he is 20 actually   but i agree with you dt he has great potential.however to prevent him from becoming an O'shea Fergie has to decide what he is a CB,RB,DM or watever! d guy is athletically gifted but dt shouldnt give d coach carte blanche to use him in all positions

Good win by UNITED, Now we really need to take it easy with our fixtures cos we assume we have a better run-in than CITY.

its a good thing most our players would be back by next week, then we can prosecute the rest of the season doing what we know how to do best.

dayokanu:

Now everyone now sees that Jones is a defensive liability

He had a fair game considering he got a yellow and still finished the game. All your defenders were a liability yesterday when Leverkusen tore you guys a new one.

d goal was totally giggs fault cos he gave d ball away under no pressure.having said dt united started playing much better after giggs came on wit his gud short passing and his superior movement to paul scholes

afrodoc:

he is 20 actually   but i agree with you dt he has great potential.however to prevent him from becoming an O'shea Fergie has to decide what he is a CB,RB,DM or watever! d guy is athletically gifted but dt shouldnt give d coach carte blanche to use him in all positions

the blame should go to fergie. . . .i actually think he's better as a centre back.
yes, he would make mistakes. who hasn't made one in his career? he's 19 and his mistakes would be magnified cos he plays for the 2 of the biggest football institutions in the world. i like phil jones a lot. he's rugged, fast and has a football brain. he knows what to do with the ball when in possession and that's what makes him better than o'shea, brown, etc who never that much intelligence when they were @ old trafford.

the da silva twins are our best right backs but they are too short. with evra on the pitch against teams like stoke, liverpool, fulham, etc then it doesn't make sense to have 2 midgets in a 4-man defence unit. smalling is a centre-back, not a right back.
it is all this confusion that has added to de gea's woes this season. he had a good game today and shouldn't have conceded a goal if not for ryan giggsy's brain farts.

Giggs was at fault for the spurs goal. Dont think anyone has said otherwise.

afrodoc:

d goal was totally giggs fault cos he gave d ball away under no pressure.having said dt united started playing much better after giggs came on wit his gud short passing and his superior movement to paul scholes

off to opta sports to see carrick's passing stats. . . .

carrick:

pass completion ratio(72/81) - 89%
received: 66 passes
attacking third : 4/5
long pass: 1/2

short pass: 20/22
forward pass: 33/39
backward pass:18/18
square pass: 21/24


modric:

pass completion(41/48) - 85%
received passes: 38 passes
attacking third: 16/17
long pass: 2/2

short pass: 13/17
forward pass: 14/19
backward pass: 14/14
square pass: 13/15

nice one.like i told u before u rely TOO MUCH on stats! can opta tell u wether his missed passes were made when his CBs were out of position or maybe he passed d box in front of d 18 yard box to an opponent while his own full backs were galloping forward on d overlap?
if u read my post well i complained abt him giving d ball away in SENSITIVE areas.
anyways mr opta wt r giggs stats for d match?

afrodoc:

nice one.like i told u before u rely TOO MUCH on stats! can opta tell u wether his missed passes were made when his CBs were out of position or maybe he passed d box in front of d 18 yard box to an opponent while his own full backs were galloping forward on d overlap?
if u read my post well i complained abt him giving d ball away in SENSITIVE areas.
anyways mr opta wt r giggs stats for d match?

the stats tell you all you need to know.
forward pass, backwards pass, square passes and the passes made in the attacking 3rd.
what else do u need to know?

giggs:

pass completion(25/28) - 89%
received passes - 25
attacking third - 9/10
long passes - 2/2

short passes - 9/9
forward passes - 6/8
backward passes - 13/14(the misplaced pass gave spurs the goal, that b@stard giggsy! )
square passes - 6/6

carrick 89% giggs 89%!
but did d stats tell u dt giggs with his 89% overall pass rate and 100% short passing rate ROLLED d ball under LITTLE PRESSURE to one of d premier gunslingers in d EPL?

afrodoc:

carrick 89% giggs 89%!
but did d stats tell u dt giggs with his 89% overall pass rate and 100% short passing rate ROLLED d ball under LITTLE PRESSURE to one of d premier gunslingers in d EPL?

yes it did.
his backward pass was 13/14. . . . .carrick's backward pass was 14/14.

even if i didn't watch the game, i would be curious to know what happened to giggsy's misplaced pass knowing it was a back pass.
back passes are the surest passes ever, no?

