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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 11:31am On Jul 10, 2023
Minjim:
Get your facts right.

Ukraine isn't fighting Russia. Ukraine is only defending it's territory and people.

It was Russia that invaded Ukraine.
To think this war began last year sheer ignorance.

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Karnice600: 11:48am On Jul 10, 2023
Myer:


How do we forget so easily that US is not after the interest of any country but theirs?
War is simply business to US. Can you imagine how much US is making from this Russia-Ukraine war?

Yes, Russia has no right to dictate to Ukraine what body to join or not. However their concern is note-worthy if you understand the history between USSR and USA.

I sincerely hope Zelenskyy and Putin come to Peace terms as Zelenskyy comes to realise that their common enemy is USA and not each other.


Can you imagine how much US is making from this Russia-Ukraine war?


Lolz. Please tell me how they're making the money? Oh, you think Ukraine buy weapons from the US?
What's the meaning of 'aid' in your dictionary?
Please check and revert.

When I throw jabs at some of you anti- America fans here who claim pan Africans , claim to know their history and try hard to sound woke or smart , its because you lack substance for educative or beneficial discussions.

Please look up the meaning of 'aid' in your dictionary and get back to me. Shalom.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Karnice600: 12:20pm On Jul 10, 2023
Onucs:


The same kinda relationship they wanted to established with Cuba b4 Fidel Castro miraculously pulled out his people from under their whim for life, u mean?

Guy, as a country, if you are growing, The US would either wanna control you or be a part of your system. Anything other than that, they just wanna destroy you. That's why they wanna bring down Russia so bad. And if that happens, they will face china with all the strenght they have got. I pray that day never comes.

Russia no know wetin God do for them, giving them a leader like Putin. I wish Nigeria gets a leader like Putin so that, she can finally pull herself out of this frustrating western democracy (sorry, demonstration-of-craze).
Hushhh..
You're too loud Sir and you know nothing about what you're saying. I mean absolutely nothing.
US is suppressive on her neighbours na e Mexicans influx into US as if na heaven. What do you think made Trump sarcastically talk about building a wall between them?
Smh.

I no know how e come reach this level sha. How una go just open mouth waah dey talk wetin una no even understand. You, Pansophist, lhordspy, seuny4life, etc.. Una suppose follow the ongoing trend, try set new records on GWR for stupidity.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by DaTruths: 12:23pm On Jul 10, 2023
[quote author=Masterviolence post=124330349][/quote]

No country can invade Russia with Artillery, Adolf Hitler couldn't.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by juman(m): 1:02pm On Jul 10, 2023
The foolish ukrainian people MUST stop listening to america and nato.
They are their biggest enemies.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 1:11pm On Jul 10, 2023
God1000:
Lol. did I say God isn't real

As for Ukraine not joining NATO, it will surely happen, they've been pushed to the wall

One of the requirements every potential member must meet before joining NATO is that it must not be in territorial dispute with any other country.

Given this reality, Ukraine can never join Nato.

So unless Ukraine defeats the Russians and kicks them out of Crimea, Kherson, Donetsk, Bakhmut, and other occupied territories amounting to over 145,000km Sq, (the size of Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg x2), I don't see any hope for Ukraine joining Nato.

And even if Ukraine successfully reclaimed back all its territories, the fact that Russia still considers such territories theirs, Ukraine will still not join. Don't take my word for it, look at what happened to Georgia.

Before the Ukrainian War, Georgia wanted to join Nato and Russia helped Abkhazia and Ossetia get independence and recognized them as a country. These countries are occupied by the Russian army as a peacekeeping force.

That act destroyed Georgia's qualification to join Nato unless Georgia recognize them as independent countries, or go fight them, and in this case, they will be fighting the Russians.

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 1:33pm On Jul 10, 2023
Masterviolence:


Which wall?
When Russia, their elder brother was telling them that what they were doing is wrong and there are repercussions they didn't listen, they believed in the reassurance from the west in armaments and Intel.

The reason Ukraine still have a voice to speak is because there is no Stalin-like president in Russia.

Putin is just so lenient, they should thank God for that because they would've been bombarded from the surface of the earth if Stalin is the current president of Russia.

Putin is not lenient, what Putin (and Xi) are doing is killing Western imperialism slowly. Within a space of one year, look at what has happened to the US empire.

1. Global de-dollarisation has been kick-started. The more the war prolongs, the West will act completely irrationally and break its own rule (eg supplying cluster bombs to Ukraine), deplete its weapon reserves (which already happened), and waste money on a war that further destroys its empire.

