ogaju007:

Rabzy: Lets assume you're right, Adam's children would have to Be Intimate with one another to bring forth the next generation ABI!!!? You're not making any sense cause that would be insest that is really frowned upon by you xtians.

all4naija:

^^^^
Not only that, Cain met his wife before Adam and Eve started giving birth to other kids - that's the issue here.

all4naija:

It is a shame you don't read your bible very well ,

(Genesis 4:17) And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Keep deceiving yourself!

all4naija:

^^^^
Not only that, Cain met his wife before Adam and Eve started giving birth to other kids - that's the issue here.

rabzy:

God is the one that decides what is right and wrong and also he decides when to allow or forbid a practise. Marriages within close family members were common in the early times. Abraham married his half-sister sarah. Such marriages were not forbidden until the time of Moses, when God specifically made it a sin and a crime to do so.

ogaju007:

@Rabzy: Lol I like your type you will never reason reality. So what has changed since then. Did he suddenly realize he didn't like the idea of Family Straffing? . Really it doesn't add up. Don't be ashamed to question things. Why not straff your own sister? PLEASE don't be brainwashed.

rabzy:


Genesis chapters 3 and 4 present the following information: (1) Eve was “the mother of everyone living.” (2) Time elapsed between the birth of Cain and his offering the sacrifice that was rejected by God. (3) Following his banishment to become “a wanderer and a fugitive,” Cain worried that ‘anyone finding him’ might try to kill him. (4) God set up a sign to protect Cain, indicating that either his siblings or other relatives might try to kill him. (5) “Afterward,” Cain had intercourse with his wife in “the land of Fugitiveness

The events in those chapters are not listed chronologically as they happened. The events that happened between cain and Abel were very important and so details were given about them. As at the time of Abel's death, there must have been other siblings and possibly granchildren and several generations of cousins because Cain was afraid enough for him to ask God to prevent people from killing him. He was not talking about non-existent humans, these were real threats to his life and God gave him his request.

He was then able to go forth into exile and eventually married and built a city.
As i earlier mentioned the events were not listed as they happened. The statements of Cain clearly shows that there were other siblings, possibly cousins and nieces. We should not forget that people were living for hundreds of years then, so within a hundred years, the population would have been enough to have enough extended relatives.

ogaju007:

@ Gazby ; Look at you sitting down there and manufacturing stories from your imagination which is a repository of what you have been fed since childhood or whenever you became a xtian. How are you so sure Adam and Eve were the only ones created? who told you bout Adam and eve? Who brought you the so called Good News? Do you know why the brought it to Africa? Do you know the history behind the Roman Cath, Anglican and Politics? I guess not. What is Research? What a shame? Some people came to sell their culture and we threw ours out of the window. Look at the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, have they thrown their culture out of the window? We see silly pastors bringing the Gospel to where it originated from because they want to recieve Tithe in pounds and Dollars. Why not take it to Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Afghanistan, yeye people.

all4naija:

That's not funny! Your interpretation is based on maybe not what the bible said. Anyway, I think the story of Adam, Eve and his first two children were stated clearly to be what I just pointed out. Cain and Able were the first two kids of Adam and Eve. They started given birth to other kids after Cain got married. According to the bible, God is the one who uttered the world of anybody that sees him on the faces of the earth shall kill him after putting a mark on his forehead.

ogaju007:

Hmmnn I beleive in God and my God is a gentle God and not a God of confusion. He has given us wisdom to know the right from wrong so please answer the guys question jo. The Bible was written by peopleof that region according to what happened in that region. Im happy a nigerian has the common sense to ask a question may be in the question he will find the truth if there is a true xtian here. However from the thread i can tell there are a lot of people on here that have been brainwashed in to a one track mind. they live in fear cause the pstors have told them lies about the bible.

YOU DONT NEED ANY SPIRITUALISM TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE EXCEPT IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY THE MEANING OF THE STATEMENT. gOOD EXAMPLE. WHERE IN THE Bible did God say you must pay a tenth of you salary? If you read the whole verse of all the places tithe was metioned, it was for a particular incident. Bot my pastors don turn am to VAT.

ogaju007:

@ Gazby ; Look at you sitting down there and manufacturing stories from your imagination which is a repository of what you have been fed since childhood or whenever you became a xtian. How are you so sure Adam and Eve were the only ones created? who told you bout Adam and eve? Who brought you the so called Good News? Do you know why the brought it to Africa? Do you know the history behind the Roman Cath, Anglican and Politics? I guess not. What is Research? What a shame? Some people came to sell their culture and we threw ours out of the window. Look at the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, have they thrown their culture out of the window? We see silly pastors bringing the Gospel to where it originated from because they want to recieve Tithe in pounds and Dollars. Why not take it to Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Afghanistan, yeye people.

rabzy:

And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.

