Eeyaa, Workch has been barred on his own thread!

Dtruthspeaker:


And 31 Times I gave you Everyday Seeable evidence with 1000 times Verifiability and 100% Accuracy, that in this world, "a house eg this world, does not build itself and a thing does not create itself eg mannequin, yet you have refused to drink sniper!

Brother, you have done your best.

Thing is, you cannot for anyone to believe the evidence he does not want to believe.

We have shown him our evidence and how we believe all these things are created by God.

Let him prove how those evidences around him are invalid and show us how they do not link to God but to something else.

The burden of proof is on him. Not us.

He should prove his point.

oohrhiifx:


Brother, you have done your best.

Thing is, you cannot for anyone to believe the evidence he does not want to believe.

We have shown him our evidence and how we believe all these things are created by God.

Let him prove how those evidences around him are invalid and show us how they do not link to God but to something else.

The burden of proof is on him. Not us.

He should prove his point.

O my brother, I thank you for your words, it was very pleasant to my soul and surely, God took note of it and will definitely please you too and I submit to your counsel!

Ken4Christ:


The first evidence is the evidence of the scripture. Jesus said;

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6.

In another passage he said;

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The second evidence are fulfilled prophecies. There are over a hundred prophecies in the old testament concerning the coming Messiah and all were fulfilled in Jesus.

His lineage was predicted.
His town of birth was predicted.
His manner of birth was predicted.
His betrayal was predicted.
The amount used in betraying was also predicted.
His exact day of death was predicted.
His resurrection was predicted.

The third evidence is his resurrection from the death. His grave is empty. History confirmed he walked on earth. Our calendar is with reference to Christ.

The fourth evidence is the lives that is being changed daily by as many as accept him as Lord and Saviour.

The fifth evidence is me. He lives in me. He has given me his Holy Spirit.

The sixth evidence are the things happening before our very eyes. They are happening just the way the Bible foretold them.

The seventh evidence are those who have had spiritual encounter of both heaven and hell. They came back and told the story. Not every encounter is of God. But the encounters that agrees with God's word is what we believe.

I am amazed that you think that all these are evidence to a sane and rational mind.

Do you need a starter pack for how evidence are gathered, accessed and enumerated?

Workch:
I am amazed that you think that all these are evidence to a sane and rational mind.

Do you need a starter pack for how evidence are gathered, accessed and enumerated?

You are even one of the evidence that Jesus died and rose again. Can you tell us your birthday without making reference to Christ. I know there are other calendars but other calendars still make reference to Christ?History revolves around the greatest man that ever lived. Dates in history are either BC or AD. To tell you the fact. No one can escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Saviour or meet him as your judge. He is the one appointed to judge the dead and the living. Fear the only man who died and rose again. And he is coming back. If the grave could not hold him down, the sky cannot stop him from coming. And he doesn't need a jet to come. He travels with the speed faster than the fastest jet.

Ken4Christ:


You are even one of the evidence that Jesus died and rose again. Can you tell us your birthday without making reference to Christ. I know there are other calendars but other calendars still make reference to Christ?History revolves around the greatest man that ever lived. Dates in history are either BC or AD. To tell you the fact. No one can escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Saviour or meet him as your judge. He is the one appointed to judge the dead and the living. Fear the only man who died and rose again. And he is coming back. If the grave could not hold him down, the sky cannot stop him from coming. And he doesn't need a jet to come. He travels with the speed faster than the fastest jet.

do you need A starter pack on how evidence are gathered?

Let me know

There are evidences everywhere.
Pray you experience it.

Workch:
There are all sorts of reasons why people have theistic belief, and some of them make a whole lot of sense from their perspective.

Some people have experienced phenomena that isn’t adequately explained by science and find a theistic explanation more satisfying.

Some people have overcome major life challenges, such as addiction, through the power of faith.

Some people have been raised in a religious belief that has been reinforced by peers, elders, and culture.

For some, faith brings solace and comfort.

For many, faith inspires their path of lovingkindness and justice.

As I said, I’m an atheist. There are certain aspects of some theistic views that I reject and outright oppose.

