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|How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogoamaka99(m): 5:10am On May 27, 2011|
BENEFITS OF TITHING
Truth is truth no matter who is for it or against it. And you can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. Are you a tither? Are you enjoying the fullness of GOD’S blessing for your action? If not this thread is for you.
There are many great blessings GOD has packaged for true tithers in the Bible. Malachi 3 verses 10 - 12 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delight some land, saith the Lord of hosts.” Every true and faithful tither in the kingdom has proof to show. So if you are obedient in tithing but have no testimony to show for your action then I advice you to stop paying, stop wasting your resources in the name of paying tithe, there is something wrong somewhere. Until you get it right you can never enjoy the fullness of GOD’S benefits for your obedience. Some are tithing but there is nothing to show for their action. There is no testimony to show and that is why this thread is for you if you are involved. Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?” GOD s not a liar and had never made any promises HE never fulfilled in the scripture. He promised that HE will open to you the windows of heaven and pour you a blessing. Secondly HE promised to rebuke the devourer for your sake. So if the above is not a reality in your life and yet you are a tither then check it, there is something wrong some where. True tither has proof to show for their action (evidence to show) for their action. That is why they don’t listen to the garbage the sons of perdition opposing tithe are saying in this forum about tithing.
So if you are tithing but are not enjoying the fullness of GOD’S blessings then the following check is recommended for you1) First you should ask yourself whether you’re HEART IS RIGHT WITH GOD? Until your heart is right with GOD your tithe will never be acceptable before GOD even though it may be acceptable before your pastor. GOD is not obliged to fulfill HIS promise to you if your heart is not right with HIM. Your heart must first be acceptable before GOD before your tithe is acceptable before HIM.
(2) Second check, you should ask yourself “Is the tithe you are paying acceptable before GOD?” Cain and Abel offered sacrifice to GOD in Genesis 4 vs. 1 to 7. GOD accepted the offering of Abel but rejected that of Cain. Your tithe must first be acceptable before GOD before HE blesses you in return. It is unfortunate that many are paying tithe to impress their pastor and their tithe acceptable before their pastor but not to GOD. As a word of advice, you should never pay your tithe just to impress your pastor. Moreover, before your tithe is acceptable before GOD it must come from a pure and clean heart (hand). If your hand is not clean then your tithe will not be clean. Some think that GOD will justify them if they pay tithe from ill gotten or stolen money.
If your heart is not right with GOD, your tithe will never be right with GOD. Secondly, if the source of income you are paying tithe from is not right, the tithe you paid will never be right and acceptable before GOD even though it may have been acceptable before your pastor. I said this because many pastor are sharing in the iniquities of their members by closing their eyes on the evil their members are committing simply because they are paying fat offering and tithe from that loot.
(3)The next check-“Did you pay the tithe correctly? You see tithe is not just any amount. It must be 10% of your income. Once it is not up to 10% you have rendered what you paid invalid. Many are playing trick on GOD thinking they will get away with it. Please hear me well NOBODY SHOULD COMPEL YOU TO PAY TITHE IF YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED TO PAY. YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MONEY. However, if you are convinced in paying tithe then ensure that you pay it correctly if you are to enjoy the full benefit that goes with your action. Remember that partial obedience is no obedience. Rather than paying one naira short of my tithe, I rather add ten naira above my tithe. It is better to add above than to pay short of the correct amount because any thing short renders the amount paid invalid.
In closing, I wish to summarize all that I have been saying; for you to enjoy or reap the full benefit of tithing the following must be in place.
(1)First before you start to be a tither, you must enter into covenant relationship with GOD i.e. you must first be a child of GOD. You must first be born again.
(2) Secondly you must pay your tithe with a clean hand (heart)-correct heart acceptable before GOD.
(3) Thirdly you must ensure that the tithe you are paying is acceptable before GOD by ensuring that your heart is acceptable before GOD. In addition ensure that the income you are tithing is clean and acceptable before GOD.
(4) Finally, you must ensure that you are paying the tithe correctly. That is, ensure that you are paying the correct amount. Any thing short of these may result in you not reaping the full benefits of your tithing.
NOTE: Please note that this thread is not about whether to pay or not to pay tithe. By now you should have been convinced or otherwise of whether it is your covenant obligation to pay tithe or not. If you are not convinced about paying tithe I advice that nobody should compel or force you to be paying tithe. You should change the church that FORCES you to tithe. Tithing is a covenant obligation that must be obeyed from the dept of our heart and not forced upon. If one is forced to pay tithe the person will never reap the benefits of tithing even though the church may have collected his/her money and used.
