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Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 10:39pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
billyG: Religion is evil! Religion is the opium of the gullible people.It is the Torch of the Blind! No religion can lead you to your long-fore destination!Only the TRUTH and unless you can sieve the (Wheat) TRUTH from the chaffs(false teaching,false doctrines,dogma,distortions) you are lost(Doomed) forever.not all religions are evil. What is evil about religion is hypocrisy and deception, a xteristic of WTTS which i strongly detest. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 2:30am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @JMAN05 what is the meaning of path, and what is the meaning of brighter? why should should an inspired person have a wrong understanding at times and an unspired person should have less? * is WT doctrine getting brighter or changing? were the understanding of those disciples getting brighter or changing? *would Jehovah direct a religion to promote falsehood? name the falsehood they promote and give scriptural proof on why they are false? The concept of brighter light that you're talking about doesn't apply to WT history as doctrine has not refined, but rather it changed. when something gets brighter, are their changes in the brightness? however what you said above also applies to inspired persons of bible times. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 2:48am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: what I hate is someone championing gay life as a profess xtian. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 8:29am On Sep 13, 2013 |
JMAN05:I NEVER CHAMPIONED GAY LIFESTYLE. Don't mix things up, it's one thing to be attracted to the same sex and accept it, it's another thing, to act on these unclean desires. If you want to discuss sexuality or you have any questions about it, open a new thread on that, and don't derial this one. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 8:34am On Sep 13, 2013 |
@JMAN05, Give me two scriptural examples of how Jesus' disciples' light got "brighter". Meanwhile i'll get back to your questions. Lemme do some research |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 9:29am On Sep 13, 2013 |
@JMAN05, Examples of "falsehoods" that have been discarded by jw's It was not increasing light that dictated: In the 1950's that Jesus was no longer to be worshipped; it was a fundamental teaching that was (or currently is) wrong Failed date prophecies Pyramids were prophetic of 1914 Superior authorities were Goverments - God - Governments Numerous changes to the meaning of the generation These were not clarifications - these were wrong teachings. How many wrong teachings did God allow to become part of the Bible canon? Now compare that with how many wrong teachings are contained within the Watchtower over less then 150 years. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 9:33am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Ongoing reversal of doctrine can only indicate God is not involved in these new flashes of light that later turn out to be falsehoods. Yet the Watchtower leadership claim these changes are from Jehovah, not to be questioned. “How do you react when Jehovah, the Source of spiritual enlightenment, sheds light on “the deep things of God” found in the Bible? (1 Cor. 2:10-13) We have an excellent example in the apostle Peter’s reaction when Jesus told His listeners the words of today’s text. Taking those words literally, many disciples said: “This speech is shocking; who can listen to it?” They “went off to the things behind.” But Peter said: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.” (John 6:60, 66, 68) Peter relied on God for spiritual enlightenment. When spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying Scriptural reasons for the adjustment? (Prov. 4:18)” Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013 p.17 “Of course, such development of understanding, involving “tacking” as it were, has often served as a test of loyalty for those associated with the “faithful and discreet slave.” However, progress is being made continually toward fuller appreciation of the “good news” and all that it means. It has been the experience of those who stay close to God’s organization that questions and things hard to understand are always cleared up with the passing of time. And as the light shines forth ever more clearly, how heartwarming and satisfying the way proves to be!” Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.31 When is it truth? This concept is applicable to any Christian religion similar to the Witnesses, such as Christadelphians and Church of God. Both of these have a doctrinal structure almost identical to Jehovah's Witnesses. It has equal application to Seventh-day Adventists, who started concurrently with the Witnesses from the same basic teachings of Miller. Seventh-day Adventists preach and grow at the same rate. A person raised in any of these religions is equally convinced that the "light getting brighter" will clarify things wrong with their religion. The Church of God uses the same "new light" reasoning, as shown in an experience of a member at ex-sda.com (May 2 2006): "Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong still took what seemed to me a less than candid approach. He called our Divorce & Remarriage change "new light," "new truth" which God has (finally) shown us. In other words, he subtly blamed our doctrinal error on God." So do Mormons. In an experience of a Mormon that converted to being a Jehovah's Witness, it is ironic that one of his reasons was: "I dug deeper into the teachings of my faith and also consulted with responsible Mormon Church leaders. I was told that the answers to my questions involved mysteries that one day would be solved as the light became brighter." Watchtower 2013 Feb 1 p.9 |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 11:16am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: so it is unclean and you support and live by it as a xtian? |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 11:40am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @JMAN05, they though that the kingdom was coming at the time of Jesus resurrection. (acts1:6) Peter rejected his vision concerning the gentiles as something defiled? acts 10:9-16. his spiritual light was made clearer. acts 10:34 Many among the anointed xtians thought that circumcision was still in operation. acts 15:1-5 Apolos knowledge was not bright in baptismal issue but was helped. acts 18:25-26. 