2. Chinese needed American hands tied for a long time, so they can focus on destroying Western hegemony in Asia. You already see it with the China-Saudi romance, the peace brokered between Iran and Saudi, the Central Asia Summit that took place in Xian, and all the countries that have started trading in their own currencies, and it will get worse as the war prolongs.

3. The US is officially broke now. Jellen just landed in China to beg the Chinese to buy US bonds. A few weeks ago it was Blinken that traveled to China, and a few weeks before that it was Lloyd Austin begging China to open military communication Channels.

4. China has started flexing its diplomatic muscle, and the world has recognized it as a fair power. They are in the process of establishing peace between Israel and Palestine, just like they did with Saudi and Iran.

5. BRICS have been strengthened, and seen by the global south as a safe bloc to join, away from Western imperialism. Iran just officially became a member of SCO.

So, bros, war is not just winning on the battlefield. Ukraine was just a symptom. The real war this world faces is Western imperialism, and that is what has to be destroyed. The Chinese are working. Give them time. The world has changed for good.

You see that Chinese political slogan of ¨common prosperity¨, it will reach all of us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_prosperity

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by royalfly(m): 1:48pm On Jul 10, 2023
maasoap:


Even after you read what Biden said? Zelensky should have known better than to poke tiger in the eye. He shouldn't have provoked Russia, no any superpower nation would allow its neighbours to open doors for its enemies

Please how fid he provoke Russia? I hope the provocation you talking about is not the one mentioned in your comment. A sovereign nation can do what ever it likes, as long as it's not in contrast with any international laws. When Russia did not like Ukraines politics all they would have done is play a good regional politic and not this outright bully, the world has gone past this type of diplomatic tool being used by Russia.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 5:17pm On Jul 10, 2023
pansophist:


Putin is not lenient, what Putin (and Xi) are doing is killing Western imperialism slowly. Within a space of one year, look at what has happened to the US empire.

1. Global de-dollarisation has been kick-started. The more the war prolongs, the West will act completely irrationally and break its own rule (eg supplying cluster bombs to Ukraine), deplete its weapon reserves (which already happened), and waste money on a war that further destroys its empire.

2. Chinese needed American hands tied for a long time, so they can focus on destroying Western hegemony in Asia. You already see it with the China-Saudi romance, the peace brokered between Iran and Saudi, the Central Asia Summit that took place in Xian, and all the countries that have started trading in their own currencies, and it will get worse as the war prolongs.

3. The US is officially broke now. Jellen just landed in China to beg the Chinese to buy US bonds. A few weeks ago it was Blinken that traveled to China, and a few weeks before that it was Lloyd Austin begging China to open military communication Channels.

4. China has started flexing its diplomatic muscle, and the world has recognized it as a fair power. They are in the process of establishing peace between Israel and Palestine, just like they did with Saudi and Iran.

5. BRICS have been strengthened, and seen by the global south as a safe bloc to join, away from Western imperialism. Iran just officially became a member of SCO.

So, bros, war is not just winning on the battlefield. Ukraine was just a symptom. The real war this world faces is Western imperialism, and that is what has to be destroyed. The Chinese are working. Give them time. The world has changed for good.

You see that Chinese political slogan of ¨common prosperity¨, it will reach all of us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_prosperity
What of Nigerian case nko? Do you really think her situation will get better if she is eventually freed from the iron grip of Imperialism?
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 5:40pm On Jul 10, 2023
VeeVeeMyLuv:

What of Nigerian case nko? Do you really think her situation will get better if she is eventually freed from the iron grip of Imperialism?

Nigeria and most underdeveloped countries have been defeated by imperialism, and are unable to free themselves unless the international order changes.

Presently, the world is under the "international rule base order" Imposed by the West on all. This order will never see countries in the global South develop, and even the develop ones paid with the loss of their sovereignty.

For Nigeria and the global South to escape the grip of imperialism, a new global order has to emerge, and that's what China and Russia are working hard to create.

Smaller countries are powerless in this game of global politics, they can only align to a bloc, not create one for themselves.

Any country that doesn't have nuclear weapons have no choice but to fall under western imperialism. Nuclear weapon is your only guarantee to sovereignty.

If you notice, the West have problems with all countries that are truly independent. And if you also notice, all these countries have nuclear weapons. So North Korea, China, Russia and India to some extent.

Nigeria fate has been sealed already, the country is too powerless to do anything. If you know how many CIA operatives are scattered inside Nigeria, or the US airbase 201 in Agadez, Niger, that overseas everything that happens in the region, to counter any attempts that will undermine their hegemony.

