DappaD:


OK. Therefore the following holds true?

freshboi88:

This is what holds true on the subject. Quote scripture relevant to circumcision. That's what the debate is about.
Now on circumcision. This is what holds true.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
Keeping the commandment of God is what matters circumcised or uncircumcised.
So all these little doctrinal issues don't matter. All that matters is our faith in Jesus. The fact that we believe that it is only by him that we are saved. This is what really makes us one. Not weather we belong to a circumcision group or not
This free biblical schooling u r receiving, u go pay o....

DappaD:
So you know circumcision/uncircumcision means nothing yet you’re still hinged on the mistake that Peter made, which was later corrected. No matter how you look at it you cannot force a scripture to say what it did not say. There was NO doctrinal difference amongst the first century Christians and likewise there is NONE amongst true Christians today. Romans 15:6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2, 1Peter 3:8

You’re in serious trouble if there is disunity amongst your churches because then you’re saying Jesus’ prayer was not answered and that he did not come from God(John 17:23) which can only mean that you’re following a fake Jesus. Matthew 24:24

DappaD:

So you know circumcision/uncircumcision means nothing yet you’re still hinged on the mistake that Peter made, which was later corrected. No matter how you look at it you cannot force a scripture to say what it did not say. There was NO doctrinal difference amongst the first century Christians and likewise there is NONE amongst true Christians today. Romans 15:6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2, 1Peter 3:8

[s]You’re in serious trouble if there is disunity amongst your churches because then you’re saying Jesus’ prayer was not answered and that he did not come from God[/s](John 17:23) which can only mean that you’re following a fake Jesus. Matthew 24:24

freshboi88:

You can't change scripture man.
Let's analyze your positions in this debate
1. Firstly u claim that the people who came were not christains so that is why Peter pretended. When I called u out on that showing u they are christians so Peter would not need to pretend if this group was factional, divided on doctrinal issues...u changed position
2. Next u tried to blame the devil as the reason for his pretence and when I told u the devil was not to blame for this and showed u y Paul called Peter out.....u went mute.
The point here is no matter what doctrinal issue we have, be it induced by our environment, it really doesn't matter. What matters is our faith in Jesus. Our faith in Jesus is what unites us in our diversity.
And this is y u r not united with Jesus in this faith. It is why u r an outcast because u don not believe not profess Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. The first and the last, the Almighty.

DappaD:
You yourself quoted 1Corinthians 7:19 where it was said that circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing. Which means that the differences between the Christians back then was not as a result of doctrines because all those apostles no dey use eye see person wey dey teach different doctrine. 1Timothy 1:3-4, 6:3-5; Titus 3:10-11, 2John 7-11

MaxInDHouse:
Because they're all practicing interfaith and it's like only JWs aren't part of their system, freshboi88 wants to support interfaith with God's word but it's just a pity the Bible cannot be edited!

DappaD:

He so wants to force it into the Bible by force by fire. Talking about “Unity in diversity” yet Paul removed individuals who brought a different doctrine from the congregation. 1Timothy 1:20, 2Timothy 2:16-18

DappaD:


He so wants to force it into the Bible by force by fire. Talking about “Unity in diversity” yet Paul removed individuals who brought a different doctrine from the congregation. 1Timothy 1:20, 2Timothy 2:16-18

freshboi88:

I am not forcing anything. ! As far as humans are in charge of the church here on earth we would always see things differently.

MaxInDHouse:


EVIDENCE that you don't believe in the Holy Spirit!

When Jesus said:
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit" Matthew 28:19

Jehovah's Witnesses taught me that with the power of God's Holy Spirit even in the gathering of imperfect humans God's will that there must be oneness in thought is possible! Matthew 19:26 compare to John 17:22

So when Maximus say "only JWs have the Holy Spirit working with them" do you still object now?
YES you call us ZOMBIES and others CULT but our Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ (Archangel Michael) comforted us saying you'll say all sort of things against us when you SEE the impossible become possible in the midst of God's faithful servants JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Matthew 5:11-16; 10:22-25

freshboi88:

I am not forcing anything. As far as humans are in charge of the church here on earth we would always see things differently.
There are things that are not explicitly stated in the Bible and so church leaders would have divergent views on these things. For example water baptism mode, baptism of infants. These are things denominations disagree on. Just like we saw then that we had groups that believed in circumcision of gentiles and those who didn't.
But in all these our faith in Jesus as Lord and God, co-equal, co-eternal with the Father is our uniting factor.
That is why Paul said circumcision or uncircumcision it doesn't matter.

freshboi88:

