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Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by Armom: 5:02pm On Sep 11, 2014
LOL. Because you cant prove the Quran wrong so now you are misquoting the Quran.

Im sorry to say that you are so afraid of the TRUTH.

BROTHERS AND SISTER TO KNOW THE QURAN PLEASE READ IT AND READ YOUR SCRIPTURES AS WELL

DONT LISTEN TO THESE CHEATERS..

To know whether the Quran Gods word or not refer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eJKDmyXrk

Quran challenges as always smiley :-
Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions (Chapter 4 , Verse 82)

I bear witness that there is no God but Allaah and Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger and servant of Allaah. smiley
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by Empiree: 8:41pm On Mar 02, 2015
Dem no go defeat Quran....NEVER

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Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by syedshahed: 10:21pm On Apr 25, 2015
Examples of Verses Including Scientific Facts Just Explained or Discovered Recently

Some of the Quran verses explain facts about Earth, humans, and other creatures.

1. For example, there is an invitation for humans to fly, indicating the possibility of flying, more than 1428 years ago.**

In Surat Al-Rahman (Chapter 55), Verse 33 states, we read:***

O You jinn and men, if you can penetrate zones of the heavens and the Earth, then penetrate! You will never penetrate them except with (the) power (of science).

يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ

2. The Holy Quran tells us that there is intelligent life in outer space, where Allah (Praise to Him) is also worshipped and glorified.

In Chapter 30, Verse 26, Allah (Praise to Him) says:

To Him belongs whom are in the heavens and the Earth, all are devoutly obedient to Him.

وَلَهُ ۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ‌ۖ ڪُلٌّ۬ لَّهُ ۥ قَـٰنِتُونَ

In Chapter 3, Verse 83, Allah (Praise to Him) also tells us about life in outer space saying:

Do they want other than the Religion of Allah? While (all) who are in the heavens and the Earth have willingly, or unwillingly, submitted to Him (as Muslims do), and to Him shall they be returned.

أَفَغَيۡرَ دِينِ ٱللَّهِ يَبۡغُونَ وَلَهُ ۥۤ أَسۡلَمَ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ طَوۡعً۬ا وَڪَرۡهً۬ا وَإِلَيۡهِ يُرۡجَعُونَ

In Chapter 19, Verse 93-95, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

There is none in the heavens and the Earth but comes (on the Day of Judgment) to the Beneficent (Allah) as a (helpless) slave.

He does take an account of them, and has counted them exactly.

And all of them (are coming to Him) on the Day of Resurrection individually (alone) (Maryam, 19: 92-95).

إِن كُلُّ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِلَّا آتِي الرَّحْمَـٰنِ عَبْدًا

لَّقَدْ أَحْصَاهُمْ وَعَدَّهُمْ عَدًّا

وَكُلُّهُمْ آتِيهِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَرْدًا (مريم ، 19: 93-95).

In Chapter 24, Verse 41, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

Do not you see that Allah is praised by whoever in the heavens and the Earth, and (that) the birds are flying in lines? Each (category of creatures) knows its own prayer and praise. And Allah knows that they do.

أَلَمۡ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ ۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأًرۡضِ وَٱلطَّيۡرُ صَـٰٓفَّـٰتٍ۬‌ۖ كُلٌّ۬ قَدۡ عَلِمَ صلاتَهُ ۥ وَتَسۡبِيحَهُ ۥ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمُۢ بِمَا يَفۡعَلُونَ

3. Earth is described as egg-shaped (not a perfect circular globe), a fact which was discovered recently in the human history.

In Chapter 79, Verse 30, the Holy Quran mentions that:

And the Earth, after that, He made it egg-shaped.

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا

The noun "da'hya" is used by North African Arabs in reference to an "egg." The author heard it by himself in the early 1970s in Libya. Other translators missed the meaning of the verb (da'haha, دَحَٮٰهَآ) translating it into "extended."

4. In Verses 68-69, we are told that it is the female bee that makes honey, a very recent bit of knowledge for humans. We know now that male bees die after mating with the queen and live only for about 90 days. Only female bees survive to be the workers, which gather nectar and make honey. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes. It is another piece of evidence that the author of the Holy Quran could never be a human being about 1428 years ago. Rather, He is the All Knowledgeable One.