Make I stop here. The more you know about the sad situation of the black race, the more you'll understand that there is a kind of sadness that tears cannot reveal. And in such sadness, you can't cry because crying makes it worse.

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 7:30pm On Jul 10, 2023
Masterviolence:
grin
Premature

All this noise will not be heard after that summit in Lithuania.

Ukraine joining NATO is all but a dream, there's a reason over 30 countries don't want to go to war with Russia.

Alone, no country can win a war against Russia conventionally, yet Ukraine decide to fight against them for an outsider.

The pace of this war was decided in the beginning by Putin and Russia, because taking over Ukraine in the beginning would've been a grave mistake for the Russians, a borden too heavy to carry.
Also killing while fighting against your own people is easier said than done.

The phase of this war now is for Ukrainians to go to the Frontlines and die.

Shut up and stop talking trash my fren! When were u born? Who told u Russia can win a conventional war? How many conventional wars has Russia won without use of WMDs??

U think a conventional war is just about ammunition? There’s logistics, man power, sea power of which the US has the highest number of aircraft carrier, there’s also finance which means the economy has to be so good to maintain the war for a very long time

The only way Russia keeps maintaining her dominance is nuclear threats and that’s because they know they can’t win a conventional war. Even China without any war experience will drill them in a conventional warfare?
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 7:36pm On Jul 10, 2023
Masterviolence:


Which wall?
When Russia, their elder brother was telling them that what they were doing is wrong and there are repercussions they didn't listen, they believed in the reassurance from the west in armaments and Intel.

The reason Ukraine still have a voice to speak is because there is no Stalin-like president in Russia.

Putin is just so lenient, they should thank God for that because they would've been bombarded from the surface of the earth if Stalin is the current president of Russia.

You’re really a whack analyst. Your Pro-Putin mindset has made u not to think rationally

Who told u Russia is Ukraine’s older brother? For Pete’s sake Ukraine is older than Russia and then latter originated from the former

Gosh! Where do all these cut and join analysts get their facts?
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by seguno2: 8:12pm On Jul 10, 2023
VeeVeeMyLuv:

What of Nigerian case nko? Do you really think her situation will get better if she is eventually freed from the iron grip of Imperialism?

How did the Yoruba vassal kingdoms eventually free themselves from the iron grip of Alaafin’s imperialism
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Gerrard59(m): 2:50am On Jul 11, 2023
pansophist:


2. Chinese needed American hands tied for a long time, so they can focus on destroying Western hegemony in Asia. You already see it with the China-Saudi romance, the peace brokered between Iran and Saudi, the Central Asia Summit that took place in Xian, and all the countries that have started trading in their own currencies, and it will get worse as the war prolongs.

3. The US is officially broke now. Jellen just landed in China to beg the Chinese to buy US bonds. A few weeks ago it was Blinken that traveled to China, and a few weeks before that it was Lloyd Austin begging China to open military communication Channels.

5. BRICS have been strengthened, and seen by the global south as a safe bloc to join, away from Western imperialism. Iran just officially became a member of SCO.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_prosperity

You have done a good job in teaching/informing folks about Western hegemony on Nairaland. Well done. That said, what do you think about the proposal? Why China, why not India Or Japan? What are the implications should China buy US bonds? What happens if China refuses to buy them? Any similarity with the Plaza Accord that decimated Japan's economy?
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Abascoh: 7:41am On Jul 11, 2023
Omicron007:
When it comes to international politics, God1000 is a chronic ass-licker of the west.
I take his views with a pinch of salt.
I have consistently told him to avoid CNN.
Honestly, any time I see his posts about democrats or the US, it's always looking like someone who has been seriously brainwashed by CNN and other liberal media.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:20am On Jul 11, 2023
Ebony2King:


Shut up and stop talking trash my fren! When were u born? Who told u Russia can win a conventional war? How many conventional wars has Russia won without use of WMDs??

U think a conventional war is just about ammunition? There’s logistics, man power, sea power of which the US has the highest number of aircraft carrier, there’s also finance which means the economy has to be so good to maintain the war for a very long time

The only way Russia keeps maintaining her dominance is nuclear threats and that’s because they know they can’t win a conventional war. Even China without any war experience will drill them in a conventional warfare?
I don't have time to lecture you on anything, i thank God that the rus didn't suffer millions of losses in WW2 without matching into Berlin.

The last time i checked, Russia has fought many wars and has never used WMD's on any nation.

