Fayahsoul,

I too, am starting to focus in into your problem.

You hold to the sovereign God theory, which claims that God is one with His creation as creation was made from Him. Your understanding is that God is inseparable from creation due to the fact that He created matter from Himself - from the matter within Him. Your continuous reference to atoms, electrons, and quarks leads me to believe that you think every atom in this tiny universe is under His guidance and control, and holds the essence of God's energy.

Here is what I believe: God is not energy or matter, rather He is a spirit that abides in a spiritual dimension. If God was a part of creation He would be subject to finite life, finite cycles, finite beauty, perishing organisms, perishing planets, perishing stars, etc. That does not go under my definition of Eternal, Infinite, and All-Mighty God, so I believe that God IS NOT part of His creation. If He was inside creation, creation would resemble perfection as He is perfect.

Jews and Christians alike believe that on the first day God created space and matter. We read that God hovered over the water (matter). We do not read in the first book, first paragraphs that God was IN the water. Later we read that God made light (energy). Why would God make energy, if He already is "spiritual energy"? Is this some new type of energy, that didn't already exist within Himself? This photon energy that we call light was created By God, not Of God. If it were, than the Torah would have had that clearly written out.

Your human logic, is your own trap. Your belief is that everything needs a cause, and each cause inherits the previous cause. God did not need a cause. He was the cause. And from His cause sprung the universe, a completely different and individual cause. God being All-Powerful can do things like that. His creation is individual, sovereign in its own behalf, and makes decisions based on free will.

There are times at which God intervenes (intersects) the universe as He cannot bear to see where mankind is headed. Nonetheless God is still separate in 7th heaven, far away from all the troubles of the earth.


Another claim you made was that God has no definition for evil. I object to this claim as well since God intervened on earth through Moses and He made it clear that there is a code of conduct that man should follow. God made it clear that eating from the fruit of evil knowledge was WRONG. God continually sent prophets to judge people for their wickedness. God does have a definition for Good and Evil. And God has revealed Himself to us as being completely Good and Holy.


A quick question before this debate heats up to erroneous levels, are you Jewish? Your reference to God as G-d leads me to believe so. And if you are Jewish, what interpretation of Jewish scriptures do you support?

Yes, indeed there is Hell prepared for the satan and his agents.

[size=13pt]SATAN has certainly been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years. The false doctrine of Hell and the Devil has allowed the Protestant and Catholic Churches to flourish far too long. Without a devil to point their fingers at ,Everything Satan This,Satan That. religionists of the right hand path would have nothing with which to threaten their followers. "Satan leads you to temptation"; "Satan is the prince of evil"; "Satan is vicious, cruel, brutal," they warn. "If you give in to the temptations of the devil, you will surely suffer eternal damnation and roast in Hell.


But Know it that there is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth! [/size]

Which god are we talking about? Man created all gods. And man created hell/heaven to scare you all. This is the only life there is. Get off your knees and stop praying. Stop wasting your time. You dont need god to be good. All the atrocities in the world were committed in the name of religion. Hitler used religion to control his army. The German Army belt buckles said GOTT MIT UNS which means GOD WITH US. Nazi soldiers also took an oath to Hitler saying - I SWEAR BY GOD THIS HOLY OATH, TO ADOLF HITLER, By using religion Hitler made himself seem close to god.

[size=13pt]dogmafree you have shared the main thing. . . . [/size]

Yes, God created hell. Are you forgetting that He is the Alpha and the Omega. As He is all-knowing, He knew that there were beings that will disobey Him, so He made hell for them to perish there. Please read your Bible in context and don't assume fallacies on your own imagination or understanding. God created everything. Yes, God is good but He is not mock. He is the rewarder of those who diligently serve Him.

MAN CREATED HELL!!!!!

[size=13pt]Thats the Right word! [/size]