And your Lord inspired the female bees to take (build) its houses (hives) on mountains, trees, and in (people's) gardens

Then (you female bee) eat from all the fruits and (you female bee) follow the ways of your Lord laid down (for you). There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing (cure) for people. In that, (there) is a sign for a people who give thought (Al-Na'hl, 16: 68-69).

وَأَوْحَىٰ رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا وَمِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ

ثُمَّ كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ فَاسْلُكِي سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلًا ۚ يَخْرُجُ مِن بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهُ فِيهِ شِفَاءٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ۗ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (النحل ، 16: 68-69).

In dealing with Verse 68, some translators did not pay attention to the feminine form of the Arabic verb (اتَّخِذِي), which refers to female bees in particular, not bees in general. The same meaning is confirmed in Verse 69, in verbs (كُلِي), which means "you female bee eat," and verb (فَاسْلُكِي), which means "you female bee follow."

5. In 27: 18, there is a reference to a female ant speaking to other ants, which is also a recent bit of knowledge. We know now that male ants die after mating with the queen and only female ants survive to be the workers, just like the case with bees mentioned above. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes and the advanced studies in biology.

" ... a female ant said: "O you ants enter your dwellings" (Al-Nahl, 27: 18).

ققَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّمْلُ ادْخُلُوا مَسَاكِنَكُمْ ۡ (النمل ، 27: 18).

Several translators, also in this verse, did not pay attention to the feminine form of the Arabic noun (نَمْلَةٌ), which refers to "a singular female ant."

6. The Holy Qur'an also provides us with an accurate description of deep waters in the ocean, where darkness prevails. Nobody could dive deep enough in the ocean 1428 years ago and come back to tell about what he saw there. Only the One who has created Earth and its oceans could know. For us, Philippe Causteau and his crew showed us some videos about only some parts of the ocean depth, in the 1980s.

In Chapter 24, Verse 40 of the Holy Quran, Allah (Praise to Him) says:

Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like layers of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by clouds: Layers of darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! For anyone to whom Allah does not make light, he has no light (Al-Noor, 24: 40).

أَوۡ كَظُلُمَـٰتٍ۬ فِى بَحۡرٍ۬ لُّجِّىٍّ۬ يَغۡشَٮٰهُ مَوۡجٌ۬ مِّن فَوۡقِهِۦ مَوۡجٌ۬ مِّن فَوۡقِهِۦ سَحَابٌ۬‌ۚ ظُلُمَـٰتُۢ بَعۡضُہَا فَوۡقَ بَعۡضٍ إِذَآ أَخۡرَجَ يَدَهُ ۥ لَمۡ يَكَدۡ يَرَٮٰهَا‌ۗ وَمَن لَّمۡ يَجۡعَلِ ٱللَّهُ لَهُ ۥ نُورً۬ا فَمَا لَهُ ۥ مِن نُّورٍ (النور ، 24: 40).

7. In Chapter 24, Verse 43 of the Holy Quran, Allah (Praise to Him) vividly describes the water cycle, from winds to clouds, then to rain. He says:

Do not you see that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? Then, you will see rain coming out of it. And He sends down hail from the sky mountains (of clouds). He strikes with it whom He wills and He turns it away from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its lightning is close to blinding the sights (of people). (Al-Noor, 24: 43).

أَلَمۡ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُزۡجِى سَحَابً۬ا ثُمَّ يُؤَلِّفُ بَيۡنَهُ ۥ ثُمَّ يَجۡعَلُهُ ۥ رُكَامً۬ا فَتَرَى ٱلۡوَدۡقَ يَخۡرُجُ مِنۡ خِلَـٰلِهِۦ وَيُنَزِّلُ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مِن جِبَالٍ۬ فِيہَا مِنۢ بَرَدٍ۬ فَيُصِيبُ بِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَصۡرِفُهُ ۥ عَن مَّن يَشَآءُ‌ۖ يَكَادُ سَنَا بَرۡقِهِۦ يَذۡهَبُ بِٱلأًبۡصَـٰرِ (النور ، 24: 43).

