NRI PRIEST:

Ileke Idi, [b]the agbada you are refering to was invented by the Hausa but its the Yorubas borrowed it [/b]and made it famous among themselve. Though the Igbos wear it sometime but not as much as Yorubas do. As far as we know those men could be from Igala or Idoma kingdoms,so,till then those men aint from ya place. Inugo ?

I've yet to see any facts about the bolded that you guys are throwing around. The Hausa did not invent agbadas, dear.

"Agabada" is borrowed clothing from the Islamized Songhai/Ghana Empire who were influenced by Arab clothing. Fact.

Its origin lies with the clothing worn by the Islamized Tukulor, Mandé and Songhai peoples of the historic 8th Century Takrur and Ghana Empires, and 13th Century Mali and Songhai Empires, (See Bisht and Kaftan for information on these).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boubou_(clothing)

I guess the Yoruba are wearing other peoples clothing.

Lesson learnt: don't show your ass by diving head first into insults.

ezeagu:

"Agabada" is borrowed clothing from the Islamized Songhai/Ghana Empire who were influenced by Arab clothing. Fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boubou_(clothing)

I guess the Yoruba are wearing other peoples clothing.

Lesson learnt: don't show your ass by diving head first into insults.

From Wikipedia? Dude, plzzz.

Agbada was neither created by the Hausa or Yoruba, but it was popularize and better fashioned by the Yorubas.

That said, those two in the pixs looks like Yoruba obas. . . .

Whatever, whether they better fashioned it or laced it with gold, it is borrowed fashion, therefore they look like Isamized Africans, specifically from Mali and Mauritania, the origin of "Agbada".

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ezeagu:

Whatever, whether they better fashioned it or laced it with gold, it is borrowed fashion, therefore they look like Isamized Africans, specifically from Mali and Mauritania, the origin of "Agbada".

How exactly is this supposed to change my earlier statement?

Ileke-IdI:

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Loooks like Yoruba kings.

The people in the Onicha photo look nothing like those in the second picture because 1. they're not wearing lace, 2. they're not holding fly-whisks in the second picture, and 3. the Onicha photo clothing is much richer.

The origin of "Agabda":

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ezeagu:

The people in the Onicha photo look nothing like those in the second picture because 1. they're not wearing lace, 2. they're not holding fly-whisks, and 3. the Onicha photo clothing is much richer.

The origin of "Agabda":

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I'm going to let you continue denying what you see in that pixs.

BTW, A simple Yoruba lesson; agbada's arent only made of lace. Yorubas have extended that aspect of agbada.

Abeg, more pictures.

Extended, remixed, refashioned, replaced, revamped < Islamic Origin.

NRI PRIEST:

Though the Igbos wear it sometime but not as much as Yorubas do.

But the Igbo have not adopted it like others, it isn't seen like traditional clothing. Igbo people aren't Islamized.

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Looking like Yoruba kings.

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This picture is so great.

^^^ Dont let the thing hurt you too much nau. I like that the Igbos are adopting the Yoruba/Hausa/Islamic attires during traditional ceremony. Shows religious and cultural expansion.

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Seriously, the one on the right looks he's going to a Yoruba's owanbe party. Yoruba attire. I'm liking this acculturation.

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Does anyone know what even this was? Seeing as he's wearing less formal clothing as the last.

Ileke-IdI:

Seriously, the one on the right looks he's going to a Yoruba's owanbe party. Yoruba attire. I'm liking this acculturation.

Yoruba men wear wrappers to Owambe now? Everything borrowed?

Formal national attire, much more professional, as can be seen. Non of that conquered-African stuff:

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ezeagu:

Yoruba men wear wrappers to Owambe now? Everything borrowed?

Formal national attire, much more professional, as can be seen. Non of that conquered-African stuff:

Where do you see wrappers? I see a man wearing Yoruba owambe's attire. 
Obv this thing dey hurt you so o. LOL Kilode? wetin dey shele?

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Everyone borrows, and it's not suggesting that one group is inferior if adopts the attire of another.  

Agbada from the Sahelian regions to Western and Northern Nigeria
"George"  from the Delta to much of Southern Nigeria.
Edo wrappers/swords to the Aniomas and Onitshas.

The attire of the Onitsha people pictured here is great and an example of a rich cultural heritage.  It appears identical to the attire I have seen in Anioma festivities (akwa ocha, coral beads, oto-ogwu), and has similarities with the Edo people.

lakal:

Everyone borrows, and it's not suggesting that one group is inferior if adopts the attire of another.  

Agbada from the Sahelian regions to Western and Northern Nigeria
"George"  from the Delta to much of Southern Nigeria.
Edo wrappers/swords to the Aniomas and Onitshas.

The attire of the Onitsha people pictured here is great and an example of a rich cultural heritage.  It appears identical to the attire I have seen in Anioma festivities (akwa ocha, coral beads, oto-ogwu), and has similarities with the Edo people.

LOL He's just saying it because he dey vex.

What was exactly meant to hurt me? Borrowed Islamic clothing from Fulani conquests, or the fact that the "Agbada" you were bragging about earlier was revealed to have originated hundreds of miles away from Yorubaland proving your Islamic "acculturation" that has already happened hundreds of years ago.

I know it must have bruised your heart very badly to know tha omo Igbo aint copying anybodys attire and to know that no single yoruba attire was witnessed there! Am sure you must have wished the above attire were of the yorubas and not Igbos!! Here is my advice; keep dreaming,fool.

On the yoruba Obas pix u posted; if my logic works fine for me, I will have to conclude that yoruba obas dont have a kingly attire of yoruba origin!!!
The hat ooni was wearing belongs to the hausas. The agbada was borrowed from hausa and their sahelian cousins!!! Go get ur own,ileke.

The exit is this way, leave quietly.

NRI PRIEST:

I know it must have bruised your heart very badly to know tha omo Igbo aint copying anybodys attire and to know that no single yoruba attire was witnessed there! Am sure you must have wished the above attire were of the yorubas and not Igbos!! Here is my advice; keep dreaming,fool.

On the yoruba Obas pix u posted; if my logic works fine for me, I will have to conclude that yoruba obas dont have a kingly attire of yoruba origin!!!
The hat ooni was wearing belongs to the hausas. The agbada was borrowed from hausa and their sahelian cousins!!! Go get your own,ileke.

They do. But they dont wear their kingly attires to every social events. Mehn, you ppl are so uneducated about Yoruba kings.
One even said their attire are made out of lace or that they have no white horsetail.

Modern Yoruba kinds dont wear their royal attires all the time.

Yoruba king

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I think most Yorubas who are educated are aware of elements of Islamic acculturation within the general culture. Even for those of us who are Christians.

Hell, the words for:

peace (alaafia)
Thursday (alamisi)
Friday (jimoh)
usefulness (anfani)
onion (alubosa)
secret (ashiri)


among many are all Arabic words.

But the Igbo word for onion seems to have come from Arabic too, una sef dey acculturate small

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Ileke-IdI:

Yoruba king

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Another Grand bou-bou? Chai!

Depending on where you are in Yorubaland, the attire may change.

lakal:

But the Igbo word for onion seems to have come from Arabic too, una sef dey acculturate small

What are the words?

Alaafin of Oyo

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OOni of Ife

Arinjale of Ise Ekiti

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Yoruba king?

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ezeagu:

What are the words?

Isn't "yabasi" Igbo for onion?


The Yoruba and Igbo words for onion are derived from the Arabic "Al-basal."

But let's not digress, for real. I was really enjoying the thread, it seems like an eminent tradition, and one that is going strong in Onitsha.