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Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by faithsurvey: 9:40am On Sep 14, 2022
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points

1- Belief of God:
Islam: Only one God (monotheism). God is the Creator of all things that existed, existing or would exist. God has always existed and would never die. None of His creations resemble Him, He cannot be seen in the present life, but He sees all. He alone controls all things and affairs.

Christianity: Trinity : Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Claimed god died and rose from death after 3 days
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2- Mode of worship:
Islam: Five pillars: Strong believe that there is one God and Muhammad is His messenger (shahadah); prayer five times daily; fast during Ramadan; charity to the poor ones(zakat); pilgrimage, constant remembrance of God and to always try to please Him.

Christianity: Prayer of requests and delivery, weekly Sunday church attendance, Sacrament, (some branches),reading of the Bible, singing, dancing, drumming in the church, giving of tilt, communion.

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3- Means of salvation:
Islam: Belief in one God and not to make anyone or anything equal to Him. Observing all the 5 pillars of Islam, (faith in oneness of God, 5 daily prayer, fast during Ramadan; charity to the poor ones(zakat); pilgrimage), remembrance of God, repentance, fear of God, hope in God's mercy and to refrain from all evil, forbiden and unlawful acts.

Christianity: Through Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus. Following religious laws is not biding.

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4- Belief about Jesus:
Islam: Muslims believe Jesus to be a perfect, sinless, highly revered Prophet and a messenger of God. His name in Arabic is Isa ibn Mariam (Jesus the son of Mary). Jesus was immaculately conceived through God, but is not God or the son of God

Christianity: Son Of god. Second person of the Trinity. god the Son.

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5- Ressurection of Jesus:
Islam: Denied because God raised Jesus to him and he will return before end of time to finish his life, correct any confusion about his teachings and restore order to the world.

Christianity: Affirmed

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6- Day of worship:
Islam: Prayer five times daily is obligatory. Friday is the day of congregational prayer, obligatory for men, but not for women.

Christianity: Sunday (most denominations), Saturday (Seventh-Day Adventist, Seventh-Day Baptist)

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7-Belief:
Islam: Belief in one God, who has sent messengers with revelation and guidance for humanity so they may be guided to good & who have came with both good news and a warning, the last & final messenger being Muhammad.(SAW)

Christianity: The Nicene Creed sums up Christian belief in the Holy Trinity.

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8- On Clothing;
Islam: Women must present themselves modestly to cover hair and body shape. Men must be modestly dressed and covered from waist to knee. In most Muslim culture, women wear a form of the hijab; in some, they must wear the full-body cover known as the burqa.

Christianity: Conservative Christians dress modestly; women may wear long skirts or dresses; men may wear dress clothes that do not show the chest, legs, and arms. More moderate or liberal Christians generally reject such clothing restrictions.

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9- Belief about Jesus:
Islam: Muslims believe Jesus to be a perfect, sinless, highly revered Prophet and a messenger of God. His name in Arabic is Isa ibn Mariam (Jesus the son of Mary). Jesus was immaculately conceived through God, but is not God or the son of God

Christianity: Christianity belive jesus as son of god. Second person of the Trinity. god the Son.

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10- Human Nature:
Islam: Humans are born pure, innocent and without any sin. However, upon reaching adolescence, you are responsible for what you do, and must choose right from wrong. Islam also teaches that faith and action go hand-in-hand.

Christianity: Man has inherited "original sin" from Adam. Mankind then is inherently evil and is in need of forgiveness of sin through the believe in the blood of Jesus. By knowing right and wrong Christians choose their actions. Humans are a fallen, broken race in need of salvation and repair by God.

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11- Position of Mary:
Islam: Mary (Mariam/Miriam) receives significant admiration from Muslims. She is mentioned many times in the Holy Quran. She is said by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) to be one of the four best women that God created. She is free of sin as the mother of Jesus.

Christianity: Mother Of Jesus. Revered in all denominations. Degree of reverence varies from denomination.

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12- View of Jesus:
Islam: Jesus was a perfect, sinless, highly revered Prophet and a messenger of God. Jesus was immaculately conceived through God, but is not God or the son of God. Jesus did not die but ascended to heaven. So there was no resurrection.