In Chapter 30, Verse 48, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

It is Allah Who sends the Winds, and they raise the Clouds. Then, He spreads them in the sky as He wills, and break them into fragments, until you see rain-drops coming out from the midst of it. When He makes them reach whoever He wills of his servants, then they rejoice! (Al-Room, 30: 48).

ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِى يُرۡسِلُ ٱلرِّيَـٰحَ فَتُثِيرُ سَحَابً۬ا فَيَبۡسُطُهُ ۥ فِى ٱلسَّمَآءِ كَيۡفَ يَشَآءُ وَيَجۡعَلُهُ ۥ كِسَفً۬ا فَتَرَى ٱلۡوَدۡقَ يَخۡرُجُ مِنۡ خِلَـٰلِهِۦ‌ۖ فَإِذَآ أَصَابَ بِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنۡ عِبَادِهِۦۤ إِذَا هُمۡ يَسۡتَبۡشِرُونَ (الروم ، 3(: 48).

8. The Holy Qur'an tells us in several verses that Allah (Praise to Him) has created plants in pairs (male and female) in order for plant reproductive activities to happen leading to giving us the fruits we enjoy on this Planet.

This pairing can be found in two separate plants producing the same fruit (such as date-palm trees), or in two different flowers in the same plant (such as cucumbers), or in the same flower containing male and female organs (pistils and stamens).

In Chapter 20, Verse 53, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

"... and (God) has sent down water from the sky. With it, We have produced diverse pairs of plants (Taha, 20: 53).

وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً۬ فَأَخۡرَجۡنَا بِهِۦۤ أَزۡوَٲجً۬ا مِّن نَّبَاتٍ۬ شَتَّىٰ (طه ، 20: 53).

In Chapter 13, Verse 3, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

"and of all fruits, He made in them pairs, two each (a male and a female).

وَمِن كُلِّ ٱلثَّمَرَٲتِ جَعَلَ فِيہَا زَوۡجَيۡنِ ٱثۡنَيۡنِ‌ۖ (الرعد ، 13: 3).

In Chapter 31, Verse 10, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

We send down water from the sky, (in order that) We cause goodly pairs to grow out of it (of earth) (Luqman, 31: 10).

وَأَنزَلۡنَا مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً۬ فَأَنۢبَتۡنَا فِيہَا مِن ڪُلِّ زَوۡجٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ (لقمان ، 31: 10).

In Chapter 36, Verse 36, Allah (Praise to Him) also says:

Glory to Him, Who created all pairs, of what the earth produces, of themselves (humans), and of others unknown to them (Yaseen, 36: 36).

سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (يس ، 36: 36).



9. The Holy Quran mentioned that water preceded the creation of heavens and the Earth. Most recent scientific research has explained this fact, as stated in an article posted at:

Water on Earth Predates the Solar System, and Even the Sun

This scientific fact was mentioned in Verse 11: 7 and Verse 21: 30, as follows:

وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ (هود ، 11: 7).

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ (الأنبياء ، 21: 30).

And it is He who created the heavens and the Earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water (Hood, 11: 7 of the Holy Quran).

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the Earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Al-Anbiya, 21: 30 of the Holy Quran).

In Verse 11: 7, Allah praise to Him stated that His Throne was on water before He created the heavens and the Earth. So, water preceded the formation of our solar system, as scientists concluded in their most recent research.

In Verse 21: 30, Allah praise to Him stated that He caused the split of the matter to form the heavens and the Earth and that He created every living thing (in them) out of water, which was already there.

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Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by syedshahed: 10:22pm On Apr 25, 2015
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by wakeuppeople: 9:40am On Mar 14, 2016
I'm sorry to say, well actually I'm not.
It's all lies. Allah is not real. God, Jesus, and the holy spirit are not real. I don't mean to offend anyone but it is true. Religion needs to be abolished. I have links to two websites giving reasons why Christianity and Islam are false. You can watch Ricard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, and Sam Harris on YouTube. It's all lies and you should all grow up. Your religious fighting is destroying human growth. Both so called holly books have major contradictions. I don't need your god, Allah or afterlife. When I die I will cease to exist. That's the end of it.
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by orisa37: 11:22am On Mar 14, 2016
All Scriptures are from above and they are good for Learning.

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Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 11:32am On Mar 14, 2016
LagosShia:

You must really be going wild wild mad.with every thread you start,you end up being refuted hard and bad.in the last 24 hours you have started at least 3 threads in this forum to attack islam and the Quran.

