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Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 2:24am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Olukumi is most likely and Edoid speaking group not Yoruboid or it might be an isolate language. olukumi is an old dialect of yoruba. is there a problem? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 2:26am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: which parts of ondo state speak edo? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by odumchi: 2:30am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Tell me how Ika is more Edo than Igbo? Tell me how the king of Agbor and the Ika is Obi Benjamin Ikechukwu, an Igboman, but yet according to you they are Edo? Man you have to think. alj_harem: |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by ezeagu(m): 2:34am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Just so some understand: 1. Olukumi is as relevant in Anioma as French Creole is in the United States. 2. Obi is not a corruption of Oba. 3. Agbor is not "more Edo than Igbo". 4. There are no Okukumi areas, no Olukumi speaking towns, no Olukumi named places in Anioma, only pockets of communities that are hardly heard of. Good. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by odumchi: 2:36am On Oct 23, 2011 |
ezeagu: Thank you. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 2:40am On Oct 23, 2011 |
odumchi: Bros to be honest, That is another thread entirely; I would leave Ikas for the Ika people, I am talking of precisely Oluku mi people and my studies on them as a people. As an Awori Yoruba man as myself, I find it fascinating the similarity between Oluku mi people and my people. I am not doing anything funny here (because of the way u went defensive) I mean that the end of the day, they are now anioma people and the only connection they have with yorubas is the language. All I am trying to do is know more about them before I visit the place (Ugbodu), that is all. I want to use this medium to trace any ancient Yoruba words that have been lost. That is all. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by ezeagu(m): 2:42am On Oct 23, 2011 |
What have you found out about the Olukumi so far? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 2:47am On Oct 23, 2011 |
ezeagu: so far, not much. All I know right now is that they are part of anioma igbo people also they live in 4 areas delta north of ugbodu being the main place. some words and poem in Oluku mi language which was very interesting. Since some of you have been to delta north, maybe you can educate me more on olukumi people |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 2:48am On Oct 23, 2011 |
i dont see what the big deal is here. the itsekiri, a yoruboid speaking people, are in delta state and have been there since time immemorial. so what's the roadblock about other groups with yoruba ancestry in that area? the benin monarchy itself is from yoruba. is it such a great leap of imagination to figure out yorubas have been encompassing or travelling to/through that region for a while now? Whether through slave trade or whatever it was. the only issue is the ones who migrated eastward integrated into the populations over there while the ones who migrated westward remained within the geographical and cultural ranges of yorubaland. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Nobody: 2:49am On Oct 23, 2011 |
With Yoruba migration comes Yoruba marks. They leave their mark wherever they've been. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 2:52am On Oct 23, 2011 |
what is it exactly about the midwestern regions onwards that makes it more difficult for emigrant yorubas to retain their culture like we see elsewhere. because even overseas yorubas still retained their identity and traditions. the only explanation i can think of is the bantuoid influence though i could be wrong. still working on it. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 2:58am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 3:10am On Oct 23, 2011 |
the benin monarchy itself is from yoruba. . . . and the first ooni to reign in ife who instituted the ife monarchy was a bini man. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 3:14am On Oct 23, 2011 |
alj harem: LOCAL GOVERNMENT COUNCILS, CLANS, ETHNIC ORIGIN AND TITLES OF THEIR TRADITIONAL RULERS S/Non Local Government Council Clan Sub-Clan Ethnic Grp Titles Remark 1. Aniocha North Ezechima Issele –Uku Ibo Obi of Issele –Uku Idumje Onicha Ugbo Ibo Obi of Onicha Ugbo Odiani Onicha Ukwu Ibo Obi of Onicha Ukwu Obomkpa Ibo Obi of Obomkpa Onicha Olona Ibo Obi of Onicha Olona Ezi Ibo Obi of Ezi Obior Ibo Obi of Obior Issele Azagba Ibo Obi of Issele Azagba Issele -Mkpitime Ibo Obi of Issele Mkpitime Idumuje Unor Ibo Obi of Idumuje Unor Idumuje Ugboko Ibo Obi of Idumuje Ugboko Ukwunzu Ibo Obi of Ukwunzu Ugboba Ibo Obi of Ugboba Ubulutu Ibo Obi of Ubulutu Ugboga Ibo Obi of Ugboga Idumuogo Ibo Obi of Idumuogo Ogodo http://nigerdeltacongress.com/karticles/local_government_councils.htm |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 3:15am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: Oh shut up |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 3:20am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Chyz*: why did you change with your link posted to suit your motive ? YOU LINK NEVER put Ugboba, Ubulutu, Ugboga, Idumuogo as Ibo ethnic group so why lie chyz ? Why ?? why did you add ibo to it when your link did not do the same ?? why brother why ?? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 3:22am On Oct 23, 2011 |
