Aemmyjah:


I know someone that met Moses, Confucius, Alexander the Great

So we should not believe anything written in books about someone that existed about 2 millenia ago?

So who saw him?

I need like 2 eye witness independent account of jesus....

Aemmyjah:



All 4 historians wrote or referenced the existence of Jesus


Is it the historical Iesus Chrestus or the historical one?

No historian wrote or reference the existence of jesus christ.

Aemmyjah:


The historical James or mythical James?
The historical Chrestians or mythical ones?
Historical or forged Antioch?

Maynment

Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside the pages of New Testament.
Josephus was talking about judas of Galilee who later became jesus in your New Testament
Tacitus was talking about Chrestians before it was altered into “Christian”, i wonder the people doing the altering

Aemmyjah:


Which Mary and Joseph comes to mind?
Who is Mary and who is Joseph that you're mentioning?

Ment

Mary and Joseph in the jospehus book you are using to defend Iesus chrestus.
Does Josephus write myths?

Josephus was a Chrestian, he knew no Iesus chrestus, jospehus was talking about judas of Galilee.


Animal!

Aemmyjah:


1. Your problem

2. How is the same name spelt and pronounced in the 3 main languages of Nigeria? Note that Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic was the main language of the people (Jews and Romans) at that time. Write Jesus name in those 3 languages and see which one is changed or not

3. Show us one

1. Ok
2. What is Jesus in French, Spanish and Portuguese?
3. Old carvings more than 10,000 years
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article269764062.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.shutterstock.com/search/5000-years-old&ved=2ahUKEwil27TE26L-AhXY_7sIHcHLCQkQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Q_ZpsskncufWTywEgO3Y2

1Sharon:
After the end of ramadan, let them show a documentary on how Mohammed is a false prophet.

Cowards.

It took me a while to get this... ROFLMAO!

Aemmyjah:


1. From a link where the author is a critic of the Bible and even some the comments in the article try to correct his claims? You have not given any in the 3 Roman historians

2. You want to compare the record of Hitler, Washington and Gandhi - men who lived roughly, 100 or 200 or 300 years ago and compare with a man that lived about 2000 years ago especially as his existence was NEVER doubted even after several centuries after his death? You reason worse than children

3. At a point, it was criminal and seditious to own a Bible or translate it and many were killed. Rome, tried to destroy Christianity and the Bible at some point but the Author has kept His book from being destroyed by men to and it has now become the best seller of all time and most translated but you say Rome are the ones that made it popular. Shame!

4. Many of the human rights enjoy today are based on Jesus Christ words especially sermon on the Mount. Most nations constitutions borrow from the 10 commandments of the Bible as it deals with relationship with one another as our actions can affect for good or for bad.

With your level of understanding, I really pity anyone that comes to your hospital as you claim to be a doctor

1. Those are historians and linguistics. Nothing concern them with religion, and thus can't be bible critics
2. Again, you reason like a amoeba. Even people that lived 5000 years ago have paintings, histories and artifacts about them. I just showed you some artifacts more than 10k years ago
3. Typical theist. Ignorance at its finest. Obviously you haven't heard about Emperor Constantine and the great crusade.
Read this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
An excerpt
During the reign of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (AD 306–337), Christianity began to transition to the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. Historians remain uncertain about Constantine's reasons for favoring Christianity, and theologians and historians have often argued about which form of early Christianity he subscribed to. There is no consensus among scholars as to whether he adopted his mother Helena's Christianity in his youth, or, as claimed by Eusebius of Caesarea, encouraged her to convert to the faith he had adopted.
Your ignorance is too much for you
4. Bro, you're a prize dummy. The ultimate source of many conutry laws and constitutions is from the Code of Hammurabi, and maybe Epic of Gilgamesh. Has nothing to do with your dummy buybull. Read up and cure this ignorance that has infested your brain.
In the prologue, Hammurabi claims to have been granted his rule by the gods "to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak". The laws are casuistic, expressed as "if ... then" conditional sentences. Their scope is broad, including, for example, criminal law, family law, property law, and commercial law.

Modern scholars responded to the Code with admiration at its perceived fairness and respect for the rule of law, and at the complexity of Old Babylonian society. There was also much discussion of its influence on the Mosaic Law. Scholars quickly identified lex talionis—the "eye for an eye" principle—underlying the two collections. Debate among Assyriologists has since centred around several aspects of the Code: its purpose, its underlying principles, its language, and its relation to earlier and later law collections.

