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Poll: I now believe Abacha may have been honest and Obasanjo / IBB deliberately discredited Abacha's name, because:His economic performance was on of best in Nigeria's history: 9% (1 vote)
PDP cronies - Abubakar Bagunu & Buba Marwa seem to be the people to link Abacha to the looted funds in Swiss banks appear to have been bribed by Obasanjo Govt to accuse Abacha: 9% (1 vote)
No witnesses appear to to give evidence against Abacha when Swiss lawyers came to Nigeria to collect evidence: 0% (0 votes)
Abdulsalami Abubakar /IBB/Obasanjo instigating a blind probe od=f Abacha and "discovering" billions of dollars in foreign accounts within days of Abacha's death prove they were out to discredit Abacha: 0% (0 votes)
None of above - I believe Abacha was a major looter: 81% (9 votes)
This poll has ended
Poll: Having read this thread, I believe that AbachaMay not have looted, his enemies bribed witnesses such as Abubakar Bagudu, claim that funds in foreign accounts belonged to Abacha: 9% (1 vote)
I believe Abacha was a big looter and I haveevidence other than the accusation that money "recovered" from Foreign banks belonged to him: 54% (6 votes)
I am not sure anymore: 36% (4 votes)
This poll will end in 2:12am On Apr 07, 2018
|Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by GenBuhari(m): 5:45pm On Dec 12, 2011|
^^* please do not take the poll above until you have read the entire thread*^^
I have been suspecting for several months that Abacha never looted, and now I have discovered how Obasanjo and IBB consipired with associates and Foreign bankers to decieve Nigerians to believe that he looted.
Abacha's achievements were said to include:
*The stablisation of the political terrain, after the annulment of the June 12, 1992 elections by General Babangida and the political upheavals that followed it, leading to the exit of General Babangida and the installation and the exit of the interim administration of Chief Ernest Shonekan.
*The stabilisation of the value of the naira and its stoppage from further devaluation (maintained at $1=N22 for his entire era);
*The increase in the country's foreign exchange reserves from $494 million dollars in 1993 to $9.6 billion by the middle of 1997;
*The improvement in the general standard of living of Nigerians during the regime;
*The establishment of the Petroleum Trust Fund and the improvement in the infrastructural services it occasioned;
*The caging of, and the reduction in the influences of the IMF/World Bank in the Nigerian economy, which reached its height during the regime of General Babangida;
*The prudent management of the annual budgets of the Federal Government; the reduction in the external debt of Nigeria from $36 billion in 1993 to $27 billion by 1997;
*Improvement in the salaries and pensions of public servants;
*The unprecedented provision of money for the settlement of internal debts which had been incurred by previous administrations but for which little or no provisions for their settlement had been made until the Abacha's regime.
*Oil prices were as low as $9/barrel , yet Abacha was able to also intervene in two regional conflicts in Sierra Leone and Liberia to play Nigeria's rightful role as a regional superpower.
*All privatisation (selling off of Nigeria's assets) were brought to halt by Abacha by 1995.
*Abacha inherited inflation rate of 54% from IBB in 1993 and had reduced it to 8.5% by 1998
*Abacha's Vision 2010 was submitted to Abacha in September, 1997. The Visioners consisted of 247 elite Nigerians, under the chairmanship of Chief (Dr.) Ernest Shonekan, the preceding head of state to General Abacha. The committee was assisted by 141 technical and secretariat staff, drawn from the Presidency, the Bureau of Public Enterprises (BPE), federal ministries, the National Assembly, the Central Bank of Nigeria, the universities and the private sector. In addition, 29 Facilitators, 24 Resource persons, and 17 consultants, including foreign experts from Asia, Europe and America, participated in the Vision. The 247 members included the country's major emirs, obis, and obas, Christian and Muslim religious leaders, leading industrialists, commercialists, bankers and academicians, many of whom are now very prominent leaders in the ongoing Obasanjo reform administration. In its letter of transmission of the report to Abacha, the Visioners stated that, "The Report is the outcome of 12 plenary meetings, 57 around-the country meetings and workshops, 53 sub-committee meetings, field studies, and, thousands of memoranda from the public, including input from federal ministries, state governments, private sector institutions, Nigerians domiciled out of the country, and some foreigners who have interest in the welfare and livelihood of Nigeria". These foreigners are now called, " Development Partners" in the Obasanjo administration.