All this emotionally dysregulated people.
The joke is on you. grin

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:24am On Jul 11, 2023
Gerrard59:


You have done a good job in teaching/informing folks about Western hegemony on Nairaland. Well done. That said, what do you think about the proposal? Why China, why not India Or Japan? What are the implications should China buy US bonds? What happens if China refuses to buy them? Any similarity with the Plaza Accord that decimated Japan's economy?
It was because of China that made the u.s and the world at large recover from the 2008 financial crisis.
Now the u.s economy is about to hit a stumbling block so they need a bailout for the Chinese just like in 2008, i bet this time it'll not come.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:28am On Jul 11, 2023
pansophist:


Putin is not lenient, what Putin (and Xi) are doing is killing Western imperialism slowly. Within a space of one year, look at what has happened to the US empire.

1. Global de-dollarisation has been kick-started. The more the war prolongs, the West will act completely irrationally and break its own rule (eg supplying cluster bombs to Ukraine), deplete its weapon reserves (which already happened), and waste money on a war that further destroys its empire.

2. Chinese needed American hands tied for a long time, so they can focus on destroying Western hegemony in Asia. You already see it with the China-Saudi romance, the peace brokered between Iran and Saudi, the Central Asia Summit that took place in Xian, and all the countries that have started trading in their own currencies, and it will get worse as the war prolongs.

3. The US is officially broke now. Jellen just landed in China to beg the Chinese to buy US bonds. A few weeks ago it was Blinken that traveled to China, and a few weeks before that it was Lloyd Austin begging China to open military communication Channels.

4. China has started flexing its diplomatic muscle, and the world has recognized it as a fair power. They are in the process of establishing peace between Israel and Palestine, just like they did with Saudi and Iran.

5. BRICS have been strengthened, and seen by the global south as a safe bloc to join, away from Western imperialism. Iran just officially became a member of SCO.

So, bros, war is not just winning on the battlefield. Ukraine was just a symptom. The real war this world faces is Western imperialism, and that is what has to be destroyed. The Chinese are working. Give them time. The world has changed for good.

You see that Chinese political slogan of ¨common prosperity¨, it will reach all of us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_prosperity
pansophist i understood the context you were driving at, i have said similar things like this several times, I'm only responding to those low level thinkers in a method that expresses a sense of reality if event unfolds.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 9:39am On Jul 11, 2023
Gerrard59:


You have done a good job in teaching/informing folks about Western hegemony on Nairaland. Well done. That said, what do you think about the proposal? Why China, why not India Or Japan? What are the implications should China buy US bonds? What happens if China refuses to buy them? Any similarity with the Plaza Accord that decimated Japan's economy?

With the plaza accord, the US was in the driver's seat. With the bonds issue, the Chinese are in the driver's seat. It's not the same thing. Buying US bonds in layman's terms is like your meat seller begging you to buy meat that you don't need.

Plaza Accord was a laser focus economic policy imposed on the Japanese that destroyed their economy, leading to what is known as the lost decade.

China will not buy US bonds this time. In Chinese views, the US cannot be trusted. No matter the agreement China has with these leaders in Beijing, they will revert back to their normal hate when they arrive in the US.

Also, why should China give its enemies that are bent on killing her the finances to do so? I mean if you are going to kill me, then you better work hard for my death. I won't give you the bullet you will shoot me with.

May I bring to your attention that in the 2008 financial crisis, China helped the US out of the crisis. When going to beg China then, just like now, the US offer some concessions and pledge not to poke China and harm its interests.

After the US was bailed out by China, what did the US do? They ganged up with Asia in the TPP agreement to disenfranchise China from the Asian market. That was under Obama.

Then Trump came in and launched a series of trade wars, tech wars, economic wars, and 24/7 media slandering. If you are China, what would you do? keep giving the US bullet to shoot you with?

Like manipulators, the US has no strength of its own to defeat China. It can only defeat China if China plays its own game. China should just ignore the US and let them do their worse.

So if China does not buy US bonds, the implication would be, as usual, constant media bashing, amplifying the China threat to the world, especially East Asian countries, and seeking to create a bloc of military confrontation.

But the key issue here is this. Buying US bonds won't prevent this, it will only postpone it, give the dragon more blood to be stronger, and become more ferocious.

All in all, I can always trust the Chinese to make a good decisions. They are master strategists, and China is led by competent leaders, not colored flag-waving mofos that are so hegemonic, to the point of stupidity.

