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If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by englishmart(m): 2:34pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
The deal was that he who knew no sin, would die as a recompense for sin. After dying to save the world, he resurrected on the third day. Didn't his resurrection invalidate the deal? 5 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Creamypie(m): 2:50pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
No. His resurrection is to give hope that ALL those who worshipped his father and had died b4 will raise up, just as those after his resurrection too.so christian faith should preach this as a foundation of Christian faith...... But everything is on timetable, which only God knows. So he's giving us benefit of time to repent and to know whose ruler ship was right and best.... Gods own b4 Adamic sin or our life after his sin, which brings all problems, such as death, wars 4 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:33pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: This is what most religionists claiming Christians failed to understand, Jesus paid for mankind's sin as man but he resurrected as a spirit being, his human body is the sacrifice not his prehuman existence which must continue after his earthly mission! 6 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by englishmart(m): 4:01pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:He resurrected as a spirit being. We just easily make up points when we can't prove logically. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkiee: 4:04pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart:1. Jesus Christ lived a righteous life according to the Standard that is the Old Law of Moses, and died a cursed death, in order to pay off the ransom owed by those among His people who would choose through Him to live under God's New Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God. By dying as He did, not only did He earn Righteousness which He was able to pay their ransom with, but He also overcame the power of the curse on those who were cursed among them, and by His resurrection, overcame the power of Death as well. 2. Your example of yours falls tremendously short in this case. 3 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by englishmart(m): 4:10pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee:Life may be spiritual but it's experienced physically. The spirit realm however has always been explained to suit individual analogies. Life in the spirit isn't uniformal. 4 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkiee: 4:11pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart:I hate these meaningless soundbites you folks confuse with Christianity! |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:57pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart:Logically a human known very well by all his friends can't become a stranger if it's the same body {John 20:11-16; Luke 24:15-32} well it's due to the fact that he has returned to spirit form since his human body used as sacrifice for sin has been taken away! 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 5:09pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart:He resurrected as a spirit being? Where do you folks get your version of the story from abeg? Jesus Christ showed His followers that He was resurrected in the same body that He died in, and in that very same body, He was written to have ascended up into the Heavens days later. So why do you seek to change the story to suit your private narrative? 4 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:14pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: Wow! People are desperate. Is the word not "die"? The question then is that did He Die? Answer: Yes He Did! So, the deal was fulfilled. It was not in the deal that the Person should die forever! The contract did not say so. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:22pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Creamypie: The Resurrection is to show that we are just like our phones and cars that we can always bring back to life as many times as they die. That death is not the end! (To all those wishing for nothingness after death) That there is nothing like permanent death unless and until The Creator decides that He wills it so. And God has not yet willed it so. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:37pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. ~NIV And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. ~ Holy Bible So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ~ NWT Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ~ RSV 1Corinthians 15:45 Please who is the LAST ADAM that became a SPIRIT and when exactly did he became a SPIRIT? Thanks in advance! 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 6:40pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Which one of the many translations there tells you that the Last Adam was not a living being even as He was a life-giving spirit? Jesus Christ was, from the womb, both of human(living being) and of Spirit(life-giving being since He was full of Truth and Life(grace)) stock. So, at what point exactly in His journey did He cease to be a living being? The same Jesus Christ confirmed His living-beingness even after His resurrection to His followers, just before His ascension. So was He not aware of this loss you claim? In Daniel 7 vs 13 - 14, He is described as coming in the likeness of a human - a son of man - to reign over all the nations of the earth, so again, is it that even God Himself ain't aware of Him supposedly losing his living-being-ness at some point along His Journey? |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by LordReed(m): 6:57pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: Plot hole! Bwahahahahahaha! 3 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Steep(m): 7:14pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart:The question is did he die or not? If he died then that is the payment for sin. For example, I hired and paid an assassin to get someone eliminated, few months later, I found out the person didn't die after all. Don't you think the deal falling through will trigger a refund?Since he killed the person he has fulfilled his part of the bargain, whether the person later can back to life or not is never the issue. If a mechanic repair your car and after confirming it was OK, and you spoilt it again will you say the mechanic did not repair it? After Jesus had satisfied the father with his death he was raised. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:05pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You didn't answer the question! Who is the last Adam and when did he became a SPIRIT? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 8:10pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