The Report proposed both immediate, short-term, medium term, and long-term measures to stimulate and grow the economy of Nigeria. The Committee rightly adumbrated that, "all of us, and not one single segment of the society or a single administration, could be strictly said to be responsible for our problems. The Committee then proceeded to ask, and answer, three questions about the country; viz: "Where we are, and why?" Where do we want to be?" And, "How do we get there", so that by 2010, Nigeria will be a democratic society, committed to making the basic needs of life affordable for everyone and creating Africa's leading economy?"
Now, please ask yourself what would prompt a blind probe of a government that had performed so well, other than pre-planned plot to assassinate his character after his assassination, to deflect attention from the really enemies of the state who had just stolen back power by poisoning Abacha.
Please ask yourself what would prompt a blind probe for financial mismanagement of a leader that had performed so well?
My theory is that IBB and Obasanjo needed to scapegoat Abacha, to deflect attention from IBB and how he ruined the country.
Immediately after Abacha was poisoned I believe IBB was calling the shots from behind the scenes although Adulsalami Abubakar was the figure head transitional Head of State.
I believe IBB wanted to blame Abacha for Nigeria's problems as he had ambitions of returning eventually to the seat of power (maybe after Obj had served 1 term in office.
Here is how I believe Obasanjo and IBB made it appear that Abacha had stolen money
Obasanjo and Babangida hired one of their associates who may have a foreign bank account already, pose as Abacha's associate.
IBB or Obj would have money transferred into their account and then in court they would falsely claim to be a business associate of Abacha and would agree to refund money to Nigerian Government,
However when the case is reported to the press Obasanjo's representatives would say that Abacha and his associates have has agree in court that to refund whatever large amount typically between $20million and about $600million.
For an instance if Abacha's had $0 and the associate had $1.5bn, some press reports would report Abacha and his cronies or associate or family and friends have $1.5bn in foreign accounts.
The reports never breakdown how much of money attributable to Abacha and how much to Obasanjo's hired "associates"
Now consider the following news story which is typical
18 October, 2001, BBC News 12:45 GMT 13:45 UK
Britain goes after Abacha millions
The British High Court has given the government the go-ahead to help Nigeria trace more than $1bn allegedly looted by late dictator Sani Abacha.
The decision came after lawyers failed to challenge a Home Office decision to help Nigerian and Swiss officials recover money said to have been traced to London.
The Press Association said the lawyers were acting for Mohammed Abacha, the dictator's son, and Abubakar Bagudu, Abacha's London-based partner.
Nigeria is trying to recover more than $3bn allegedly embezzled during General Abacha's rule which ended with his death in 1998.
Britain was asked last year to help recover the money.
Six months ago, Britain's financial watchdog, the Financial Services Authority, revealed that 23 London banks had handled $1.3bn belonging to family and friends of General Abacha.
Earlier this month, judicial authorities in Britain reportedly ordered some of the world's largest banks to freeze accounts believed to belong to the dictator
The big evidence I found that proves, my suspicion is that the named "associate" in the above BBC News story, Abubakar Bagudu turns out to be a full member of the PDP esablishment, who has been handsomely rewarded by being selected as PDP Senator for Kebbi 2008.
Ladies and Gentlemen this is the evidence that should indicate that there is a conspiracy to paint to delibrately paint Abacha as a looter.
Abubakar Atiku Bagudu was born on 26 December 1961. Although Bagudu claimed to come from a wealthy family owning millions, in fact his father was formerly the director of Primary Education in Kebbi. He obtained a BSc (Economics), Msc (Economics) and M.A. (International Affairs).
Bagudu became a close friend of Ibrahim and Mohammed Abacha, sons of military ruler Sani Abacha. He and Ibrahim Abacha were involved in a scheme to buy vaccines and resell them to the government at a steep mark-up, earning $66.6 million profit. Later, he helped divert much larger sums of money that had been earmarked for security spending into foreign accounts.