But the vast majority of theists I know are people of deep character, and have reasons for their beliefs that I readily respect as long as they don't try to enforce their beliefs on others and make it the universal truth.

I have problem with fundamentalists and religious people who try to undermine you because you don't share their religious opinions.

Zhirinovsky:
There are evidences everywhere.
Pray you experience it.

Believers lack basic understanding of what an evidence is

Workch:
do you need A starter pack on how evidence are gathered?

Let me know

The greatest evidence is in you and that is your conscience. You are just suppressing just to maintain your preconceived opinions.

People must go to hell. In fact, over 95% of the world population will land in hell. Many are called, but few are chosen. If you want to continue on the wide road that leads to destruction, it's your choice.

There is no name like the name of the Lord Jesus. You have to see something to believe in it existence. We can't see the wind but it exist like other things too. See this world is enough evidence there is a higher being than all of us.

Hey Fam, the name of Jesus is out now. Check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpTa7hSEKow

Ken4Christ:


The greatest evidence is in you and that is your conscience. You are just suppressing just to maintain your preconceived opinions.

People must go to hell. In fact, over 95% of the world population will land in hell. Many are called, but few are chosen. If you want to continue on the wide road that leads to destruction, it's your choice.

conscience is not evidence.
That's not how evidence work Ken

Workch:
conscience is not evidence.
That's not how evidence work Ken

Keep looking for evidence until the devil receives your soul in hell.

The Jews sought for evidence and Jesus gave them the evidence but they still don't believe him. They didn't know the time of their visitation. Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 on account of this.

Receive Jesus genuinely and you will experience a real transformation that will make you know that Jesus is real. He will change your life.

Ken4Christ:


Keep looking for evidence until the devil receives your soul in hell.

The Jews sought for evidence and Jesus gave them the evidence but they still don't believe him. They didn't know the time of their visitation. Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 on account of this.

Receive Jesus genuinely and you will experience a real transformation that will make you know that Jesus is real. He will change your life.

There's no evidence that the devil exists ken

Workch:
There's no evidence that the devil exists ken

The evidence is in the Bible. There are two kinds of knowledge. They are sense knowledge and Revelation knowledge. You can't find the devil by sense knowledge unless he reveals himself to you physically. And quite a few people have seen the devil one on one. You also can't find God with sense knowledge. You find him through Revelation knowledge.

This world is more than a physical world. One proof of this is the dreams we experience. Don't you dream? The dream world is real.

Each time you celebrate your birthday, you are telling yourself and the world that Jesus is real because your birthday is with reference to the greatest man that ever lived who is God in the flesh.

No archeologist could find his body. Even those who killed him couldn't find his body. He rose from the dead and went to heaven in the presence of his disciples. And he is coming back soon.

So, if you are looking for physical evidence, you won't find it. The only one is the empty grave of Jesus.

Only those who believe will be saved. If you don't believe, you will be damned.

And if you receive him into your heart, you will experience peace that money can't buy. You will know that you are changed man.

Jesus is alive and he is still changing lives. He wants to change yours. Why not believe and experience true transformation.

Ken4Christ:


The evidence is in the Bible. There are two kinds of knowledge. They are sense knowledge and Revelation knowledge. You can't find the devil by sense knowledge unless he reveals himself to you physically. And quite a few people have seen the devil one on one. You also can't find God with sense knowledge. You find him through Revelation knowledge.

Ken, the Bible is bunch of clams by Christians. It's not evidence for anything

This world is more than a physical world. One proof of this is the dreams we experience. Don't you dream? The dream world is real.

dreams are not evidence for god. Dreams are evidence of neurons rewiring themselves to created a movie-like scenario when we enter the REM stage of sleep. You need some education Ken.

Each time you celebrate your birthday, you are telling yourself and the world that Jesus is real because your birthday is with reference to the greatest man that ever lived who is God in the flesh.

My birthday has nothing to do with God or Jesus Ken, it just the remembrance of the day I was born made possible by earth orbiting the sun.