But not to worry I will refute you and the claims of your entire generation and show all the lies you present to attack islam and the Holy Quran.

Refuting the points raised in the video:

1.) Ancient manuscript and archaeology proves that the present Quran that all muslims have,regardless of their differences,be they shia like myself or sunnis like the majority of muslims,is the same Quran as that which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (sa).not a least stroke nor an additional letter has being subtracted from or added into it.

2.) The Quran after the death of the Prophet (sa) was in written form.it was first compiled by Imam Ali (as) with commentary and details of the revelation of each surah.then abu bakr also compiled another copy.Imam Ali (as) was the most knowledgeable when it comes to the Quran as sunni (not even shia) hadith points out.abu bakr being the person in the position of caliph produced a copy from the copies of the Prophet (sa).the copy of abu bakr was used and Imam Ali (as) had no objection to it.it was both the same and fine.

3.) After the muslims had conquered distant lands outside of Arabia,Quranic verses with variations were spotted.that alarmed the caliph,Usthman.therefore Usthman compiled four copies of the Quran from the orginal and those copies were spread across the corners of the Islamic world.the verses that had variations were collected and destroyed.this was done to ensure that the same fate that befell the bible and continues to from constant tampering and fingering and editing does not happen to the Holy Quran.

4.) The verse in the Quran about jews,Christians and sabians who shall be rewarded speaks of those before Muhammad (sa) since the query was:what would be the fate of those Christian and jews who lived before the Prophet (sa) came and did not have the choice to reject or accept his message?the answer was those who believed in God,the last day and did good,they shall be rewarded by Allah (swt).that demonstrates the universal appeal of islam and its universal sense of justice for all under One God.that by no way says that islam was influenced by jews and Christians.however our common beliefs and commonalities,we muslims do not deny them.

5.) Of all the manuscripts of the bible available it is a fact that no two are identical.besides,the new testament most ancient manuscripts are all in greek when no one of the contemporaries of Jesus spoke greek.christians would tell us the most orginal ones in Hebrew have being lost!!!ridiculous to say the least!!!!and whoever composed the video has the effrontery to claim that there are bible manuscripts while there are no Quran manuscripts from earlier periods.he either is ignorant that there is no early bible manuscripts and that there are Quran manscripts or he is deceptive.

6.) In Arabic,variation in script or strokes does not mean variation in reading.to say that the kufic script was not in use in makkah proves nothing.the kufic script was used in kufa.and kufa was conquered less than 20 years after the death of the Prophet (sa).Kufa was even the capital of the Islamic world under the caliphate of Imam Ali (as),whom the sunnis consider as fourth caliph.

7.) The person who made the video contradicted himself.he earlier claimed that there are no Quranic manuscripts but later presented evidence of those manuscripts from the days of Usthman barely 25 years after the death of the Prophet (sa).to the fool who made the video,25 years is not “ancient enough”.but when examining the bible,we find that the 27 books of the new testament did not form one book until 3 centuries after Jesus i.e. 300 years after!!!!and their authors are mostly unknown.

8.) The Quran today is the perfect copy of what was revealed to our Prophet (sa).the Quran was revealed in only one harf.whatever ahruf (letters) exist,exist only in text but not in recitation.

9.) When talking about Arabic text,the fool did not indicate that Arabic text was not perfected until very late.whatever text that existed in ancient time,that text can be written differently today but is recited the same way.the introduction of strokes and other signs in the Arabic text came late to make writing easier.but the reading is the same.there are also verses which are written in one way but pronounced in another way to fit the dialect that was prevalent in Quraysh.hence,additional strokes to indicate and make it easier for more readers to know how to pronounce the word correctly.again,that implies no change at all.

10.) The hafs is what is the dialect of the Quraysh and it was with their dialect the Quran was revealed.if you read the text as it is written,you still get the meaning and means the same;but the pronunciation of the word slightly differs.that is why all Quran are written in hafs in order for the reader to be able to recite it th Quraysh way.