From my observation people’s action and obedience to issue of tithing is based on one’s level of understanding and relationship with GOD. The person who lack understanding about tithe should be thought but not forced. That is why you see some churches; members are paying their tithe happily while you see other churches members are struggling to pay their tithe because they lack the understanding. For instance I remember some years past when I got married to my wife, because of her church background she was not convinced about tithe. It was latter on that she got the understanding. It was then that she had no problem paying her tithe willingly. So don’t force yourself in paying tithe, rather seek a solid understanding about tithe and you will never have any problem paying tithe from that day. It is your lack of scriptural and spiritual understanding that made you to be arguing whether it is right to pay tithe or not.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 7:26am On May 27, 2011|
Abeg stop all these mis-information. There is absolutely no blessing attached to tithing as it is practised today because it is different from the biblical tithes ordained by God for the israelites only. If you want to hold God to his promise to biblical tithers then you must follow strictly God's instruction on tithing as stated in deuteronomy 14:22-29 you must identify genuine levites to give it to and the tithes must strictly be produce of the land of Israel. Any other variation is a man made version and God cannot be black mailed into keeping convenants he did not have with you and neither did you even play your role as detailed in the bible.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Joagbaje(m): 7:38am On May 27, 2011|
(1)First before you start to be a tither, you must enter into covenant relationship with GOD i.e. you must first be a child of GOD. You must first be born again.
God bless you, ogoamaka. Many are dwelling on tithe argument yet they are not born again. God is not interested in your tithe at the expense of your soul . Salvation first
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 7:51am On May 27, 2011|
Kindly quote one single scripture in the bible that suggests that you must be born again before your tithes is acceptable to God? You charlatans just keep shooting yourselves in the foot trying to justify this unbiblical fraud. I just proved to you why your so called tithes NEVER work; cos it is totally different from biblical tithes described in deuteronomy 14. Before you can task God on tithes you have to follow his word to the letter and not substitute his instructions for fraudulent man madfe variants then expect God to fulfil his own part.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by TeeJay6(m): 7:56am On May 27, 2011|
KunleOshob:Pro. 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked [is] abomination: how much more, [when] he bringeth it with a wicked mind, Pro.15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 8:15am On May 27, 2011|
Let's study Malachi
God addresses Israel:
Mal 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
And then the priests:
Mal 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Who is addressed here? Israel or the priests?
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
It's obviously the priests who should bring ALL the tithes into the storehouse. But if you have doubts:
Neh 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
The thieves who were robbing God were the priests who were not bringing all the tithes into the storehouse so that they may be meat for whom?
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 8:30am On May 27, 2011|
The richest African, Aliko Dangote, is not a Christian. The richest born again Christian is mostly not a tithe-payer but rather a tithe-receiver like Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Chris and others.
I know a tither who borrowed money from me and never paid it back. He has fallen from grace:
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Tithing doesn't work because God is not an accountant:
Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Tithers generally become poorer:
Pro 22:16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Joagbaje(m): 10:25am On May 27, 2011|
Pls tell them. We have some people who give tithes religiously . They say things like " I don't go to church but I always send my tithe."
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Joagbaje(m): 12:06pm On May 27, 2011|
Nobody is a tithe receiver. The church money doesn't belong to a pastor. A pastor gives his tithes as any christian. The idea that a pastor spend people's tithes to buy cars and live in luxury is satanic propaganda .
A pastors wealth comes through his giving and faith. He must put the word to work in his life. People will always bless a real pastor just As he bless others by his ministry gift and grace, they respond to him in turn also . People build houses ,buy cars for a pastor who gives. God will place his Desire in the hearts of others.
I know a tither who borrowed money from me and never paid it back. He has fallen from grace:
Story story. . .
Tithing doesn't work because God is not an accountant:r
Freely, yes, but it carry obedience. Why do you pray? ;DEvery blessing in God is connected to obedience. If heallth is a free gift in christ and you live in sin, you will fall sick or even die. There is a law of sowing and reaping.
2 Corinthians 9:6
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by PastorAIO: 12:53pm On May 27, 2011|
Thank you for this advice, I was on my way to put some money on Man U to beat Barcelona tomorrow. I was wondering whether to just put a fiver or to put a tenner. I think I will now sow bountifully in order to reap bountifully, and by the grace of God I will not weep bountifully.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by russkelly: 2:33pm On May 27, 2011|
Nobody give a HOLY iblical tithe tody. Period. Wise up. Get the facts from God's Word. Stop the nonsense.
