Islam is a religious system begun in the seventh century by Muhammad. Muslims follow the teachings of the Qur’an and strive to keep the Five Pillars.



The History of Islam
In the seventh century, Muhammad claimed the angel Gabriel visited him. During these angelic visitations, which continued for about 23 years until Muhammad’s death, the angel purportedly revealed to Muhammad the words of Allah (the Arabic word for “God” used by Muslims). These dictated revelations compose the Qur'an, Islam’s holy book. Islam means “submission,” deriving from a root word that means “peace.” The word Muslim means “one who submits to Allah.”

The Doctrine of Islam
Muslims summarize their doctrine in six articles of faith:
1. Belief in one Allah: Muslims believe Allah is one, eternal, creator, and sovereign.
2. Belief in the angels
3. Belief in the prophets: The prophets include the biblical prophets but end with Muhammad as Allah’s final prophet.
4. Belief in the revelations of Allah: Muslims accept certain portions of the Bible, such as the Torah and the Gospels. They believe the Qur'an is the preexistent, perfect word of Allah.
5. Belief in the last day of judgment and the hereafter: Everyone will be resurrected for judgment into either paradise or hell.
6. Belief in predestination: Muslims believe Allah has decreed everything that will happen. Muslims testify to Allah’s sovereignty with their frequent phrase, inshallah, meaning, “if God wills.”

The Five Pillars of Islam
These five tenets compose the framework of obedience for Muslims:
1. The testimony of faith (shahada): “la ilaha illa allah. Muhammad rasul Allah.” This means, “There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” A person can convert to Islam by stating this creed. The shahada shows that a Muslim believes in Allah alone as deity and believes that Muhammad reveals Allah.
2. Prayer (salat): Five ritual prayers must be performed every day.
3. Giving (zakat): This almsgiving is a certain percentage given once a year.
4. Fasting (sawm): Muslims fast during Ramadan in the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. They must not eat or drink from dawn until sunset.
5. Pilgrimage (hajj): If physically and financially possible, a Muslim must make the pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia at least once. The hajj is performed in the twelfth month of the Islamic calendar.

A Muslim’s entrance into paradise hinges on obedience to these Five Pillars. Still, Allah may reject them. Even Muhammad was not sure whether Allah would admit him to paradise (Surah 46:9; Hadith 5.266).

An Evaluation of Islam
Compared to Christianity, Islam has some similarities but significant differences. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic. However, Muslims reject the Trinity—that God has revealed Himself as one in three Persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Muslims claim that Jesus was one of the most important prophets—not God’s Son. Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created like Adam. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. They do not understand why Allah would allow His prophet Isa (the Islamic word for "Jesus" to die a torturous death. Yet the Bible shows how the death of the perfect Son of God was essential to pay for the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Peter 2:24).

Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah. The Bible, however, was completed in the first century with the Book of Revelation. The Bible warns against anyone adding to or subtracting from God’s Word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:6-12; Revelation 22:18). The Qur’an, as a claimed addition to God’s Word, directly disobeys God’s command.

Muslims believe that paradise can be earned through keeping the Five Pillars. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that sinful man can never measure up to the holy God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Only by God’s grace may sinners be saved through repentant faith in Jesus (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because of these essential differences and contradictions, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. The Bible and Qur’an cannot both be God’s Word. The truth has eternal consequences.

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-4; see also John 3:35-36).

I have heard people say, oh the religion or ideology is not bad but it is the people that practice it, oh islam is ok, but just some extremist.

Jesus said a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit.

Non is superior

livingchrist:
I have heard people say, oh the religion or ideology is not bad but it is the people that practice it, oh islam is ok, but just some extremist.

Jesus said a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit.

Non is superior to each other. Your indoctrination makes you think otherwise.

Muslims can also identify things in Christianity which makes it inferior to Islam.

The reason is because every religion is man made and non can be perfect.

Instead of finding faults in other religious groups, focus on your own and practice it to the best of your ability.

If those watching while you practice ,realises that your religion has made you a better person, they may want join you to find out what has changed you.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

livingchrist:

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-4; see also John 3:35-36).

Islam is the only non-christianic religion that believes Jesus was the messiah and was sent by God but he himself is not Almighty God.

The onus is on you to tell us whether the Jesus that came in flesh was the Almighty God himself then we will know who the antichrist is..

Mind you Jesus never named any religion be it : Nazarenes, ebionites, christians, Jehova witness, or Islam

We are all on a clean slate table the claim for yours, let others table theirs let's see who the antichrist is..

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

livingchrist:
I have heard people say, oh the religion or ideology is not bad but it is the people that practice it, oh islam is ok, but just some extremist.

Jesus said a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit.

when you say corrupt what do you mean I am sure you are a trinitarians I want to ask you are Catholics and Jehova witnesses corrupt which tree did they come from...

Do you know the word messiah is hebrew language from hebrew scriptures?

