Martian:

Democratic socialism will do a lot of good in Nigeria. Capitalism with progressive taxes and a broad social safety net could transfrom Nigeria. But since God isn't included in the mix, you'll probably reject it.

Nazis killed people because of their ethnicity and religion. When did Tai Solarin do something like that?

mazaje:

Stop telling lies. . . . .Here is what the article says. . ."His humanism had led him to express a fondness for the governments of China and the U.S.S.R., because of their socialist guarantees of free medicine and education for all. But he still upholds the ideals of freedom and democracy".

nanidee:

well said!!

Kenezi:


Nazi Germany also had free healthcare and free education. Do you admire them for that? Do a little research on him, he was a committed Marxist.

all4naija:

What's soul? Your imagination of heaven and hell is impractical and your doctrine limit the power of God. Go back and read you religion book you will find out that they are just human imagination and traditions. It is sad many people are not willing to hear this. Human beings possess the energy to interact with its environment that doesn't mean it is supernatural. Just like the way you would receive a call from USA - if you have no single idea of how it operate you would deem it a miracle but it is a simple law in nature.

Please, it is sad Nigerians are still very backward in this regard, nonetheless, the way they defend religion with impractical evidences baffles me!

isquar3d3:

, and even in an environment with an atheist like Tai, God was stil able 2 raise up a man 2 prove that he is GOD. Read Pastor W.F. Kumuyi's story about his time in Mayflower, his struggle between believing all d philosophy dat had been planted in his head and how God was stil able 2 prove 2 him dat He existed. Only a supreme being can take an indoctrinated man and turn him around.

mazaje:

Save all those crazy talk of emotional outburst to yourself. . . .And who made Fredrick Nietzsche an authority over atheism?. . .Enough of your lies about religion preaching love and kindness. Some religions do preach love and kindness but yours does NOT. The religion that you subscribe to does NOT preach that at all and there evidence the world over for all to see. . . .There are many people that subscribe to your religion the world over  that are killing others as a religious duty and chanting the name of your imaginary God while reading the Koran and getting inspiration from it at the same time advocating violence against others the world over, no?. . . . .

mazaje:

From wikipedia which talks about religion under Nazism. It states that "The German census of May 1939 indicates that 54 percent of Germans considered themselves Protestant and 40 percent considered themselves Catholic, with only 3.5 percent claiming to be neo-pagan "believers in God," [b]and 1.5 percent unbelievers. [/b]This census came more than six years into the Hitler era"

mazaje:

Nazism is an atheistic movement yet almost all its members during that period who carried out all the evil were self professing Christians. How ironic,only a fraction of the population at that time were atheist, over 98 percent were God believers and they were the ones that did the damage. . Nietzsche ideas and philosophy represent his ideas and philosophy as an individual alone, it doesn't represent the world view of atheist the world over if it did atheist the world over will be promoting his ideas . So what if Hitler dad was a skeptic? Hitler had publicly stated that he was a Christian many times. . . .

mazaje:

And the atheist religious text which advocates violence and whom all atheist live by was written by who? The same religious text also teach war and destruction, no? Love and kindness have nothing to do with religion and that is a well known fact, religion does NOT promote love or kindness if it does religious societies will be full of love and kindness but the exact opposite is what holds sway. You don't have to go too far, take a look at northern Nigeria, which is one of the most ethno-religious society in the world and see how the love and kindness of religion has helped the people living there. . . .  Before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, no?

mazaje:

I live in a completely atheist society and many people from Muslims countries are running here in large numbers trying to seek a better life and a better future for themselves here. . . .The atheist society I in live in is post religious, and as such many of the slaves of Allah are running away from the middle east and places like Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan where they have had enough of the kind of love and kindness your religion teaches to come here and live much better lives than the one obtainable in the Islamic nations.

mazaje:

So because one man who happens to be an atheist believed in social Darwinism means all atheist believe in social Darwinism? How absurd. . . . I live in a completely atheist society that has the highest number of gun holders in the world per capita, yet it remains one of the countries with one of the lowest gun crimes or murders in the world. . . .So tell me where is your senseless correlation between social Darwinism, atheism and violence? Again I ask you who made  Fredrick Nietzsche an authority over other atheists and what they believe and why are atheistic societies like the one I live in not violent or living under social Darwinism? When was the last time you personally heard any atheist advocating violence in the name of atheism?. . . .Stop grasping at straws. . . .

mazaje:

Whatever. . . . Nietzsche provided the ideological frame work for the evils of Nazism as you put it, but it was the Christians with the love and kindness their religion teaches that carried out the evil acts of the atheist right? How absurd. . . .Again, why are atheistic societies like the one I live and many others around me not practicing social Darwinism, if that is what atheism teaches as are you are trying to say? You clearly do not know what you are talking about. . . . .

vedaxcool:


Who made Osama an authority in anything or Muslims that have gone against Islamic teachings an authority in anything? When you can prove to me that you apply your "logics" the same way you pretend to apply it here., we will have to settle that Nietzche is an atheist authority.