True HOLY biblical tithes were always only FOOD from inside God's HOLY land of Israel which God Himself had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man increased, from Gentiles or from outside OT Israel. There ar 16 texts to prove this.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:51pm On May 27, 2011|
I wonder why Pastor JoAgbaje and the other tithe adherents don't observe the Sabbath or give burnt offering.
You have more satanic "churches" today that actual Church of God", by their fruits, ye shall know them, "
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 4:17pm On May 27, 2011|
Because Tithing is not a law commandment it is an act of worship. . .when will you grow up in the things of God?
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 4:22pm On May 27, 2011|
Rubbish assertions! pls prove your 16 texts bla bla bla
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 4:25pm On May 27, 2011|
Have you read 2corithians 10:12? U sure need to?
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 4:36pm On May 27, 2011|
Ahh tonye-tithes is back, I think the onus is on you to prove that the type of false fraudulent monetary modern day tithes being preached today is biblical talkless of being required of christians
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 6:57pm On May 27, 2011|
Tonye-tithe, your tithe collecting course is over already?
To each his own, if it works for you folks, by all means carry on, I will give as the Holy Spirit leads me and NOT as someone else leads me to believe.
I would love to know where the "giving in order to receive" can be found in the Holy Scriptures, what's wrong with a Christian giving without expecting anything in return knowing that our Father in Heaven is looking down and knows our hearts?
It's PURE SCAM to be "taught" the prosperity nonsense of giving in order to get something from God and the wrong application of FAITH, "faith without works is DEAD"
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by petres007(m): 8:00pm On May 27, 2011|
One that both Jesus and all the apostles forgot to MENTION, enh?
By the way, can you please provide book chapter and verse for these interesting assertions of yours -
1. That tithing is NOT a commandment of the law (of Moses)
2. That it is "an act of worship".
Bear in mind bro, that this (#2) sort of nullifies Romans 12:1 which states that[b] the[/b] believer's spiritual act of worship is presenting his body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God.
As it would appear, Paul didn't know there was another "act of worship" or maybe. . . just maybe. . . he only knew of (or was only speaking of) the spiritual act of worship here. . . tithing being the "material" equivalent
And while you're at it. . . kindly provide biblical Christian examples or instructions on this "act of worship" of yours
True words there. . .
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by petres007(m): 8:17pm On May 27, 2011|
Didn't know this one before before o. . . makes a bunch of sense
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 7:59am On May 28, 2011|
Pastor Joe, I know that verse well:
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
But it's not what you guys teach that it should be from your payslip, God said from your heart:
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
And what you reap is not riches but sufficiency:
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
And the increase is not in riches, but righteousness:
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
In other words if tithing works, Pastor Joe will increase his fruits of righteousness and stop changing his posts on Nairaland (that's like lying) and my tithing friend will repay my money.
By their fruits you shall know them. The fact that tithers continue to lie, borrrow and not repay, fornicate and so on proves that tithing doesn't increase the fruits of righteousness. God didn't say it will, He said it brings a curse. God said giving from the heart makes us have sufficiency in all things and increase the fruits of our righteousness.
I'm not trying to convert Pastor Joe to the truth but those who are reading should be able to see the light.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogoamaka99(m): 1:41pm On May 28, 2011|
I don't like replying to some of the issues some raise in some of the thread because they do not make sense as to warrant a reply.Moreover my motivating factor in all my postings is not to argue with the sons of belial and sons of perdition in this forum, but to provide raw truth for the greater majority that visit the forum. My happiness is not on what the enemies of truth do say or post as reply but on the NUMBER of people who view the thread. There are many who visit the forum without replying to any of the thread. Some are members and some are not.
It is unfortunate that moderators of this forum has allowed the forum to degenerate into all comers affairs, a forum that ought and meant to be for discussions, but few have turned it into an arena of character assassinations and abuse. I still wonder if this information still hold-"This forum is moderated, so please read the rules before posting".
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by frosbel(m): 1:56pm On May 28, 2011|
You are gravely deceived and refuse to come out of your error, instead spreading this poison to other unsuspecting young believers.
Well I have bad news for you, God is now waking a Remnant to the truths and revealing all the false doctrines in the church today which all started from the time of Constantine.