11.) The claim that Muhammad (sa) could have received the Quran from a Syrian hermit is laughable.a man who prophesied future events,and exposed secrets of past events and made a lot of scientifical proven statements in the Quran could not have received it from anyone.the claim here is that the Prophet (sa) “received it”.others claim he was “taught”.others say he was “helped”.please make up your mind and tell us which guess you want to stick to.

12.) The second claim is that the monk “took him and taught him”.all that happened and his own contemporaries did not know of it.the Quran tells us that Muhammad (sa) was illiterate and could not write and was not taught.if he was,and he made that claim,everyone including his own relatives would have opposed him.

13.) It is funny how the Quran could have being copied from the bible but the Quran is free from errors and historical inaccuracies but the bible has those in abundance.

14.) There is no gospel in the time of Muhammad (sa) that was written in Arabic.the bible was translated in Arabic very late after Muhammad (sa).Waraqa knew Hebrew.Muhammad (sa) could not read or write.even if we assume for argument sake that Muhammad (sa) knew how to read and write,it is illogical to believe that he could have done that to copy contemporary and distant prophecies and knowledge and for more than 2 decades he was not caught doing that.this is a man with 9 wives and children and thousands or relatives and companions.

15.) How could Muhammad (sa) know that man was made out from a clot of congealed blood in the womb?even in English the verses of the Quran souns beautiful.you need to hear the Arabic recitation.

16.) The verse said Allah taught man the use of the pen.the person who made the video said Allah taught Muhammad (sa).and the same Quran says in a very clear and explicit verse that Muhammad (sa) was illiterate and could neither read or write and no one doubted him.

17.) We believe in what was revealed to Jesus,but unfortunately Christians do not have that.what remains of that is negligible.




So all this long rhetoric is to refute just two verses of the Koran. Stop being verbose and go straight and tell us why allahh kept changing his words. Or is allahh the same as Muhammed?
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 11:43am On Mar 14, 2016
dare2think:
Frosbel


I wonder why you are attacking another person's religion.

Did Jesus tell you to do that? Do you only want a Christian world?

Are you aware of the diversity of this world?

Intolerance breeds hatred, which is bad in any religion.

C'mon man, is Christian world perfect? It's ok to disagree on opinions but attacking another Man's religion is contradictory to a religion that preaches Love.

Its really sad.
I wish every muslims were like Frosbel. For Frosbel is using words but muslims are using knives to behead people.
Even Yahweh invites his followers for a talk. He asked, "You don't agree? OK come let's reason together. Present your case, present your strong points why don't agree". Isaiah 1:18.
That is Yahweh talking, and Frosbel here is saying the same thing. He is saying, I don't agree that allahh is God indeed and the Koran can't be the word of God. Now is your turn to prove him wrong. Present your case, pose your strong points, instead of beheading those who do not agree with you.
Now can you see that allahh is not God? Allah says kill the unbelievers, Yahweh invites the unbelievers for a talk. See the variation?
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 12:00pm On Mar 14, 2016
LagosShia:


you cannot WIN me for Jesus because as a Muslim I already have Jesus. You can only win me for your denomination or your different Christian doctrines conjured up with fantasies and intimidation which even other Christians who also claim Jesus and call themselves Christians may also not agree with you on those particular doctrines.

Your claim that you want to win me for Jesus does not make sense. You mean to say you hate Islam and its Prophet (sa) and you want me to leave it. It is the same approach you would use when maybe you are talking to other Christians but only the wording would be different because they too claim to have Jesus. The problem with Christians generally is their narrow-mindedness. each denomination or sect wants to monopolize Jesus and the holy ghost. Each believes only them are saved and even their fellow Christians are da.mned. If Jesus is for all humanity, then why do you want to make others believe that only you have him?

stop abusing Jesus and what he stands for. You can only convince me if you can prove your beliefs and practices and doctrines to be right.

as far I know Christianity in its doctrines and beliefs and practices are not what Jesus taught.many things you lack as to what Jesus taught and many other things you innovated and added and Jesus did not teach you.

you are claiming that you want to point out contradictions in the Quran. But all that you have done is to cast doubt on the compilation of the Quran and claim that variant texts existed. Even that is not true. But the fact is you have showed me no contradiction in the Quranic content. You have pointed non in the Quran itself that all Muslims have and revere.