How does Nazsim being an atheistic movement that is anti - religious be refuted by your census results? Pls bound yourself by rational parameters, it owuld have made more sense if you had say that it is not an atheistic movement,but evidence shows clearly that nazsim was clearly under the influence of Nietzhce.

Your atheist credentials are in doubt indeed, Hitler spoke secretly of his hatred for Christianity, he was christian when it serve his political agenda, I understand that this information is common for anybody to get.

I can only repeat my earlier response: Cheap ignorance is what you are displaying, and i am still going to start a thread to show ignorant atheist like you self how peaceful atheism actually is. Thank goodness, there are religious text for all to read, which clearly shows the precedence of love and kindness in religion generally, thank goodness the so called atheist society which you live in was clearly influenced by religious influence. I wonder if atheism is so peaceful, why do we read certain atheist  like Nietzsche begging for violence and promoting wickedness, but trust this will always be overlooked by "objective" atheists. 

only one who suffer from cheap ignorance will pretend that Nigeria issue is not a mix of serious problems, stemming from poverty, political interest,ethnicty, greed, religion etc, but because you cannot focus on my point but prefer counter accusation as a means of showing your famed "rationality",as my pint is clear there exist countless examples of atheists surpporting violence with useless doctrines, and o display wanton ignorance, you said before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, only shows how "intelligent" you are as, any common reading of history will indicate that there was conflict, conflicts always arise when there is something to fight over, this is why the low thinking of Tai Solarin failed him, you cannot take the human factor for granted, Humans will tend to ignore values that he practice when the prevailing situation does not favor him, Pagan society was quiet vicious, as they did things as abominable as murdering Twins, sacrificing people etc such violence cannot be over looked by objective individual, so also we can not overlook at how atheist movements inspired massacres such as Nazsim, in the USSR. but hey, you are too emotional to even comprehend anything.

It seem this atheist society does not have a name? You make a good morning laugh indeed, atheism that lives on law propounded by religion, lol!

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

Atheist society with no name? The bulk of the German society suffered from nationalism fever, that was why they could easily have fooled to have followed Neiztche foolery, Nietzsche remains an atheist authority based on your form of thinking. Yes the crimes were committed by Christians but Niezche provided the "rational" Basis for their actions. Thank you.

mazaje:

Who mentioned Osama any where?. . . . .Most of the Muslims the world over that believe in killing others as a religious duty get their inspirations and commandments from the Koran, no? When was the last time you heard any atheist killing any body in the name of atheism? Your religious book encourages people to fight others that do not believe in its lies and the silly way of life it promotes,no?. . . . .

"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

 

We know how "objective" athiest can be, not only will they isolate single verses for their godless intentions, in reading the Qur'an, verses are not to be read in isolation, from the above you see how a myopic atheist reads his own interpretation into the verse, the verse indicates that protecting oneself from danger is a must, defending ones right is a must, further reading the verse below:


"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." [Noble Quran 4:75]

Note how this lame athiest has perpetually refused to address the issues raised instead, keeps deflecting the matters at hand, thank goodness, Nietzche is not my invention, Nieztche argued agaisnt Morality, by questioning the "abitrary" classifciation of Good and evil, hence his was simply re - enacting what atheist say, they live by ethic (which happen to fall from the sky ), he further said "". . . evil impulses are just as useful. . . as the good".

mazaje:

[i]Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

mazaje:

Here is your imaginary God through the pen of deluded Arab savages giving injunctions to men and prescribing fight for them. . .The same imaginary impotent God that can do nothing is seen in another verse urging people to fight for him. . . .I wonder why a God that can do all things urge people to fight on his cause. . . Why not just wipe his enemies himself since he has all the power. . . .

mazaje:

Nazism is an atheistic movement that was practiced by which group of theist? over 98percent of the Nazi's were God believers, so what the heck are you talking about?

mazaje:

He has never declared he was an atheist. . . .Besides he got some of his inspirations to exterminate the Jews from the writings of Martin Luther,no?

mazaje:

