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Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by 123papas(m): 6:08am On Apr 15, 2023
The constitution should have just mentioned 2/3of the states if FCT was to to be considered as one of the states.

It’s like saying: give food to 2/3 of the children in primary and oluwakemi. That means, no matter what - don’t skip out oluwakemi
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Nobody: 6:10am On Apr 15, 2023
nonhuman:
even pdp are now memebers of Obidients, what we now have in Nigeria is Obidents vs APC
Obidients una funny o, una no dey tire, una no get work grin

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Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Sheggy13(m): 6:12am On Apr 15, 2023
PoliteActivist:


I seem to he conversing with not too smart people here.
"At least" here is irrelevant. It simply means "You could get more but you can't get less". It contributes nothing to what we are discussing. You can totally ignore it.

β…” of 37 entities is NOT 25, neither is it 24


Leaving you the ONLY possible correct answer:
24 planets and the Sun!
I knew it would come down to this - insults. The modus operandi of Obidients. You guys can't hold conversations in a civil manner. It has to be your way only. How can you say "at least" there is irrelevant. It's the presence of "at least" that makes it above 24 (25 or more entities) as 2/3 of 37 is a fraction exactly 24.667 and you can't present fractionalised number of states. There's no point having a conversation with you any further. I know you would soon want to teach the judges at the supreme court English by the time they make their rulings on this FCT 25% rubbish,since you're the only smart one.

Do you think the drafters of the constitution are idiots such that a candidate who perhaps wins all 36 states and fail to get 25% in FCT will be denied bring returned as President when his closest competitor couldn't secure up to 25% in 24 states?
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Nobody: 6:12am On Apr 15, 2023
Vinnie2000:


Ogbeni, Talk now till Tomorrow.

Does NOT change the Fact that Tinubu FAILED WOEFULLY in areas where Literate, Sane and Knowledgeable Nigerians inhabit. sad

Apart from INEC Manipulation, he got most votes from Kebbi, Zamfara, Yobe, Jigawa, Sokoto, and Gombe. 😟
States where Citizens are mostly ILLITERATES and ignorant of National events. embarassed

Tinubu is the WEAKEST Presidential 'winner' we have seen since 1979.
He is a FRAUD. undecided 😏
Who are you to say who is sane or literate?

Exhibitions of obidient shows many are not literates, or sane, they don't even understand basic grammer.

Is behavior of obidient mob sane to you?

Obidients are beginning to constitute a nuisance.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by walexsho(m): 6:15am On Apr 15, 2023
DoxxAnon:
Ask any secondary school student who writes SSCE when they say a Pass in any 4 subjects and English Language.

The Pass in English is actually compulsory which is why it was not stated as a Pass in any 5 subjects.

How do you calculate 2/3 of 37? What is 0.666667 of a state?

#Ponderings

Credit passes in at least five subjects, including History, Government and the English Language.

History, Government and English Language are part of the 5subjects....
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Oluwatomisin29: 6:16am On Apr 15, 2023
Well said
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by madridguy(m): 6:38am On Apr 15, 2023
Whether you like it or not, come May 29th, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu will become "Our Daddy!"

Politics is over. Abuja vote is just like Kebbi vote so nothing is special about that.



Toks2008:


So in your mind he is being logical.

Imagine saying to be admitted into a course you must get a credit pass in 5 subjects and Engiish.

Now relate it to the explanation he gave and you will see that it lacks substance.

Anyways that is his opinion
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Kcdojoto(m): 6:40am On Apr 15, 2023
Afamsi:
Illiterate prof kindly tell us why federal capital was mentioned in that rule since it is included in the 2/3 of the states of the federation. Why was your state not mentioned. Does this dullard know the purpose of ' AND ' in a sentence? I feel that he bought that professorial degree. This man ought to be a primary school teacher.
primary school teacher? To teach our children nonsense? No no no, he should be in farm cultivating yam and cassava plus agbado
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by infogeneral: 6:40am On Apr 15, 2023
β€œSimply put, the 36 States and the FCT go together. It is disingenuous to argue otherwise". The constitution is very straightforward but some mischievous people are trying to be clever by half. Suddenly they forgot that the conjunction 'and' also means including e.g The money is for Mr A and B. The conjunction and has included Mr B in the sharing of the money.