According to the hebrew scriptures the messiah is God.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this
ישעה 9:7 Hebrew OT: Westminster Leningrad Codex
[לְמַרְבֵּה כ] (לְמַרְבֵּ֨ה ק) הַמִּשְׂרָ֜ה וּלְשָׁלֹ֣ום אֵֽין־קֵ֗ץ עַל־כִּסֵּ֤א דָוִד֙ וְעַל־מַמְלַכְתֹּ֔ו לְהָכִ֤ין אֹתָהּ֙ וּֽלְסַעֲדָ֔הּ בְּמִשְׁפָּ֖ט וּבִצְדָקָ֑ה מֵעַתָּה֙ וְעַד־עֹולָ֔ם קִנְאַ֛ת יְהוָ֥ה צְבָאֹ֖ות תַּעֲשֶׂה־זֹּֽאת׃

haekymbahd:
Islam is the only non-christianic religion that believes Jesus was the messiah and was sent by God but he himself is not Almighty God.

The onus is on you to tell us whether the Jesus that came in flesh was the Almighty God himself then we will know who the antichrist is..

Mind you Jesus never named any religion be it : Nazarenes, ebionites, christians, Jehova witness, or Islam

We are all on a clean slate table the claim for your, let others table their let's see who the antichrist is..

I can show you Islam in the Bible but it shocking

Nancy2020:
I can show you Islam in the Bible but it shocking

an angel talked about Islam in the Bible

livingchrist:
Do you know the word messiah is hebrew language from hebrew scriptures?

According to the hebrew scriptures the messiah is God.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this
ישעה 9:7 Hebrew OT: Westminster Leningrad Codex
[לְמַרְבֵּה כ] (לְמַרְבֵּ֨ה ק) הַמִּשְׂרָ֜ה וּלְשָׁלֹ֣ום אֵֽין־קֵ֗ץ עַל־כִּסֵּ֤א דָוִד֙ וְעַל־מַמְלַכְתֹּ֔ו לְהָכִ֤ין אֹתָהּ֙ וּֽלְסַעֲדָ֔הּ בְּמִשְׁפָּ֖ט וּבִצְדָקָ֑ה מֵעַתָּה֙ וְעַד־עֹולָ֔ם קִנְאַ֛ת יְהוָ֥ה צְבָאֹ֖ות תַּעֲשֶׂה־זֹּֽאת׃

The meaning of messiah in Hebrew in my my Google is "the annointed one" and not God as you claim

[b]Isaiah 61
1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because [b]the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,([/b][/b]

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] [a]and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,(B)


Who annointed Jesus?

haekymbahd:
The meaning of messiah in Hebrew in my my Google is "the annointed one" and not God as you claim

[b]Isaiah 61
1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because [b]the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,([/b][/b]

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] [a]and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,(B)


Who annointed Jesus?

Yes messiah means the anointed one but there is one "messiah that is special"
"This messiah" is who would bring salvation to the Jews and the rest of the world according to the jewish scriptures.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.



Every king of Israel is called the LORD'S anointed and according to Isaiah this particular anointed of God is also God.
Who anointed the messiah? It is God the father.

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livingchrist:


Yes messiah means the anointed one but there is one "messiah that is special"
"This messiah" is who would bring salvation to the Jews and the rest of the world according to the jewish scriptures.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.



Every king of Israel is called the LORD'S anointed and according to Isaiah this particular anointed of God is also God.
Who anointed the messiah? It is God the father.

Now on the issue of the word 'God' let's explore which God Jesus is...

John 10
32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?

33 The Jews replied, We are not going to stone You for a good act, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere Man, make Yourself [out to be] God.

34Jesus answered, Is it not written in your Law, I said, You are gods?(C)

35So men are called gods [by the Law], men to whom God's message came--and the Scripture cannot be set aside or cancelled or broken or annulled--

36[If that is true] do you say of the One Whom the Father consecrated and dedicated and set apart for Himself and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?


Now Jesus was talking about psalm 82 am I right about that.

Psalm 82
1 GOD STANDS in the assembly [of the representatives] of God; in the midst of the magistrates or judges He gives judgment [as] among the gods.
3 Do justice to the weak (poor) and fatherless; maintain the rights of the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy; rescue them out of the hand of the wicked.

6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A)

7But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.

8Arise, O God, judge the earth! For to You belong all the nations



Now is Jesus GOD or amongst the gods.

From the verse you quoted I saw mighty God and not Almighty God.

Is there a difference between GOD and God according to psalm 82.

Why did Jesus not call himself God but son of God.

livingchrist:


Islam is a religious system begun in the seventh century by Muhammad. Muslims follow the teachings of the Qur’an and strive to keep the Five Pillars.

Islam has two meaning. The General and the specific.

In General, all Prophets from Adam to Muhammad practiced Islam.

The specific Islam we practice today is that of Muhammad which you referred to up there!

A Muslim’s entrance into paradise hinges on obedience to these Five Pillars. Still, Allah may reject them. Even Muhammad was not sure whether Allah would admit him to paradise (Surah 46:9; Hadith 5.266).

Yeah! He does not know anything till he receives revelation!
Even your Jesus was asked of the hour and he said only his father has such knowledge which means it was not revealed to him.

An Evaluation of Islam
Compared to Christianity, Islam has some similarities but significant differences. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic. However, Muslims reject the Trinity—that God has revealed Himself as one in three Persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Christianity is not monotheistic like Islam. In Islam, one God is one and only one God. Your God still has three distinct persons!
Nothing monotheistic in this! The father can be in heaven, the son on earth while the Holy Spirit goes about!