Name one atheist society that upholds the doctrine of social Darwinism
Firstly the Pagans are not atheist, but religious people that believe in one God or many Gods, they were sacrificing people unto their Gods. Your religion is not better than any pagan religion and your God not better than theirs in any way since all the said Gods exist only in the imaginations of you God believers. . .The bible it self contains passages where Yahweh encouraged people to sacrifice humans unto him. . . So what the heck are you saying?. . . . .Atheist movement inspired massacres such as Nazism you said, eh? . . . . .How many atheist were part of the Nazi movement that committed the evil?

mazaje:

Firstly, democracy was NOT propound by any religion, equality of the sexes was not propound by any religion, freedom of speech was not propound by any religion, equal rights for every body regardless of race or intimate orientation was not propound by any religion, so I really don't know what you are talking about. . . .Cos the things that I listed are the law of the land I live in. . . .Your religion is sexist, Homophobic, and against free speech, so I wonder what you are talking about. .  .

mazaje:

No where did I mention Osama any where, by the way Osama is already dead but many Muslims the world over are still killing others as a religious duty because of the inspiration they get from the Koran, the injunction to kill is in the Koran and that is where they all get their inspirations form. . . .Did you watch the recently released Boko Haram video  where the announcer stared by reading verses in the Koran that talks about Allah disliking the unbelievers and other verses that say that unbelievers are supposed to die? It was posted on nairaland some here in the political section go and watch it. . . .

mazaje:

Nietzsche remains an atheist ideology as you said yet you can't point to any atheist society that lives according to its philosophy. Those that did were Christians. . . . .What a joke. . . . .

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the Last time I checked Nieztche was an atheist not an Ideology, but hey, do we expect you to even carry a book to read and educate yourself, plase do read, rather than embarrassing us with your ignorance, I feel deeply ashamed of your wanton display of ignorance. Thank you.

mazaje:

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Not how daft hi source is, they again isolated the verse a second time, and further half quote the verse, 004.075
YUSUFALI: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

this verse occurs before the one the atheist site quoted, yet, this deluded individual claim objectivity, yes only they are quite objective in an nonobjective way.

mazaje link=topic=723007.msg8819224#msg8819224 date=1312012280:

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"[quote]


Not how daft hi source is, they again isolated the verse a second time, and further half quote the verse, 004.075
YUSUFALI: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

this verse occurs before the one the atheist site quoted, yet, this deluded individual claim objectivity, yes only they are quite objective in an nonobjective way.

vedaxcool:

 

We know how "objective" athiest can be, not only will they isolate single verses for their godless intentions, in reading the Qur'an, verses are not to be read in isolation, from the above you see how a myopic atheist reads his own interpretation into the verse, the verse indicates that protecting oneself from danger is a must, defending ones right is a must, further reading the verse below:

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." [Noble Quran 4:75]

Note how this lame athiest has perpetually refused to address the issues raised instead, keeps deflecting the matters at hand, thank goodness, Nietzche is not my invention, Nieztche argued agaisnt Morality, by questioning the "abitrary" classifciation of Good and evil, hence his was simply re - enacting what atheist say, they live by ethic (which happen to fall from the sky ), he further said "". . . evil impulses are just as useful. . . as the good".

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YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

this verse again interpret what it is meant, but trust atheist, Satan has sat on their brains that they objectively lie to prove their points.

Well Nietzsche remains an authority and a point of reference for atheist explanation of their (misguided) view. One won't be surprise if some people became atheist for a green pass.

I am wasting valuable time in educating you, I showed you that Hitler was a Christian as long as it serve his political objective, your 98% seems to be your own invention, you are a mere joke in intellectual circles.

I am wasting my time educating you, like i said before he was simply being political, Oh he got his idea of massacre from the heartless advise of Nietzsche, who even criticize human kindness, no? no? Hatred of Jews was a fad in Europe then,Hitler simply played on their hatred by feeding own their nationalism and myopia.

I see you became an atheist to get a green pass, how pathetic, it seems this athiest society of yours does not have a name, may be in HIGH LAND does what you say exist, only one who suffers from wanton ignorance would deny that the the society he lives in eas not influence by religion, only a cassava eating illiterate will pretend that rights, fell from the sky, and then found its way to atheists, it is indeed laughale how "intecllectual" u are. 

