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Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by edicolove: 12:48pm On May 20, 2011
This thread is so enlightening on dual citizenships. The constitution seem to contradicts itself.

May I ask: Is it possible for a governor of a Nigerian state to owe allegiance to two countries? I have not read in any of the posts here that Ajimobi renounced his US citizenship before contesting for the election.

The whole issue is puzzling, let's see how their lawyers crack this

The hard truth is, if the tribunal wants to really follow the law, Ajimobi will be disqualified. The whole goal of the constitution here is to prevent conflict of interest and protect the country. That is why the constitution allows dual citizenship for normal people but frowns at it for "high" political office holders. That is the whole point. That is why you have to renounce the dual citizenship before you contest.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by edicolove: 12:51pm On May 20, 2011
It would actually be wrong to have a state governor who is a citizen of another country. The law should even apply to Senators and Reps. If our leaders cannot be proud citizens of this country, then we do have a huge problem. How can they really change Nigeria if they are not proud of Nigeria?
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by beknown(m): 1:02pm On May 20, 2011
I think many Nigerians are taking this dual nationality issue too far.

The people of Oyo State do not want Akala. Not even the court can impose Akala upon the people of Oyo state.

Akala should accept his fate and remove himself from Oyo politics. The people have spoken.

Ajumobi is a natural-born Nigerian and a naturalised American.

Ajumobi did not renounce his Nigerian citizenship at any time.

Therefore, Ajumobi is the governor-elect.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by edicolove: 1:05pm On May 20, 2011
I think many Nigerians are taking this dual nationality issue too far.

The people of Oyo State do not want Akala. Not even the court can impose Akala upon the people of Oyo state.

Akala should accept his fate and remove himself from Oyo politics. The people have spoken.

Ajumobi is a natural-born Nigerian and a naturalised American.

Ajumobi did not renounce his Nigerian citizenship at any time.


Therefore, Ajumobi is the governor-elect.

He is supposed to renounce the American citizenship
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by beknown(m): 1:12pm On May 20, 2011
edicolove:

He is supposed to renounce the American citizenship

Where is the reference in the constitution?
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by emmatok(m): 1:12pm On May 20, 2011
edicolove:

He is supposed to renounce the American citizenship

DID Bukola Saraki renounce his citizenship?

Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by edicolove: 1:20pm On May 20, 2011
Section 182 from which the suit is being filed under says:

82. (1) No person shall be qualified for election to the office of Governor of a State if -
(a) subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, he has voluntarily acquired the citizenship of a country other than Nigeria or, except in such cases as may be prescribed by the National Assembly, he has made a declaration of allegiance to such other country;

28. (1) Subject to the other provisions of this section, a person shall
forfeit forthwith his Nigerian citizenship if, not being a citizen of
Nigeria by birth, he acquires or retains the citizenship or nationality of a
country, other than Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth.
(2) Any registration of a person as a citizen of Nigeria or the grant of a
certificate of naturalisation to a person who is a citizen of a country
other than Nigeria at the time of such registration or grant shall, if he
is not a citizen by birth of that other country, be conditional upon
effective renunciation of the citizenship or nationality of that other
country within a period of not more than five months from the date of such
registration or grant.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by edicolove: 1:22pm On May 20, 2011
Maybe Bukola could have been nailed by the same rule. Maybe his opponents never knew they could use it. It just might have nailed him.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by emmatok(m): 1:25pm On May 20, 2011
@edicolove

Why didn't Bukola Saraki renounce his citizenship after 2 terms in office?

This is another PDP game.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by emmatok(m): 1:27pm On May 20, 2011
edicolove:

Maybe Bukola could have been nailed by the same rule. Maybe his opponents never knew they could use it. It just might have nailed him.

The Speaker, Dimeji Bankole is a UK citizen, Bukola Saraki (whose passport is enclosed) and James Ibori are also UK citizens, Senate President David Mark is a Belizean.

So what are you talking about.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by beeman80: 1:36pm On May 20, 2011
American? How? his name is Ajimobi and hes a son of the soil. grin grin grin
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by Nobody: 1:54pm On May 20, 2011
This whole dual citizenship thingy is making me regret not paying attention to 'citizenship' lecture in 200L. Lol.
God bless prof Ebere Osieke my constitutional law lecturer of blessed memory.
I just love d legal profession. Like they say, the law is an ass. U can prove d word 'or' is conjunctive not disjunctive if u search d law reports long enough, u may even come across a supreme court decision.
Goodluck to ajimobi!
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by dibiapeterchukwukayahoo(m): 1:54pm On May 20, 2011
Funny! Dis is a simple case goin by our constitution. Ajumobi did not win election, AC N did! So if he is disqualified which is bound to be, his deputy will step in as de governor elect, So dat punk AKALA should walk down de street and hug wet and life transformer.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by JimmyBoy1: 2:09pm On May 20, 2011
Based on my elementary knowledge law , I think Ajimobi need not loose sleep here, but let us even assume there is an issue here, the Governor sit does not automatically revert to PDP in this instance.

