VisaInfoNL:


No Nigerian has legal ownership of properties?
Why do you say so?

IbeOkehie:


Please what is 500K biko? As in 500,000 NAIRA, right? Don't make me laugh. That's what, $1K? Oga be serious, haba!!!

I've followed the progress of some of them. One of them, a couple actually, went to Canada, got oil & gas jobs there and are doing just fine. They eventually returned to the USA legally as Canadian citizens and are still in the industry.

Another guy actually went broke and basically homeless for a while. Then they did the easiest thing to make your stay in America much more stable - they had a baby, an AUTOMATIC CITIZEN. Look up the term ANCHOR BABY. They actually went on welfare, got government provided housing and the wife went to nursing school FOR FREE, the guy I sincerely don't know what job he's into now. A nurse I'm sure can comfortably afford to send $1K to Nigeria every few months.

By the way in the USA state of Massachussets, ILLEGAL immigrants who have babies get so much money you wonder why ANYONE would choose to work at all. If you doubt me, research the topic on the internet. I know a Nigerian illegal immigrant couple with kids that collects over $3K in benefits every month. And it's your guess if they work on the side for cash....what do you think? The major risk to this scenario is actually DIVORCE, but for a couple that are dedicated to each other? Ol' boy the SKY is the limit.

I hate to sound crass, but seriously, even ₦‎1million naira a month is shitty compared to what a penniless immigrant can make in the USA after being here 3 to 5 years. I mean, go down ANY major street in urban areas and McDonalds is hiring at minimum of $11 per hour...or you can go to Indian hoteliers that will hire illegals AND house you in the hotel too.

Nobody is chasing immigrants in the USA the least of us here live better than anyone making 500K in Nigeria....500K My mother got to this country at age 55yrs and did better than that within a year!!!

Call me whatever you like, I've said my piece. I'll end with an important question. Think about it...has Nigeria gotten much better or much worse since 2013 or 2015? What do you think?

Cheers!

SangoOlukosoOba:


From the statements you made, someone collecting welfare is not doing fine. I own 6 properties in the US and know what plays!

You mentioned warfare like it’s a plus? It’s because they are poor and why they are getting it.

Also, you mentioned how someone crossed to Canada to get asylum. Are you talking of same oil worker doing fine in Nigeria? Do you know how much he has expended in those lost years?


Stop hyping American or Canadian citizenship, that what as been fooling a lot! It guarantees NOTHING! Only JJC’s hype it. All those below poverty line in the US are American citizens too. It’s about the work you put in over a long period of time.


Your last statement is what deceived many. You made the journey look so easy and happening within considerate time.

You in Houston, you should know better. If it’s that easy, those factories won’t be filled up with Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:


Again, simple question - these people made their migrant decisions in 2013 to 2015. Has Nigeria gotten better or worse since then?

Cheers!

SangoOlukosoOba:


Traded accomplishment in Nigeria for welfare in the USA. I know the life people who qualify for welfare live.

You telling me an oil worker with 500k salary and probably a house over his head in Nigeria, ended up with welfare in the US? And you claimed that he is doing fine?

Let’s say the truth and stop painting mirages.

IbeOkehie:


Must I say everything? Try and read between the lines. I'll keep it short - people collect welfare and still work for CASH on the side. It's a very common thing and being in the USA, I'm sure you know....or should know.

Hello?

IbeOkehie:


Read your Constitution. Look up the Land Use Act.

This one is how you know how OBLIVIOUS Nigerians are to their own country.

Do yourself a favour, read up. And it's REAL. And it HAPPENS to lots and lots of people in Nigeria but for some reason very few talk about it due to shame and embarrassment. And every Nigerian should be ashamed.

Cheers!

004gist:

I made an illustration.

and yes there is a 10k pounds school right now but their deposit is 5400.
there are few 13k right now their deposit is 6000..

most of these schools deposit were only increased this year due to the inability of students to pay their fees on time and also the influx of students....

like my school last year it was 2k deposit but this year it is 4k.

IbeOkehie:

You can look through my comment record. I address it at length. Not on HOW to get to the USA, but what others with no skills have done to earn a good living upon arrival. Not only is it simple stuff, I've seen people do it for DECADES and make a good life for themselves, better than they would likely have in Nigeria.
Cheers.

VisaInfoNL:

I know about the LUA bro. I knew it could probably be where you were referring to. I thought there were other things meant.

Land being invested in government, governor, revocation etc.

For practical purposes, most Nigerians have legal ownership. I wouldn't want to stretch it further but I know whereof I speak.

VisaInfoNL:


Thanks

Don't UK offer scholarships like many US and Canadian schools?

SangoOlukosoOba:


You are right!

They collect welfare because they earn peanuts

musicwriter:


It's not that they're more intelligent than us. But the thing is that their ancestors went across the world conquering and robbing innocent people. Upon that (and the most important) they changed the languages, education, Gods in other lands, so that those they conquered can never exceed them.

Whoever gives you language, education, religion would control you, in fact, our psyche is being controlled right here in real time as we process our thoughts and communicate in the language they gave us.

