Maynman:

If a thief says your life or your money, whatever option you pick, is it voluntarily? Is it of your own freewill?
Or your options are determined by the consequences?

Sand2022:


When did prior cause turn to consequences? My brother what that definition is saying is that one's decisions is not based on pre-determination. Eg, you set your alarm to ring by 8pm. If it rings at that time, it did so because of your earlier or prior setup. It didn't ring by its own prompting.

Sand2022:


Which ever one you chose is still your choice. You can decide to let them take the money to save your life. Dem no use juju to make you decide am. You made the choice. You still do not understand that definition.

Maynman:

Even in court they won’t regard it as “freewill” because you are saying it under COERCION and Duress

Sand2022:


Ok. If you shoot someone because of threat to your wife's life, will the law set you free?

Maynman:

Yes.

What do you understand by voluntarily?
Can you check dictionary for it?

Sand2022:



LHowever, placing a consequence for one's action doesn't mean he is not acting on freewill. Consequences for an action is not being under duress. Being under duress would be when you are forced to move to the other end with the negative consequences. Not when you move there on your own.

Sand2022:


From the point you made under the topic, duress, you can then agree that if that individual shoot someone without being under duress, the law will judge him to have done that killing out of freewill, right? So the law outlining the consequences for killing is not seen to be removing your free will. It's only setting a boundary for your freewill.

Sand2022:


Not in every state. In some states like California, and Florida you can still be charged for manslaughter or murder even under duress.

Tyktoker:
You don't want pressure?, but you cooked your question under pressure before posting? Maka y?

Maynman:

Is there a law on the land about killing your fellow man?

Do you know as citizens we have certain rights?
Is that not infringing on out freewill then?

Don’t you get it

Maynman:

Been under duress and coercion is consequences for an action, i gave you an example, your money or your life.
Any decision you take is not from your freewill, it’s not voluntary.

Please look up the definition of voluntary.

Sand2022:


Ok. You also agree that you have certain rights. If you have rights, can you then say you don't have free will? Will telling you not to go to the other end mean that you no longer have free will?

The law is against murder.

Sand2022:


Ok. So then when you act without being under duress, it means you do so of your free will. You agree?

Sand2022:


Ok. So then when you act without being under duress, it means you do so of your free will. You agree?

Maynman:

Send where you read this.

Maynman:

Freewill can only be exhibited when there is no restraint of your actions, then we will see how many people are good because it’s good in itself and not because of consequences.

remove heaven and hell, why are you a good person?

Sand2022:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duress_in_American_law

Sand2022:


You've not answered my question

Maynman:

Who gave me the certain rights?
If i have freewill i will be FREE TO DO ANYTHING I WILL, without any consequences.

The way you behave in Nigeria is not same with dubai, is that not infringing on my freewill, i have to follow the laws because of the consequences, not that i am voluntarily following it.

Maynman:

I saw none of what you wrote there.
Screenshot this part “Not in every state. In some states like California, and Florida you can still be charged for manslaughter or murder even under duress.”

Sand2022:


Infringing on or limiting your free will, not REMOVING your freewill. You can still do it. You confusing limitation with REMOVING.

Free will is the ABILITY or CAPACITY to make your choice. It means you are not a robot that is being controlled by someone. A robot doesn't have the ability to decide for itself. If you possess the ability to decide, you have free will.

If you act under duress, it means that you were denied the chance to ACT on that ABILITY you already have. It doesn't mean that you lost that ability. In other words, you were not turned into a robot by that duress.

Sand2022:


So I should have copied that exact statement somewhere and pasted it here? Like seriously?

Don't be ridiculous.

Sand2022:


Free will is the ABILITY or CAPACITY to make your choice. It means you are not a robot that is being controlled by someone. A robot doesn't have the ability to decide for itself.

Maynman:

This is what you said about freewill earlier from webster dictionary, voluntary choice or decision. Eg I do this of my own free will

Sand2022:


That's not how I posted it. It has ability there.

Btruth:
I think it was pre-destined to happen in my own opinion. Since there's nothing that will happen without the knowledge of God. 🤔