alj_harem: GO BACK AND LOOK CAREFULLY. THEY ARE NOT CHANGED. THEY ARE LINED UP CORRECTLY. COUNT THEM 1 BY 1. TRUST ME, YOU DONT KNOW ANIOMA LOL |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 3:26am On Oct 23, 2011 |
exotik: highly doubtful and only a fairly recent going by oral history, tradition and patterns of migration to say the least, oduduwa [who btw wasnt the first ooni in ife] was from another yoruba or yoruboid group somewhere. you're free to disagree with this without being rude. we already know yorubas interacted with their eastern neighbours in ancient times. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 3:27am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Chyz*: again they are anioma but why did that website give some false claims . They might be Igbo now but I really want to know of the Olukumis I do not really care what Nigerdelta congress say. I want someone who knows more of the oluku mi. thats all |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 3:30am On Oct 23, 2011 |
the olukumis trace their ancestry to a yoruba migration which passed through benin centuries ago. that's it in a nutshell. they may have been joined or preceded by other yorubas who were taken to the region as slaves or traders or something- not sure. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 3:31am On Oct 23, 2011 |
alj_harem: Oh close ur mouth. Just a second ago you were claiming I changed the info around to suit myself now ur saying "they might be Igbo now". Igbo is Igbo. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 3:33am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: there are several oral histories and patterns of migration, so it depends on the one you choose to base your opinion on. and who was the first ooni of ife? and what was oduduwa's role in ife? there is no way oduduwa would have been from been yoruba, the name oduduwa itself edoid. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Abagworo(m): 3:33am On Oct 23, 2011 |
SMH@ how people find pleasure in trying to divide Igbos.Alj Harem, I was the one that posted that Ugbodu thread on Nairaland and now you are trying to twist things using the thread. I feel ashamed each time I encounter any Igbo man working tirelessly to find a reason for being different from Igbo.It is like a man trying to run away from himself. The Anioma area consists mainly of people of Igbo origin and couple of Edo and Igala migrants.The Olukumis now speak Igbo but still have traces of their original language left in songs and rituals.The diverse origin of Anioma area just like the SE area is not in doubt but saying there are 12 languages in Anioma is like saying there are 30 languages in Southeast, |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 3:37am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Abagworo: where did i say they are not anioma Igbos ? Infact the link I brought suggest that the author wants anioma state to be part of SE. aka Igbo states so not doubt they are igbos. All I want is information on oluku mi people that is all. Igbo bu igbo. Igbo is Igbo whether anioma and co. again odumchi took me the that discussion which I never intended to get part of. All I want is Oluku mi people information. biko. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 3:43am On Oct 23, 2011 |
exotik: you again. welcome. i'm referring to verifiable and objective patterns and history, not subjective, feel-good ones based on half truths and questionable motives. the name oduduwa was also called odu'uwa in some older texts. odu'uwa is a different syntax, as you can see. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Abagworo(m): 3:46am On Oct 23, 2011 |
alj_harem: Now that you have come to the real issue,Olukumi is no lost language as people may assume but in fact one of the earlier name of Yorubas.The Olukumis in Ugbodu migrated from Owo which means Owo speaks Olukumi.Records from slave era often referred to Yorubas as Lukumi.The only thing that happened is that the Delta Lukumi retained some lost words which might have been peculiar to some Yoruba area in the past. I personally feel sorry for the loss of their dialect but this world is a growing one and we should not be stuck in the past. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 3:48am On Oct 23, 2011 |
welcome. i was actually here before you, so that is the wrong greeting. what you should say is obo'wa i'm referring to verifiable and objective patterns and history, not subjective, feel-good ones based on half truths and vanity. hmmm, that already sounds subjective to me. odu'uwa is a different syntax, as you can see. and that actually makes it more edoid, you should have tried oodua |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 3:51am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Abagworo: interesting, thanks |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 4:05am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: A migration? Are you sure abt this? Also, Are you even sure that that that group was actually called olukumis and even when they "were in Ondo"? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by odumchi: 4:08am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: They are too small in number to date that far back. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 4:26am On Oct 23, 2011 |
how many of you are attacking me at the same time sha. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 4:27am On Oct 23, 2011 |
exotik: someone familiar with yoruba dialects would understand the difference of odu'uwa. |
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