Despite the uncertainty surrounding these issues, Hammurabi is regarded outside Assyriology as an important figure in the history of law and the document as a true legal code. The U.S. Capitol has a relief portrait of Hammurabi alongside those of other historic lawgivers. There are replicas of the stele in numerous institutions, including the headquarters of the United Nations in New York City and the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.
The Code of Hammurabi was one of the earliest and most complete written legal codes and was proclaimed by the Babylonian king Hammurabi, who reigned from 1792 to 1750 B.C. Hammurabi expanded the city-state of Babylon along the Euphrates River to unite all of southern Mesopotamia. The Hammurabi code of laws, a collection of 282 rules, established standards for commercial interactions and set fines and punishments to meet the requirements of justice. Hammurabi’s Code was carved onto a massive, finger-shaped black stone stele (pillar) that was looted by invaders and finally rediscovered in 1901
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Aemmyjah:

And who were the Christians?

Oh, could it be that you could not find any article online that dismissed them depositions as lies?

They stated 'christians'. How the Bleep am I supposed to know them?

Aemmyjah:


Lol
What you said does not even make any sense to you
Jesus works was done among the jews
So he will have little dealings or popularity among the non jews
He commission his followers to preach the gospel everywhere, all over the world and this will bring them closer to non jews.
Because those writers talked less about Jesus Christ made him non-existent right?

So none of non Jews he healed could write about him?

Aemmyjah:


Historical Christians or mythical (story forged) Christians?

You can call them any

Aemmyjah:


BY you?

Did you read any of the links I posted?

Aemmyjah:


People tried to add things to the Bible but the author has kept its book clean

We have a mad rapper who tried to make his own bible, replacing every place where God was mentioned to Ye

You just agreed that there were additions and subtractions from your Bible but in your next breath you said 'the author has kept its book clean'. How do you reckon the book would be kept clean if anyone can insert any rubbish he or she wants? Are you aware the bible is being rewritten to make Yahweh a non He? So in the next 1000 years, dimwits like you would say its Yahweh that made it that way.
Damn! You're dense

Aemmyjah:


If you are able to comprehend, you'll see that the comment was sarcastic
Apes don't know sarcasm. Do they?

I made that statement cos youre trying to deflect the argument

Aemmyjah:

Does this answer my simple question?

What question

Aemmyjah:


Is that his only reference to Jesus?
Now, you seem to be cornfused

His only reference was in TF

Aemmyjah:


Writing to whom and for whom?
For a nation and or as career
Anyone that acknowledge Jesus were to be dealt with by the religious leaders and it could mean financial losses for such and that is why notable men were not courageous to become his disciple

How much more someone writing it to spread it abroad?
Shame

Are you talking about the mythical Jesus or historical Jesus?

Lol. We're not talking about acknowledging him. We're talking about writing his deeds. People did carvings of important figures and kept them in their private zones. Besides, what acknowledgement is more than that given by a centurion whose child was healed, even though he wasn't Jew. Didn't everybody see Jesus heal his daughter? Was he killed for taking his daughter to Jesus?

Aemmyjah:


So you want to tell the forum that in all Josephus writings, everything he said about Jesus was in one sentence?

You're deflecting. Tacitus reference was in a sentence. Josephus was in TF which was edited. Is this hard for you to understand?

Aemmyjah:


Yours is even worse
What has a change in spelling or pronunciation of names (due to language) got to do with Jesus Christ existence?
I am Emmanuel, I can't go to Spain or France and expect that it is spelt or pronounced that way.
Mention one name in the bible that it's spelling and pronunciation is same everywhere
The images you see of Jesus Christ does not accurately depict what he look like
There is no image or picture of anyone that lived 2000 years ago, so Jesus is not the first
If Jesus were painted black, you will still complain

😂 ur matter is worse. Regarding the name, shey u know Jesus was not the name given to him when he rose from the dead? It was "LORD" psalm 110 vs 1. It's not the name Jesus or Yeshua that saves alone, it's the understanding of the name n who you are calling. Jesus was his earthly name . But what saves is the understanding of his "Authority" of "Lord" over all principalities and powers and every other name that is mentioned in this world n in the world to come.

Why do u think ppl shout Jesus and nothing happens but one person comes and just say In Jesus name n everything works perfectly? Ppl r healed, miracles r happening? It's understanding. This kingdom works by light

Aemmyjah:


When you hear of Muhammad, which source to knowing that person comes to mind? What about Confucuis?
If someone wants to know about Jesus Christ (arguably the most influential man of all time), there's where to get to know him and secular historians prove he existed
We are talking about a person that existed about 2000 years ago. How many books do you know was written that period.
Besides, he was a religious figure, not a popular warrior or king that we can expect to see scores of writings that talked about him and he only walked around the Palestinian region
You don't believe in the NT, but you want another source to give proofs of Jesus Christ and his activity
Shame on you
You and Maynment are twins

Many books were written 2000 years ago, even farther, have you forgotten your Old Testament was written over 10000 years ago
Surely a man that did so many miracles and wonders would have many sources talking about it, especially Josephus would have talk about it, Josephus only talked about Judas of Galilee.
We have many books talking about the early Chrestians.