But it's not as if someone didn't foresee all these. Once the UK began nursing the idea of exiting the European Union, I set off an alarm bell warning Africans right here on Nairaland on what to expect. And that's exactly what's happening in the UK today.

I made it clear that there's no way the UK can survive outside of the European Union without resorting to some sort of re-enslavment of black people. I've researched how they operate and fool people around the world and it was very clear to me from the beginning what they'll do. If you go back to my threads here you'll see warning posts or go to my blog www.africason.com and read the article that says "it's time to abolish the common wealth of nations". That's where I summarized what they're about.

The British and French secret services traced me to Benin republic after I wrote that article- using black people!!

The problem now is that when told let's be free indeed, let's reclaim our languages, education, religion, we refuse because they've messed up our minds in such a way that we're unable to see reality beyond what they've imposed.

IbeOkehie:


No...like every Nigerian they collect because they're greedy and smart. Same thing Nigerians do back home with illegal NEPA connections and paying bribes to get admission to University. These people collect the welfare then do side jobs that earn them another $3K per month, tax free.

You were the one emphasizing the magnitude of 500K salary in Nigeria which is just $700, really nothing at all. A Nigerian family on welfare in California or Massachusetts can comfortably save that amount in a month and send it to Nigeria.

With time depending on their attitude, they will get off welfare, [b]especially when they've saved enough to buy a house. THE MAJOR WAY that welfare keeps people poor is that you can't own a house in the USA and be on any welfare. [/b]Never. And home ownership is the major path to wealth accumulation for the middle class in the USA because home values tend to rise....you know this of course. This is HOW those on welfare become poor.

Also another thing....do you know that every legal resident of the USA over age 65 is entitled to collect a minimum of about $600 in Social Security even if you never worked a single day? Even immigrants are entitled. It's crazy and makes no sense but there you are, it's the USA, land of the free.

Only 0.4% of Nigerian workers in Nigeria earn over N200K. That's $270 equivalent, truly ridiculous. What percent even earn N500K? Of course ALL the ones on Nairaland earn way above that, but the exact percentage would be interesting to know.

Depressing

Nigeria is a poverty stricken hell hole.

Tufiakwa!

tensazangetsu20:



Even in the tech hes calling only around 5 percent are lucky to get good paying remote jobs. Majority have no jobs.

004gist:

they offer scholarships but most comes in % that's tuition fee discount
my school offer like 2500.

The scholarship u get depends on ur grade. if u get higher grade like first class and high end 2:1 u are likely to get higher % from most schools. I have seen someone with 50%.

ok thanks

If you had free will to choose, would you have chosen

UK
USA
Canada
Germany
etc

And why please?

Tadadobe:


Don’t mind them . I have a brother in the UK packing snow and earns £3.5M per month. That’s £42M per year o. About 3.7 billion naira per year. Truth is Nigeria is a scam. Anyone that has the means to japa should do so

DeeBaDan:




That's not true. I've been a remote worker for eight years and have enjoyed very good Regular income eight years running

dejavus:
So much uninformed people in this thread.

I know people who arrived in the last 12 months that have had to exchange naira to Pounds to buy basics like milk bread and eggs to feed their family occasionally when there is no work.

Mostly do Amazon warehouse jobs, on their feet for 8 to 12 hours straight, Care work if they can manage to find one, remember 1000s have been admitted into the UK in the last 12 months on the tier 2 care work visa hence agency care work shifts aren't as available as before.

Life is tough even for long term residents cost of living crisis and aftereffect of Brexit is just kicking in.

Don't spend 10 million naira to japa, it's not worth it for a lot of people.

tensazangetsu20:


Same here. I was a remote worker earning well and saved enough to leave but not many people had the opportunity. I know so many people still looking for roles. Just because you had it good doesn't mean others do.

DeeBaDan:



I always have this mentality


Just because you had it good doesn't mean others do.


I've dumped the idea of traveling out to building businesses here. If people changed their mentality to buuidking businesses here, they'll be better off

IbeOkehie:


Dear Sir, nobody owns land in Nigeria. Where else are we to look but the LUA, which is part of the Constitution? Practical REALITY is when a governor REVOKES the land rights of his political opponents. We ALL know that it happens.

Aside that, MANY people in my family and social circle have had "their" lands taken by government in both city and rural areas.

Another question- do you know anyone in Nigeria whose lands have been taken by government?

Read the Land Use Act. And if that one doesn't convince you, what if crude oil or any other mineral is discovered on your land? You gonna argue that one too?

The mass ignorance about land ownership in Nigeria is comparable to the mass delusion of THERE IS NO FUEL SUBSIDY. How grown people and even lawyers can't face the REALITY of the laws in a democracy is quite 🤔 Says a lot about Nigerians.

Cheers!

SaintUlot:
Don't let anybody deceive you not to japa o,

A friend who sold all his properties and japa to UK on a student visa with his wife and four kids, just in two years of being in the UK with student Visa, he now has two four star hotels in lekki and five duplexes in ajah and lekki areas of Lagos generating rental income for him steadily. Just in two years ooo, this is someone who borrowed money to travel after selling all his properties and he couldn't raise enough fund at the time.