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Bbbwings: 9:43am On Jul 11, 2023
pansophist:


With the plaza accord, the US was in the driver's seat. With the bonds issue, the Chinese are in the driver's seat. It's not the same thing. Buying US bonds in layman's terms is like your meat seller begging you to buy meat that you don't need.

Plaza Accord was a laser focus economic policy imposed on the Japanese that destroyed their economy, leading to what is known as the lost decade.

China will not buy US bonds this time. In Chinese views, the US cannot be trusted. No matter the agreement China has with these leaders in Beijing, they will revert back to their normal hate when they arrive in the US.

Also, why should China give its enemies that are bent on killing her the finances to do so? I mean if you are going to kill me, then you better work hard for my death. I won't give you the bullet you will shoot me with.

May I bring to your attention that in the 2008 financial crisis, China helped the US out of the crisis. When going to beg China then, just like now, the US offer some concessions and pledge not to poke China and harm its interests.

After the US was bailed out by China, what did the US do? They ganged up with Asia in the TPP agreement to disenfranchise China from the Asian market. That was under Obama.

Then Trump came in and launched a series of trade wars, tech wars, economic wars, and 24/7 media slandering. If you are China, what would you do? keep giving the US bullet to shoot you with?

Like manipulators, the US has no strength of its own to defeat China. It can only defeat China if China plays its own game. China should just ignore the US and let them do their worse.

So if China does not buy US bonds, the implication would be, as usual, constant media bashing, amplifying the China threat to the world, especially East Asian countries, and seeking to create a bloc of military confrontation.

But the key issue here is this. Buying US bonds won't prevent this, it will only postpone it, give the dragon more blood to be stronger, and become more ferocious.

All in all, I can always trust the Chinese to make a good decisions. They are master strategists, and China is led by competent leaders, not colored flag-waving mofos that are so hegemonic, to the point of stupidity.
Guy you sabi how he dey go.
Most people are not aware of Chinas role in tempering the effect of the 2008 financial crises
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45493147


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-investment-idUSTRE54I2H620090519


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-20/china-backs-obama-with-u-s-treasury-securities-rising-3-to-900-billion
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Otobong3374(m): 9:53am On Jul 11, 2023
thesicilian:
USA don knack Ukraine handicap grin grin grin
After tempting them with NATO membership and tricking them into war, they are stylishly abandoning Ukraine. Win or lose the war, America's aims have been actualised and Zelensky has proven to be the clown he's well known as.
African Maggot With Stupid Reasoning.
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by thesicilian: 10:41am On Jul 11, 2023
Otobong3374:
African Maggot With Stupid Reasoning.

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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by frog12: 1:56pm On Jul 11, 2023
only a foolish person will believe anything this man says. these US presidents are first-class LIARS !! grin grin grin grin
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 2:56pm On Jul 11, 2023
Masterviolence:

I don't have time to lecture you on anything, i thank God that the rus didn't suffer millions of losses in WW2 without matching into Berlin.

The last time i checked, Russia has fought many wars and has never used WMD's on any nation.

All this emotionally dysregulated people.
The joke is on you. grin

What wars did Russia fight conventionally and won? Don’t even mention Afghanistan because they left with terrible losses

The joke is more on u because u aren’t aware that wars are kept going by a powerful economy and consistent sea power 😂
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Stoplying: 3:11pm On Jul 11, 2023
Ebony2King:


What wars did Russia fight conventionally and won? Don’t even mention Afghanistan because they left with terrible losses

The joke is more on u because u aren’t aware that wars are kept going by a powerful economy and consistent sea power 😂
Ottoman
Sweden (carving out Finland)
French empire (Napoleon)
Germany WW2
Just to name a few
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:42pm On Jul 11, 2023
Watch USA president Biden Farting In Public And Sniffing A Little Girls body

https://youtube.com/shorts/I7l32yQYZx4
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Otobong3374(m): 6:10pm On Jul 16, 2023
[quote author=thesicilian post=124350404][/quote] Mad man
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Gaskiya77: 10:18am On Aug 21, 2023
Why should Russia attack a sovereign nation, Ukraine without provocation? President Biden did not say Ukraine will not join NATO it is just that it is not mature for now. The annoying thing about this the war is that Russia army is bombing civilian residential homes and cities which is totally wrong. Those who think Zelensky is a coward for fighting a war of injustice against an aggressor should know that a leader must not be taken for granted by any order leader. NATO is a united umbrella of peace on planet Earth more so than a sovereign single nation. Russia is more secure with NATO than anything. This is just Putin war born out of hate and envy on Western countries.

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