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Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by koruji(m): 2:22am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Apart from the case of impotense affecting our FG, the other problem with Nigeria is this stubborn blind-spot we have developed. Just as it was appalling that some christian leaders expressly declared Islamic Banking unacceptable, it is equally appalling that these muslim leaders want to defend "Islamic banking in Nigeria with the last drop of their blood". This is truly sad because: 1. Done properly, the introduction of Islamic banking is not something that even needed to be defended, talkless with the last drop of their blood. 2. It is not really worth the effort. The banking system doesn't provide you with free money, it is a business and you must pay returns on any money that you borrow, whatever name it is called. Now they are introducing "last drop of blood" even as BH is shedding innocent blood over another non-issue. Attempts to pass national resources through the backdoor into Islamic banks is the only thing that can generate katakata. The the people that matter in finding common-ground among our people are behaving like entrenched enemies. Look at the double-speak on BH as well: "called on the Joint Task Force (JTF) to operate within the ambit of law and urged the Federal Government to respect the wishes of the elders and leaders of Borno State and withdraw the JTF soldiers, in order to pave way for genuine resolution of the Boko Haram problem." http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/25572-muslim-leaders-vow-to-defend-islamic-banking |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 2:32am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Koruji, Let's be serious, the attention and blame is wrongly placed. Who is Sanusi's boss? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by jmaine: 2:33am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Commenting o the post-election crisis, they said the crisis was believed to have been pre-planned and pre-meditated in southern Ka-duna, well ahead of election. ^ One word . . . wow!! to whoever wrote this stuff above . . . Just revealed an on going plot |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 2:36am On Jul 25, 2011 |
When Sharia was instituted few years ago it was only possible so because the boss (Obasanjo) dropped the ball. If Gej drops the ball Islamic bank will be institued, not because Moslems supports it but because he "enabled" it. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Nobody: 2:52am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: what is your take on the discriminative measure isalmic banking will take? Do you support it? If Jonathan drops the bomb on islamic banking, will you be mad? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by koruji(m): 2:54am On Jul 25, 2011 |
A public official has the responsibility to be responsible Sanusi could easily have been the president of this country - is that how he would have behaved. His office is one of the largely independent arms of governance. The blame is squarely on Sanusi for his handling of this issue, but the FG, both executive & legislature, are supposed to step in. Religious leaders are supposed to be the unofficial go to guys when the official capacities to manage a potential crisis fails - but in this case they are the ones first to take off their garbs for a fight!!! GEJ is aware that this is a trap, and so is quiet. GEJ doesn't really have the leeway to sack him until his terms is finished. What about the collective assembly of 360 men & women called the legislature. They recently called SLS to a "hearing" - and all they were allowed to do by the leadership was hear SLS speak - no questions, no comments, nothing. Despite all that, the blame is on SLS. He has gone about this in such a manner as to be validly accused of a hidden agenda. Negro_Ntns: |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by jmaine: 3:15am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Another interesting quote below . . . The Sharia council full blast is on the punch website . . . http://punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201107252441462 Let those wearing cassocks stop disturbing our peace. Gentlemen (journalists), being peaceful doesn’t mean we are cowards. We warn them to stop disturbing our peace if they want us to live together in Nigeria. Everybody can go his way; we don’t have to live together. We can’t live under people dictating to us how we should live our lives even within the laws of the country. They have being the one doing the exact thing with their sharia laws and demands . . . |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by koruji(m): 4:03am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Completely irresponsible set of buffoons. What has war got to do with the matter? Quote: "The council said, “Jaiz bank has come to be and there is nothing they (Christian leaders) can do about it and if we have to go to war on this, we’ll go to war." & “We’ll meet fire with fire if they make the Jaiz bank impossible. Let them leave us alone. If they want us to live in Nigeria peacefully as we want to do, then let them respect our rights as we concede to them their own rights.” Is this not the same Jaiz bank that had a licence for ages without being able to get off the ground. This time, thanks to the irresponsibility of SLS, if it doesn't get off the ground they will blame christian leaders and "go to war"? If I were GEJ, I will conduct a coup on my own government and split the country into 7 sovereign nations - seriously. Read the article below - [size=14pt]but note that it was from JAIZ BANK in 2009[/size] http://www.sapphirecapital.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=islamfinance&action=display&thread=2796 jmaine: |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 4:03am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Koruji, pls bear with me I will respond I had a pending matter that carried over and need to attend to that first. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 4:49am On Jul 25, 2011 |