Proofs are not meant to be “believed” but “known”, your NT is a product of Chrestians, I don’t believe books like you.
I’m still waiting for you to post your real sources from real authorship or have you gone empty like your creator, yahweh?

You and Madmax are Brothers.

Aemmyjah:


4. Many of the human rights enjoy today are based on Jesus Christ words especially sermon on the Mount. Most nations constitutions borrow from the 10 commandments of the Bible as it deals with relationship with one another as our actions can affect for good or for bad.

Human rights is not dependent on Christianity or the absurdity called sermon on the mount. Even if one pretends that the Jesus guy was a historical person, the sermon on the mount would be the evidence that he was a charlatan. Those nonsensical sayings have nothing to do with human rights but they can sure be used as authoritarian propaganda. Read the nonsense below:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Will they be rich in spirit when they become royals in the kingdom of heaven. Who are the peasants in the kingdom of heaven?

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Wow! Riveting!!! But I bet “mourn” isn’t used in the regular way here.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
How will they inherit the earth? I guess the meek do not go to the kingdom of heaven.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they will be filled.
And what is righteousness? Does it entail Believing Jesus’ nonsense?

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
Shown mercy by who? Who did they show mercy to?

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
What will the pure in brain see?
What about those who are pure in kidney?
I guess pure in heart means believing Jesus’ nonsense.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.
What about daughters of God? Women can be peacemakers too?

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
And this is the one that turns them delusional. Every opposition or disagreement is “persecution” and they look forward to the reward in the kingdom of heaven………….after they are dead. Lol

Hold on. Wait! Who gets the kingdom of heaven?
The poor in spirit or those who are persecuted for righteousness?

Lmao! The word of god subject to a variety of interpretations!!


The phrase "poor in spirit" (πτωχοὶ τῷ πνεύματι) in Matthew 5:3 has been subject to a variety of interpretations. A.W. Tozer describes poverty of spirit as "an inward state paralleling the outward circumstances of the common beggar in the streets." It is not a call to material poverty in itself.

These blessed poor are no longer slaves to the tyranny of things. They have broken the yoke of the oppressor; and this they have done not by fighting but by surrendering. Though free from all sense of possessing, they yet possess all things. "Theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

— A. W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God, The Blessedness of Possessing Nothing, page 23

William Burnet Wright, seeking to avoid a common misunderstanding of the meaning of poverty of spirit, distinguishes those who are "poor in spirit" from those he calls "poor spirited," who "consider crawling the Christian's proper gait."

There are men who fear to call their souls their own, and if they did, they would deceive—themselves. At times such men baptize their cowardice in holy water, name it humility, and tremble. ...They are not blessed. Their life is a creeping paralysis. Afraid to stand for their convictions, they end by having no convictions to stand to.[21]

Aemmyjah:


4. Many of the human rights enjoy today are based on Jesus Christ words especially sermon on the Mount. Most nations constitutions borrow from the 10 commandments of the Bible as it deals with relationship with one another as our actions can affect for good or for bad.

17 Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

They trot out the “10 commandments” as if that crock of pedestrian morality is profound. The god is obviously morally depraved as he sees nothing wrong about owning another human being. My moral code is obviously more humane and well rounded than the musings of some ancient Hebrews and their god. The ancient Hebrews must have been a greedy people judging by their scriptures.

KnownUnknown:


17 Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

They trot out the “10 commandments” as if that crock of pedestrian morality is profound. The god is obviously morally depraved as he sees nothing wrong about owning another human being. My moral code is obviously more humane and well rounded than the musings of some ancient Hebrews and their god. The ancient Hebrews must have been a greedy people judging by their scriptures.

I see you don't have understanding of the word 'covet'
Who was your English teacher?
We have to punish him for a very poor job

KnownUnknown:


Human rights is not dependent on Christianity or the absurdity called sermon on the mount. Even if one pretends that the Jesus guy was a historical person, the sermon on the mount would be the evidence that he was a charlatan. Those nonsensical sayings have nothing to do with human rights but they can sure be used as authoritarian propaganda. Read the nonsense below:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Will they be rich in spirit when they become royals in the kingdom of heaven. Who are the peasants in the kingdom of heaven?

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Wow! Riveting!!! But I bet “mourn” isn’t used in the regular way here.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
How will they inherit the earth? I guess the meek do not go to the kingdom of heaven.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they will be filled.
And what is righteousness? Does it entail Believing Jesus’ nonsense?

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
Shown mercy by who? Who did they show mercy to?