Wasn't the holy spirit in the Christians who came from James who belonged to the circumcision group?
Go and siddon u dnt know anything

DappaD:
It’s quite unfortunate that Paul did not see things the way you’re seeing them now. There was no room for anything like diversity in doctrine! Romans 16:17, Galatians 5:20, 1Timothy 1:3,4; 6:3-5
There’s no problem because from the onset the Witnesses have claimed to have their own Jesus(Archangel Michael) while you have yours(who you claim is also your God) so don’t worry we have already agreed that your own Jesus’ prayer wasn’t answered, meanwhile we’ve seen that the prayer of Michael was answered on behalf of the Witnesses. At least we finally know who has the correct Jesus. John 15:8

DappaD:
It’s quite unfortunate that Paul did not see things the way you’re seeing them now. There was no room for anything like diversity in doctrine! Romans 16:17, Galatians 5:20, 1Timothy 1:3,4; 6:3-5
There’s no problem because from the onset the Witnesses have claimed to have their own Jesus(Archangel Michael) while you have yours(who you claim is also your God) so don’t worry we have already agreed that your own Jesus’ prayer wasn’t answered, meanwhile we’ve seen that the prayer of Michael was answered on behalf of the Witnesses. At least we finally know who has the correct Jesus. John 15:8

freshboi88:

Wasn't the holy spirit in the Christians who came from James who belonged to the circumcision group?
Go and siddon u dnt know anything

freshboi88:

1cor 7:19For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.
This verse proves you wrong. Paul says whether u believe in circumcision or uncircumcision. It doesn't count.
In other words irrespective of what u think believe about circumcision, what matters is that u love God and keep his commandments.
A clear case of unity in diversity

DappaD:

WAS JESUS’ PRAYER THAT HIS DISCIPLES BE UNITED IN THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT AND TEACHING ANSWERED?

DappaD:


Again, if circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing, then their differences was not about doctrine because Paul was not preaching about circumcision or un-circumcision, therefore it’s not an official doctrine in the congregation whether one gets circumcised or remains uncircumcised. Galatians 5:2

I’ve been quoting Scriptures ever since but you happen to avoid them, why is that the case?

Romans 16:17(KJV)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1Timothy 1:3-4
“Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.”

1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

2Timothy 4:3-4
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”


I need your take on the cited Scriptures above so that we’ll see where your “unity in diversity” falls under.


Once you keep harping on what transpired in Galatians chapter 2, it only leads to one question that required either yes or no.
WAS JESUS’ PRAYER THAT HIS DISCIPLES BE UNITED IN THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT AND TEACHING ANSWERED?

Bishopkingsley:


God command that every knee will bow to Jesus and bow means will worship Jesus hope you know that

Are you saying God command us to worship angel Michael

Nancy2020:
do you actually think that Jehovah's Witnesses understand that to kneel down and bow means to worship.
The same thing God said every one will do to him is the same thing he said every one will do to Jesus.
Does that not tell you who Jesus is.

Romans 14:11
It is written: “’As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God

Philippians 2:10-11
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

MaxInDHouse:


For your information,
At the mention of the name of Babajide Olusola Sanwo Olu every knee in Lagos must bow!
At the mention of Muhammad Buhari every knee in Nigeria must bow!
That's the reason why this people were elected as Chief Executive in the places they were given to administrate.
If anyone should disobey Olusola Sanwo Olu it simply means such a person is disobeying the entire population of Lagos State who elected that man in office! Likewise whoever disobey Muhammad Buhari undermines the entire population of Nigerians who voted that man as the Commader in Chief of all the armed forces of Nigeria!
That's why God's word referred to all these people as Gods {Psalms 82:6} but they will all die without a hope of resurrection because the position they held wasn't ordained by JEHOVAH!

Jesus will also rule as a mighty God but his own ordination is not from human source, nobody voted Jesus in, JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow!"

Well all those who bow to Jesus' wise counsel will be permitted to live forever {John 3:16} but all those opposing his wise counsel will not have life in fact JEHOVAH is angry with them! John 3:17-18

So don't get it twisted Jesus is just a God and ruler like your elected officials, the difference is that while your elected officials have portions on earth where their authorities are limited Jesus' authority is both heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} while your elected officials will die without a hope of resurrection Jesus paid for his own crown with his life, was resurrected and will live forever {Hebrews 1:8} while your elected officials need humans to enforce their rulership Jesus' force are angels so they need not search before catching a culprit! Matthew 13:39

So bowing to someone's orders totally differs from WORSHIPING the person, God got annoyed with certain Israelite chieftains who disregarded Moses {Numbers 12:8} Jesus is the prophet coming in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} just as JEHOVAH will not tolerate anyone who dishonour Moses's orders the same way JEHOVAH will not tolerate anyone who disregard Jesus' orders! Deuteronomy 18:19

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're quoting Ma!