<quote> what is your take on the discriminative measure isalmic banking will take? </quote> There can be aspects of it that non-moslems will regard as discriminative. But that's general, I can respond more satisfactorily if you narrow it down to maybe top five suspects. I also want to share that we be careful in the choice of words and the meaning in content, not necessariy the definition of the word, but rather the social applicatiuon of the word. Discriminate will infer that people are turned away who ordinary qualify. So for example we all know that an Islamic should not and will not loan money to invest in a beer parlour. That category does not ordinarily qualify and so if someone's application was rejected on that basis, is that discrimination? Some people will say yes. <quote> Do you support it? If Jonathan drops the bomb on islamic banking, will you be mad? </quote> Of course I support Islamic bank any day. It is the cleanest and most community friendly bank there is. Look, political leaders are talking about enviromental friendly concepts, the community is an environment. Personally I don't think Sanusi should have launched it the way he arrogantly did. Our leaders generally are not taught leadership skills. A person graduates, gets a job and a position and develop skills aloing the way navigating around obstacles and learning from the experiences. No one is tutored about the delicacies and finesse of human interaction and the power of communication. The best negotiators and most effective and successful leaders are those who understand the need to reach out and touch another person using their EQ (emotional quotient) to bridge and acknowledge the soul's desire for acceptance. Our studies and training focuses too much on the relevance and importance of IQ and none on EQ. Consequently when we are required to step away from the papers and the computers and console and comfort and heal one another we fail, we respond mechanically rather than intuitively. We don't have a human connectuion to one another. Sanusi, as a prince and a Islamic scholar, ought to have these competencies and apply them. The fact he did not suggests he is himself executing an higher order required of him. There is no question in my mind on what Gej ought to do on this matter. He has a legitimate and perfectly placed opportunity to facilitate and call a non-informal meeting of traditional leaders, governors, military leaders and sample their opinion on the national question. He should ask their help to hold everything else that's on the national agenda pending a draft response from the leaders. There are many powers available to him to block Sanusi, but there is no need for esclation on issues that can effectively be resolved through communication and negotiation. Power and force should be kept in the back pocket for when they are truly needed. This can be resolved without taking a turf position which makes deliberations difficult later on. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 5:15am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Koruji, I understand that functionally the CBN is at arms length from other cabinets but organizationally the governor is appointed by a higher authority and that authority is who I meant. I will be honest you, we have a stalemate already on this matter. You said something about when talks break down religious leaders are often approached for mediation. Are you serious? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Nobody: 6:28am On Jul 25, 2011 |
christians and muslims can neva live togeda, pls divided dis gat-dem country now! |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Nobody: 6:41am On Jul 25, 2011 |
There can be aspects of it that non-moslems will regard as discriminative. But that's general, I can respond more satisfactorily if you narrow it down to maybe top five suspects. Yes Sanusi said there will be provision for non muslims if the "sharia banking" is discriminating against them. Negro_Ntn, this isn't about Muslims vs Xtians but rather Nigerians against those in support of sharia. There are muslims who run bars and clubs. If Muslims follow Isa, he turned water into wine shouldn't that explain Isa's non discriminating act on drinking? Of course I support Islamic bank any day. It is the cleanest and most community friendly bank there is. Look, political leaders are talking about environmental friendly concepts, the community is an environment. How is islamic banking an environmentally friendly concept? That is rather a very very warped logic, Dude seriously? I don't follow rhetorics, they tickle lack of objectivity. Why can't Sanusi continue with non interest banking? why does he