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
What will the pure in brain see?
What about those who are pure in kidney?
I guess pure in heart means believing Jesus’ nonsense.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.
What about daughters of God? Women can be peacemakers too?

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
And this is the one that turns them delusional. Every opposition or disagreement is “persecution” and they look forward to the reward in the kingdom of heaven………….after they are dead. Lol

Hold on. Wait! Who gets the kingdom of heaven?
The poor in spirit or those who are persecuted for righteousness?

Backward reasoning indeed
Have you studied how the human rights came to be and why?
Just as you will say that the Quote of the Isaiah wall is not from the Bible but another Isaiah
Abeg shift

KnownUnknown:


Human rights is not dependent on Christianity or the absurdity called sermon on the mount. Even if one pretends that the Jesus guy was a historical person, the sermon on the mount would be the evidence that he was a charlatan. Those nonsensical sayings have nothing to do with human rights but they can sure be used as authoritarian propaganda. Read the nonsense below:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Will they be rich in spirit when they become royals in the kingdom of heaven. Who are the peasants in the kingdom of heaven?

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Wow! Riveting!!! But I bet “mourn” isn’t used in the regular way here.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
How will they inherit the earth? I guess the meek do not go to the kingdom of heaven.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they will be filled.
And what is righteousness? Does it entail Believing Jesus’ nonsense?

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
Shown mercy by who? Who did they show mercy to?

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
What will the pure in brain see?
What about those who are pure in kidney?
I guess pure in heart means believing Jesus’ nonsense.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.
What about daughters of God? Women can be peacemakers too?

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
And this is the one that turns them delusional. Every opposition or disagreement is “persecution” and they look forward to the reward in the kingdom of heaven………….after they are dead. Lol

Hold on. Wait! Who gets the kingdom of heaven?
The poor in spirit or those who are persecuted for righteousness?

If it were a normal conversation, only a heavy drunk reasons this way

Maynman:


Many books were written 2000 years ago, even farther, have you forgotten your Old Testament was written over 10000 years ago
Surely a man that did so many miracles and wonders would have many sources talking about it, especially Josephus would have talk about it, Josephus only talked about Judas of Galilee.
We have many books talking about the early Chrestians.

Proofs are not meant to be “believed” but “known”, your NT is a product of Chrestians, I don’t believe books like you.
I’m still waiting for you to post your real sources from real authorship or have you gone empty like your creator, yahweh?

You and Madmax are Brothers.

Menton and quote 10 names and characters and events from those 'many books'

I accept Mad is my brother, he's not ment. Who's yours?

Jen96:
😂 ur matter is worse. Regarding the name, shey u know Jesus was not the name given to him when he rose from the dead? It was "LORD" psalm 110 vs 1. It's not the name Jesus or Yeshua that saves alone, it's the understanding of the name n who you are calling. Jesus was his earthly name . But what saves is the understanding of his "Authority" of "Lord" over all principalities and powers and every other name that is mentioned in this world n in the world to come.

Why do u think ppl shout Jesus and nothing happens but one person comes and just say In Jesus name n everything works perfectly? Ppl r healed, miracles r happening? It's understanding. This kingdom works by light

Was that Psalm 110 written in English?
Check the Emphatic diaglott or ancient manuscript of that same verse and you will find the names and I will appreciate if you can stop quoting me for silly questions and reasoning
Tell us one miracle you have performed with since you have knowledge and light

jaephoenix:

You're deflecting. Tacitus reference was in a sentence. Josephus was in TF which was edited. Is this hard for you to understand?

About a historical or mythical person?
De play

jaephoenix:

Lol. We're not talking about acknowledging him. We're talking about writing his deeds. People did carvings of important figures and kept them in their private zones. Besides, what acknowledgement is more than that given by a centurion whose child was healed, even though he wasn't Jew. Didn't everybody see Jesus heal his daughter? Was he killed for taking his daughter to Jesus?

Were there any historians with him when he healed the daughter
See how you reason
Mention one event of a man who's not a king or warrior centering his activity in a small city and his works were written by people that still survived till today for about 2000 years?
You expected such works to have survived if they actually existed? Shame on you

jaephoenix:

His only reference was in TF

Myth or reality.

jaephoenix:

I made that statement cos youre trying to deflect the argument

Sometimes stupid replies is what people need to measure how they reason

jaephoenix:

You just agreed that there were additions and subtractions from your Bible but in your next breath you said 'the author has kept its book clean'. How do you reckon the book would be kept clean if anyone can insert any rubbish he or she wants? Are you aware the bible is being rewritten to make Yahweh a non He? So in the next 1000 years, dimwits like you would say its Yahweh that made it that way.
Damn! You're dense

Do you understand?
I said many have tried to alter by adding and subtracting down to this day including a man called Kanye but God has preserved his works