After Abacha died in 1998, the interim military government that followed started an investigation into misuse of state funds. Mohammed Abacha and Abubakar Atiku Bagudu, his business manager, returned $750m. At that time, there were no criminal prosecution. Bagudu moved to the USA in 2000, and in 2003 was detained there for six months on charges of financial misdeeds during the Abacha era. He was released in November 2003 on condition that he repaid about US$300 million to the Federal Government of Nigeria. The administration of President Olusegun Obasanjo apparently made a deal to recover part of the money in return for dropping prosecution and leaving the remainder with the family. Bagudu was Chairman of Phil Nugent Nigeria Ltd. from 2004 until December 2005
Have you noticed the total absence of reliable video interviews of Abacha's family members?
Nigerians please question everything you hear from our leaders and our corrupt press.
And the same Bagudu was Chairman of Phil Nugent Nigeria Ltd. from 2004 until December 2005,
A company that went on to be awarded a $1billion contract by the government
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by ekt_bear: 5:58pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Puff puff pass, man.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by blacksta(m): 6:15pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Puff Puff pass - who is next
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by efisher(m): 6:31pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Oh no not again!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by oyb(m): 6:54pm On Dec 12, 2011|
goood times y'all
pass the blunt to the left hand side
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by JamesDoe: 7:02pm On Dec 12, 2011|
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|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Ejiné(m): 7:22pm On Dec 12, 2011|
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by ndu_chucks: 7:22pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Please include in your replies information about where the Abacha family got the hundreds of millions of dollars recovered by foreign governments and returned to Nigeria.
Help us explain where the $600 returned to Nigeria from Switzerland came from. It will be recalled that Okonjo- Iweala was instrumental to the repatriation of over $600m stashed away by the Abacha family in Switzerland during her first stint as minister under the former President Olusegun Obasanjo’s administration.
I trust in your customary manner you will try to be honest in your submissions.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by olyivy(f): 7:25pm On Dec 12, 2011|
This GenGuhari guy is obviously the igbo version of Musiwa.
All this brouhaha all in a futile attempt to clear Buhari of wrong doing when he 'cleared' abacha of all wrong doings!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by VoodooDoll(m): 7:46pm On Dec 12, 2011|
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|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by isale_gan2: 7:55pm On Dec 12, 2011|
And here is their king:
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Rhino.5dm: 8:05pm On Dec 12, 2011|
It is now official that Gen Buhari is high.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by kingoflag(m): 8:08pm On Dec 12, 2011|
I just lost all respect I used to have for this Gen.Buhari Poster.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by efisher(m): 8:14pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Confirmed: Cleaning Buhari's poo is a terribly difficult job!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by doctokwus: 8:15pm On Dec 12, 2011|
And to ever blv that d Op's opinion posts counted for sth.D egg is on me,not on d op,to b scammed by such type,damn
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by VoodooDoll(m): 8:20pm On Dec 12, 2011|
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And if you wanna show, then just let me know
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|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Beaf: 8:21pm On Dec 12, 2011|
The real Buhari swears that Abacha never stole a dime, so there is little surprise that his NL shadow thinks the same.
Buhari only claims Abacha never stole in order to cover the part he played in disbursing filthy favours and helping wanton theft through his inglorious and wretchedly corrupt time as PTF capone. He is a very sly man.
I posted this elsewhere on NL:
You will also notice that those who scream loudest against the removal of the subsidy are reps of those companies.
Now that the subsidy matter is about to go into meltdown, the likes of Buhari are screaming, quaking in fear of getting exposed and making oblique noises. There is method to the madness.
Let them waste their time. Bushmeat go catch the hunter.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by violent(m): 8:26pm On Dec 12, 2011|
puff puff puff puff!!!
My neighbor's Cerato is a fcking Mercedes!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by naijababe(f): 8:31pm On Dec 12, 2011|
+500. I am so embarrassed
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by antartica(m): 8:36pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Honestly buhari, i use to think you are a true progressive but your effort to paint a good picture of the dreaded dictator and thief abacha has changed my views about you. You dont get it, just like so many here that try to play civility and criminality at the same time,like those that sees nothing bad about crooks like tinubu and obj and yet have the guts to open their stinking mouths and call for progress in nigeria.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by jmaine: 8:54pm On Dec 12, 2011|
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Roti_me: 8:55pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Genbuhari pls answer this question. Why did nigerians jubillate at the break of the news the abacha died?