This topic is regarding Jesus Christ. If your last Adam is not the same Jesus Christ this topic is focused on, then why in the word did you direct your question at me to begin with? |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:You can't answer because it's beyond your understanding! Jesus was a mighty spirit being before coming to the earth, God transformed his life into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl, he grew up as the only perfect human worthy of repaying the debt Adamic sin brought on mankind, it's his perfect human flesh and blood mankind need to pay off our sin. So after he has paid it the body and blood is no longer his own because that's what he paid so he returned to spirit life! That's what Paul meant in the Bible book of 1Corinthians 15:45 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 8:27pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Straight from the Books of Bables. If he rises as a spirit being as you claimed, why then need to eat? To rest? And hide? Before you come with your programmed bables, I will show you from your Bible where Jesus ate, rest and hide. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 8:30pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: Bros, the thinking that Jesus or anyone came for vicarious attornment was Paul's idea. Don't sweat it. You will see Christians coming here each and everyone with their Church's twisted understanding of Paul's bable. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MasterJayJay: 8:39pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: Comparing apples and oranges. You said Jesus died, you said he also resurrected. You only saw the person you wanted dead by an assassin alive. Nothing to show he was assassinated. The death was about our sins, while the resurrection is power of death. Jesus’ death was a voluntary sacrifice for our sin, and, given His sinless perfection, His resurrection logically followed. “I lay down my life,” Jesus said, “only to take it up again” (John 10:17). His sacrifice: Do you know what it looks like for God to come down in human form and experience the death of a criminal. He felt those pains when dying. Resurrection doesn't eradicate the pain he felt. Ordinary creatures think they know salvation more than God. Trying to create rules for God. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 8:44pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Actually you are wrong! The thinking wasn't from Paul but from God Himself and this through His Prophets. Recall several of the chapters we had examined before from the book of Isaiah had mentioned that during the time when Jerusalem is restored as God's Holy City, that her sons and daughters will return from all the ends of the world bringing along with them riches from every tribe, language and nation. Well, the reason that is to happen is because of Jesus Christ haven atoned for them, and hence restored them back to God. God cursed and cast them out of His Israel- this He spoke of doing this in His Law which He gave to them through Moses - and so they had need to be redeemed from that curse put on them by God before they could regain their place as His nation of priest. Jesus Christ was God's plan for this from the beginning, as explained both in the Law and by the Prophets. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:48pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: The three guests Abraham entertained {Genesis 18:2} weren't humans, they RESTED {Genesis 18:4} they ATE {Genesis 18:8} and they HIDE! Genesis 19:10 Ọmọ stick to your Qu'ran this is beyond your understanding! 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 9:33pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Of cos they ATE in your Bible but they didn't in the Quran. And they did not hide either nor did they rested. They are Angels sent to deliver God's Message to Abraham and also warn Lot of God's Judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah. So back to why Jesus had to eat when there is no need for a Spiritual body to need earthly food. And why did he not show himself to those that wanted him dead in the first instance? He could have shown himself to the High Priest and gang of his baying followers and say see " I am Alive" but what did he do? He took a direct flight to heaven.. 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 9:37pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Baba, no long thing show a verse or a chapter that says God will come in form of a man and die for people's sin. Give me something concrete not what you think for I can give you what I think too which doesn't mean a thing in the grand scheme of things Give me where God says He is killing an innocent man for the Transgressions of sinful souls. Then we will examine it and talk. Simple enough. 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 9:42pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Oh, so never mind that which is stated. You instead need it all to be tailored to your intelligence level... exactly that which God said He will never do. Don't worry, if you don't want to believe that which is written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets that came in Israel, no worries. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Maynmann: 9:48pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: These are the books you base your life on? 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 10:09pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Don't get it twisted Sir! Baba, tell me rephrase. From Genesis to Malachi, show me a verse that says God Almighty is gonna come down and die for sinful souls. In the same vein, show me a verse or a chapter where God said He is sending His son to come die in a vicarious attornment drama. Do the above and let us examine it. When you type any other stuff aside the above, you are a babbler like Apostle Paul. I believe in Moses and what is written in the Prophets and not what you think. 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 10:12pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:As I already explained, no one is sent to add to that which God has already declared for your sake. So it is perfectly Ok if you chose to ignore that which He revealed through His Law of Moses and His prophets. |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 10:16pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
englishmart: Op your thinking is right. I mean what is the meaning of Sacrifice? If you lay down your life knowing fully well that you can take it back, where does sacrifice come in? If I have God's assurance that I will rise up three days later if should lay down my life for Mankind sins, I will gladly do so without crying and wailing and also sweating blood. 3 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 10:17pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: So quote where it is said God is coming or sending his son to die. I will wait...... 2 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 10:21pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:1. Sacrifice? 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,2. God's assurance? See verse #18 above! |
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