No archeologist could find his body. Even those who killed him couldn't find his body. He rose from the dead and went to heaven in the presence of his disciples. And he is coming back soon.

This is jot prove for god Ken. You are making more and more claims and not evidence. Because no one found Jesus body is not prove that your God is real ken.

So, if you are looking for physical evidence, you won't find it. The only one is the empty grave of Jesus.

The smartest way to validate anything is testable evidenc, this includes the claims made by Christians Ken. It you cannot provide it and keep hiding from providing it then sane people will always question your relgion.

Only those who believe will be saved. If you don't believe, you will be damned.

You can believe whatever you like Ken, it doesn't mean it is true. You can even believe that tress can talk, it's okay as long as it makes you sleep at night. No one can stop you from believing ridiculous things Ken.

And if you receive him into your heart, you will experience peace that money can't buy. You will know that you are changed man.

I have to see you demonstrate the evidence before I believe you Ken. There's no peace in religion Ken, it's the reaok why the most religious countries are not the most peaceful countries Ken. That's includes Nigeria.

Jesus is alive and he is still changing lives. He wants to change yours. Why not believe and experience true transformation.

There's no evidence for his Ken. Give me evidence to test

Workch:
Ken, the Bible is bunch of clams by Christians. It's not evidence for anything

dreams are not evidence for god. Dreams are evidence of neurons rewiring themselves to created a movie-like scenario when we enter the REM stage of sleep. You need some education Ken.


My birthday has nothing to do with God or Jesus Ken, it just the remembrance of the day I was born made possible by earth orbiting the sun.

This is jot prove for god Ken. You are making more and more claims and not evidence. Because no one found Jesus body is not prove that your God is real ken.

The smartest way to validate anything is testable evidenc, this includes the claims made by Christians Ken. It you cannot provide it and keep hiding from providing it then sane people will always question your relgion.

You can believe whatever you like Ken, it doesn't mean it is true. You can even believe that tress can talk, it's okay as long as it makes you sleep at night. No one can stop you from believing ridiculous things Ken.

I have to see you demonstrate the evidence before I believe you Ken. There's no peace in religion Ken, it's the reaok why the most religious countries are not the most peaceful countries Ken. That's includes Nigeria.

There's no evidence for his Ken. Give me evidence to test

Maybe we should try this. If it's possible for us to meet. Put poison in our food or drink and let's eat it at the same time. I will survive the poison but you will not be alive to tell the story. This will prove that the life of Christ in me is indestructible.

I have eaten poisoned food and drinks several times and I am still alive. If you eat it, you will die.

The Christ life is a higher life. It is a superior life. Jesus makes you a supernatural being.

Niflheim:
The air we breathe is evidence of god?

What kind of talk is that? Same air being breathed by porn stars and pigs playing in the mud?

What a fantasy!!! Eggplant can produce oxygen, so can onion, is onion your god?

Why do christians love to talk like people who did not pass primary 1 exam?

Let all the onions in the world produce billions cubic of oxygen for only you, if the mechanism responsible for your breathing fail you will understand what you quote.

Ken4Christ:


Maybe we should try this. If it's possible for us to meet. Put poison in our food or drink and let's eat it at the same time. I will survive the poison but you will not be alive to tell the story. This will prove that the life of Christ in me is indestructible.

I have eaten poisoned food and drinks several times and I am still alive. If you eat it, you will die.

The Christ life is a higher life. It is a superior life. Jesus makes you a supernatural being.

We don't have to meet Ken for you provide evidence for your God.
You will die if I give you poison Ken, don't be a crazy fanatic

Workch:
We don't have to meet Ken for you provide evidence for your God.
You will die if I give you poison Ken, don't be a crazy fanatic

I have been poisoned so many times but I am still alive. I am a super human and Jesus made me so. The life you have is an ordinary human life. Besides, I see certain things before they happen. This makes me supernatural. You are living a low life. Come to Jesus and embrace a higher life.

Taste and see that this life is real. You don't know how sweet a food is until you eat it.