have to add Islamic banking? Non interest banking didn 't start with Islam and wasn't exclusive to Islam neither was it invented by Mohamed. Why islamic banking since it was originally a borrowed idea? You have to drop religious bias and think Nigeria as this issue will further divide our economy. NON interest loaning wasn't an islamic practice. It was practiced in Egypt, China and even by the Jews. China, Egypt and Babylon all existed before Islam and they practiced non interest loaning. Even Xtians in rome weren't allowed to collect Usury (interest) of any kind and that religion came before Islam, Sanusi, as a prince and a Islamic scholar, ought to have these competencies and apply them. The fact he did not suggests he is himself executing an higher order required of him. Now, you have a case of manipulation here. So you admit Sanusi isn't acting alone and shouldn't this tell you there is a hidden agenda to this? That alone as a Yoruba son should make you put on your thinking hat, We can have a banking system conducive for islamic practices but not with hidden agenda of this one, What you should be supporting is non interest banking which the muslims can also use, Not to further divide d economy, Now answer this question: Who pays the interest on money borrowed from IMF for projects that benefits Nigerian in general? In those Sharia states where Islamic banking will be popular, who pays the interest? It is non muslims who pays interest, When FG borrows money to fund projects in different area and is expected to pay back interests by the world bank, Sharia farmers can borrow the money without interest while others banking with conventional banks will have to pay the interest rates, This is a divisive means really. It is not a guaranteed possibility that state govt won't invest in Sharia banking and the moment that happens, cheating becomes the order of the day again just like revenue allocation now it will be interest allocation, |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by texazzpete(m): 7:00am On Jul 25, 2011 |
When you have Christian leaders telling the dominant religion in Nigeria that the name of their religion is 'poison', what else do you expect? Answer me this SIMPLE question: If it is called 'Islamic Banking' all over the world and then suddenly in Nigeria Christian leaders are demanding it be called something else, is it not going to cause intense suspicion and resentment in the Muslim community in Nigeria? Is it not tantamount to OFFICIAL acceptance and propagation of the 'muslim = terrorist' stereotype? The same people that were claiming Buhari made inciting comments are the ones keeping mum while the CAN folk have made these sort of unwise statements. Now we're in the escalation stage. Let's hope we don't all suffer for this. [img]http://www.latribune.fr/img/30-1193982-0/296049-img-27939-hr.jpg.jpg[/img] |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by EzeUche(m): 7:03am On Jul 25, 2011 |
We do not want Islamic banking in Nigeria. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by texazzpete(m): 7:14am On Jul 25, 2011 |
EzeUche: You aren't a muslim |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Akanbiedu(m): 7:37am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Long overdue. Those trying to blame Sanusi should direct their blames towards the CAN. CAN is the culprit. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by jaguda(m): 7:49am On Jul 25, 2011 |
texazzpete: 1. Where is the statistics that says ISLAM is the dominant religion in Nigeria? or u just pluck figures from the sky or u want to tell us you don't know that 49% of Northern Nigerians are Christians, from Kano to Kaduna, to Gombe, Bauchi, Sokoto , Kebbi and the others, even Zamfara? the fact that the Christians hardly get into political offices do not make Islam the dominant religion. 2. CAN officials have been making unwise statements about the Islamic banking, abi? Has it resulted in any mosque burnt or any muslim killed in a christian dominated community? and u wonder why muslims are stereotyped as terrorists? 3. Islamic Banking is practiced in Britain, USA and Canada, as you say, but do NIGERIANS have the same tolerance value system as these countries? When Govt officials compare Nigeria to these countries, u flare and complain but u do the same now to buttres a point that does not exist. Can the British, USA and Canadian Muslim get away with the atrocities committed by Nigerian Muslims given the same conditions? Sanusi is beginning to be a problem to the Project Nigeria just like the inactivity/ lack of response by GEJ, to this issue. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by juman(m): 7:58am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Live let others live. Opposition against islamic banking is unnecessary. This is happening because of level of our development. There is no way islamic banking will islamitise the nation. They know this. Our leaders keep deceiving us that we are one. Surely nobody trust the other. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Ekiti1: 8:10am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Although CAN has been bad mouthing islamic banking, they never use the word "WAR". The press release above reeks of many hidden agenda. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 8:12am On Jul 25, 2011 |