1 Like |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by TofunmiAbe: 11:53am On Sep 13, 2013 |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 12:24pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Examples of "falsehoods" that have He is just like He was in the past. only if you accept that scriptural truths come gradually in sync with prov. 4:18 can you make sense. God made some truth come to light as time pass. Dan. 12:4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, + until the time of [the] end. * + Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge * will become abundant.” I only accept it when people scripturally prove the current believe of the witnesses wrong, not going back to when they have humbly admitted their mistakes. I tell you that this method makes their teaching formidable as they get closer to the "day it is firmly established." This is among the qualities that made me love the GB when I was in the church. Do you think its easy to admit a mistake? it is even hard for nairalander to admit he was wrong, not to talk of someone who occupy a prominent position. 1 Like |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 12:28pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Examples of "falsehoods" that have I repeat my question above: when something gets brighter, are their changes in the brightness? what did apolos do to his former knowledge? improved it, shey? when Peter said, CERTAINLY, I PERCEIVE that God is not partial. what did Peter now did to his former view of the gentiles? discard, change or improve? when a light gets brighter, are their some changes in your vision? those who believe in the law, what did they do to that former believe after the meeting at acts 15? all these have a miraculous gift with them and they accepted changes in their former view. how much more so a person who is not inspired and who has no miraculous gift. Ongoing reversal of He is just like He was in the past. only if you accept that scriptural truths come gradually in sync with prov. 4:18 can you make sense. God made some truth come to light as time pass. Dan. 12:4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, + until the time of [the] end. * + Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge * will become abundant.” I only accept it when people scripturally prove the current believe of the witnesses wrong, not going back to when they have humbly admitted their mistakes. I tell you that this method makes their teaching formidable as they get closer to the "day it is firmly established." This is among the qualities that made me love the GB when I was in the church. Do you think its easy to admit a mistake? it is even hard for nairalander to admit he was wrong, not to talk of someone who occupy a prominent position. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 12:56pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Tofunmi Abe: My guy, I know I read much about the witnesses online, which i have gotten good answers to, but I know that some still remains. however, I appreciate it when you make those things in the video you own let me reply you. write them out. until you do that! say "you people believe this or that, but the bible at so so so said this which contradicts it". that is a reasoning I like. that was how the witnesses were proving some of my believes in the church wrong at that time. Anything beyond that is self centeredness and unjust criticism. be constructive. You have a bible, I have a bible. the message is not mine, neither is it yours, USE GOD'S WORD TO PROVE THEM WRONG! I dont believe they have it all, though I cant bring up a good arguement to prove any of their teaching wrong, but they have greater greater percentage of truth compared to others. however, they too opine that their knowledge comes progressively. And if you watch most of my comments, you will observe that I dont present what I believe as if "it is my church's doctrine", I am convinced that this is the message from the bible. 1 Like |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Repdalton: 1:27pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
I bet yhu were neva a witness |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 2:02pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Repdalton: I bet yhu were neva a witness I assume this is directed to me. am I right? if so, your prove. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 2:23pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
@JMAN05 "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth NEVER can CONTRADICT a former truth. "New Light" NEVER extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188 now watch and see below how a former "truth" contradicts a new "truth" 1 Like |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 2:29pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES Up to 1929 “Evil as these Gentile governments have been, they were permitted or “ordained of God” for a wise purpose. (Rom. 13:1)” Studies In the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages p.250 1969- 1962 “The Superior Authorities are the Most High God Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ.” This Means Everlasting Life (1950) p.197 1962 till now “The Expression “superior authorities” means the political governments or authorities.” Life everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) p.189 2 Likes |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 2:34pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
JMAN05:quote me in any way i said i LIVE BY or SUPPORT the gaylifestyle, either expressly or implied. Am waiting for your answer |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 2:41pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
@JMAN05 yes peter discarded view of the gentiles, but he never reverted back to his former view. Now compare that with WT back and forth doctrine on superior authorities i showed you above 2 Likes |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 2:54pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
