jdilight:
Sorry I was not true with mine write up, I had to attend to some business transaction.

jdilight:
REASONS AGAINST TITHING

1. To stop the spreading of the church/gospel of God.

The major way of financing the church of God is through tithe and offering. If this means of financing the church of God is destroyed, the church of God will go bankrupt. this will result to the end of the church of God. But by the power of God who instituted the church through prosperity and has pleasure in her prosperity, this gate of hell shall not prosper against the church of God in Jesus name.

2. To stop the prosperity of the children of God.

These people know that the pleasure of God in the prosperity of the servants of God which comes by pursuing the righteous cause of God, which include the spreading of the church and gospel of the kingdom of God causes God to pour out His blessing more on his children. To stop Gods blessing from coming to His children, they want to make them stop whatsoever that brought them into that blessing.

Never in the history of the church has the church of God had such prosperity as it is now. This is because, they have discovered the blue print of heaven open window. I see an uprising trying to reverse history and put the church in bondage again. Some of these people are doing this in ignorance while some knowingly.

3 ENVY

Many will not easily recgnise this a the reason for preaching against tithing, but it is. What those speaking against tithing, there are envious of big churches. They will tell you, what are they using all those tithe and offering being generated in the church for? Why are the churches not paying tax? They build schools/hospital with poor peoples money from tithe for the rich? and so on and so forth.

Act 13:45, "but when the jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming."

What caused the envy above? the prosperity of the church of God and its happening again right now. Some will tell you there are christian, but know better now. Philippians 1:15, "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife;and some also of good will:" not every preacher is a true preacher. Neither is anyone with the title pastor a true pastor of the gospel of God.

For those who stand with God, they shall see the salvation of God when he has turned this envy against his church against these people while making Himself known to his people whose stood by Him (Ezekiel 35:11).

4. HATRED

The church is too careless. The people are taking their simplicity for a ride. Proverb 14:15, "The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going." Proverb 22:3. I have always advocate that every christian be a student of the word of God to avoid being deceived (Psaml 119:130).

The world/devil hate the church and he will do anything to bring her down. even if it means becoming a pastor to achieve this the devil will do it.

We should always look at the big picture.

What is the reason for this?

nora544:


sorry that is not right and that is what the pentecost/charimatic pastors preach but it will only enrich themself and many followers will lose all because christians should give and since when it is only money it could also be time but this is not what the pastor want because it will not fill his pockets,
since when God is a money printing machine.

jdilight:


How do God spread his church?

PastorKun:


Stop deceiving people here, God does not need your tithe and God can grow his church without your likes twisting his word to extort money from believers.

WinsomeX:
^^^ pls answer the questions directed at you in the earlier posts. We can start from there. Good write up by the way.

jdilight:


I dislike repetition, why should I continue to say the same thing over and over again. Read the write up and ask me any question and I will answer you, if it is not already answered in the this write up.

WinsomeX:


And, lastly here, Abraham gave a tithe once from war spoils. Should Christians do the same?

As for Jesus fulfilling the law. If the law is fulfilled, what is left to be done in it?

Why would Christ fulfill all the law and leave only that of tithing for Christians to fulfill?

Please attempt my questions.

WinsomeX:


Sorry bros, no offense. Here are my questions again. Thanks.

jdilight:
THE PROCEDURE FOR TITHING

There is a saying that, "when the purpose of a thing is not known, abuse is inevitable".

Genesis 14:18-20. Abraham never tithed till he met the priest of God. Abraham took the tithe to the priest, likely to his sanctuary. :18,"Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High."

Abraham did not give his tithe to the priest till he was blessed by the priest. :19, "And he blessed him and said: "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth." You shouldn't give your tithe to a priest who doesn't bless you. Tithe are not meant to be given to the poor, it is God's portion that the priest: the representative of God on earth takes on behalf of God.

Abraham did not give a tithe of his capital but of his increase. :20, "And blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand. And he gave him a tithe of all." Abraham gave the priest a tithe of all the spoil he got from the war not of all the goods he had in his house.

If you don't have increase, your not expected to tithe.

Your tithe is a tenth of your increase (profit) not of all you have.

You are not expected to give tithe from your capital/loss.

Tithe is not a bribe. You can't bribe God.

jdilight:

You did not read my post if not you will not ask the first question.

jdilight:

Abraham gave his increase (which was the spoil of war) as at the time he met the priest. God for bids war now so your increase from war now is against Gods principle.

jdilight:

Tithe has been in existence before the law, for the law came by Moses who came years after Abraham and Jacob who had already paid tithe.

plaetton:

If tithe is not a bribe, then what is it, since it is obligatory?
Is it tribute?
Is it slave tax?
Is it a spiritual shakedown, considering that it comes with a threat of a devourer as the enforcer, similar to a mafia extortion racket?