Christianity: Christian believe in god in human form, "Son of god, " savior. Death by crucifixion. Christians believe Jesus rose from the dead, was taken up into heaven, and will return during the Apocalypse.

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13- Life after death:
Islam: All beings created with reason will be accountable to God Almighty on the Day of Judgement. They will be rewarded for every atom's weight of good, and either forgiven or punished for evil deeds.

Christianity: Eternity in Heaven or Hell, in some cases temporal Purgatory.

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14- On Afterlife:
Islam: Eternal life in heaven (paradise) for the true believers and hell (torment) for the disbelievers. All believer sinners who were not forgiven will later be forgiven and admitted into the paradise.

Christianity: Eternal life in heaven (paradise) or hell (torment). Some Catholics believe in purgatory (limbo, temporary punishment).

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15- Religious Law:
Islam: Shariah law (derived from Quran and Hadith) governs prayers, business transactions, and individual rights, as well as criminal and governmental laws. Religious debate, or 'Shura' is utilized for practical solutions to contemporary issues

Christianity: Varies among denominations. Has existed among Catholics in the form of canon law.

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16- Prophets:
Islam: God sent thousands of divinely inspired messengers to guide mankind. These include Prophets Adam, Solomon, David, Noah, Abraham, Ismail, Issac, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad(SAW) There are 124,000 prophets, who were sent to all the world's nations.

Christianity: Prophets in the Bible are venerated.

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17- Marriage:
Islam: slam is totally opposed to monasticism and celibacy. Marriage is an act of Sunnah in Islam and is strongly recommended. Men can only marry the "people of the book" i.e., Abrahamic religions. Women can only marry a Muslim Man.

Christianity: A Holy Sacrament.

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18- About the Religion:
Islam: Islam consists of individuals who believe in Allah as the only one true God and that no other God beside Him. Worshiping other false gods beside Him makes one an unbeliever who deserve Eternal punishment if he/she died in that state. Muslims believe that the One God who created all things is the only true God and none else is God.

Christianity: Christianity broadly consists of individuals who believe in the "deity" Jesus Christ. Its followers, called Christians, often believe Christ is "the Son" of the Holy Trinity and walked the earth as the incarnate form of god ("the Father"wink

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19- Important Tenets:
Islam: The Five Pillars of Islam plus other moral obligations

Christianity: The Ten Commandments, The Beatitudes.

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20- Concept of Deity:
Islam: God (Allah) is the only God and is all-powerful and all knowing.

Christianity: god, in 3 Divine Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.



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Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by immortalcrown(m): 10:04am On Sep 14, 2022
One is written in bold, one is not.

Why?
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by faithsurvey: 10:38am On Sep 14, 2022
Adjustment made. Thanks!
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by AllenforGOD(m): 11:05am On Sep 14, 2022
Uh uh uhm,soundbites clarification,plus where was it written that God created purgatory?plus islam is being deluded and blindfolded just as the pharisees and jewish authorities.

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Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by ForumNL(m): 12:05pm On Sep 14, 2022
Wow! I love Christianity

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Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:21pm On Sep 17, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points

1- Belief of God:
Islam: Only one God (monotheism). God is the Creator of all things that existed, existing or would exist. God has always existed and would never die. None of His creations resemble Him, He cannot be seen in the present life, but He sees all. He alone controls all things and affairs.

Only one god or aggregation of gods? How can only one god refer to himself as “we”, “our” I know you repeat the lie your scholars have told you that it’s a royal “we”. That’s a lie

In your Quran, it is stated that Muhammad made all the gods/idols into one called Allah. So stop the lies that Allah is one

Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."
-Quran 38:5

Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:24pm On Sep 17, 2022
faithsurvey:


2- Mode of worship:
Islam: Five pillars: Strong believe that there is one God and Muhammad is His messenger (shahadah); prayer five times daily; fast during Ramadan; charity to the poor ones(zakat); pilgrimage, constant remembrance of God and to always try to please Him.
Your mode of worship is a pagan practice of the Zoroastrians that Muhammad stole from them and claimed to have received from Allah.