9ja, You are chopping my statements out of their block to fire your thoughts at me. I can relate with how you feel on this issue generally but do me a favor, I need you to read to understand, and not read to respond. First, on Sharia. If you accept an invitation to come skydiving with me and its your first time you will enjoy the plane ride on take off and look ahead to the adventure but as we get further away frm take off fear will begin to show in your appearance and when we get to the launch altitude and bearing you will be tense, unsure and needing reassurance. The more jumps we do together in a tandem the more safer and confident you get until you are ready to do a solo jump, then the fear returns but this time of being by yourself. In every new encounter there is the fear of the unknown. There is nothing harmful in Sharia. What we ought to fear is the people that execute laws over us and lead us, not the laws themselves. The people The Nigerian moslem is no more of a devil than his christian counterpart. A theory of physical motion in physics said "to every action in one direction there is equal reaction in opposite direction" Be mindful that its only a theory and at the minimum that theory is true. How about at the maximum? The possibilities cover to wide of a range to be listed. Therefore our leaders need to be careful and not stalemate into turf lines. On Jesus and wine We lie to ourselves in order to get intoxicated and misbehave and then lie on Jesus about it. Remember that the translated Bible we read was not revealed or written in English language or Latin or Greek. It was originally written in Old Hebrew and then translated to about two or three more languages before english. In certain languages exact match in words and meaning are not possible and the closest in meaning has to be substituted. The wine meant in the Bible is not the liquor we call wine today. It is blasphemous to attribute Jesus (SAW) name to any substance that make a man act ugly in his character towards another human. Bible did not sanction consumption of liquor and neither does Quran. During the age of abolition here in America liquor was banned because it was destroying families but capitalists fought and won it back into the bars. On non-interest banking It was not borrowed by Islam, it was mandated for moslems. The bank is not going to be called Islamic banking, its name is Jaiz banking. Now, as far as its function, you said christians practiced it (non-interest banking) as well, then there is no problem with this one. I still believe the nation and the people have misplaced priorities here. I don't care how much people talk and chatter about this thing the North have made up their mind and in the latest report I read they hinted that they need it for their region and it should be tolerated for them as co owners in Nigeria but if its not possible to co exist then to go separate ways. You see we Southerners talk about Northerners being dumb. No, we are dumb!!, they are smart. They have hinted right there in that report their flexibility to stay or split. Yet, instead of people jumping on Gej neck to get in action, we are still chattering about how bad Sanusi is. There are many events that change overnight and cause them to change mind about leaving, they did it before! So, my brother, drop this talk about Islamic banking and start opening posts about National question (SNC) in view of the North's invitation to it. Or do you not agree? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by mathskill: 8:21am On Jul 25, 2011 |
The renowned global financial intelliegence magazine, The Banker, a publication of the Financial Times of London, has conferred on Mallam Sanusi Lamido Sanusi double awards. The awards are the Central Bank Governor of the Year for the entire world, and that of the African continent.[3] The TIME magazine also listed Sanusi in its TIMES 100 list of most influential people of 2011[4] If you refuse to recognize excellence amongst because of prejudice,sentiment and hatred others will |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Sike(m): 8:24am On Jul 25, 2011 |
juman: |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by isleman(m): 8:27am On Jul 25, 2011 |
i don't have any problem with Islamic bank as it is, but its the consequences that matters to me. We live in a country with vast and majority of people are illiterates who cant reason properly. My concerns are: 1. why should be called Islamic bank? will this bring about the oneness we are preaching in this country? 2. If its to be called Islamic bank and it existed elsewhere before, why would anyone one to defend it with last drop of their blood? why not torch it and educate others. It is clear some people are not happy with GEJ as president and will do anything to bring unrest and that is why we need to rethink. ARE WE REALLY ONE? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Knight1(m): 8:32am On Jul 25, 2011 |
