Fashola was the head of the governors committee that recommended the removal of the subsidy.

Radical, next time I lecture in here about political process and governance I need you to bring your pen and paper and take notes.  

You cant differentiate between the different arms of government and the roles and accountability.  You say Fashola is member of executive arm.  Which executive arm?  Go and read the oath of office of the Governor of Lagos, it answers your laughter.

Nigerian senator opposes governors over call for removal of fuel subsidy
From Ovada Ohiare, Abuja

 Senator Ahmed Lawan (ANPP, Yobe North) Friday kicked against the call by the Nigerian Governors' Forum (NGF), for subsidy on petroleum products especially fuel to be removed in order to allow states have enough funds to pay minimum wage of N18,000 to civil servants.
 

 



Lawan, who was the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Public Account in the last Senate, told newsmen in Abuja that the Governors' call is against Section 14 (2) b of the 1999 Constitution.

Lawan also noted that removal of subsidy now would be a false start in the transformation agenda of President Goodluck Jonathan.

He stressed that he was not against the payment of the N18,000 minimum wage but that it should not be used as a basis to remove petroleum subsidy a situation that may lead to untold hardship.

However he supported agitations that present revenue allocation formula be reviewed to free more funds for States Governments.

Lawan said: "The Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, as amended, states in Section 14 (2) b, 'The security and welfare of the people shall be the primary purpose of government."

"In the light of the above provision of the constitution, the recent call by the Nigeria Governors Forum on the Federal Government to remove subsidy on petroleum products, so that the states can pay the N18,000 minimum wage is contrary to the spirit and intendment of the provision."

"I believe that we cannot afford to further pauperize an already impoverished citizenry. The Governors Forum should emphasis and insist on the review and amendment of the current Revenue Allocation Formula, which should have been revised twice by now."

He went on: "I have nothing against the civil servant, in fact I want the civil servant to be paid living wage at the right time, because we need them to implement whatever policy that government at all level will come out with, so I am not against them, but I am against the idea of removing subsidy from petroleum products."

On the reviewing of the revenue formula, he said: "Some of us in the current Senate are already pushing for the review of the revenue allocation formula, some of my colleagues and I have been pushing for this and of course the Revenue Allocation Fiscal Commission Chairman promised to ask that in the next six months he will be presenting to the presidency a proposal for the review, but I think six months is a lot even though we endure for the last 12 years or so."

"We must do everything possible in the National Assembly to ensure that in the next three months if it is the will of our colleagues that in the next three months maximum we have an allocation formula that guarantees the payment of N18,000 minimum wage across the country for civil servants that also provide for the provision of capital infrastructure, road and so many other things and social services like road, education among others."

"We have to balance this, some of this thing will even require constitutional amendment, because I believe we have to amend the exclusive legislative list and concurrent legislative list, so that we devote power or responsibilities that at the moment some of them are taken by the federal government, which can be done better, more efficiently and effectively by the state governments or even local governments in some cases and you cannot devolve responsibilities without commensurate devolution of funds and resources for the implementation of these kinds of projects."

"I am totally convince that this is one issue the National Assembly particularly the Senate will make sure we pursue it with vigor, with the responsibility and commitment so that we have a stable polity that the transformation of Mr. President even though he is a PDP transformation agenda we will support the agenda for the betterment of the lives of Nigerians regardless of their political affiliation and this is what politics is all about in my opinion." He stated
 



AGAIN I ASK IS FASHOLA NOT A MEMBER OF NIGERIA GOVERNORS FORUM (NGF)?

Look, Karl, you are talking to a politically matured mind here. Fashola is indeed a member of the group, no one denies that. The group agreed to the subsidy removal, no one denies that. It never said it was unanimous!!!

That Fashola voted for the removal is contested. Produce the vote register and we see how they voted for or against. If majority voted yes, remove, then they carried the day and won against the no. Which way did Fashy vote? This is a political challenge for you. Articles of what the governors forum did or said will not prove that. The article did not say it was unanimous - a key factor to consider!!.

Fashola na Lawyer while BEJ na drunk fisherman that his boat is about to sink.

Rad1cal:

Fashola belongs to the executive arm of government and who rules in that arm ? Jona

Very simple , Fashola is under Jona and Jona is his boss  

Beaf:

Maybe you think Lagos is in Ghana. Any governor can get matching orders, or even be removed by hardball if their state is breaching the nations security.

simple question to you "political gurus";
did GEJ appoint Fashola to  be Lagos State governor and can he fire Fashola?
if yes, provide  the relevant sections of the constitution that makes such  provisions.

That Fashola voted for or against the removal is not the issue in contest here. Even if he is the chief proponent of the idea he has displayed an uncouth maturity for allowing the protesters have their way. It goes a long way to show how matured and democratic he is. A virtue most other political players do not have. And in a real democratic presidential system of government he is in no way answerable to the President.

Negro_Ntns:
Look, Karl, you are talking to a politically matured mind here.  Fashola is indeed a member of the group, no one denies that.  The group agreed to the subsidy removal, no one denies that.  It never said it was unanimous!!!