Zoroastrians/Sabeans have been praying 5 times daily prayers thousands of years before Muhammad was born, they have been performing ablution, they have been fasting during Ramadan, they have believed in one god before Muhammad copied from them.

Muhammad was a confused man who started praying 3 daily prayers like the Jews and faced the direction of Jerusalem during prayers like the Jews but when the Jews rejected him because of his falsehoods, Muhammad decided to turn to the direction of the Kaaba shrine where there are 360 idols of Mecca people for prayers and also embraced 5times daily prayers of the pagans!


If there not so, show me one real prophet that prayed 5 times daily prayers or prayed towards the Kaaba!

Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:27pm On Sep 17, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points
I can see that you have edited your earlier lies, especially when you lied that none of Allah’s creations resemble him and I exposed your ignorance by giving you your own sahih Hadith

Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by wolesmile(m): 7:52am On Sep 18, 2022
advocatejare:


Only one god or aggregation of gods? How can only one god refer to himself as “we”, “our” I know you repeat the lie your scholars have told you that it’s a royal “we”. That’s a lie

In your Quran, it is stated that Muhammad made all the gods/idols into one called Allah. So stop the lies that Allah is one

Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."
-Quran 38:5
Gen. 1:26, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Gen. 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."


Gen. 11:7, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”


Gen. 19:24, “Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.” (Which Lord rained brimstone and fire from which Lord? )


Isaiah 6:8, “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!"
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by wolesmile(m): 7:57am On Sep 18, 2022
advocatejare:


Only one god or aggregation of gods? How can only one god refer to himself as “we”, “our” I know you repeat the lie your scholars have told you that it’s a royal “we”. That’s a lie

In your Quran, it is stated that Muhammad made all the gods/idols into one called Allah. So stop the lies that Allah is one

Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."
-Quran 38:5

Why quote Quran 38:5 out of context.
Start from the beginning. While Muhammad was preaching to the idolaters about one God, they were asking themselves whether he has made all their gods into One God. Go read from chapter one to eight for proper understanding.
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by smachboss01(m): 8:59am On Sep 18, 2022
wolesmile:

Gen. 1:26, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Gen. 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."


Gen. 11:7, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”


Gen. 19:24, “Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.” (Which Lord rained brimstone and fire from which Lord? )


Isaiah 6:8, “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!"

Heard of the trinity??
GOD THE FATHER
GOD THE SON
GOD THE ONLY SPIRIT
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by wolesmile(m): 9:06am On Sep 18, 2022
smachboss01:

Heard of the trinity??
GOD THE FATHER
GOD THE SON
GOD THE ONLY SPIRIT

So basically, Christianity is polytheism, not monotheism like the Jewish religion where it emanated from
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by smachboss01(m): 9:15am On Sep 18, 2022
wolesmile:


So basically, Christianity is polytheism, not monotheism like the Jewish religion where it emanated from
Yes
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by wolesmile(m): 9:26am On Sep 18, 2022
smachboss01:

Yes

Thanks for admitting this. Çest finis.

madridguy. Over to you.
AntiChristian, come and see something.
advocatejare, I know you'll want to disagree with your Christian brother.
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:41am On Sep 18, 2022
wolesmile:


Why quote Quran 38:5 out of context.
Start from the beginning. While Muhammad was preaching to the idolaters about one God, they were asking themselves whether he has made all their gods into One God. Go read from chapter one to eight for proper understanding.
I didn’t quote it out of context. Muhammad made all the idols in Mecca into one called Allah but Allah continued to use plural for itself meaning that Allah is a legion of demons:

We know very well what they say, when the best of them in his ways will say, “You did not remain more than one day.”” (Quran, 20:102—104)

“It is We who have sent down the Remembrance [i.e., the Quran].” (Quran, 15:9)


“But the godfearing shall be amidst gardens and fountains: ’Enter you them, in peace and security!’ We shall strip away all rancor that is in their breasts; as brothers they shall be upon couches set face to face; no fatigue there shall smite them, neither shall they ever be driven forth from there.” (Quran, 15:45—48)


“ And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord; then he turns away from them? Indeed We, from the criminals, will take retribution.” (Quran, 32:22)


“This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). (Quran 3:44 )