It's so unfortunate that the level of dishonesty in this country is so high that even people who should know the road are part of those who are leading people to the wrong destination. If the constitution has confered such arbitrary power on the FCT to determine the winner, shouldn't that be a cause for worry for any right thinking Nigerian? Because with that, there can never be a free and fair election in the Country. All the politicians need when elections are approaching is to everything possible to dominate the FCT including mobilizing thier supporters to transfer thier polling units to Abuja and cast their votes there since the FCT would have been a battle ground.

I urge all Nigerians to remove thier emotional blindfolds and speak the truth at all time whether or not it aligns with their feelings. Only the truth can set us free as a nation.

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Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by BTCog: 6:43am On Apr 15, 2023
"25% of two-thirds of the States and the FCT".
Help tell the Prof to go back to his GS101 to understand the meaning and usage of "and "
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by phyllumtopilla: 6:52am On Apr 15, 2023
ganisucks:
All the election riggers have united in support of Baba blue, the father of election rigging.

This guy's interpretation is really funny.

Make APC dey play. Let them not go and start preparing for rerun, like their internal memos have suggested. Let them continue petting Baba blue.
When Tribunal sacks them, them go dey alright.

Some people are just irredeemable daft sha.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by 77up(m): 6:52am On Apr 15, 2023
onuman:


Resorts to insulting because you can't dispute what I wrote.
We are not like Tinubu supporters who are senseless. Only senseless persons support an octogenarian and obviously mentally handicapped man with a baggage of drug trafficking offences, to become president of a country in the 21st century.
You will suffer more than me if Tinubu becomes president of Nigeria.
How did you know that I will suffer than you if Tinubu become president ( even though your tiny fish brain couldn't process it that he has became the President already,just waiting for inauguration on May 29?)

You guys are senseless and headless mob of a SUPPORTERS, whoever that doesn't align with you in one way or the other is broke and suffering. Funniest part is if we check now ,you may even be holdup galla seller, rubbish 😏

Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Fayos1(m): 6:53am On Apr 15, 2023
Ogene001:
Who is the governor of FCT? Mention the senatorial zones in FCT
No one said FCT has a Governor or has Senatorial districts.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by phyllumtopilla: 6:57am On Apr 15, 2023
Great0ne1:

A stupid Prof that does not understand simple english

Who do you really think is stupid if not you?
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by mezebel(f): 7:02am On Apr 15, 2023
JDistribute:

The man clearly explained, so you never still understand, or you want write your own law grin

Does it make any sense to you, that Abuja voters will be classified as special?
why is English and maths made special and a most credit score in waec,neco,GCE and others?



what do you know about conjunction?
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by laskab(f): 7:04am On Apr 15, 2023
'section 133 of the 1999 Constitution states that to be declared winner, the candidate must score at least 25% in β€œtwo – thirds of the 36 States of the Federation and the capital Territory'.
This implies that Fct is added to the states a winner of the presidential election should have had at least 25% of 2/3 votes.

I am curious why some lawyers are misinterpreting simple english. Fct is like a state. Isn't it?
Then why should a winner score 25% in only Fct.

There should be an independent body to probe lawyers misterpreting simple English. Very soon, UK or other countries may also question the integrity of Nigerian lawyers just like Nigerian medical professionals in the UK.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Nobody: 7:06am On Apr 15, 2023
mezebel:
why is English and maths made special and a most credit score in waec,neco,GCE and others?



what do you know about conjunction?

Please this is politics not comedy, go play with your type.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by agwatadavid: 7:08am On Apr 15, 2023
In dealing with this matter you don't just look at the surface only but also go to the source and understand the act or laws that established the FCT. It's then you will know if FCT is special or not. understanding the conjunction word "And" . Using logic here to explain brings more argument.