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by jmaine: 8:57pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Who wanna bet . . .This might just hit the homepage soonest
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by careytommy(m): 9:12pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Then why hasn't he been canonised?
And to think John Paul II who just died in 2005 has been nominated!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by GenBuhari(m): 9:22pm On Dec 12, 2011|
I am sure you would agree that it was strange that IBB (via figurehead Abubakar) and Obj probed Abacha given Abacha good economic performance.
Once you accept and understand that the only reason for IBB and Obj to carry out a blind probe for embezzlement on Abacha, given his good economic performance, is to:
discredit and scapegoat Abacha for the state of Nigeria and to use Abacha to deflect attention from IBB previous ruinious rule of the nation (IBB had ambitions to return to power) and to blame Abacha for Nigeria's decline.
Justify change of economic policy and dismantling of institutions Abacha had set up
Once you also accept the virtually all Nigerian newspapers are owned and controlled by either IBB and Obasanjo and the remainder in the hands of a few corrupt politicians, and that these news papers are willing to write whatever stories their paymaster IBB or Obasanjo , request including the scapegoating and discrediting of Abacha.
Once you also accept that Foreign banks that are known to accept looted money from all over the world are sessntially dishonest and capable of collusion with IBB and Obj (who may be two of thier biggest ever customers).
Once you accept that all the above is true, then you would be able to understand how Obasanjo and IBB scapegoated and painted Abacha as looter.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by ndu_chucks: 9:28pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Please react to my previous post. In case you missed it, I reproduce it here:
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by ~Bluetooth: 10:23pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Of course he didnt loot,he only spent a liitle and kept another little in his savings accounts in switzerland and elsewhere.Infact,Abacha is the best president we have ever had in this country.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by oyb(m): 10:25pm On Dec 12, 2011|
genbuhari fell my hand cause he got high
he was gonna tell us gej is the dumbest in the land but he got high
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by GenBuhari(m): 10:26pm On Dec 12, 2011|
A year ago I was of the same opinion as the rest of you people on this thread about Abacha, because I was not aware of the the achievements of Abacha's government, and once I learnt about them, it did not strike me as an achievement that a leader who was looting could achieve, so over the last few months i have been looking closely at allegations of looting against Abacha.
The more I looked, the less I saw and things just were not adding up
Obasanjo claimed to have found $750million in cash at the homes of Abacha's family and friends - Iwondered how probable that somebody would store that amount of cash in their home?
It made no sense at all!
Then as I have been doing my thread on Nigerian history, over the last few months I encountered so many stories of money that has either been given up by Abacha's family and friends, or have been recovered from foreign bank accounts, but nothing was adding up ~the various news stories mainly from BBC , would say that various sums have been located and various sums returned to Nigeria, ranging from $20million, to £300million , to $650million, however the figure were not adding up, it was never specified how much of the recovered money was actually attributable to Abacha and how much to he so called associates.
Even the total sum recieved varied drastically from one news report to another. The Abachas are apprently willingly handing over large sums in Nigeria ($750m) without dispute but then apparently fighting tooth an nail in western courts to protect similar sums in foreign accounts?.
And despite everything Obasanjo was saying about going to courts, only $650million in 13years have been recovered . Nothing was making any sense
Then Obj claimed that he had struck a deal for Abachas to refund $1billion in exchange for Mohammad Abacha's release from prison ?(on trumped up charges), yet when Abacha's son was released and denied making any deals, he was not re-arrested
I also wondered how it could be that first of all Obasanjo accused Abacha of embezzling $6bn and after 13years of court cases only half a billion has been recovered yet there is no proof from Obasanjo that any money went into treasury coffers, questions remain unanswered about the whereabouts of the money.
Today during a discussion with Sagamite I stumbled across the proof that Obj and IBB conspired with associates in nigeria and in corrupt foriegn banks to make it appear that they have recovered money from Abacha.
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by GenBuhari(m): 10:28pm On Dec 12, 2011|
You guys are cracking me up sha!
so funny LOL!!
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by VoodooDoll(m): 10:30pm On Dec 12, 2011|
Puff, puff, puff, passsssssssss
|Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by BlackBaron: 10:46pm On Dec 12, 2011|
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