After Cain killed Abel, the Bible never stated what time elapsed before he got married, meanwhile Adam had given birth to sons and daughters, so the only possible source of wife for him, is for him to marry one of the available women. After he gave birth to his son, he started to build a city, showing that the population around him was considerable enough for him to build a city. The Bible stated that they lived up to 500 - 900 years, so with the strength and virility then and also the longevity, marrying within the family wont be a problem.

rabzy:

Genesis 4:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Who were the people he said would find him and kill him, is it the yet-to-be-born children of Adam, who would be told the story and become so angry to go about hunting for Cain, or could it be other sons and daughters of Adam who knew the two of them and would be really angry enough to kill Cain. The only other son that was named is Seth, but there is nothing that says he was definitely the third child.

Sibling Rivalry

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folaski:

God did not create robots, he created rational human beings who must take responsibilities for their action. That He did not want Adam & Eve to worship Him because they had no other choice.He wanted them to choose of their own free will to obey or disobey. That was the reason why he placed the tree there and allowed the devil stalk them too. God knew the choice that man would make and so He had made His plans to redeem them through the attoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Rev 13.:8. You are responsible for your choice.                   For the atheists: what if it is true that heaven and hell do exist? And there is God who descides who goes where?

Kay 17:

The problem is they cant choose options they dont have, thus they chose in accordance to their nature - evil, thus God who is ultimately responsible for his creation is inherently evil

rabzy:

And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.

After Cain killed Abel, the Bible never stated what time elapsed before he got married, meanwhile Adam had given birth to sons and daughters, so the only possible source of wife for him, is for him to marry one of the available women. After he gave birth to his son, he started to build a city, showing that the population around him was considerable enough for him to build a city. The Bible stated that they lived up to 500 - 900 years, so with the strength and virility then and also the longevity, marrying within the family wont be a problem.

Genesis 4:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Who were the people he said would find him and kill him, is it the yet-to-be-born children of Adam, who would be told the story and become so angry to go about hunting for Cain, or could it be other sons and daughters of Adam who knew the two of them and would be really angry enough to kill Cain. The only other son that was named is Seth, but there is nothing that says he was definitely the third child.

zataxs:

Man did not have the free will, to do evil you must know evil, you must know bad,  to know something is bad, you must get of the fruit. call it a chicken egg dilemma.

all4naija:

This is where you are complicating yourself in the issue. You just explain that there were other people leaving at that time order than Adam and Eve before Cain killed Abel. You just agree with what I am trying to say here that, there were people existing before or among Adam and Eve before even Cain and Abel were born. Look closely, you will find out that the book contradict itself there. I think the bible only record the beginning of Adam and Eve not the beginning of Man.

zataxs:

Man did not have the free will, to do evil you must know evil, you must know bad, to know something is bad, you must get of the fruit. call it a chicken egg dilemma.

rabzy:

No, the Bible recorded the history of the first man Adam, the people i mentioned are the other Children of Adam and Eve, born after the birth of cain and Abel. You need to see that the Bible mentioned that they had other Kids. There is no where we read that no kids were born before Abel was killed.

(Genesis 4:1-2) . . .Now Adam had intercourse with Eve his wife and she became pregnant. In time she gave birth to Cain and said: “I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah.” 2 Later she again gave birth, to his brother Abel,  
From the verse above, female children could have been born before a brother Abel. After the birth of Abel, other kids also came along, possibly both male and female.

What is certain is that after Abel was killed, the next son that was born is Seth, because Eve saw him as a replacement for Abel. We are talking about where Cain got his wife from, and the Bible revealed that other children were born and people lived for a long time and could easily grow exponentially within 100 - 500 years.
Just Imagine Adm possibly being virile for 500 -700 years and maybe he had his first child before he was 50.

Image123:

^It depends on what YOU mean by free will. What's free will?

logica:

Why don't you define it, or did I coin the phrase? Now back to you, "What is 'Free Will'"? LOL, I suspect the goal-post is about to be shifted.

Image123:

Who's asking the question?