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Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Tzar(m): 7:15am On Apr 15, 2023
100% KWARET!
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by laskab(f): 7:18am On Apr 15, 2023
Walahi, you are on point. The question is also that why are the 'Obidients' only probing States Jagaban won? Why are they not talking about Kano where they lost? If you have been to Kano, you will know that there are Christians & many tribes living or working in the State. Isn't it corruption to misinterprete law in other to favour a person?
This is simple English o & is unfortunate that such misinterpretation of simple English is causing complexities for some Nigerian lawyers.
No wonder countries like UK insist that we must pass English test like IELTS despite speaking English.

infogeneral:
β€œSimply put, the 36 States and the FCT go together. It is disingenuous to argue otherwise". The constitution is very straightforward but some mischievous people are trying to be clever by half. Suddenly they forgot that the conjunction 'and' also means including e.g The money is for Mr A and B. The conjunction and has included Mr B in the sharing of the money.

It's so unfortunate that the high level of dishonesty in this country is so high that even people who should know the road are part of those who are leading people to the wrong destination. If the constitution has confered such arbitrary power on the FCT to determine the winner, shouldn't that be a cause for worry for any right thinking Nigerian? Because with that, there can never be a free and fair election in the Country. All the politicians need when elections are approaching is to everything possible to dominate the FCT including mobilizing thier supporters to transfer thier polling units to Abuja and cast their votes there since the FCT would have been a battle ground.

I urge all Nigerians to remove thier emotional blindfolds and speak the truth at all time whether or not it aligns with their feelings. Only the truth can set us free as a nation.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by HIPROFILE(m): 7:23am On Apr 15, 2023
Old men and peoples fathers proudly coming out, Opening their mouth to say silly things just to please their master instead of standing for the truth.

Elders no longer know their value and what they stand for in this country.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Heene: 7:23am On Apr 15, 2023
Abuja not 37th State

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ABUJA IS NOT A STATE

Section 134 says: A candidate must secure 1/4th (25%) of votes cast in 2/3rd of the entire 36 States of Nigeria and 1/4th (25%) of votes cast in FCT.

Abuja is not the 37th State! those making that argument are not aware of why, that Constitutional Section 134 insist that winner of Presidency must get majority Votes and 1/4 of 2/3rd of 36 States and 1/4 in Abuja: because of the 1979 Presidential election twelve 2/3 Court controversy by Richard Akinjide SAN; when Nigeria had 19 States. In Court, UPN Leader; bitterly argued that a State cannot be divided into 2/3rd and Shagari should win 13 States; because a State is equivalent to an Egg, that cannot maintain validity if divided.

The Military Regimes of IBB and Abacha received advise to create States with 2/3rd divisibility without being Fractioned: Justice Niki Tobi led the Constitution Review Panel in 1999 imposing conditions in Section 134; to avoid a twenty four 2/3rd controversy from 37 States: hence the separation of Abuja. This was the thinking of the Constitution Review Panel in 1999, to avoid that twelve 2/3rd Math controversy of 1979.

Numbers divisible by 2/3rd from 1 to 45 without a Fraction are the following:3=2,6=4,9=6,12=8,15=10,18=12,21=14,24=16,27=18,30=20,33=22,36=24,39=26,42=28,45=30.



The National Assembly should create 2 States and designate
Abuja; as the 39th State like territory to avoid a twenty four 2/3rd scenario. The Supreme Court's job is to interpret the law and put clarity where fogginess exist; by jumping into the Minds of the Law Authors: by jumping into the Minds of the Law Authors. IBB created 21 and then 30 States total; while Abacha made them 36. Stakeholders ensured State creation divisibility by 2/3rd without a Fraction by both Leaders: but they forgot that Abuja was going to count separately; otherwise, IBB and Abacha would have created 20,29 and 35 States respectively; to bring the total with Abuja to 21,30 and 36 States accordingly: ensuring 2/3 divisibility without a Fraction

From 1999,2003,2007,2011,2015 and 2019, every President elect got that 1/4 Votes in FCT, the record is not challengeable! Magicians cooking Numbers, forgot to apply their Magic at Abuja, the Diplomatic and International Community are browsing Section 134 of Nigeria's Constitution and probably expect a Magic Interpretation in our Judiciary; because the outcome of the elections does not correspond with the atmosphere in the Country! tribalism ethnicity and sentiments apart: a Person's Stomach is the first rule of Life, people fighting for Cash daily and in Banks; could not have put APC back in power.