Ken4Christ:


I have been poisoned so many times but I am still alive. I am a super human and Jesus made me so. The life you have is an ordinary human life. Besides, I see certain things before they happen. This makes me supernatural. You are living a low life. Come to Jesus and embrace a higher life.

Taste and see that this life is real. You don't know how sweet a food is until you eat it.

OK Ken, I won't be part of that. I don't want to get arrested for murder Ken

Workch:
OK Ken, I won't be part of that. I don't want to get arrested for murder Ken

There are many other things you are missing without Christ.

1. Peace of mind.
2. Divine health.
3. Ability to change hopeless situation.
4. Long life.
5. Ability to see certain things before they happen.
6. Divine protection.
7. God's kind of love indwells us.
8. We can cast out demons.
9. We can heal the sick.
10. Free from guilt and condemnation.

And lots more

Ken4Christ:


There are many other things you are missing without Christ.

1. Peace of mind.
2. Divine health.
3. Ability to change hopeless situation.
4. Long life.
5. Ability to see certain things before they happen.
6. Divine protection.
7. God's kind of love indwells us.
8. We can cast out demons.
9. We can heal the sick.
10. Free from guilt and condemnation.

And lots more

christ doesn't give peace of mind, health, protections and long life Ken.

This is why Christian countries are not the richest, heslthiest, most protected and live longest.
You making stuffs up Ken without evidence

Workch:
christ doesn't give peace of mind, health, protections and long life Ken.

This is why Christian countries are not the richest, heslthiest, most protected and live longest.
You making stuffs up Ken without evidence

He does of course. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. The chaos we are experiencing some part of the world today is because they rejected Christ.

There is no peace in most homes today because Jesus is not the center of their lives.

The kind of peace Jesus gives is peace that guards your heart and mind even in the midst of the storms of life.

Ken4Christ:


He does of course. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. The chaos we are experiencing some part of the world today is because they rejected Christ.

There is no peace in most homes today because Jesus is not the center of their lives.

The kind of peace Jesus gives is peace that guards your heart and mind even in the midst of the storms of life.

Nigerian Christians dont have peace of mind and they are mostly poor.
This is what evidence provides

Workch:
Nigerian Christians dont have peace of mind and they are mostly poor.
This is what evidence provides

There are of course poor Christians. But as they grow up in knowledge, they will become rich over time.

Just give your life to Christ. Eternity is real. You can't escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Lord or meet him as your judge.

Ken4Christ:


There are of course poor Christians. But as they grow up in knowledge, they will become rich over time.

Just give your life to Christ. Eternity is real. You can't escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Lord or meet him as your judge.

You are making numerous claims but evidence seem to say otherwise.

Your God is not real. You can't force people to accept it unless you demonstrate with evidence

Workch:
You are making numerous claims but evidence seem to say otherwise.

Your God is not real. You can't force people to accept it unless you demonstrate with evidence

The evidence is there but you don't want to acknowledge it. The date you were born is one evidence. It is with reference to Jesus.

Another evidence is that his grave is empty.

History could not deny it. History revolves around Jesus. Events are dated either BC or AD.

I have seen God healed a crippled man who came to a prayer meeting I conducted years back.

I have seen God healed a woman who couldn't sleep for more than 2 hours for years. And she had to take drugs to sleep for that length of time. Now she sleeps like a baby without drugs.

If you ignore all these, don't ignore your conscience. Deep within every human, our conscience speaks to us but we either ignore it or suppress it.

Jesus loves you. He is the living water that you drink and thirst no more. He is the beginning and the end. Invite him into your heart and you will be a living evidence that he is real and he is still changing lives.