People voted for ACN and the the actual Vote  is not in question, so the worst that could happen is that another ACN member will still take over  by another  "doctrine of necessity".

We already have the precedence  in the case that brought Rotimi Ameachi of Rivers state  to power, he did not contest for the governorship election at all as the court disqualified the  person that won the election . Rather, the court ruled  that Rotimi Ameachi  should take over the Governeor's sit since he won the original PDP primary election and people voted for PDP anyway.

However, I repeat that Ajimobi has no case to answer since the section that brings this controversy is subject to another section 28 which does not Ajimobi at all.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by Koolking(m): 2:10pm On May 20, 2011
If there is nothing wrong in dual citizenship for a Nigerian public holder and the person is bi-allegiance, then there is every need for them to continue to act above the constitution since the said constitution can not bite. Until the constitution is seen as sacrosanct, our leaders would continue to rape us. And where lies the supremacy of the constitution
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by born2boink(m): 2:24pm On May 20, 2011
grin grin grin I dey laugh
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by Xfactoria: 2:28pm On May 20, 2011
dibiapeterchukwuka@yahoo.:

Funny! Dis is a simple case goin by our constitution. Ajumobi did not win election, AC N did! So if he is disqualified which is bound to be, his deputy will step in as de governor elect, So dat punk AKALA should walk down de street and hug wet and life transformer.

Is that how far your knowledge of the constitution and the electoral act can take you? So if a party fields an unqualified candidate he would still retain its victory abi??  Is that what the electoral act told you? You must be in dreamland.

Make no mistake, If Ajimobi and ACN loses this case, Akala would unfortunately be sworn in for second term.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by Xfactoria: 2:30pm On May 20, 2011
emmatok:

@edicolove

Why didn't Bukola Saraki renounce his citizenship after 2 terms in office?

This is another PDP game.

Because his opponents didn't explore that loophole. And the fact that he got away with it does not make it lawful!
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by Xfactoria: 2:40pm On May 20, 2011
Jimmy Boy:

Based on my elementary knowledge law , I think Ajimobi need not loose sleep here, but let us even assume there is an issue here, the Governor sit does not automatically revert to PDP in this instance.

People voted for ACN and the the actual Vote  is not in question, so the worst that could happen is that another ACN member will still take over  by another  "doctrine of necessity".

We already have the precedence  in the case that brought Rotimi Ameachi of Rivers state  to power, he did not contest for the governorship election at all as the court disqualified the  person that won the election . Rather, the court ruled  that Rotimi Ameachi  should take over the Governeor's sit since he won the original PDP primary election and people voted for PDP anyway.

However, I repeat that Ajimobi has no case to answer since the section that brings this controversy is subject to another section 28 which does not Ajimobi at all.   

Thank God you said you relied on your elementary knowledge. The Amaechi case is quite different from this. Amaechi won the primaries of the PDP but his name was substituted by his party's top hierarchy. The party could have gotten away with that if they had enough evidence to proof that the primaries were marred with irregularities. But unfortunately for PDP, INEC was present at the primaries and it adjudged it free and fair. So the court held that Amaechi was the authentic candidate.

Now, this case of Ajimobi bothers on his eligibility i.e. whether it was lawful for him to contest the election in the first place and whether it was right for the ACN to field an ineligible candidate or not.

If the court rules that Ajimobi was ineligible and should not have contested the election, both Ajimobi and ACN which is an accomplice in this crime are all losers and the penalty among other things is forfeiture of victory by both Ajimobi and ACN.

So you guys better get the difference clear.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by duno: 2:45pm On May 20, 2011
Posted by: edicolove
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Section 182 from which the suit is being filed under says:

82. (1) No person shall be qualified for election to the office of Governor of a State if -
(a) subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, he has voluntarily acquired the citizenship of a country other than Nigeria or, except in such cases as may be prescribed by the National Assembly, he has made a declaration of allegiance to such other country;

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28. (1) Subject to the other provisions of this section, a person shall
forfeit forthwith his Nigerian citizenship[b] if, not being a citizen of
Nigeria by birth,[/b] he acquires or retains the citizenship or nationality of a
country, other than Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth.
(2) Any registration of a person as a citizen of Nigeria or the grant of a
certificate of naturalisation to a person who is a citizen of a country
other than Nigeria at the time of such registration or grant shall, if he
is not a citizen by birth of that other country, be conditional upon
effective renunciation of the citizenship or nationality of that other
country within a period of not more than five months from the date of such
registration or grant.