Abuja has about 4 States total (Kwara,Kaduna,Plateau and Niger): the bulk of Abuja is from Niger State; Apc won Governorships in Niger,Kaduna,Kwara and Plateau States. and failed to get 25% of Votes in Abuja; surely is a Red Flag! INEC needs to conduct a run off election to confirm true Presidency in Nigeria.

The language of Section 134 is Crystal clear concise, without ambiguity and with unwavering English: if Abuja gets State status; 2 more States need to be created to make the total Number of States 38 plus Abuja=39: 2/3 divisibility of 39 without a fraction will be 26 States: in the absence of this , the law in Section 134 does not support INEC'S decision in this m!atter, a bad mistake was made.

The Roots of this matter has been uprooted for all to see the radix; to ensure confusion ends! INEC too has received proper explanation of Section 134.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Heene: 7:24am On Apr 15, 2023
ABUJA IS NOT A STATE

Section 134 says: A candidate must secure 1/4th (25%) of votes cast in 2/3rd of the entire 36 States of Nigeria and 1/4th (25%) of votes cast in FCT.

Abuja is not the 37th State! those making that argument are not aware of why, that Constitutional Section 134 insist that winner of Presidency must get majority Votes and 1/4 of 2/3rd of 36 States and 1/4 in Abuja: because of the 1979 Presidential election twelve 2/3 Court controversy by Richard Akinjide SAN; when Nigeria had 19 States. In Court, UPN Leader; bitterly argued that a State cannot be divided into 2/3rd and Shagari should win 13 States; because a State is equivalent to an Egg, that cannot maintain validity if divided.

The Military Regimes of IBB and Abacha received advise to create States with 2/3rd divisibility without being Fractioned: Justice Niki Tobi led the Constitution Review Panel in 1999 imposing conditions in Section 134; to avoid a twenty four 2/3rd controversy from 37 States: hence the separation of Abuja. This was the thinking of the Constitution Review Panel in 1999, to avoid that twelve 2/3rd Math controversy of 1979.

Numbers divisible by 2/3rd from 1 to 45 without a Fraction are the following:3=2,6=4,9=6,12=8,15=10,18=12,21=14,24=16,27=18,30=20,33=22,36=24,39=26,42=28,45=30.



The National Assembly should create 2 States and designate
Abuja; as the 39th State like territory to avoid a twenty four 2/3rd scenario. The Supreme Court's job is to interpret the law and put clarity where fogginess exist; by jumping into the Minds of the Law Authors: by jumping into the Minds of the Law Authors. IBB created 21 and then 30 States total; while Abacha made them 36. Stakeholders ensured State creation divisibility by 2/3rd without a Fraction by both Leaders: but they forgot that Abuja was going to count separately; otherwise, IBB and Abacha would have created 20,29 and 35 States respectively; to bring the total with Abuja to 21,30 and 36 States accordingly: ensuring 2/3 divisibility without a Fraction

From 1999,2003,2007,2011,2015 and 2019, every President elect got that 1/4 Votes in FCT, the record is not challengeable! Magicians cooking Numbers, forgot to apply their Magic at Abuja, the Diplomatic and International Community are browsing Section 134 of Nigeria's Constitution and probably expect a Magic Interpretation in our Judiciary; because the outcome of the elections does not correspond with the atmosphere in the Country! tribalism ethnicity and sentiments apart: a Person's Stomach is the first rule of Life, people fighting for Cash daily and in Banks; could not have put APC back in power.