@JMAN05, the GB admits to mistakes? Seriously? After their secret link to the UN was uncovered by John bates, why did they come up with the silly excuse of library access even when there was an overwhelming body of evidence to prove otherwise. Didn't doesn't smell humility, its smells DECEPTION, MANIPULATION. Dude open your eyes and see. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 3:00pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: What the meaning of your post to which you gave your wholehearted support to a post made in it by someone. " Re: U.S. Pastor Supports Jason Collins Decision To Come Out As Gay by Yooguyz : 1:48pm On Sep 10 1000 000 likes for the above ". |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 3:07pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @JMAN05, Well I also have my prove that their affiliation was to having access to the library from which they prepare our publications. They get information from verious areas, even libraries owned by Catholic. But is for reference purposes, to get accurate info not guesswork. never are they supporting this organisations. Some bible writers may have consulted secular books before penning their canon. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 3:08pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @JMAN05, Well I also have my prove that their affiliation was to having access to the library from which they prepare our publications. They get information from verious areas, even libraries owned by Catholic. But is for reference purposes, to get accurate info not guesswork. never are they supporting this organisations. until you present your prove. Some bible writers may have consulted secular books before penning their canon. |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 4:16pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
JMAN05:Chai, see as people they fail Jamb, i asked you to quote me, you were quoting someone else, ok quote Hezrons post that made me say the above, you didn't. I think you are just looking for a desperate means to derial the thread, by witholding information, posting misleading comments about me. After all if i made any comment that supports GAY LIFESTYLE why didn't you quote me? |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 4:42pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
JMAN05:are you kidding me? Do you know that Access information provided by the UN library's system shows that a person does not need to be an "associate" NGO to obtain all information from the UN library ( check the UN website ). The 1994 and 1999-2000 DPI directories of all NGO's associated with the UN shows the name and address along with the names |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 4:52pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
W.L.Barry( a former Gb member), Ciro Aulicino and Robert Johnson. The Barry name links the approval for the partnership with the UN at the highest levels in WTTS. # i have about 6 documents in my phone to prove the above, say the word and i'll post them# |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 5:07pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
It seems like the WTS are ignoring the fact that "associate" NGO's must disseminate UN propaganda to their members and regularly report back to the UN samples of their activities in the annual reports. Infact in the 1st two years of being an "associate" they proved their loyalty to the UN, by devoting a portion of their publications to the beast's agenda. # i have the documents in my phone # |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 11:55pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
COMING TO KNOW JEHOVAH IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME, TNK U JEHOVAH FOR SHOWN ME D WAY TO LIFE.... TANK U FOR UR SPIRITED DIRECTED ORGANIZATION....THANK YOU FOR OUR WHOLE ASSOCIATION OF BROTHERS...........EVER LOYAL.....PROUDLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES! 2 Likes |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Yooguyz: 10:30am On Sep 14, 2013 |
@JMAN05, o boy! Where you go na, abi you don run? |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 5:54pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @JMAN05, Run? i dont know whether I was blocked or something. I couldnt access the compose area since you made your first post above. the information said that i should try in few hours. but even more than 24 hours i couldnt access it. Now to your point: a) they are not incorporated in the UN system. which is a prove of their intention, namely to get access to info for the magazines. b) being a member means that you have to support UN's target. which is the reason I personally think they erred. c) their being a member didnt make them to change their position to the effect that UN is still the beast. which shows that they never reneged on the truth. Now, they condenmed the UN as the beast and never changed their position. this beast is what they went to support. to this extent if you say they were wrong, you are correct. however, their mistake was corrected by others which shouldnt be. But their humble withdrawal from it is an indication that they accepted a reproved and changed. this is humility to me. On the area of saying that they dont accept their mistakes, my brother, the sun bears them witness that they openly acknowlegde many mistakes they made in theology. if you say its a lie, YOU ARE PURELY INSINCERE. and this is the point I was making above. Again, you ve not proved their current teaching wrong, which is the area that I am interested in. that someone taught one thing and supported what he spoke against indirectly is bad, however, that does not mean that their teaching on that thing is wrong (until u prove it wrong). |
Re: Am Tired Of My Religion (Jehovah's Witness). Help Me by Nobody: 5:55pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Sen Danny: COMING TO KNOW JEHOVAH IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME, TNK U JEHOVAH FOR SHOWN ME D WAY TO LIFE.... TANK U FOR UR SPIRITED DIRECTED ORGANIZATION....THANK YOU FOR OUR WHOLE ASSOCIATION OF BROTHERS...........EVER LOYAL.....PROUDLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES! My bro this is the truth. dont shake. |
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