And besides, Christians are the last people on the face of the earth to talk about contradictions and errors and inaccuracies in scriptures. Your bible is a compilation of confusion. It contains historical error, abundant contradictions, false prophecies, scientific errors, por.no.graphy, in.cest, Immorality and many more. I even posted a link to an earlier thread which I started on the “false prophecies of the new testament”. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-550247.0.html someone in that thread then tried to strike back by bringing up some Quranic verses for argument and he failed. You can check the thread.

Even if we are only base our topic on compilation and text, the bible and Christians would be stripped unclothed. The bible contains so many books by different men written at different times with each giving a different story and different doctrines. There is no conformity in the bible. You do not even know the authors of the books. and those you claim wrote the bible books and the books are named after them, to the least I can point out to you that they did not write everything attributed to them in those books.

Aside from that, the catholic bible contains 73 books while the protestant bible has 66 books. You have two types of the bible one with 73 books and another with 66 books and many versions with different games and playing with words to suit their own denominational beliefs. But all Muslims have a Quran of 114 chapters and word for word up to this day. Even Muslims from different sects have the same Quran. You cannot say the same for the bible. I,a Shia, can read and honor a Quran used by a Sunni and I can read it and glorify it and kiss it when I’m done reading. But the protestant does not accept the catholic bible of 73 books. And all other Christians do not accept the New World Translation, the bible version used by Jehovah’s witnesses and Jehovah’s witnesses too accept no other than their new world translation.and you want me to believe its all one and the same bible. well, the fact is all bibles are not the same.the differences within are too many. You want me to leave the Quran and follow the bible, a book of confusion. God will not show me that wickedness!

Aside from that,I don’t even need to say anything to destroy the bible.the bible itself destroys  your claim and would make anyone reading it to reject it because this is what it says:

Jeremiah 8:8
"'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?

Really? So Christians practice what Jesus Christ did not teach? What did Jesus teach exactly?

Looking into your Koran, I can't see any of Jesus' teachings, only the claim that he (Issa, who is not Jesus btw) is the slave of allah.

You see, Satan lied to Muhammed. In that, Satan indeed offered Jesus the world if only he(Jesus) will obey him and be his slave, but Jesus shunned him. Now he lied to you through muhammed, and you have believed him that Jesus is his slave. WAIT!!!, that could be why Muhammed accepted to worship him, thinking afterall, Jesus is worshipping him too.

Pls friend, Satan lied. Jesus is not under allahh. Allah is Satan, he has been, long before Muhammed's grand gather was born.
Destroying all the other idols in the Ka'aba and elevating his family Idol doesn't change the fact that allahh is a demon. His fruits are speaking very loud.
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 12:09pm On Mar 14, 2016
LagosShia:
Ezekiel 23:20

[size=18pt]There she lusted after her lovers, whose Cores (pe.nis) were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.[/size]
See why I say allahh is Satan? Everything you spend your time typing are judgments God meted out to the defaulters.men are not perfect, but God is. When men commit, God chastises them by way of judgment. If you are truthful, present the punishments or judgement meted out to Muhammed for the atrocities he committed. Let's see which God is Just.
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 12:14pm On Mar 14, 2016
korexes:
u guys ar just sooo annoying,u say 1tin and mean anoder,both religion has stated not 2 go into arguments like dis,it will only bring about hostility,which is very dominant in dis argument.
It's the hostility that they threaten you with, and you are afraid of that they capitalize on. They bully you, you run while running they attack and kill you. If you resist Satan he will flee. He is a coward. Stop being afraid of muslims, they are cowards. They inflict fear, they thrive on your fear, and that's exactly Satan's weapon. Resist these animals.
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by analice107: 12:38pm On Mar 14, 2016
roxta:
First of all, you wanted to prove that Qur'an is not the word of God because it has been considered as the word of God since it was provided to Muhammad (pbuh) with time. You have nothing to do against it.

You are against it because it is the word of Allah.

Anyways, providing you some instructions as I found you dying to prove it wrong with wrong information:

Please read the Quran carefully, then read the Saahi Bukhari Hadith . Quran is the instruction from Allah. And Bukhari Sharif has all the instruction provided by Prophet Muhammad (PHUB).

Before reading any ayah, read the previous one, do the same thing for the next ayah. Don't only read the only ayah. Because, certain ayah was said for certain incidents.