Muslims claim that Jesus was one of the most important prophets—not God’s Son. Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created like Adam. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. They do not understand why Allah would allow His prophet Isa (the Islamic word for "Jesus" to die a torturous death. Yet the Bible shows how the death of the perfect Son of God was essential to pay for the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Peter 2:24).

The question I need answered are:
1. Why does your God have the need to have a son? (Humans needs son/daughters to carry on their genealogy, for help, company, etc)
2. Why does God have the need to send his son to be killed for others to be saved?
3. Can't God save without killing and shedding human/God Blood?
4. What do you believe in, is it that Jesus is God Yahweh himself or son of Yahweh or both?

Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah. The Bible, however, was completed in the first century with the Book of Revelation. The Bible warns against anyone adding to or subtracting from God’s Word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:6-12; Revelation 22:18). The Qur’an, as a claimed addition to God’s Word, directly disobeys God’s command.

The Bible as it exists together today was not compiled in the first century! Tell us about the Niceae Council. Tell us about the apocrypha (and how it is not an addition?! Is the Bible 73 Books or 66 Books?
Tell us about the differences between the KJV Bible and the RSV, NIV and NWT Bible. The RSV Bible unceremoniously expunged 16 verses from its pages whereas these verses are in the KJV Bible. Some of the verses expunged from the pages of NIV, NWT, RSV includes Matthew18:11,Mark7:16,Mark 9:44, John 5:4,acts 8:37, Romans16:24, etc. (adapted from the post of Bashir Lucas).

Majority of the Bible was written by unknown persons at most interjecting the words of Prophets, God, wise men and fools!

Muslims believe that paradise can be earned through keeping the Five Pillars. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that sinful man can never measure up to the holy God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Only by God’s grace may sinners be saved through repentant faith in Jesus (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).

Entering Paradise is by the grace and mercy of Allah even after works. You said it up there. Why turn back here again? And God had been saving before the coming of Jesus, why does He need change his method of salvation? People need only believe in God (as in the first commandment) before Jesus came. Why replace "believe in God" with "faith in Jesus"?

Because of these essential differences and contradictions, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. The Bible and Qur’an cannot both be God’s Word. The truth has eternal consequences.

The scripture given to Moses, David, Abraham,...., Jesus and Muhammad are all true. However, only the scripture of Muhammad remain committed to memory through the ages!
No one ever learnt the whole Bible by heart in its original language!

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-4; see also John 3:35-36).

Jesus Christ is a man approved by God just like Moses, Abraham, Noah and others that came before him. He ate and slept like them. In fact, he was protected from evil at birth. He did many miracles not by his own power but by God's. He said he can of his own do nothing! He was born by a woman, suckled and circumcised.

He is not God and God need no son or partner!

Yes judges in israel are sometimes called gods because stand as God's representative but take note such is only figurative for example calling a man lion does not really mean he is a lion, but for "The messiah" what he was called was not figurative.
But in Israel there is only one who is called "the mighty God" and that is yahweh but the messiah in Isaiah is called the mighty God.

Isaiah 10:21
The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.



Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

haekymbahd:
Now on the issue of the word 'God' let's explore which God Jesus is...
John 10
32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?

33 The Jews replied, We are not going to stone You for a good act, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere Man, make Yourself [out to be] God.

34Jesus answered, Is it not written in your Law, I said, You are gods?(C)

35So men are called gods [by the Law], men to whom God's message came--and the Scripture cannot be set aside or cancelled or broken or annulled--

36[If that is true] do you say of the One Whom the Father consecrated and dedicated and set apart for Himself and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?


Now Jesus was talking about psalm 82 am I right about that.

Psalm 82
1 GOD STANDS in the assembly [of the representatives] of God; in the midst of the magistrates or judges He gives judgment [as] among the gods.
3 Do justice to the weak (poor) and fatherless; maintain the rights of the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy; rescue them out of the hand of the wicked.

6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A)

7But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.

8Arise, O God, judge the earth! For to You belong all the nations



Now is Jesus GOD or amongst the gods.

From the verse you quoted I saw mighty God and not Almighty God.

Is there a difference between GOD and God according to psalm 82.

Why did Jesus not call himself God but son of God.

livingchrist:
Yes judges in israel are sometimes called gods because stand as God's representative but take note such is only figurative for example calling a man lion does not really mean he is a lion, but for "The messiah" what he was called was not figurative.
But in Israel there is only one who is called "the mighty God" and that is yahweh but the messiah in Isaiah is called the mighty God.

Isaiah 10:21
The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.



Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Exodus 6
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)


Now it is clear that God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty.


You compared Isaiah 10:21 to Isaiah 9:6 that is why we Muslims will rather read our Quran in Arabic as it was revealed rather than translated version.


In my Bible I saw I don't know your version
Isaiah 10
21 A remnant will return [Shear-jashub, name of Isaiah's son], a remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6
6For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace.(C)

In Isaiah 20: 21 we have the definite article The (The Mighty God)

In Isaiah 9:6 we don't have the definite article "the". (Mighty God).