Read your bible and stop following men and your emotions.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Joagbaje(m): 2:14pm On May 28, 2011|
Firstly,The stand you are taking defeats your initial stand that we dont need to do anything because Jesus had paid the price. That's the error I was trying to point out. The blessings of God are connected to obedience. That's faith. If you don't do the word. You will not see the benefit. Even though it's the will of God.
Secondly I will appreciate you address me by my ID joagbaje
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 2:51pm On May 28, 2011|
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by nuclearboy(m): 5:27pm On May 28, 2011|
You are discussing with garbage; people who know the truth but make a living from lies. They will twist, turn and prance, all in a bid to seem like they have knowledge to offer when it is patently obvious that they are ignorant animals, thieves who live like mosquitoes - on the blood and sweat of others, parasites who add NO value to their hosts! So they will not accept truth from you because then, they will go hungry!
That is why Mr "unknown to God"-"Pastor" Joe doesn't want to be called his title - so its not obvious to the innocent he is marketing to that he's here only to make a living. The other dolt once promised a laptop that he can't afford but proved himself a dog and Belial's heir when called out.
They have lost the battle and at the rate at which truth is being revealed here, the Man pastor will soon be stripped of even the earthly recognition. God doesn't know him and man too will presently forget him.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 6:23pm On May 28, 2011|
There is nothing in the Bible, nor in my post, to suggest that those promises are only IF we give. You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of GRACE. You seem not to understand how God loves us unconditionally and how we can please Him not to get something in return but simply because:
1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by MrBible: 6:51pm On May 28, 2011|
Pastors that collect tithes are Bible robbers!
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Joagbaje(m): 8:01pm On May 28, 2011|
The highlighted part is manipulative . I used the word obedience. Sin robs a man of graces, obedience cause grace to abound upon a person. So the emphasis on giving only is suspicious . Y
You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of GRACE. You seem not to understand how God loves us unconditionally and how we can please Him not to get something in return but simply because:
No you misunderstand grace. Grace wont function for a greedy man. Or fleshly ruled man. They may function in the general blessing.
God promised us health unconditionally but there are deed of faith that will cause you to walk in divine health.
God has blessed every christian unconditionally . Either you give or not. Either you o ey or not. But one thing is being blessed another thing is to actually walk in the blessing or to receive it. Our blessing is a full package but it takes deeds of faith for a man to actually walk in them. The fact that God blessed you does not mean you will walk in them or recieve them. Sin for example robs a man of graces. Grace can abound or decrease.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?. God forbid. . . ,
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by nuclearboy(m): 8:55pm On May 28, 2011|
Confusion has totally set in. Health according to the above is "unconditional". Yet BUT there is what will cause it EVEN though it is "unconditional"
Same with blessing.
It is not good to be a professional liar- it always causes confusion
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 5:17pm On May 29, 2011|
Something like the sheriff is back will do!
He said in (Glatton Contemporary English version) Mtt. 23:23 - You people make me wonder why you adhere strictly to every detail in giving your tithes, but i tell you from henceforth put more emphasis on justice, show mercy to one another and faith towards your God and then give your tithes too.
What is so difficult for the anti-tithing fools to comprehend,maybe they are yet to fulfill their destructive mission from the pit of shaitan
Kunle,pls tell me Jesus was saying this only to the Pharisees, and I will say you are the biggest fool to have tread on nairaland. Maybe I can continue when i get your hypocritical and biased response.
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 5:25pm On May 29, 2011|
You spake like a wise man for the first time in my nairaland life. . .couldnt have agreed with you more "each man to his own". Tithe works for me and my little family.
Pls come up open and tell us that you are not against people giving tithes but in the way fake Men of God manipulate it on their flock and I'll say "you are the best", but come up and tell us that because Fake men of God manipulate on the subject therefore tithing should be abolished and I'll say "you are a fool".
And to add, the original tithe as practised by Abraham our father, was that He gave as a token of appreciation , not as a seed for returns. That my friend is the true order of tithing. Anything contrary to that is a scam. quote me!
|Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 5:32pm On May 29, 2011|
Could you pls explain what you understand from this passage with emphasis on the last 5 words I'll provide?, maybe then I'll hit you with my good literature on the subject.
This is the passage:
Mtt. 23:23 - You people make me wonder why you adhere strictly to every detail in giving your tithes, but i tell you from henceforth put more emphasis on justice, show mercy to one another and faith towards your God and then give your tithes too.
Just so you dont tell me you dont agree with Glatton's translation, let me give it in King James version
Matt 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. KJV
What is that "the other" that should not be left "undone"? pls tell everyone here!
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