“And no soul can die except by ALLAH's leave, - a decree with a fixed term. And whoever desires the reward of the present world, WE will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter, WE will give him thereof; and WE will surely reward the grateful”. Quran 3:145 S

Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to HIM some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing. Quran 17:1

Note the confusion of this last text. If you take that sentence seriously, then there are at least four persons involved here. Person A to whom glory is given, person B is the servant of person A, and persons C and D (or more) who are the subject and the speakers of this whole sentence. Actually, who is "him"? … so that WE show to HIM some of … surely HE is the … seeing. Doesn’t the structure suggest that the HIM and the HE should be the same?
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:51am On Sep 18, 2022
faithsurvey:

3- Means of salvation:
Islam: Belief in one God and not to make anyone or anything equal to Him. Observing all the 5 pillars of Islam, (faith in oneness of God, 5 daily prayer, fast during Ramadan; charity to the poor ones(zakat); pilgrimage), remembrance of God, repentance, fear of God, hope in God's mercy and to refrain from all evil, forbiden and unlawful acts.
Another big lie. No where in your Quran or hadith is it stated that doing all those pagan things you listed above in your religion guarantee your salvation.


Muhammad did all and yet he said that he was not sure of his own salvation:

There is no salvation in Islam



Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."

Quran 46:9
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

cc: wolesmile

Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:54am On Sep 18, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points


4- Belief about Jesus:
Islam: Muslims believe Jesus to be a perfect, sinless, highly revered Prophet and a messenger of God. His name in Arabic is Isa ibn Mariam (Jesus the son of Mary). Jesus was immaculately conceived through God, but is not God or the son of God
Muhammad and Islam teach you about the false Jesus. Muhammad that was born more than 500 years after Jesus’ death and resurrection and came to give lies about Jesus was obviously under demonic possession.

Your Quran states that Allah got Mariam pregnant by breathing his spirit into the vagina (farjaha) of Mariam and the same Allah wanted to deny being the father of Jesus, that’s an irresponsible act! How will you feel if someone boasted of getting your sister pregnant and still deny being the father of the child?

cc: wolesmile
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:56am On Sep 18, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points

5- Ressurection of Jesus:
Islam: Denied because God raised Jesus to him and he will return before end of time to finish his life, correct any confusion about his teachings and restore order to the world.

Satan and his demons including Allah were defeated by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and that is why they lie to you that Jesus didn’t die, Allah made a fool of himself by saying that an innocent man was made to replace Jesus on the cross, why would an innocent man die for Jesus ?

How can your Allah and the Quran deny that Jesus died and at the same time claim that he resurrected? Can one resurrect when he has not died?

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Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 10:58am On Sep 18, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points

6- Day of worship:
Islam: Prayer five times daily is obligatory. Friday is the day of congregational prayer, obligatory for men, but not for women.

Christianity: Sunday (most denominations), Saturday (Seventh-Day Adventist, Seventh-Day


Your Allah who claimed to have punished the sabbath breakers in the Quran is the same one that permits you Muslims to break the sabbath and choose another day of worship for you. Does that make sense to you?

Your Allah who is a demon himself was reported by Muhammad to have been the one who misled Christians to be worshipping on Sunday. So blame Allah for allowing Christians to worship on Sunday

Sunan Ibn Majah 1083
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (it) said: 'Allah led those who came before us astray from Friday. Saturday was for the Jews and Sunday was for the Christians. And they will lag behind us until the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of the people of this world but we will be the first to be judged among all of creation.'

cc: wolesmile
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by advocatejare(m): 11:02am On Sep 18, 2022
faithsurvey:
Islam And Christianity compared by 20 points

7-Belief:
Islam: Belief in one God, who has sent messengers with revelation and guidance for humanity so they may be guided to good & who have came with both good news and a warning, the last & final messenger being Muhammad.(SAW)

Christianity: The Nicene Creed sums up Christian belief in the Holy Trinity.

The Nicene creed was adopted in 325 AD which was more than 200 years before Muhammad was born and Muhammad didn’t make any comment on it. Are you now saying that you’re smarter than Muhammad who never made comment about Nicene creed?