So read the Bible in its original language which it was written I am sure you will understand me better.

Allah means The God

Illah- means god


Hope you see the difference.

Infact while on earth Jesus was not called Father or God.

Mathew 23
9 And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven

haekymbahd:

Exodus 6
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)


Now it is clear that God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty.


You compared Isaiah 10:21 to Isaiah 9:6 that is why we Muslims will rather read our Quran in Arabic as it was revealed rather than translated version.


In my Bible I saw I don't know your version
Isaiah 10
21 A remnant will return [Shear-jashub, name of Isaiah's son], a remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6
6For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace.(C)

In Isaiah 20: 21 we have the definite article The (The Mighty God)

In Isaiah 9:6 we don't have the definite article "the". (Mighty God).

So read the Bible in its original language which it was written I am sure you will understand me better.

Allah means The God

Illah- means god


Hope you see the difference.

Infact while on earth Jesus was not called Father or God.

Mathew 23
9 And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven

have you read the original translation? It's obvious you have not you would know that
in both Isaiah 9vv6 and isaiah 10vv21 there is not definite article.
Bible translations added "The" to it for grammatical correction in english.

In Israel there is only one that bear the title "mighty God"and that is yahweh.

Yahweh was called both "Almighty" and "the mighty God" it all depends on how he is revealed.

Jesus is the father of the new human race just as Adam was the father of the old human race.
Jesus didnt come to call himself God he infact his this identity from men.

livingchrist:
have you read the original translation? It's obvious you have not you would know that
in both Isaiah 9vv6 and isaiah 10vv21 there is not definite article.
Bible translations added "The" to it for grammatical correction in english.

In Israel there is only one that bear the title "mighty God"and that is yahweh.

Yahweh was called both "Almighty" and "the mighty God" it all depends on how he is revealed.

Jesus is the father of the new human race just as Adam was the father of the old human race.
Jesus didnt come to call himself God he infact his this identity from men.

Allah had said this already by comparing Adam to Jesus

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, Be, and he was."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 59)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

According to Bible Adam is son of God same as Jesus even you compared them.

Was Adam equal to Yahwe or was Adam God


Did you read this at all

Mathew 23
9 And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven

.

haekymbahd:


Allah had said this already by comparing Adam to Jesus

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, Be, and he was."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 59)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

According to Bible Adam is son of God same as Jesus even you compared them.

Was Adam equal to Yahwe or was Adam God


Did you read this at all

Mathew 23
9 And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven

.

For the koran to call Jesus the messiah it means the koran got it from a superior source which is the bible,

Sorry, the koran is not from yahweh, the messiah is from yahweh and Allah is not not yahweh, so koran is not from yahweh and therefore not recognised.

livingchrist:
For the koran to call Jesus the messiah it means the koran got it from a superior source which is the bible,

Sorry, the koran is from yahweh, the messiah is from yahweh and Allah is not not yahweh, so the bible and koran is not from yahweh and therefore not recognised.

Let's move to the issue of name..

Islam, Christianity and Judaism and we all take Abraham has our father right.

Yahwe said

Exodus 6
2And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)


Abraham didn't know God as Yahwe right he knew God as God Almighty in Arabic (Almighty Allah)

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Abraham and previous prophets and messengers before Moses didn't know God as Yahwe except Moses even Jesus called God (Father and Eli)


Why did GOD respond to Abraham when he called him Almighty Allah



How many GOD or ALLAH do we have is it not one because even the Arabic bible has God written as Allah

.Allah does not need to prove he is Yahwe rather Yahwe should prove he is Allah because Allah predates Yahwe.


Jesus is neither Yahwe nor Allah.

Nope the onus is on you to prove allah is same as the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham.
If allah means God then it becomes ambiguous because there are many gods so there are many allah so prove that the islamic allah is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham, I m wating

haekymbahd:
Let's move to the issue of name..

Islam, Christianity and Judaism and we all take Abraham has our father right.

Yahwe said

Exodus 6
2And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)


Abraham didn't know God as Yahwe right he knew God as God Almighty in Arabic (Almighty Allah)

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Abraham and previous prophets and messengers before Moses didn't know God as Yahwe except Moses even Jesus called God (Father and Eli)


Why did GOD respond to Abraham when he called him Almighty Allah



How many GOD or ALLAH do we have is it not one because even the Arabic bible has God written as Allah

.Allah does not need to prove he is Yahwe rather Yahwe should prove he is Allah because Allah predates Yahwe.


Jesus is neither Yahwe nor Allah.

On the other hand it is the Hebrew bible is far older than the koran and contains the history of Israel who is a direct descendant of isaac son of Abraham, that verse proves that Yaweh is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham.

livingchrist:
Nope the onus is on you to prove allah is same as the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham.
If allah means God then it becomes ambiguous because there are many gods so there are many allah so prove that the islamic allah is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham, I m wating

That is an error from you rather say there are so many illah but only one Allah.

Or simply say there so many gods but only one GOD

If you say there are so many Allah then why did God appear to Abraham as Almighty Allah when he knew there are other Allah...

Allah is a title and not a name of any god. Only the creator the God of Abraham revealed himself as God Almighty.