If he can achieve all that just in two years, now imagine what he would have achieve in four years.

IbeOkehie:


Simple reading and comprehension. The $30K to $70K salary is the MONTHLY pay for many drilling engineers right there in Nigeria. And that's not hearsay, because I've seen the paychecks with my own two eyes. Reread the post and get the gist of the issue which is this - how many people earn like that in Nigeria? To say, it's unjustified to use such high earners as examples of Nigerian success.

The more important question should be - how many in Nigeria can afford to live at a world recognized & reasonable middle class standard? I've lived in Nigeria and I can tell you it's not up to 1% of the population.

I've figured out by means I will not disclose, that most of the anti-migration crew on this forum live in Nigeria and have NEVER travelled out of the country. But just start by going over their posting history. It's an eye opener. It's hard to tell LIES consistently.

If you're living well in Nigeria, good for you. Ex-President Buhari, President Tinubu, Peter Obi and Abubakar Atiku and their families seem to PREFER the US & UK so I'll follow their lead. At least I know who they are.

Good Luck !

tensazangetsu20:


Goodluck with your Nigerian business. Not everyone is suited to do business. Even in super wealthy capitalist countries, not everyone does business.

SangoOlukosoOba:



Don’t twist the narrative. Whoever is still collecting welfare legally or illegally is still struggling. Do you know implication of cheating the system? Who does it is definitely in need of it and like I said, still struggling.

The class of people you mentioned earlier would never do such in Nigeria because they were above being comfortable.


And stop comparing or interrelating values of currency between nations. It is baseless and holds no water. The value you get is always different. I can spend $200 eating a considerable portion of seafood in Newyork, that same amount of converted to Naira, will feed 5 people till they throw up. That’s just an example, the value is always different.

I will reinstate, some people have past that level of Japa, it’s the lies been sold to them that makes go astray.

Japa has those it favours, people who have nothing to lose. Not those who have accomplished loads over years and having prospects of attaining heights. Why trade for a new life where you have to start illegitimately soliciting for welfare. Something you would never do back home where you claim to a shithole

DeeBaDan:

I keep asking why people would have to spend 10M Naira just to travel out when they can setup businesses with that figure and fork out up to 30M annually on a 10M investment.

It's the mentality, people don't want to invest in their country, but prefer to splash it on frivolous travel trips

DeeBaDan:

Those guys must be lucky. I've had both uncle's and acquaintances who have worked in Mobil to Shell,Escarvos drilling fields and they didn't earn a fraction of this figure

IbeOkehie:


I saw the paychecks with my own eyes, shown to me by a manager in the industry.

Directional drillers and subsea specialists were earning between $500 and $1,500 per day at that time, around 2010, 2011. These guys practically lived on the rigs for weeks or months at a time and I think ALL their time there counted as working days.

The funny thing is 2 of those guys with those huge paychecks ended up migrating from Nigeria to the USA and Canada. Even me I was surprised at the time but the last 10 years in Nigeria shows they had foresight.

I keep asking....is Nigeria better or worse than 10 years ago?

Simple. No big debate about what is sooooo obvious.

Cheers!

DeeBaDan:





Why should we believe this. Haba



The British and French secret services traced me to Benin republic after I wrote that article- using black people!!

adecz:



That's why we import a lot of accidented
cars from the US.

A badly accidented car that a Nigerian
panel beater may accept 50k as workmanship,
an American panel beater may take
nothing less than $3000, about N2m, since
they charge you per hour of work on
the car. As such, such cars are written off
by insurance companies and auctioned off.

But since dem born Africans with suffer head,
we go import am come give Lasisi panel
beater to work on it for 2 months, @ 50k❗️❗️😁😁

tensazangetsu20:


Goodluck with your Nigerian business. Not everyone is suited to do business. Even in super wealthy capitalist countries, not everyone does business.

IbeOkehie:



What is this nonsense I keep reading about 10 million naira? That's NOT a big amount of money, it's actually too small to tip the probabilities of success in Nigeria. I keep asking questions but no one answers....now, have you ever run a business in Nigeria?

(1) If making a 300% return is so easy in Nigeria, every Fortune 500 company would be in Nigeria in the same way they're in China.

(2) If making such profits was a decent probability, the unemployment rate in Nigeria wouldn't be over 30%.

This isn't too hard to figure out. Nigeria is a HELLISH place for business. That's why the economy is stagnating and has been that way for a a decade and arguably longer. Sheeesh!



I saw the paychecks with my own eyes, shown to me by a manager in the industry.

Directional drillers and subsea specialists were earning between $500 and $1,500 per day at that time, around 2010, 2011. These guys practically lived on the rigs for weeks or months at a time and I think ALL their time there counted as working days.

The funny thing is 2 of those guys with those huge paychecks ended up migrating from Nigeria to the USA and Canada. Even me I was surprised at the time but the last 10 years in Nigeria shows they had foresight.

I keep asking....is Nigeria better or worse than 10 years ago?

Simple. No big debate about what is sooooo obvious.

Cheers!