I appreciate your efforts on researching Quran, because i strongly believe if you go against it, you will figure out that it contained the word of God(Allah) and you will turn to muslim and ask for forgiveness.

La koom deen u koom wali ya deen (You religion is yours, mine is mine). So I don't care what your religion is, neither will I criticize your religion nor I will criticize you.

[color=#000099]All the best wishes, keep on going against it because it will remove all your negativities and convert you into muslim.

Assalamalikoom
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Pls sir, who provided Muhammed with the Koran?
Sir, did the being who tortured Muhammed into submission which turnout to be Islam's pillar, ever introduce himself to Muhammed by name?

Pls can you show me where the being did that?

Sir, How do we know Allah is God when his words are borrowed from the religions already in existence long before Muhammed was born?

Sir, why is allahh being one of the idols in the Ka'aba long before Muhammed's grand father was born, still retained it's name as Allah of today. What happened to that Allah? He died?

Now you say 'Everyone to his god" why then the jihad against the others who are to their God's?

Sir, have you ever killed a man because he did not believe in what you belive in?
How many wives do you have?
How many children have you raped as a Muslim?

Are you a high way robber?

Have you ever attacked an unsuspecting family, killed everyone, take their properties, rape their women and still claimed you did it as SELF DEFENCE?

Have you ever peeped at your brother's wife, lusted after her, put asunder, they got divorced and you turn around and brought her home as a wife?
How many women do you sleep with in a day?
Do you mastubate in front of six years olds?

If your answer is no, why shd I not then believe you are a prophet of God? Why shd I believe Muhammed was a prophet of God with all these atrocities? You think because he did all these things in the medieval, he is exonerated?
Muhammed was clearly a false prophet. He will run his full course, then the end will come. When I mean "HIM" I mean Islam, his ideology.
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by cherryph01(m): 5:02pm On Sep 11, 2016
what is going on here,if u don't understand then be on ur own.The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said if u don't like it then don't condemn it.Check Q.109 vs.1-6 and understand urselves
Re: 100% Proof Qur'an Is Not The Word Of God by oyatz(m): 8:42am On Jan 07, 2017
Whenever any issue that appear to challenge anything about Islam/Quran, Muslim fundamentalists often respond by trying to denigrate the Holy Bible/Jesus/Christianity.
Can't you defend your religion and the Qur'an alone without making reference to Christianity.
You guys wrongly assume that anyone that criticizes Islam must be a Christian, as if only Islam and Christianity exist in this world (and everyone must belong to either) and any challenge against Islam/Muhammad must be viewed in the ' Islam Vs Christianity' concept.
LagosShia:

You must really be going wild wild mad.with every thread you start,you end up being refuted hard and bad.in the last 24 hours you have started at least 3 threads in this forum to attack islam and the Quran.

But not to worry I will refute you and the claims of your entire generation and show all the lies you present to attack islam and the Holy Quran.

Refuting the points raised in the video:

1.) Ancient manuscript and archaeology proves that the present Quran that all muslims have,regardless of their differences,be they shia like myself or sunnis like the majority of muslims,is the same Quran as that which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (sa).not a least stroke nor an additional letter has being subtracted from or added into it.

2.) The Quran after the death of the Prophet (sa) was in written form.it was first compiled by Imam Ali (as) with commentary and details of the revelation of each surah.then abu bakr also compiled another copy.Imam Ali (as) was the most knowledgeable when it comes to the Quran as sunni (not even shia) hadith points out.abu bakr being the person in the position of caliph produced a copy from the copies of the Prophet (sa).the copy of abu bakr was used and Imam Ali (as) had no objection to it.it was both the same and fine.

3.) After the muslims had conquered distant lands outside of Arabia,Quranic verses with variations were spotted.that alarmed the caliph,Usthman.therefore Usthman compiled four copies of the Quran from the orginal and those copies were spread across the corners of the Islamic world.the verses that had variations were collected and destroyed.this was done to ensure that the same fate that befell the bible and continues to from constant tampering and fingering and editing does not happen to the Holy Quran.