Nancy2020:


Babajide Olusola Sanwo Olu Is it the one that ran out when end Sars was on.
No one bows to buhari it not in Nigeria laws.
I don't understand your comparison
God states how worship is and you are hell bent on arguing about it.
Just because you hate Jesus
God is saying here that every one including the devil will willfully admit that he is God Almighty
And every one in the whole world will do the same to Jesus.
Yet devil blind your eyes to this fact
Argue with the word of God as you do other scriptures.
At the end we shall see if you will refuse to bow down and worship Jesus.

Devil doctrine below
Show me this in Bible
JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow

Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ no follow for your fake doctrine.
Jesus says Do NOT worship me, you MUST worship only JEHOVAH your God.
Only JWs obey this instruction.
You can go ahead and DECEIVE yourself.

Nancy2020:



Romans 14:11
It is written: “’As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God

Nancy2020:

Babajide Olusola Sanwo Olu Is it the one that ran out when end Sars was on.
No one bows to buhari it is not in Nigeria laws.
I don't understand your comparison
God states how worship is and you are hell bent on arguing about it.
Just because you hate Jesus
God is saying here that every one including the devil will willfully admit that he is God Almighty
And every one in the whole world will do the same to Jesus.
Yet devil blind your eyes to this fact
Argue with the word of God as you do other scriptures.
At the end we shall see if you will refuse to bow down and worship Jesus.
Devil idea below:
Show me this in the Bible
JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow

Nancy2020:
do you actually think that Jehovah's Witnesses understand that to kneel down and bow means to worship.
The same thing God said every one will do to him is the same thing he said every one will do to Jesus.
Does that not tell you who Jesus is.

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Nancy2020:

Philippians 2:10-11
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Janosky:

In this screenshot, According to Nancy2020 logic, the man kneeling and bowing down is worshipping the Elders.

MaxInDHouse:
If everyone agrees to bow before Jesus then who will be destroyed and why? John 3:16

Nancy2020:
Why Will Every Knee Bow?
In the midst of Paul’s exhortations to the church of Philippa, we find a verse stating that every knee will bow to Jesus. It begs the question as to why all heavenly beings and humanity will bow before Jesus.

This verse is speaking of a future time, specifically, when the second coming of Jesus happens. This timeline adds understanding as to why every knee will bow. When Jesus returns, this visible coming will force all to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. There will be no doubt, no debate, and no question when Jesus comes a second time that he truly is who he said he was.

Although there are people of every generation who have doubted who Jesus was, or rejected the Gospel message, when Jesus returns, there will be no disputing who Jesus is. No one will be able to deny who Jesus is once he returns. Therefore, every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus is indeed the Lord of all.These verses declare that, “those in heaven, and those on earth, and those under the earth (v. 10)” will kneel before Jesus and profess he is Lord. Those in heaven refers to the heavenly and angelic beings. Those on earth refers to humanity. Those under the earth most likely refers to demonic beings.

Essentially, this part of the verse conveys in the most comprehensive way possible that all will bow to Jesus, not just human beings. To be clear, this passage is not conveying that all people will come to be saved. On the contrary, it affirms that even those who chose to not make Jesus their Lord will one day kneel before him and acknowledge who Jesus is.

Ultimately, whether saved or not, all will recognize upon Christ’s return that he is the only Lord and Savior.For those who believe, this verse means we anticipate the day when Jesus returns and that we will affirm our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. This moment when believers kneel before Jesus and confess that he is Lord will be a culmination of their faith.

Believers will do this as a form of adoration and an acknowledgment of Jesus as Lord of all. Believers will bow before their King who died for them and saved them. This will be a glorious and humbling moment for believers.

Non-Believers

For those who rejected the Gospel and did not accept Jesus as their Savior – those we consider non-believers – this will be a moment where they will face the reality of who Jesus is. It will be a moment when they realize their grave error in not choosing to repent and turn to Jesus. It will be the incredibly sobering moment when they realize they were wrong about who Jesus is.

There is no escaping the truth about Jesus and the reverence he is due as Lord. Non-believers will bow before the King whose salvation they chose to deny.

MaxInDHouse:
The question is simple:
If everyone bows before Jesus why will some be destroyed?
Please few sentences with scriptural backings is enough!