8- On Clothing;
Islam: Women must present themselves modestly to cover hair and body shape. Men must be modestly dressed and covered from waist to knee. In most Muslim culture, women wear a form of the hijab; in some, they must wear the full-body cover known as the burqa.

Christianity: Conservative Christians dress modestly; women may wear long skirts or dresses; men may wear dress clothes that do not show the chest, legs, and arms. More moderate or liberal Christians generally reject such clothing restrictions.

At the beginning of Islam even to the last hajj that Muhammad performed, Muslims and other pagans like them were performing tawaf in unclothedness and Muhammad didn’t stop them until Abu Bakr proved that he was wiser than Allah and Muhammad together by stopping the act!

Sahih al-Bukhari 369
Narrated Abu Huraira:
On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hija, in the year
prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr
was the leader of the pilgrims in that Haji) Abu Bakr
sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed toperform Hajj after this year and no naked person is
allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba.
Then Allah's Apostle sent 'Ali to read out the Surat Bara'a (at-Tauba) to the people; so he made the
announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in
Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this
year and no naked person is allowed to perform the
Tawaf around the Kaba."



The reason Muslim women are wearing hijab today is because of perversion of Umar who was always trailing the wife of Muhammad to where she went to answer the call of nature to peep at her naked, as he knew that would make Muhammad to accept to veil Muslim women that Umar had suggested earlier and Muhammad refused!



Sahih al-Bukhari 146
Narrated `Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqi` at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. `Umar used to say to the Prophet (ﷺ) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam`a the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) went out at `Isha' time and she was a tall lady. `Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

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Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by dattaswami1: 2:30pm On Sep 18, 2022
Crucifixion of Jesus- Co-relating Bible and Quran View

[Q) In Bible it is said that Jesus was crucified and it was the plan of God so that Jesus suffered for His people. However in Quran it is said that they did not kill Him. Why these contradictions between Quran and Bible? Which one to believe?
They did not kill Jesus
“And for of their saying, ‘We have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of God.’ But they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to look like him to them. And those who disagree over him are in doubt (of killing him), they have no knowledge of it except the following of guesswork, and they did not kill him for certain. But God raised him up to Himself. And God is All-¬Powerful, All-¬Wise.” (Quran 4:157-158)
One of the disciple volunteered in place of Jesus
Another version is as follows:
The following narration recorded in the Qur'anic exegesis of Ibn Kathir is graded as authentic by orthodox Sunni scholars for the Qur'anic verse related to the substitution of Jesus:
Ibn Abbas said, "Just before Allah raised Jesus to the Heavens, Jesus went to his disciples, who were twelve inside the house. When he arrived, his hair was dripping with water (as if he had just had a bath) and he said, 'There are those among you who will disbelieve in me twelve times after you had believed in me.' He then asked, 'Who among you will volunteer for his appearance to be transformed into mine, and be killed in my place. Whoever volunteers for that, he will be with me (in Paradise).' One of the youngest ones among them volunteered, but Jesus asked him to sit down. Jesus asked again for a volunteer, and the same young man volunteered and Jesus asked him to sit down again. Then the young man volunteered a third time and Jesus said, 'You will be that man,' and the resemblance of Jesus was cast over that man while Jesus ascended to Heaven from a hole in the roof of the house. When the Jews came looking for Jesus, they found that young man and crucified him. Some of Jesus' followers disbelieved in him twelve times after they had believed in him. They then divided into three groups. One group, the Jacobites, said, 'Allah remained with us as long as He willed and then ascended to Heaven.' Another group, the Nestorians, said, 'The son of Allah was with us as long as he willed and Allah took him to Heaven.' Another group, the Muslims, said, 'The servant and Messenger of Allah remained with us as long as Allah willed, and Allah then took him to Him.' The two disbelieving groups cooperated against the Muslim group and they killed them. Ever since that happened, Islam was then veiled until Allah sent Muhammad." — Al-Nasa'i, Al-Kubra, 6:489]

EXPLANATION:

Swami replied: [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]The first version is that the disciple of Jesus sacrificed his life for the sake of Jesus and the actual Jesus went to Heaven while the disciple looking like Jesus was crucified. This statement should be carefully understood as the meaning of one entity only and not two entities.

