Lukuluku69:


If I remember clearly, the Book of Isaiah has 66 Chapters. I would rather take the message as a whole rather than make a Religion out or one or two verses from the book.

Jesus according to the Christian creed was never a Servant of God rather God Himself or the Son of God. So why are you applying a prophecy that mentioned a SERVANT? Do you thing that is logical? I think not.


And you don't have to mention Jesus for I know that is where you are going!

Besides, "wounding" someone is not akin to killing them. And I am sure that Isaiah knows the difference.

So, the servant in Isaiah could not have been Jesus. And if you say he is Immanuel, then I ask you to show me in the New Testament where Jesus was called as such just once or where it was alluded to that fact.

sonmvayina:


Educate yourself

https://aish.com/isaiah_53_the_suffering_servant/


https://aish.com/jeremiah-31-and-the-new-covenant/

Steep:
I did ask you to make religion out of anything buy just a simple question?
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Isaiah didn't say he was only wounded but was cut off from the living, he made his grave with the rich his soul was made and offering for sin

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

A simple question you have being dribbling, dodging, and avoiding the issue.
You still have not answered the question who is this servant?

Steep:
Where is it written in the Koran that book of Isaiah is corrupted?

Lukuluku69:


Which prison was Jesus taken to and from. Was he ever in any Prison? Please show me from the Bible.

Saying Jesus was a SERVANT of God is not a Christian Creed nah. He is God Himself or if you like, the Son!

Applying this prophecy to him is deceit of the highest order. You should know that. How can one person be God, Son of God and still Servant of God? Haba.

You see the confusion I highlighted above are man made. God is not the author of confusion but rather Men. Men with their Agenda muddied up everything and leave you clutching straws.

I know Jesus is so many things to you guys, to some he is God Himself, to some he is the son. I have never seen where he is said to be God's Servant.

So, bros no be Jesus that verse is talking about.

AntiChristian:


No! Torah is mentioned in the Qu'ran likewise Injeel and Zaboor!

Show us where the book of Isaiah is mentioned?

Torah was revealed to Moses!

Show us where Jesus called himself a servant of God?

Steep:
Yes was actually imprisoned, it has being discovered that at the high priest house there is a form of prison where he uses for trials.

Know this today Jesus was God's servant.

Steep:
But you Muslims say you believe in all the prophets that means you believe in their messages.

Lukuluku69:


In prison? For how many days abeg? The high priest can't hold anyone in prison, the Romans will send him to prison if they found out. Bros, try another line.

So, Jesus is no longer God or Gods son to you or to the whole of Christiandom?

Steep:
yes they do. It doesn't matter if it is days or hours.

Jesus is God's Son you cannot wrap you head with the fact that Jesus was both a Son and a servant.

Lukuluku69:


We believe in their Message in it's pristine state. Not when men with an Agenda have muddied up their message.

Lukuluku69:


Exactly. I don't need to wrap anything around anything. It doesn't make sense. For that reason, I am out.

The Bible never support it, reason and logic is against it.

I only proved it and it falls short.

He is God, he is God's son and now he is God's Servant. Shey Jesus na foreman ni?

Steep:
Who muddled Isaiah's message?
The book of Isaiah was kept be the jews themselves, do you think they would alter it to prove that Jesus is the messiah which they hated?

Steep:

Are you saying a Son cannot work for his father?

Lukuluku69:


The Jews tampered with it.

Read the Bible nah. Even Prophet Nehemiah or Jeremiah alluded to that fact in the bible.

" The LYING PENS of the Scribes.....

Lukuluku69:


A son is a son and a Servant is a servant. Two different things.

Of course my son can work for me, but he remains my son and not my servant. And a servant can't be my son, hetemains a servant.

No matter how you looked at it, Paternity is not bestowed on anyone aside the ones from my Loins.

Steep:
Who muddled Isaiah's message?
The book of Isaiah was kept be the jews themselves, do you think they would alter it to prove that Jesus is the messiah which they hated?

Steep:
It's a simple question can a Son not work for his father?

Steep:

You just conjured words from your imagination, where in Nehemiah or Jeremiah was it written that the Jews corrupted their scriptures?

Lukuluku69:


Right from Genesis, they have been lying. Adding and subtracting from God's word and calling it God's word.

I can show you if you don't mind

Steep:
you have not provided evidence.

Lukuluku69:


Right from Genesis, they have been lying. Adding and subtracting from God's word and calling it God's word.

I can show you if you don't mind

Steep:
you have not answered the question

Lukuluku69:


And the question is?

If you want to read how the Scribes muddied up their Books, please read Jeremiah Chapter 8. Please pay special interest to verses 8 and 9.

Steep:
None of them addressed the issue, Israel has never bear the sin of others neither is Israel without violence in fact the suffering that Israel passed through is because of their sins.

Isaiah 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

Note Israel suffering is because of her sins but the suffering servant suffered and died because of the sins of others.
Therefore it is clear that Israel is not the suffering servant.

Steep:
But you Muslims say you believe in all the prophets that means you believe in their messages.

Steep:


You just conjured words from your imagination, where in Nehemiah or Jeremiah was it written that the Jews corrupted their scriptures?

Lukuluku69:


Jeremiah Chapter 8 verses 8/9

Since you are on free basics and can't see the attachment.

ABI make I send you my Bible too?

Steep:
Read that verse again, it is not talking of the scriptures.
The scriptures Consist of two parts, the book of the law and the prophets.

The scribes abandoned the scriptures and wrote false laws for the people.

So again if anything at all, it does not concern the books of the prophets of which Isaiah belongs.

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

They rejected the scriptures and wrote false laws for the people.

The scriptures remained in tact however the rejected it to make their own law.

Lukuluku69:


Oga, keep twisting and turning ooo. Na you get yourself

So the Laws is no longer Scriptures?

So which Scripture did they reject and can you point me to the Laws they wrote themselves?

That is the issue with you the defenders of the Jews. Jeremiah, a Prophet of God called the Pens of the Scribes "LYING PENS" Meaning they made changes therein and here I have a Nigerian living almost 3,000 years after twisting, convulting and saying otherwise.

Oga, I symapathise with you but you have believed a Lie.

I can see that you are sincere at least. Walk with me and I will show you the lies Jeremiah was talking about. At least the little I know.

Steep:
So what does the the scribes penning down laws for themselves have with the prophecy of Isaiah?
By the way, saying the scribes penned down lies is obviously not talking about the law of Moses nor the prophets, the scriptures are intact, it was the scribes during Jeremiah's days that he described as "having lying pen".

The question remains unanswered who is the servant of God that became a sacrifice for sin?

Steep:
So what does the the scribes penning down laws for themselves have with the prophecy of Isaiah?
By the way, saying the scribes penned down lies is obviously not talking about the law of Moses nor the prophets, the scriptures are intact, it was the scribes during Jeremiah's days that he described as "having lying pen".

The question remains unanswered who is the servant of God that became a sacrifice for sin?