That Fashola voted for the removal is contested.  Produce the vote register and we see how they voted for or against.  If majority voted yes, remove, then they carried the day and won against the no.  Which way did Fashy vote?  This is a political challenge for you.  Articles of what the governors forum did or said will not prove that.  The article did not say it was unanimous - a key factor to consider!!.


SO Ʊ would also agree with me that there is no evidence that all the PDP governors voted yes?

If Ʊ agree with the above THEN WHY MAKE IT SEEM AS IF IT IS A PDP THING? Is that not a cowardly act

Moreover why didnt the governors of ACN make a statement after NGF took the position and state their own position after the vote was taken to let the public knw their position like they did when the subsidy saga started?

I have said it a thousand times that  there is nothing like one Nigeria. I am being vindicated here once again. You can see the speed at which ACN supporters and Yorubas have come out en mass to defend Fashola and even try to portray that he is not in support of the fuel subsidy removal. Non of the governors have come out to oppose the removal because they actually started this call for the removal. Even Tinubu in an interview last week did not really oppose the removal but kicked against the method and supported a phased removal.

But once again, ACN members and Yoruba peeps (definitely not all of them, we still have objective people like @seun) will rise to defend their own. I dont have a problem with that really. I only have a problem with their continued claim that they are fighting for Nigeria and their fake stance that we are one country. I have many Yoruba friends and dont have anything against the Yoruba race, but it is important for us to admit we are not one and we are not united. Then we can now sit down properly to discuss our union. This is the only way forward and anything else will just be a futile attempt to postpone the evil day. It will surely come no matter how long it tarries. I do believe that somehow, recent events have accelerated the process and anything can happen from here on.

That's why there's no point playing party politics or sectionalism with this issue. If it was a socialist issue alone then Fashola's government is the most anti-social. Taxes, levies and penalties duplicated severally are the highest making Lagos one of the most expensive places to live and work. The only state that has privatised roads is deregulating higher education. I see nothing wrong with that even protesters were manhandled and arrested. Didn't see any NLC stop work and public preconditions for public wage reductions or arrest of the cabal behind Hitech for that matter. He has suddenly turned hero. Hmm Lagosians. Ever like the wind.

Even if fash is in support that should not stop him 4rm giving the protesters security cuz they are exercising their freedom of speech according to the constitution

The drum tears when it sounds at it loudest!
Waterloo. . . Jonathan. . . Just a premonition.

SO Ʊ would also agree with me that there is no evidence that  all the PDP governors  voted yes?

If Ʊ agree with the above THEN WHY MAKE IT SEEM AS IF IT IS A PDP THING? Is that not a cowardly act

Moreover why didnt the governors of ACN make a statement after NGF took the position and state their own position after the vote was taken to let the public knw their position like they did when the subsidy saga started?

PDP, what's that??  Look, dude, I dont even know what you are talking about.  See previous page for my repeated statement that this is about exercise of democratic rights and not governors forum.  see what Philips said above also.  Dipwater has repeated it.

Beaf:

The very same souls were here yesterday, screaming that Fashola could not be summoned.
Abeg, be ready to resume work, cos it looks like it might not be so easy from now.

Will you ever have shame?

We are on the streets; we are winning; we are educating Nigerians.

Why don't you hide your head in shame?

^
Educating Nigerians about what? Maybe you mean telling lies.

senbonzakura_kageyoshi:

simple question to you "political gurus";
did GEJ appoint Fashola to  be Lagos State governor and can he fire Fashola?
if yes, provide  the relevant sections of the constitution that makes such  provisions.

If GEJ declares a state of emergency in a state, what happens to the governor? Of course, such a situation is an anomaly, but it proves the point of who the boss is.
We shouldn't even be arguing about this, its almost like arguing that a child has no father, it just came in to existence by miracle.

The governors vote to drop the subsidy was UNANIMOUS.

Beaf:
^
Educating Nigerians about what? Maybe you mean telling lies.

Quote from: senbonzakura_kageyoshi on Today at 01:47:35 PM

simple question to you "political gurus";
did GEJ appoint Fashola to  be Lagos State governor and can he fire Fashola?
if yes, provide  the relevant sections of the constitution that makes such  provisions.


If GEJ declares a state of emergency in a state, what happens to the governor? Of course, such a situation is an anomaly, but it proves the point of who the boss is.
We shouldn't even be arguing about this, its almost like arguing that a child has no father, it just came in to existence by miracle.


Why do Ʊ waste Time educating this people!! Let's wait till violence erupt in lagos we would then knw who is the commander in chief of the federal republic of nigeria!! We would knw if it is fashola or GEJ

But once again, ACN members and Yoruba peeps (definitely not all of them, we still have objective people like @seun) will rise to defend their own. I dont have a problem with that really. I only have a problem with their continued claim that they are fighting for Nigeria and their fake stance that we are one country.