4.) The verse in the Quran about jews,Christians and sabians who shall be rewarded speaks of those before Muhammad (sa) since the query was:what would be the fate of those Christian and jews who lived before the Prophet (sa) came and did not have the choice to reject or accept his message?the answer was those who believed in God,the last day and did good,they shall be rewarded by Allah (swt).that demonstrates the universal appeal of islam and its universal sense of justice for all under One God.that by no way says that islam was influenced by jews and Christians.however our common beliefs and commonalities,we muslims do not deny them.

5.) Of all the manuscripts of the bible available it is a fact that no two are identical.besides,the new testament most ancient manuscripts are all in greek when no one of the contemporaries of Jesus spoke greek.christians would tell us the most orginal ones in Hebrew have being lost!!!ridiculous to say the least!!!!and whoever composed the video has the effrontery to claim that there are bible manuscripts while there are no Quran manuscripts from earlier periods.he either is ignorant that there is no early bible manuscripts and that there are Quran manscripts or he is deceptive.

6.) In Arabic,variation in script or strokes does not mean variation in reading.to say that the kufic script was not in use in makkah proves nothing.the kufic script was used in kufa.and kufa was conquered less than 20 years after the death of the Prophet (sa).Kufa was even the capital of the Islamic world under the caliphate of Imam Ali (as),whom the sunnis consider as fourth caliph.

7.) The person who made the video contradicted himself.he earlier claimed that there are no Quranic manuscripts but later presented evidence of those manuscripts from the days of Usthman barely 25 years after the death of the Prophet (sa).to the fool who made the video,25 years is not “ancient enough”.but when examining the bible,we find that the 27 books of the new testament did not form one book until 3 centuries after Jesus i.e. 300 years after!!!!and their authors are mostly unknown.

8.) The Quran today is the perfect copy of what was revealed to our Prophet (sa).the Quran was revealed in only one harf.whatever ahruf (letters) exist,exist only in text but not in recitation.

9.) When talking about Arabic text,the fool did not indicate that Arabic text was not perfected until very late.whatever text that existed in ancient time,that text can be written differently today but is recited the same way.the introduction of strokes and other signs in the Arabic text came late to make writing easier.but the reading is the same.there are also verses which are written in one way but pronounced in another way to fit the dialect that was prevalent in Quraysh.hence,additional strokes to indicate and make it easier for more readers to know how to pronounce the word correctly.again,that implies no change at all.

10.) The hafs is what is the dialect of the Quraysh and it was with their dialect the Quran was revealed.if you read the text as it is written,you still get the meaning and means the same;but the pronunciation of the word slightly differs.that is why all Quran are written in hafs in order for the reader to be able to recite it th Quraysh way.

11.) The claim that Muhammad (sa) could have received the Quran from a Syrian hermit is laughable.a man who prophesied future events,and exposed secrets of past events and made a lot of scientifical proven statements in the Quran could not have received it from anyone.the claim here is that the Prophet (sa) “received it”.others claim he was “taught”.others say he was “helped”.please make up your mind and tell us which guess you want to stick to.

12.) The second claim is that the monk “took him and taught him”.all that happened and his own contemporaries did not know of it.the Quran tells us that Muhammad (sa) was illiterate and could not write and was not taught.if he was,and he made that claim,everyone including his own relatives would have opposed him.

13.) It is funny how the Quran could have being copied from the bible but the Quran is free from errors and historical inaccuracies but the bible has those in abundance.

14.) There is no gospel in the time of Muhammad (sa) that was written in Arabic.the bible was translated in Arabic very late after Muhammad (sa).Waraqa knew Hebrew.Muhammad (sa) could not read or write.even if we assume for argument sake that Muhammad (sa) knew how to read and write,it is illogical to believe that he could have done that to copy contemporary and distant prophecies and knowledge and for more than 2 decades he was not caught doing that.this is a man with 9 wives and children and thousands or relatives and companions.

15.) How could Muhammad (sa) know that man was made out from a clot of congealed blood in the womb?even in English the verses of the Quran souns beautiful.you need to hear the Arabic recitation.

16.) The verse said Allah taught man the use of the pen.the person who made the video said Allah taught Muhammad (sa).and the same Quran says in a very clear and explicit verse that Muhammad (sa) was illiterate and could neither read or write and no one doubted him.

17.) We believe in what was revealed to Jesus,but unfortunately Christians do not have that.what remains of that is negligible.




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