I am forced to aviod replying your illogical response by restating my point:

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

vedaxcool:

the Last time I checked Nieztche was an atheist not an Ideology, but hey, do we expect you to even carry a book to read and educate yourself, plase do read, rather than embarrassing us with your ignorance, I feel deeply ashamed of your wanton display of ignorance. Thank you.

mazaje:

This is always the lame excuse. . .I laugh in Arabic. . . .

mazaje:

I  quoted Quran (2:216)  which says that fighting is prescribed for Muslims, and they dislike it yet you come around fraudulently quoting Quran 4:75 as a further reading of the verse? I quoted from verse 2 and you quoted from verse 4 and call it a further reading of the verse?. . .You are a joke. . . .

mazaje:

How many atheist today are living according to Nietzsche philosophy or promoting it? Name one atheist society today that is promoting Nietzsche philosophy or forever shut up mouth up. . .  .By the way ethics are created by humans. No God has ever created any code or moral code of ethics. . .People create these systems and ascribe it to their various Gods. . . .The evidence is everywhere. . . .

mazaje:

When was the last time you saw Allah personally administering strict punishment on any body or group of persons? Last time I checked it was people that were figting for Allah and killing others they believed wrong him, no? The fact is Allah is imaginary and as such people who created that idea (Allah) are the ones that are always fighting and killing others for his cause. . . .You are completely deluded. . .

mazaje:

Who is satan, have you ever seen him? What does he look like and what language does he speak? Pls tell me how satan looks like. . .The confidence with which these deluded goons go about spewing age long mythologies with confidence is really mind boggling. . .What language does satan speak and how does he look like? Does he have bears?. . .

mazaje:

Who made him and atheist authority? You?. . . .

mazaje:

Educating me?. . . 

mazaje:

Which atheist society do you know that presently practice or promote Nietzsche philosophy and ideology?

mazaje:

Rights were made by humans, man-lover rights and animal rights for example were rights that were passed in most European countries not long ago. . .All laws and moral code of conduct were created by men and not Gods that is why they are not objective, they vary from place to place and are always evolving. . . .

mazaje:

Osama is NOT the only Muslim that believe in killing others as a religious duty. . .The Koran sanctions the killing of others as a religious duty and many Muslims the world over are still killing others as a religious duty in line with the teachings of the Koran. . .

vedaxcool:

Words of an Ignoramus

We know who the clown is, as there is an Islamic methodology of reading the Qur'an, no amount of atheist ignorance will change that, in reading the Qur'an one must take cognizance of the fact, that certain verse explain other verse, that is the way the qur'an is read, Isolating verses for your myopic aims only shows the small mindedness of atheism, that is, a misguidance based on perverting the truth.

Your indeed too ignorant for me to take your words seriously,  The effect of Nietzche philosophy is clear on humanity, and one thing it exposes is that the Hypocritical atheist will not tell you that you do not need to believe in God to do the worst acts of evils or even adovocate for wickedness, reading your response we keep seeing the Nietzsche in you. If because a Christian or muslim commits an act of violence indicts religion, then Nietzsche indicts the whole of atheism.

this verse again interpret what it is meant, but trust atheist, Satan has sat on their brains that they objectively lie to prove their points. I am happy that i exposed the Liars atheist are, they twist verses to prove their ungodliness what a pity.

Well Nietzsche remains an authority and a point of reference for atheist explanation of their (misguided) view. One won't be surprise if some people became atheist for a green pass.

ALLAH does not guide the haughty!

Nietzsche remains an indictment on atheism and they are many like him.

Incoherent response, may i repeat my response; I see you became an atheist to get a green pass, how pathetic, it seems this athiest society of yours does not have a name, may be in HIGH LAND does what you say exist, only one who suffers from wanton ignorance would deny that the the society he lives in is not influence by religion, only a cassava eating illiterate will pretend that rights, fell from the sky, and then found its way to atheists, it is indeed laughable how "intellectual" u are.

vedaxcool:

I am forced to avoid replying your illogical response by restating my point:

Yes how absurd, it is to use the Osama, religion related violence etc to judge religion, I am simply gradually exposing the Hypocrisy of atheism, and I repeat Nietzsche remains an authority in atheism as long as people like you and solarin makes straw based arguments.

I am happy i have proved beyond reasonable doubts, that only by lies do can you or any other atheist can claim the Qur'an sanction killing, and despite correcting you, the ignorance in you still wants to live in falsehood, thank goodness Nietzsche showed us how violent atheism is and how blood thirsty it can actually be. We used to think that atheist were atheist because they had read and educated themselves substantially on issues, yet i have been forced in this thread to educate a highly ignorant atheist, who lacks any form of objectivity, it will be almost impossible for such an individual to find guidance, as he is fanatically attached to misguidance. Alhamdulilah, for not letting us fall victims to such foolery

divinereal:

Vandal-x-cool dont you have some fasting to do, quaran reciting or something? This is a discussion about the great Tai Solarin and of course you have to derail this topic.