Allah SWT said:

"O Moses, indeed it is I - Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 9)

"And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 74)

"And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 75)

"There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone except for the saying of Abraham to his father, I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah. Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 4)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Allah actually mean The God while illah mean god.
There are many gods but one God, it simply means there is only one true God
Can you prove it was Allah of islam that appeared to Abraham? You are yet to prove it was allah?

haekymbahd:
That is an error from you rather say there are so many illah but only one Allah.

Or simply say there so many gods but only one GOD

If you say there are so many Allah then why did God appear to Abraham as Almighty Allah when he knew there are other Allah...

Allah is a title and not a name of any god. Only the creator the God of Abraham revealed himself as God Almighty.


Allah SWT said:

"O Moses, indeed it is I - Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 9)

"And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 74)

"And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 75)

"There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone except for the saying of Abraham to his father, I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah. Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 4)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Allah means The God a title for one of the islamic gods, not Almighty God.
On the other hand the verse of the scripture you quoted clearly told you yaweh is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham if you dispute this, then you have no other means to prove Almighty God appeared to Abraham, as koran is not to be credible source.

livingchrist:
Allah actually mean The God while illah mean god.
There are many gods but one God, it simply means there is only one true God
Can you prove it was Allah of islam that appeared to Abraham? You are yet to prove it was allah?

Allah means The God a title for one of the islamic gods, not Almighty God.
On the other hand the verse of the scripture you quoted clearly told you yaweh is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham if you dispute this, then you have no other means to prove Almighty God appeared to Abraham, as koran is not to be credible source.

What name did Jesus call God?

Realize this before Moses nobody called God the name Yahwe. After Moses did Jesus or Muhammad called God Yahwe. Why was Yahwe responding to Allah when called.




Prove that the name of the God of Jesus was Yahwe using Jesus word alone what name did Jesus call his God?


John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.


Allah SWT said:

Jesus said "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 51)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Mark 15
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?--which means, My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me [[i]deserting Me and leaving Me helpless and abandoned]?(I)

Mathew 22
31 But as to the resurrection of the dead--have you never read what was said to you by God,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living!

GOD means Allah.. even Jesus called God Allah. Why didn't he say have you not read what was told to you by Yahwe since there are so many God.


Show where Jesus called God Yahwe I forgot Jesus is Yahwe to you



You said Allah is a title for an Islamic gods you don't know what you are saying. Why is Allah in Arabic bible. Why are Arab christians and Jews calling God Allah.

The onus is on you to tell us a god that has its name as Allah.




Why did Jesus call God Allah?

livingchrist:
Allah actually mean The God while illah mean god.
There are many gods but one God, it simply means there is only one true God
Can you prove it was Allah of islam that appeared to Abraham? You are yet to prove it was allah?

only the creator bears Allah or God no other god bears it as a name get that...


No god in Arab bears Allah has a name except the creator.

Because to other gods illah is just a title. But the creator will respond if you sincerely call him 'ALLAH' that was why he appeared to Abraham as God Almighty he knew no other god will respond to the name.

livingchrist:

Allah means The God a title for one of the islamic gods, not Almighty God.
On the other hand the verse of the scripture you quoted clearly told you yaweh is the Almighty God that appeared to Abraham if you dispute this, then you have no other means to prove Almighty God appeared to Abraham, as koran is not to be credible source.

Prove that the Yahwe that appeared to Moses is the God Almighty that appeared to Abraham.

Mind you Abraham was also formerly an idol worshiper whose title is god. Are you insinuating one of the gods of the Hebrews appeared to Abraham and not the creator.

Prove that it wasn't one of the idols in Abraham's family line that came to him as God.




Moreover don't deviate is Jesus the GOD ALMIGHTY that appeared to Abraham or is Jesus Yahwe that appeared to Moses...


Allah claims he appeared to Moses and Abraham Jesus didn't make such claims so why is Jesus the Almighty God.




Yahwe means "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE" was that actually a name and what does it mean. Now ask yourself did God truly gave Moses a particular name.


Allah SWT said:

"He is Allah, the Creator, the Inventor, the Fashioner; to Him belong the best names. Whatever is in the heavens and earth is exalting Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(QS. Al-Hashr 59: Verse 24)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Jesus never called God allah,


Allah is a Big Fraud!

"Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, AL + ILAH = Allah. "ILAH" in Arabic is "God" and "AL" in Arabic is a definite article like our word "the." So from an English equivalent, "Allah" comes from "The + God." Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic." (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85). It is abundantly clear that Muhammad DIDN'T introduce Allah to the world:

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25).

"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities... Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138).

"Islam also owes the term "Allah" to the heathen Arabs. We have evidence that it entered into numerous personal names in Northern Arabia and among the Nabatians. It occurred among the Arabs of later times, in theophorous names and on its own." (Why I Am Not A Muslim, Ibn Warraq, 1995, p. 42).

"Arabia in Muhammad’s time was polytheistic in its conception of the cosmos and tribal in its social structure. Each tribe had its own god(s) and goddess(es), which were manifest in the forms of idols, stones, trees, or stars in the sky." (Islamic Studies, A History of Religions Approach, Richard C. Martin, 2nd Ed., p 96).

"Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." (A Short History of Philosophy, Robert C. Solomon, p. 130).

"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138).
"Allah" is NOT the true and living God of the Bible. The Godhead was manifest in the man, Christ Jesus--God in the flesh (John 1:1-3,14; Colossians 2:9; 1st Timothy 3:16). Islam is repackaged polytheism. Islam is paganism wrapped in monotheistic dogma.


Islam Originates in Pagan Moon Worship





The symbol to the left is used extensively throughout the Islamic world. Just as Catholicism's origins can be traced back to the pagan Babylon religion, so can Islam be traced back to the pagan moon worship of the Assyrians and Babylonians. Who can deny the paramount influence of the moon in a Muslim’s life? In Islam, the moon is considered the holiest astronomical object, and the moon is the guiding light of ALL Islamic rituals and festivals. Crescent moons and stars are the symbolic sign in the national flags of many Muslim countries, and it is present over the Mosques, in the Muslim graveyard, etc. Muslims do NOT, and never did, follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They worship a pagan false god.

"Although the moon has not had great prominence in the history of religion, the worship of it has been known since earliest recorded time—in the oldest literatures of Egypt, Babylonia, India, and China—and still exists today in various parts of the world, particularly among certain African and Native American groups. Moon worship is founded on the belief that the phases of the moon and the growth and decline of plant, animal, and human life are related. In some societies food was laid out at night to absorb the rays of the moon, which were thought to have power to cure disease and prolong life. Among the Baganda of central Africa it was customary for a mother to bathe her newborn child by the light of the first full moon. The moon was frequently equated with wisdom and justice, as in the worship of the Egyptian god Thoth and the Mesopotamian god Sin. In general, however, the moon has been the basis for many amorous legends and some superstitions (madmen were once considered to be moonstruck, hence the term lunatic) and is particularly important in the practice of astrology.

Many ancient peoples regarded the Moon as the chief of the two luminaries. “The sun was of smaller importance than the moon in the eyes of the Babylonian astrologers.”

The Assyrians and the Chaldeans referred to the time of the Moon-god as the oldest period in the memory of the people: before other planetary gods came to dominate the world ages, the Moon was the supreme deity. Such references are found in the inscriptions of Sargon II (ca. -720)(2) and Nabonidus (ca. -550).(3) The Babylonian Sin—the Moon—was a very ancient deity: Mount Sinai owes its name to Sin.

Assyrian art reflects this moon influence far more strikingly than that of Panammu I.The figure of himself which he caused to be carved in relief on the left side of the palace-inscription is in the Assyrian style , and so too is another of his reliefs from Zenjirli. On the latter Bar-rekub is represented seated upon his throne with eunuch and scribe in attendance, while in the field is the emblem of full moon and crescent, here ascribed to "Ba`al of Harran", the famous centre of moon-worship in Northern Mesopotamia." -SOURCE

The Word of God forbids any type of moon worship...

"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven." -Deuteronomy 4:19


The following is from The Islamic Invasion, by Dr. Robert Morey, Harvest House Publishers, 1992, pp 211-218...

ALLAH -THE MOON GOD

The Archeology of The Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during preIslamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

Archeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjøberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wal murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god. In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

haekymbahd:
What name did Jesus call God?

Realize this before Moses nobody called God the name Yahwe. After Moses did Jesus or Muhammad called God Yahwe. Why was Yahwe responding to Allah when called.




Prove that the name of the God of Jesus was Yahwe using Jesus word alone what name did Jesus call his God?


John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.


Allah SWT said:

Jesus said "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 51)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Mark 15
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?--which means, My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me [[i]deserting Me and leaving Me helpless and abandoned]?(I)

Mathew 22
31 But as to the resurrection of the dead--have you never read what was said to you by God,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living!

GOD means Allah.. even Jesus called God Allah. Why didn't he say have you not read what was told to you by Yahwe since there are so many God.


Show where Jesus called God Yahwe I forgot Jesus is Yahwe to you



You said Allah is a title for an Islamic gods you don't know what you are saying. Why is Allah in Arabic bible. Why are Arab christians and Jews calling God Allah.

The onus is on you to tell us a god that has its name as Allah.




Why did Jesus call God Allah?

Islam could be summarized in one sentence:

"The belief in one God" or "ONENESS of God"

So according to the Bible a Muslim could be referred to as a believer since he/she believes in the oneness of God!

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29-31

Just like many other religions Islam teaches the bolded in red (regarding their own God) but as for the green that is where all religions on this planet will fail except those closely following the footsteps of the one and only begotten Son of God "Christ Jesus"

livingchrist:
For the koran to call Jesus the messiah it means the koran got it from a superior source which is the bible,

Lies! Qur'an is a revelation as Muhammad was unlettered! And the Bible as it is today was not compiled then!

Sorry, the koran is not from yahweh, the messiah is from yahweh and Allah is not not yahweh, so the bible and koran is not from yahweh and therefore not recognised.

If this statement is true then your Bible translators who used Allah in the Arabic Bible are liars! Otherwise, you are the liar!

AntiChristian:
Islam has two meaning. The General and the specific.

In General, all Prophets from Adam to Muhammad practiced Islam.