Abuja has about 4 States total (Kwara,Kaduna,Plateau and Niger): the bulk of Abuja is from Niger State; Apc won Governorships in Niger,Kaduna,Kwara and Plateau States. and failed to get 25% of Votes in Abuja; surely is a Red Flag! INEC needs to conduct a run off election to confirm true Presidency in Nigeria.

The language of Section 134 is Crystal clear concise, without ambiguity and with unwavering English: if Abuja gets State status; 2 more States need to be created to make the total Number of States 38 plus Abuja=39: 2/3 divisibility of 39 without a fraction will be 26 States: in the absence of this , the law in Section 134 does not support INEC'S decision in this m!atter, a bad mistake was made.

The Roots of this matter has been uprooted for all to see the radix; to ensure confusion ends! INEC too has received proper explanation of Section 134.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by OGHENAOGIE(m): 7:37am On Apr 15, 2023
Hollygrail:
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Below are reasons why Abuja is like every other States of the federation.

1. Abuja has one senatorial slot - we
have 3 senators per state times 36 States that is 108 plus the only one from Abuja makes it 109. It's the 36 States and the FCT.

2. Abuja like every other States has a commissioner of police and NYSC Corp Members are being mobilised to Abuja like every other States.

3. Abuja also have local government areas like every other States.

na to de luk them sha... Let them keep making noise it's Political entertainment...
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by zoedew: 7:40am On Apr 15, 2023
ganisucks:


https://independent.ng/presidential-election-25-votes-in-fct-not-mandatory-senator-osunbor/
So we have 37 States in Nigeria!πŸ€”πŸ§. Truth is that the FCT is a creation of statute which has a special status ranking with that of a State given that it is the Capital of Nigeria. You must win there to have won 25% in two thirds of the 36 States. The issue of Electoral College is inapplicable here given that the express mention of a thing ( provision for a rerun) is the exclusion of other things not mentioned. Solution is a rerun but that would be creating a constitutional crisis and vacuum in government plus it comes at a great cost to our fragile economy to have the money it would take to have the rerun. What to do? On grounds of public policy and the doctrine of necessity the Interpretation to be given is to say that a win is not mandatory in the FCT!
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by iReddington: 7:47am On Apr 15, 2023
Afamsi:
No be by title, na by IQ
But you are lacking in IQ, commonsense and education, you seem to think like a school dropout if simple common sense and interpretation can elude you. You don't need to a constitutional lawyer to know what the prof and what Tinubu is saying that FCT voters are not special is valid, but you're daft and colored by ethic sentiments.
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Bryanxx: 7:48am On Apr 15, 2023
APCNig:


That's a professor of Law. Your own candidate graduated with a 3rd Class in Philosophy. Can you see that when the professor talks, you and your candidate should be quiet?

Your candidate graduated with what please?
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by ginggerxy: 7:54am On Apr 15, 2023
APCNig:


When a professor talks, school dropouts should be quiet.
Adamu Garba should keep quiet?
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Winnerpoks: 8:15am On Apr 15, 2023
Hollygrail:
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Below are reasons why Abuja is like every other States of the federation.

1. Abuja has one senatorial slot - we
have 3 senators per state times 36 States that is 108 plus the only one from Abuja makes it 109. It's the 36 States and the FCT.

2. Abuja like every other States has a commissioner of police and NYSC Corp Members are being mobilised to Abuja like every other States.

3. Abuja also have local government areas like every other States.





Something wey you read clearly you still dey display ignorance
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Savechild23: 8:32am On Apr 15, 2023
Ewu it means that FCT is exclusive in the State according to constitution.
U can’t twist it any further
Re: Prof Osunbor: No Place In Constitution That Says You Must Score 25% In FCT by Elliotwaveforec: 8:35am On Apr 15, 2023
There's a book on Company Law this man wrote; truly, a prof is a prof. I scored 4 in that course.

'Opening the veil of incorporation' - separating the company from the person who commits a crime.

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