I think the bolded is clear - he will be disqualified if he is not a  citizen of Nigeria by birth (which he is - i hope) and has acquired/ retained the citizenship or nationality of another country.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by dinggle: 2:45pm On May 20, 2011
Kai! Our constitution is just like our infrastructure and economy. Each section contradicts the other. This country needs to be completely scrapped and rebuilt from ground up.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by satani22: 2:53pm On May 20, 2011
X-factoria:

Is that how far your knowledge of the constitution and the electoral act can take you? So if a party fields an unqualified candidate he would still retain its victory abi??  Is that what the electoral act told you? You must be in dreamland.

Make no mistake, If Ajimobi and ACN loses this case, Akala would unfortunately be sworn in for second term.



No celestine omehia was nt the qualified candidate for PDP in the 2007 election. The court did nt cricified PDP for fielding a wrong candidate but thrwe away the affected candidate
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by JimmyBoy1: 3:01pm On May 20, 2011
X-factoria:

Thank God you said you relied on your elementary knowledge. The Amaechi case is quite different from this. Amaechi won the primaries of the PDP but his name was substituted by his party's top hierarchy. The party could have gotten away with that if they had enough evidence to proof that the primaries were marred with irregularities. But unfortunately for PDP, INEC was present at the primaries and it adjudged it free and fair. So the court held that Amaechi was the authentic candidate.

Now, this case of Ajimobi bothers on his eligibility i.e. whether it was lawful for him to contest the election in the first place and whether it was right for the ACN to field an ineligible candidate or not.

If the court rules that Ajimobi was ineligible and should not have contested the election, both Ajimobi and ACN which is an accomplice in this crime are all losers and the penalty among other things is forfeiture of victory by both Ajimobi and ACN.


So you guys better get the difference clear.

Talking about eligibility, the SSS screens all Guber candidates for eligibility, and I dont want believe that the SSS were unaware of Ajimobi's dual citizenship at the time of Screening. So if SSS actually gave Ajimobi clean billl of health despite being aware of his dual citizenship then on what basis are you going to hold ACN responsibe for complicity?

In any case, the case is being filed under S182 which is subject to S28, but Ajimobi will only run foul of Section 28 if he was not a Nigerian by birth.

Well sha, I understand that lawyers always dig up these things to make some cool cash even when they know that their client do not have a good case. Sorry to me learned friends, but it is the truth.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by cvibe: 3:17pm On May 20, 2011
In a court of law, a case is argued on the balance of probability.

The lawyers could argue the case and win if going by his oath of allegiance to a foreign country, they can prove that he is capable of working as a spy for the US Gov, and capable of bearing arms against the Nigerian Gov, etc etc
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by veraponpo(m): 3:24pm On May 20, 2011
What a lovely tread? I rally like this, so educating. I really want to see him perform as a governor and see if he will perform well cos of ACN factor-Their Rich Manifesto.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by seunlayi(m): 3:30pm On May 20, 2011
This is a season film. Who win? We wait and see no matter how long.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by beejaei: 3:33pm On May 20, 2011
What is a constitution?
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by MaiSuya(m): 3:39pm On May 20, 2011
na wa o! see lawyers for NL. . . grin
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by cvibe: 3:49pm On May 20, 2011
Posting his SSN, DOB and full address on the net, is setting him up for fraudsters.
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by tlops(m): 4:00pm On May 20, 2011
The deal is:
you should not contest for the post of presidency/ governorship when you owe allegiance to another country. but I thought the fact was established. in the case that akala has a case, what will happen. a new election or Accord party wins?
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by zicoisaac: 4:03pm On May 20, 2011
its just a point of view 'come rain, come shine' AJIMOBI IS OYO STATE GOVERNOR, 
Who cares? Infact, oyo state people has elected him because he has dual citizenship and not wot the constitution say.  Wot about that?
We will amend the constitution that say so because of AJIMOBI.
WE NEED AN AMERICA MATERIAL TO SWEEP AMALA POLITICIANS IN OYO STATE.
WHOM GOD HAS BLESSED, NO ONE SHALL COURSE
Re: Ajumobi Is An American, So Akala May Still Be Governor Of Oyo State by pokur: 4:09pm On May 20, 2011
God save us from the mischievious,the ignorant & things that go thump in the dark.
edicolove,section 28 of the constitution is cast in stone.A natural-born citizen cannot lose it under any circumstance except voluntary renounciation.Section 29 makes voluntary renounciation the most difficult exercise you can ever embark upon poltically.
Again,section 25 recognises dual-citizenship by confering nigerian citizenship on anyone born anywhere in the world who has a nigerian parent,or anyone born in nigeria who has a grandparent who is a nigerian.
Akala is being had by his lawyers who are out to make quick buck since it is expected there won't be much petitions to pick n choose from this year.

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