If tithing for important in life or in the spiritual, would Jesus, supposed son god and saviour of mankind, not have emphasized it in his many teachings?
Jesus emphasized kindness, love, charity, sharing with the poor, caring for the sick, not collecting from the very same people you should be giving to.
I can see why charlatans like the op would ignore the teachings of Jesus, usherrer of the new covenant, to focus his greedy and avaricious eyes on Abraham's spoils of war as a basis to live fat on the avails of other.


As I said earlier, when superior argument show up inferior opinion retort to accusation. People who are sincere in knowing the things of God about tithing will always make reference to this post till nairaland go down.
What a shame.

WinsomeX:


I read the bit I could. Also, when you venture on a thread like this to teach others, you should be patient enough to hear what they have to say too in case there is something in it for you to learn too. I do not do hit and run comments. I do thorough discussions. I request that you patiently discuss your position. I can assure you I will not insult you or even try to change your mind. I will simply ask for your understanding. That's all.



My question was if Abraham gave tithes of war spoils and did so once, and as Christians you are urging us to tithe like he did, why don't we also tithe once and tithe of war spoils? Your answer is that Abraham tithed war spoils (my position too); and we are not to fight wars as Christians, since God forbids war. Which is not true.

Warfare is a legitimate work that some of us must do, Christian and none Christians, to protect the sovereignty of our countries from external aggression or internal rebellion like Boko Haram. There is not one scripture that teaches Christians should not wage war.

Now, why did Abraham tithe? Go to Hebrew 7. He tithed so as to demonstrate the greatness of the Melchizedek priesthood. In Hebrew 7, the writer was showing Jewish Christians why Christ was to be worshipped. He enumerated three reason, all taking from the Genesis 14 account

1. Abraham tithe: If Abraham is seen to tithe to Melchi, then Aaron tithed to him too. Therefore the one receiving tithes now, tithed in Abraham. But Melchi is likened to Christ. Melchi who received tithes is greater than Aaron who gave it. Therefore, Christ was greater.
2. Melchizedek blessed Abraham: it takes the greater to bless the lesser.
3. Melchizedek priesthood was immortal: Aaron priesthood was mortal, that of Christ immortal.

That all the scripture was saying and that why the account of Gen 14 is in the bible. I have asked you if you insist that you tithe bc Abraham did, why don't you circumcise like he did on the eight day; why do you not give burnt offerings; why do you not practice polygamy?



Yes indeed. The pagan nation of Babylon gave tithes of war spoils long before the law. An example Abraham was imitating. Jacob promised to tithe but God reenacted that promise in the law in Leviticus 27.

Finally, what you call the tithe today is not the tithe of the bible. In Abraham, the tithe was a tenth of war spoils. By the time of the law, the tithe was of the seed of the ground, fruit of the tree and tenth of the herd, in order words, the tithes where from agric produce. Jesus testified to this when he mentioned that the tithes included mint, cummin and anise, all food spices in Matthew 23:23. A tithe of money or salary is foreign to the whole bible.

Proof of the fact that the tithe changed from war spoils in Abraham time to agric products, was that in Num 31, Israel was not instructed to tithe the war spoils they received.

Look forward to your response.

jdilight:

I don't think I told you anywhere in my post to tithe like Abraham. My bringing Abraham here is to show that tithe existed before the law.

jdilight:

I want to correct a misconception. From your post, you point to the fact that tithe are given to pastors. But that is not true. Even in malachi 3 where many draw the idea of tithe. God said the tithe was His even though it was meant to keep food in the house of God. Now is the tither greater than God.

jdilight:

I don't tithe because Abraham did, neither do I urge people to tithe because Abraham tithed. I tithe so that there will be food in the house of God and that the gospel of Christ will spread to all. It is my love for God that make me tithe. I love God more than money.

jdilight:

If the tithe changed from war spoil to agricultural goods while can't it can to money now taking into consideration what made it change. Now did Jacob promise to tithe to God war spoil or agricultural goods?

jdilight:

If tithing was wrong, why did God reenacted it in lev 27 according to you?

jdilight:

What is the reason for tithe?

jdilight:

Tithe are not meant to be given to the poor,

jdilight:

Abraham did not give a tithe of his capital but of his increase. :20, "And blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand. And he gave him a tithe of all." Abraham gave the priest a tithe of all the spoil he got from the war not of all the goods he had in his house.

jdilight:

If you don't have increase, your not expected to tithe.

Your tithe is a tenth of your increase (profit) not of all you have.

jdilight:

THE BENEFITS OF TITHING

It is erroneous to believe that giving your tithe will bring you blessing. No! Tithe is meant.

1. To bring increase from that where the tithe came from.
The pocket from where your tithe comes from is meant never to get dry as a tithe giver, because it is from that pocket that the house of God (where the priest that receive your tithe dwell) is meant to be sustained. By the tithe Abraham paid, he was immune from being defeated in any war he will go into.