The human incarnation(God in human form) results when the energetic incarnation of unimaginable God (Father of Heaven) merges with a selected human devotee (like Jesus) for a specific spiritual program. The inner energetic form is also looking like the same external human form. Then only the merge of all the limbs of the energetic body with the limbs of external human form becomes possible as explained in the Veda (Kenopanishat). This explains the similar features of Father of Heaven and Son of God looking alike. This inner energetic incarnation of God (Father of Heaven) is referred by the name Jesus here. The external human form is actually a human being with life and does not die if the Father of Heaven escapes it to go to Heaven. The external human form is a human being made of external inert human body (Aparaaprakruti) and inner awareness or individual soul or Jiva (Paraaprakruti). The disciple leftover is none but the external human being with inert body and non-inert soul. The crucifixion of the disciple means killing the external human being component only since the Father of Heaven can never by killed by anybody. This is a parable explaining a very deep spiritual concept. You should not take the meaning of statement word by word in a parable. The overall inner sense should be extracted with careful analysis. The disciple, who was prepared for even the sacrifice of life, represents the total sacrifice and such devotee is only selected by God to become the human incarnation. The other devotees were not prepared for such extreme sacrifice and hence were not selected for human incarnation.


In the second part, three philosophies of monism (Advaita), special intermediate monism standing between perfect monism and perfect dualism (Vishistaadvaita) and the perfect dualism (Dvaita) were described. First type believes Jesus as God, second type believes Jesus as son of God and third type believes Jesus as messenger of God. When Jesus was crucified, the first type and second type get affected since in the first type, directly God gets crucified and in the second type, the most beloved Son of God gets crucified. Both these concepts make Jesus as perfectly Divine (God) or partially Divine (Son of God). Prophet Mohammed is not agreeing that the petty human beings can crucify God or son of God. He believes in perfect dualism and the external human being into whom God entered is totally different from the inner God. Therefore, human beings could crucify only a human being since they cannot crucify God or Son of God. This perfect dualism is indicated by Jesus asking the devotee coming forward every time prepared for the sacrifice of his life for God to get crucifixion. The final conclusion of this concept is that the created human beings can never crucify the Creator or the Son of God, who is inseparable from God. In Vishistaadvaita, the soul or awareness of the human being is the Son of God and the soul can never be killed even in the case of crucifixion of an ordinary human being since soul is inseparable from God. The conclusion of the Prophet is that neither God nor soul (Son of God) can be crucified. Only the external living body (Messenger) can be crucified.


However, Prophet knows the values of philosophies of first type and second type also. When current (God) enters the wire( an extremly devoted soul called Son of God), the wire is pervaded all over by the current and wire itself is called as current (monism) for all practical purposes. The current is energy and wire is matter, which differ totally from each other (dualism).Current is the main powerful component (angi or sheshi) and wire is the secondary component (anga or shesha) and both current and wire are inseparable (special intermediate monism). Beware that all this discussion of three philosophies pertain only to human incarnation (God in human form like Jesus) and not to ordinary human being.

The Prophet is very much upset by the cruel people crucifying the human incarnation. If the human incarnation is reduced to an ordinary human being (messenger) filtering the God and Divinity, there will be no danger of killing the human incarnation because jealousy will be totally subsided since human incarnation is also reduced to just a human being like us without any trace of specialty. To avoid this danger of jealousy for the future Prophets, the very kind Prophet Mohammed rejected the concepts of human incarnation to be God or Son of God. God means the absolute unimaginable God. Son of God means the soul charged by God by God’s Divinity.

We must see the generosity and sacrifice of Prophet Mohammed to reduce Himself to the state of messenger sent by God, even though He Himself is the Son of God and also actual God in the innermost sense. For the sake of safety of human incarnations, He sacrificed the reality of His actual highest status reducing to lower level of Messenger (lowest level is an ordinary human being).



- By Shri Datta Swami


www.universal-spirituality.org

Universal Spirituality for World Peace
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by wolesmile(m): 9:21am On Sep 20, 2022
smachboss01:

Heard of the trinity??
GOD THE FATHER
GOD THE SON
GOD THE ONLY SPIRIT

The Hebrew God.