Yorubas have always and will always shield our homeland and everything in it that is politically significant.  Fashola is politically significant.  

Those people you excepted and defined as objective in the brackets - and I doubt Seun will thank you for putting him in that bracket - are the stoopid ones that equate fighting as an indignity of the human spirit, they prefer their genteel ways of yielding and agreeing with their opponents than to rock the boat and kick their rival overboard to drown.  So, yes, you are right we defend everything Yoruba that is defensible and I'm glad you agree with it.

Your last statement should be rephrased to read something like this:  "I only have a problem with my own tribe that continue to believe in one Nigeria, instead of using the Yoruba model in political engagement".

Negro_Ntns:


PDP, what's that??  Look, dude, I dont even know what you are talking about.  See previous page for my repeated statement that this is about exercise of democratic rights and not governors forum.  see what Philips said above also.  Dipwater has repeated it.  

No need runinning round in circles.
First, you were not aware that Fashola knew and approved of the subsidy removal with other governors, now that you have been brought upto date, you're talking about democratic rights and governors forum. What's your point exactly?
Except to confuse issues?

Next, you're going to ask for evidence that Fashola is a member of the governors' forum?
Even if he never voted for this issue in person, but he remains a member. There is no evidence to show that he has resigned from the forum, or publicly disowned the vote before this stike.

It's blood chillling to imagine that he was at a forum meeting that approved the removal one day, and the next day, he's with another group protesting against the same removal.
That's called treachary in just about anyplace on earth, except Yorubaland maybe

Update!!!  Governors vote was not unanimous.  The burden of proof is on you to show the vote tally and silence my voice.

@negrontns. Do u believe in one nigeria?

dont mind Fashola, he's still scared of his God Father Tinubu, hence he cant own-up that he was part of d Governors dat recommended d subsidy removal>>>>
As 4 me i now have a rethink>>>
"No date is perfect but i fink January 1st was signified by d government, 4 in d 2012 budget there was no provision for subsidy , " ---- Atedo Peterside

Lets all have a rethink>>> when a time is given, its imperative there"ll b hoardin, scarcity, tension etc>> lets support d govt>> lets give dis govt d benefit of doubt>>> lets discuss parliatives>> let d NLC/TUC discuss/negotiate wiv all tiers of government 4 they were all part of dese descicions>>

My humble submission!!!!!

Negro_Ntns:
Update!!!  Governors vote was not unanimous.  The burden of proof is on you to show the vote tally and silence my voice.

The burden of proof is also on Ʊ to show that all PDP gonvernor voted yes before Ʊ start making it a pdp policy

In as much d protesters are peaceful in their conducts, BRF is right to uphold d tenets of democracy weda he's in suport of d removal of d subsidy on fuel or not. Its nonsensical 4d presidency 2 query an elected governor. Nigeria we hail thee.

Naijaking,

Im sure in your participation on NL you have heard the word "thread".  

What is thread and why is it used in reference to collection of responses?  Thread will be a linking or chain linking of disparate materials contained as an object of a goal and with the purpose of extracting a continuum that bonds them together into a single theme of thought.  

You have been on NL for some time now, you should by this period know how to thread responses.  Stop addressing disparate materials.

@negrontns. Do u believe in one nigeria?

No, I do not. We are foreigners relating with one another in foreign language, practicing foreign creeds and thoughts, emulating foreign values and manners. I want a Yorubaland where I can speak my mother tongue, practice my forefathers creeds and thoughts, emulate their philosophical wisdom and progress that into the new age. This desire will never materialize in a one nigeria, not just for Yoruba. . . .also for other foreigners that are collocated with us in this foreing sovereingty.

YES Fashola was part of those who want the subsidies to be remove because he need more money to develope Lagos

Tell me what BEAF Governor has done with his huge allocation plus the 50 billion he borrowed into the future of our children

Please stop talking and reason, it is not about people but accountability to the people of Nigeria, all we need is a goverment

that will work. I mean create Jobs, Construct roads, Build schools and Hopitals. We do not have that now. I do not care

where this man or woman is from.

Beaf:

^
Educating Nigerians about what? Maybe you mean telling lies.

If GEJ declares a state of emergency in a state, what happens to the governor? Of course, such a situation is an anomaly, but it proves the point of who the boss is.
We shouldn't even be arguing about this, its almost like arguing that a child has no father, it just came in to existence by miracle.

can you, for once, answer a direct question directly instead of this silly bush beating of ifs and maybes. did jona appoint Fashola to be Lagos State governor? Can he fire Fashola, the way he can fire his ministers? Is Fashola an elected government official or a political appointee? even if he declares a state of emergency in Lagos, does it mean Fashola has ceased to be governor? act reasonable, for once, instead of acting unreasonable just to score invalid points. only children do that.

SW governors are hypocrites why pretend as if they are not part of the governors forum when they too supported the removal to earn more allocation.

They want people to think they are saints? unfortunately there are none amongst them.

They are just playing scripted politics by their corrupt & goggled master "jagaband of bogu".