This theists matter don tire me workch how are you able to deal with these people? I mean its very frustrating to converse with them omooo I wonder how you can do that without getting mad.
I'm trying to be as patient as Richard Dawkins in his debates lol but honestly these people aren't logical one bit,see claims everywhere without evidence(s) to back them up and they want rational folks to swallow it so we can as well sink into their delusion
Workch:prove the existence of God to me
Theists: The air you breathe is evident of the existence of God....wtf?
I might as well say the air i breathe is the evidence of the existence of a unicorn and they also have to believe it because I also have no evidence but I believe it exists,these people don't know how delusional they actually sound

Dliquidmetal:
This theists matter don tire me workch how are you able to deal with these people? I mean its very frustrating to converse with them omooo I wonder how you can do that without getting mad.
I'm trying to be as patient as Richard Dawkins in his debates lol but honestly these people aren't logical one bit,see claims everywhere without evidence(s) to back them up and they want rational folks to swallow it so we can as well sink into their delusion
Workch:prove the existence of God to me
Theists: The air you breathe is evident of the existence of God....wtf?
I might as well say the air i breathe is the evidence of the existence of a unicorn and they also have to believe it because I also have no evidence but I believe it exists,these people don't know how delusional they actually sound

And I believe that a certain theist may reply that obviously, presuming that you were not lying, God, in your language is called "Unicorn", therefore, you already prove and have acknowledged His Existence!

So there is nothing to prove.

Exactly as seeing the Camry and someone says Mr. Toyoda is the god of Toyota and a jos man says, "No, it's 'duck yansh’

So it clearly means you too have seen what we see and therefore YOU HAVE SEEN THE PROOF ONLY THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME TO DESCRIBE THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE SEEN exactly as "back" and "rear" mean the same thing.

Therefore, you are no longer an opponent but one of our witnesses.

Workch:
There are all sorts of reasons why people have theistic belief, and some of them make a whole lot of sense from their perspective.

Some people have experienced phenomena that isn’t adequately explained by science and find a theistic explanation more satisfying.

Some people have overcome major life challenges, such as addiction, through the power of faith.

Some people have been raised in a religious belief that has been reinforced by peers, elders, and culture.

For some, faith brings solace and comfort.

For many, faith inspires their path of lovingkindness and justice.

As I said, I’m an atheist. There are certain aspects of some theistic views that I reject and outright oppose.

But the vast majority of theists I know are people of deep character, and have reasons for their beliefs that I readily respect as long as they don't try to enforce their beliefs on others and make it the universal truth.

I have problem with fundamentalists and religious people who try to undermine you because you don't share their religious opinions.

There are a couple of things you believe without seeing the evidence for yourself. You probably believe in evolution because scientific materialists say so not because you have seen the evidence. You probably believe the observable universe is some 13 billion years old because some astrophysicist says so not because you have seen the evidence for yourself. You probably believe that the Mathematical enterprise is well founded because you were told so but I can guess you haven't heard of Godel's theorem of incompleteness. I can go on and on. Why do you think you have the moral high ground to criticize those who believe in the supernatural (this is at the core of most major religions) without necessarily seeing repeated, testable and verifiable evidence for it when you take the words of scientists and materialists at the face value without seeing the evidence?

1. Fine tuning of the cosmos
2. Evidence of design in nature (related to evidence 1)
3. Structured information (e.g the DNA)
4. The comprehensibility of the universe
5. Successful mathematical modeling of natural phenomena (like the appearance of the fibonacci sequence in flowers, sea shells etc)
6. Reports of supernatural phenomena
7. Origin of something from nothing.

These seven points tell me that it would be stupid to believe there isn't a supremely intelligent being somewhere, known as God!

efficiencie:


There are a couple of things you believe without seeing the evidence for yourself. You probably believe in evolution because scientific materialists say so not because you have seen the evidence. You probably believe the observable universe is some 13 billion years old because some astrophysicist says so not because you have seen the evidence for yourself. You probably believe that the Mathematical enterprise is well founded because you were told so but I can guess you haven't heard of Godel's theorem of incompleteness. I can go on and on. Why do you think you have the moral high ground to criticize those who believe in the supernatural (this is at the core of most major religions) without necessarily seeing repeated, testable and verifiable evidence for it when you take the words of scientists and materialists at the face value without seeing the evidence?

I dont believe anything without seeing the evidence. I can see the evidence for big bang.
I can see the evidence that the universe is atleast 13.8billion years. The evidence is all over the internet if you care you search for it and it's testable.
Your statement is wrong.
you attempted to commit a fallacy of whataboutism as well