WHENEVER VIOLENCE AND ISLAM ARE MENTIONED IN THE THE SAME BREATHE, THERE IS ALWAYS CRIES HERE AND THERE BY THE MOSLEMS CLAIMING THIS AND THAT. NOW THE SUPREME COUNCIL HAS SANCTIONED THE POSSIBLE USE OF VIOLENCE IN A MATTER AS SIMPLE AS NON-INTEREST BANKING. SHAME!!!! (AT LEAST ON THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF SHARIA AFFAIRS) BTW I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ACTUALLY AGAINST NON-INTEREST BANKING AS A METHOD OF BANKING, IT IS THAT SLS IS SO STUPID OR NAIVE OR BOTH TO EMPHASIS A RELIGION IN THE SYSTEM OF THE BANKING WHEN HE FULLY UNDERSTANDS THE TENSION AND MISTRUST BETWEEN THE TWO MOST PROMINENT RELIGIONS IN NIGERIA. CHRISTIANS STARTED WHAT IS KNOWN TODAY AS ONLINE BANKING; DOES ANYBODY CALL IT CHRISTIAN BANKING? I'M JUST VERY DISAPPOINTED BY THE QUIET STANCE OF JONATHAN IN A MATTER THAT IS SO LOUDLY DISCUSSED IN THE COUNTRY HE GOVERNS. ALSO, CAN THE SUPREME COUNCIL TRULY HONESTLY SAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T OPPOSE (AND PERHAPS VIOLENTLY TOO) IF IT WAS CHRISTIANS THAT HAD SUCH AN INTRODUCTION INTO THE NATION'S SYSTEM OF BANKING? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by odedele: 8:39am On Jul 25, 2011 |
now d JIHAD cortesy sanusi had just begun. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by gressy2nv: 8:39am On Jul 25, 2011 |
What is wrong with these guys?what has blood got to do with this.cant they resolve anything without sheeding blood.i wonder how they reason. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by dustydee: 8:40am On Jul 25, 2011 |
texazzpete:don't forget that the same people that allowed islamic banking also allowed miss world to hold without anyone being killed. The isssue here is tolerance which is far from nigerians. I was in support of this thing but reading the comments of SCSN i don't think it's what i thought it was. Go to war because of a bank? What a belief. some said it should be called non interest banking, will i be given a loan if i want to go into pig farming? |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Nobody: 8:49am On Jul 25, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: Well, for me all I drink is palm wine and generally white wine nothing more, I know a whole lot of people that gets drunk and no it doesn't make them want to kill you or violation etc, An evil man is evil no matter what. Whether drunk or not, About American ban on liquor, it has a lot to do with religion and really the alcohol evil effects doesn't apply a huge population in the world, On Sharia: The discrimination against women, killing for adultery, limiting women's potential, Are those not bad to you? I told you on the other thread Islam was hijack long before even mohamed tried to introduce it as islam, What we have is Arabic culture not spirituality at all, if you don't wanna listen, well, you may not be the one to reform the religion then, Arab women were the ones covering their heads etc, even before Islam, Praying to the Babylonian gods required women to cover their heads too, All these long before Islam. Please please read about Babylonian/Persian Medes, Lydia etc, Read please, you'll know Islam was hijacked before it became accpeted, A man who stole gets his hand cut off but the truth is, he can't work with one hand and has more possibility of stealing again, Knowing you by your comments, you won't listen, I get sick in the house and only me and my sister are in the house, in Nigeria where ambulance is slow or not available, because a woman is forbidden from driving, does that mean I have to die? Reason objectively I don't support Xtians either so arguing that Xtians are as evil as Muslims are isn't relevant to me as it isn't to the argument. Jamie stole my money and while he got caught said John did the same too. Does that mean Jamie was right? Let's be objective here seriously!!! About secession, let's be honest, no one knows what to do but everyone knows we have to go our separate ways, Nigeria isn't divided yet so whatever affects Nigeria affects all of us!! I was never against Islamic banking seeing that since Nigeria is seculiar, they can have Sharia banking but my problem is the fact govt is getting involved in it, and the timing, |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by isleman(m): 8:52am On Jul 25, 2011 |
mathskill: sanusi should show his own people better. he should know what kind of impact such will cause the nation and his people who are always wanting to have a go at one another. you and i know, it wont cause a itch, but look at what its causing now. sanusi is heating the system right now. some of his reforms are coming at the wrong time. |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by Swagahyk(m): 9:03am On Jul 25, 2011 |
This issue is just what this country needs. Support Islamic banking with the last drop of your blood, while we say no with the last drop of our blood too. Aluta continua, |
Re: Muslim Leaders Vow To Defend Islamic Banking by NegroNtns(m): 9:25am On Jul 25, 2011 |
9ja, I am very knowledgble in the Sharia. I see your knowledge of it is based on hearsay. Women are protected under Sharia. I don't know where you get this info about Sharia disriminates against women. Men generally want to subdue women and they will find excuse to do so. There is nowhere in the islamic jurispudence that disriminates on women. When a woman commits adultery, if tried and convicted the man she had the adulterous intercourse with if also tried and cconvicted, then both of them are punished. It will be discriminative if she was singled out for the punishment. On theft, do you know how many families have been ruined in Nigeria by armed robbers? Our law is pside down. In Saudi when prayer is called you don't need to lock your shop to step away to mosque for prayers. You leave everything as is and when you come back it is still as you left it. That's because they have law that takes of that. Can a trader do that here in Nigeria? |
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