The specific Islam we practice today is that of Muhammad which you referred to up there!

So there are two different type of Islam? The general or the specific which is the true islam?

Yeah! He does not know anything till he receives revelation!
Even your Jesus was asked of the hour and he said only his father has such knowledge which means it was not revealed to him.

Jesus was both man and God and so could act as man and God at will. As a ma. He is limited and obviously that is why he said he does not know the time of his coming.

Christianity is not monotheistic like Islam. In Islam, one God is one and only one God. Your God still has three distinct persons!
Nothing monotheistic in this! The father can be in heaven, the son on earth while the Holy Spirit goes about!

distinct persons not different Gods, you can see, you can walk and you can sit does that mean you are many beings?
God the father, son and holy spirit are different individuals of the one same God.

The question I need answered are:
1. Why does your God have the need to have a son? (Humans needs son/daughters to carry on their genealogy, for help, company, etc)
2. Why does God have the need to send his son to be killed for others to be saved?
3. Can't God save without killing and shedding human/God Blood?
4. What do you believe in, is it that Jesus is God Yahweh himself or son of Yahweh or both?

1. God does not need to have a son rather it is his good pleasure to have sons.
God is love, the way through which one canfully experience his love is through a father-son relationship.
There are many types of relationship
Master-servant relationship
Husband-wife relationship
Brother/sister-brother/sister relationship
Father/mother-son/daughter relationship
Owner- slave relationship.

It is only the father-son relationship that fully unveil God's love, care, faithfulness etc.

2. It is God's love that was at play when he sent his son to die on humans behalf.

3. No, because the price of sin "must be paid" God being a true God will never brake his own law.

4. Both, we believe Jesus is God as to his nature and son of God as to his relationship with the father.

The Bible as it exists together today was not compiled in the first century! Tell us about the Niceae Council. Tell us about the apocrypha (and how it is not an addition?! Is the Bible 73 Books or 66 Books?
Tell us about the differences between the KJV Bible and the RSV, NIV and NWT Bible. The RSV Bible unceremoniously expunged 16 verses from its pages whereas these verses are in the KJV Bible. Some of the verses expunged from the pages of NIV, NWT, RSV includes Matthew18:11,Mark7:16,Mark 9:44, John 5:4,acts 8:37, Romans16:24, etc. (adapted from the post of Bashir Lucas).

The bible itself is a collection of books, these books were written by notable persons of the jewish nation and the christian church, there many books from dubious sources that were not known to the christian church so it was necessary to put all the books that were recognise by the christian church together and these formed the 66 books of the bible.

Those translation did not expunge those verse of the scriptures usually put it as foot notes because they could not find it in the particular manuscript they translated from.

Majority of the Bible was written by unknown persons at most interjecting the words of Prophets, God, wise men and fools!

you are speaking from ignorance, there were only two books of the scriptures whose authors were not sure of and that was hebrews and revelations but bible harmony and the Christian church all recognise this books as part of the scriptures.

[/quote]Entering Paradise is by the grace and mercy of Allah even after works. You said it up there. Why turn back here again? And God had been saving before the coming of Jesus, why does He need change his method of salvation? People need only believe in God (as in the first commandment) before Jesus came. Why replace "believe in God" with "faith in Jesus"?[/quote] if you have to do works to enter paradise then it is no longer grace but works.
He did not change his method of saving people, it has always being faith in God without trusting their works. Abraham for example didnt do works to enter paradise.
Jesus is the price for the sins of those who trust in God and not their works.
Faith in Jesus is preached rather just faith in God because Jesus is God revealed unlike in the past where they knew just a little of God but Jesus is the final and complete revelation of God.

The scripture given to Moses, David, Abraham,...., Jesus and Muhammad are all true. However, only the scripture of Muhammad remain committed to memory through the ages!
No one ever learnt the whole Bible by heart in its original language!

scripture were not given to moses, david or Abraham.
Rather moses and david wrote scripture through the inspiration of yahweh, Abraham on the other hand never wrote any scripture.
Everything about abraham was written by Moses.
As for mohammed, mohammed came several years after Christianity to promote the leading idol of his tribe.

No one has ever learnt the bible by heart, so you know everyone to make this claim?

Koran is memorized because it is a tool for brain washing.

Jesus Christ is a man approved by God just like Moses, Abraham, Noah and others that came before him. He ate and slept like them. In fact, he was protected from evil at birth. He did many miracles not by his own power but by God's. He said he can of his own do nothing! He was born by a woman, suckled and circumcised.

He is not God and God need no son or partner!

Jesus is the Son of God as well as he is God. He is the only saviour without him you are doomed, even mohammed was not sure of where he is heading to, that is to tell you Islam is a dead end.
Jesus is saviour!

AntiChristian:


Lies! Qur'an is a revelation as Muhammad was unlettered! And the Bible as it is today was not compiled then!



If this statement is true then your Bible translators who used Allah in the Arabic Bible are liars! Otherwise, you are the liar!

Mohammed didnt but he had companions who wrote koran.

Arabic bible is not my translation they chose to interpret God as Allah instead of elohim obviously so as not to offend muslims.

livingchrist:
Jesus never called God allah,


Allah is a Big Fraud!

"Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, AL + ILAH = Allah. "ILAH" in Arabic is "God" and "AL" in Arabic is a definite article like our word "the." So from an English equivalent, "Allah" comes from "The + God." Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic." (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85). It is abundantly clear that Muhammad DIDN'T introduce Allah to the world:

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25).

"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities... Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138).

"Islam also owes the term "Allah" to the heathen Arabs. We have evidence that it entered into numerous personal names in Northern Arabia and among the Nabatians. It occurred among the Arabs of later times, in theophorous names and on its own." (Why I Am Not A Muslim, Ibn Warraq, 1995, p. 42).

"Arabia in Muhammad’s time was polytheistic in its conception of the cosmos and tribal in its social structure. Each tribe had its own god(s) and goddess(es), which were manifest in the forms of idols, stones, trees, or stars in the sky." (Islamic Studies, A History of Religions Approach, Richard C. Martin, 2nd Ed., p 96).

"Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." (A Short History of Philosophy, Robert C. Solomon, p. 130).

"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138).
"Allah" is NOT the true and living God of the Bible. The Godhead was manifest in the man, Christ Jesus--God in the flesh (John 1:1-3,14; Colossians 2:9; 1st Timothy 3:16). Islam is repackaged polytheism. Islam is paganism wrapped in monotheistic dogma.


Islam Originates in Pagan Moon Worship





The symbol to the left is used extensively throughout the Islamic world. Just as Catholicism's origins can be traced back to the pagan Babylon religion, so can Islam be traced back to the pagan moon worship of the Assyrians and Babylonians. Who can deny the paramount influence of the moon in a Muslim’s life? In Islam, the moon is considered the holiest astronomical object, and the moon is the guiding light of ALL Islamic rituals and festivals. Crescent moons and stars are the symbolic sign in the national flags of many Muslim countries, and it is present over the Mosques, in the Muslim graveyard, etc. Muslims do NOT, and never did, follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They worship a pagan false god.

"Although the moon has not had great prominence in the history of religion, the worship of it has been known since earliest recorded time—in the oldest literatures of Egypt, Babylonia, India, and China—and still exists today in various parts of the world, particularly among certain African and Native American groups. Moon worship is founded on the belief that the phases of the moon and the growth and decline of plant, animal, and human life are related. In some societies food was laid out at night to absorb the rays of the moon, which were thought to have power to cure disease and prolong life. Among the Baganda of central Africa it was customary for a mother to bathe her newborn child by the light of the first full moon. The moon was frequently equated with wisdom and justice, as in the worship of the Egyptian god Thoth and the Mesopotamian god Sin. In general, however, the moon has been the basis for many amorous legends and some superstitions (madmen were once considered to be moonstruck, hence the term lunatic) and is particularly important in the practice of astrology.

Many ancient peoples regarded the Moon as the chief of the two luminaries. “The sun was of smaller importance than the moon in the eyes of the Babylonian astrologers.”

The Assyrians and the Chaldeans referred to the time of the Moon-god as the oldest period in the memory of the people: before other planetary gods came to dominate the world ages, the Moon was the supreme deity. Such references are found in the inscriptions of Sargon II (ca. -720)(2) and Nabonidus (ca. -550).(3) The Babylonian Sin—the Moon—was a very ancient deity: Mount Sinai owes its name to Sin.

Assyrian art reflects this moon influence far more strikingly than that of Panammu I.The figure of himself which he caused to be carved in relief on the left side of the palace-inscription is in the Assyrian style , and so too is another of his reliefs from Zenjirli. On the latter Bar-rekub is represented seated upon his throne with eunuch and scribe in attendance, while in the field is the emblem of full moon and crescent, here ascribed to "Ba`al of Harran", the famous centre of moon-worship in Northern Mesopotamia." -SOURCE

The Word of God forbids any type of moon worship...

"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven." -Deuteronomy 4:19


The following is from The Islamic Invasion, by Dr. Robert Morey, Harvest House Publishers, 1992, pp 211-218...

ALLAH -THE MOON GOD

The Archeology of The Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during preIslamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

Archeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjøberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wal murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god. In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

You copy lies without research! Jesus never taught you to lie na! This lies too much!

In the first paragraph you claim Allah was derived from "Al" and "illah" Then you later claim it was borrowed in to the language.
This is contradictory!

You claim Allah was the chief idol out of the 360 idols of Mecca. Was Allah ever worshiped as an idol? Another lie!

You claim Muslims worship moon as Allah is the moon God.

Allah says in Qur'an 21: 33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course" (Qur'an 21:33).

In Qur'an 25:61, Allah blesses Himself saying: Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars, and has placed therein a great lamp (sun), and a moon giving light.

I will have to warn you to desist from telling lies and spreading falsehood for Christ. It will do you more harm than good!

AntiChristian:


You copy lies without research! Jesus never taught you to lie na! This lies too much!

Read again, it is popular opinion that said Allah was derived from Al and illah,but evidence revels it is the name of a moon god fact does not care about your feelings. Go and research it yourself

livingchrist:
fact does not care about your feelings. Go and research it yourself

Muslims have thrashed these lies years ago!