The idea that the Hebrew religion was based on “one God” is outrageous nonsense. They worshipped many gods and in the Old Testament texts they refer again and again to god in the plural, as with Elohim. The Jewish singular “god”, El, comes from the name Elohim, which is plural.

El, in the Edda relates to all this. But in the English translations the plural gods are turned into the singular God. The first line of Genesis “In the Beginning God created the heaven and the Earth”actually reads in the Hebrew: “In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the Earth.”

The word Elohim, plural, is used 30 times in Genesis and 2,570 times in all. These include the terms: And the elohim said let us make men in our live “image”; the elohim said “come let us go down” in the story of the Tower of Babel; and “Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil” in the Garden of Eden.

Also in Genesis we have: “And elohim said, Let us make Adam”. Terms like Yahveh-elohim or Yahveh of the gods, is translated as Lord and Lord God to hide the truth. It was impossible to eliminate “the gods” when these texts were first written because the whole of the world was worshipping a vast range of gods.

The King James Version of the Bible, the most used translation of them all, was sponsored by King James 1st, the first king of England and Scotland, who took the joint throne after the death of Elizabeth 1st in 1603.

Even most of the “new” Bibles are only updates of the King James Version. The “King James” removed a lot of marginal notes included in its predecessor, the so-called Geneva Bible, published in 1560. The king wanted to revise the Bible text because, like his mother, Mary Stuart, he believed totally in the “divine right of kings” in which the monarch answered to no one except “God”(the gods).

The Geneva Bible included phrases he did not like in relation to this “divine right” and so he had them removed.

The Old Testament was joined by the name of “New” with the founding of Christianity, a religion that was based on the same Levite fables. In fact, there was no “New Testament”until the 4th century AD.

That’s a long time for the texts to be formulated for a religion that supposed to have been started 300 years earlier. And who arranged for all this? The Roman Emperor Constantine the “Great”after AD325. He was the official head of a Roman Empire.

Go do your research to verify.
Re: Islam And Christianity Compared By 20 Points - by smachboss01(m): 3:20pm On Sep 21, 2022
wolesmile:


The Hebrew God.

The idea that the Hebrew religion was based on “one God” is outrageous nonsense. They worshipped many gods and in the Old Testament texts they refer again and again to god in the plural, as with Elohim. The Jewish singular “god”, El, comes from the name Elohim, which is plural.

El, in the Edda relates to all this. But in the English translations the plural gods are turned into the singular God. The first line of Genesis “In the Beginning God created the heaven and the Earth”actually reads in the Hebrew: “In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the Earth.”

The word Elohim, plural, is used 30 times in Genesis and 2,570 times in all. These include the terms: And the elohim said let us make men in our live “image”; the elohim said “come let us go down” in the story of the Tower of Babel; and “Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil” in the Garden of Eden.

Also in Genesis we have: “And elohim said, Let us make Adam”. Terms like Yahveh-elohim or Yahveh of the gods, is translated as Lord and Lord God to hide the truth. It was impossible to eliminate “the gods” when these texts were first written because the whole of the world was worshipping a vast range of gods.

The King James Version of the Bible, the most used translation of them all, was sponsored by King James 1st, the first king of England and Scotland, who took the joint throne after the death of Elizabeth 1st in 1603.

Even most of the “new” Bibles are only updates of the King James Version. The “King James” removed a lot of marginal notes included in its predecessor, the so-called Geneva Bible, published in 1560. The king wanted to revise the Bible text because, like his mother, Mary Stuart, he believed totally in the “divine right of kings” in which the monarch answered to no one except “God”(the gods).

The Geneva Bible included phrases he did not like in relation to this “divine right” and so he had them removed.

The Old Testament was joined by the name of “New” with the founding of Christianity, a religion that was based on the same Levite fables. In fact, there was no “New Testament”until the 4th century AD.

That’s a long time for the texts to be formulated for a religion that supposed to have been started 300 years earlier. And who arranged for all this? The Roman Emperor Constantine the “Great”after AD325. He was the official head of a Roman Empire.

Go do your research to verify.

christians follow Jesus Christ.. and worship God anything apart from that is none of my business

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