which means u would hav to ask some1 who rily did watch d match.proving my point which is "stats can't tell u d specific circumstances under which those passes were made!" just reeling out stats without assessing actual game play is misleading IMO.stats r an ADJUNCT tool when assessing a player's performance,they r not d core tool in assessment. if not scouts searching for buys would just log on to opta n view stats when looking for talent.watching a game esp in person at d stadium is most important.some players r stats machines n r not as gud as their stats,others r better than their stats n for others d stats give an accurate picture.
and yes d backward pass is meant to b d surest pass,giggs messed up big time

afrodoc:

which means u would hav to ask some1 who rily did watch d match.proving my point which is "stats can't tell u d specific circumstances under which those passes were made!" just reeling out stats without assessing actual game play is misleading IMO.[size=18pt]stats r an ADJUNCT tool when assessing a player's performance,they r not d core tool in assessment. if not scouts searching for buys would just log on to opta n view stats when looking for talent.watching a game esp in person at d stadium is most important.some players r stats machines n r not as gud as their stats,others r better than their stats n for others d stats give an accurate picture.[/size]

Can coogar print this and read it every morning?

Try and watch games live and not on the pages of Newspapers

afrodoc:

which means u would hav to ask some1 who rily did watch d match.proving my point which is "stats can't tell u d specific circumstances under which those passes were made!" just reeling out stats without assessing actual game play is misleading IMO.stats r an ADJUNCT tool when assessing a player's performance,they r not d core tool in assessment. if not scouts searching for buys would just log on to opta n view stats when looking for talent.watching a game esp in person at d stadium is most important.some players r stats machines n r not as gud as their stats,others r better than their stats n for others d stats give an accurate picture.
and yes d backward pass is meant to b d surest pass,giggs messed up big time

stats can't tell you the specific circumstances under which those passes are made? really?

the stats showed forward passes which we all know is often difficult than sideways or backwards.
the stats even showed the number of stats made in the attacking third where the pressure is intense from the markers.
fecking hell. . . . .one thing is certain when reeling statistics. . . .stats are facts, not sentiments. . . .if not, let's give the title to tottenham or arsenal as they have played the best football this season.

we can give the golden boot to suarez too as he has hit the post more times than anyone.
without stats, how would you judge the winner of a league, the highest goal scorer, etc?
how can you rule out statistics from football. ever heard of pro zone stats that alex ferguson even uses to choose his players for matches?
i won't be wrong to say you are unlucky to be born in the wrong century.

ok

typical coogar ,very quick to add insults to his points.it degrades u,if u dont know.lets TRY n b above dt

afrodoc:

typical coogar ,very quick to add insults to his points.it degrades u,if u dont know.lets TRY n b above dt

i didn't insult you. . . .

dayokanu:


Can coogar print this and read it every morning?

Try and watch games live and not on the pages of Newspapers

you're a bavarian asswipe!

stats are not important but you are quick to use it to determine torres' goal ratio and blah blah blah.
what a hypocrite bayern's form has made you become?
stats are not important - united went away with 3 points, spurs were the better team for large parts of the game but they ended up with 0 points.

did the result(stats) tell you under which circumstance spurs lost?
did the result show spurs were understrength without bale, van der vaart and parker and united had a stronger team on show?
dayokanu, are you a troglodyte?

i never said stats should be thrown out,i only said said they are not d core tool but an adjunct AND I was talking exclusively(and i made dt clear) about PLAYER PERFORMANCE not league position of clubs or awards like highest goal scorer.dt is y d golden ball winner of d world cup or d MVP of a tournament might not have d best stats of players in his position.

afrodoc:

i never said stats should be thrown out,i only said said they are not d core tool but an adjunct AND I was talking exclusively(and i made dt clear) about PLAYER PERFORMANCE not league position of clubs or awards like highest goal scorer.dt is y d golden ball winner of d world cup or d MVP of a tournament might not have d best stats of players in his position.

so how do you determine the best player of a tournament without stats when we all know people's opinion would always differ?
statistics is the only truth - the only factual parameter. how many passes made, how many completed, key passes, assists, goals, interceptions, etc.
are you aware if all statistics of every player are combined chronologically, you can recreate a match by following each statistics recorded?
statistics can give you a picture if you know how to read it well.

you n i know dt d stats of a player isn't wt is most important when naming best players of tournaments.it would be disingenuous of u to pretend otherwise

afrodoc:

you n i know dt d stats of a player isn't wt is most important when naming best players of tournaments.it would be disingenuous of u to pretend otherwise

yes it is. . . . .
name any tournament where the best player didn't beast the statistics.
the only problem is we won't find those stats anywhere to prove my point.

Euro 2004- Theodoros Zagorakis

dayokanu:

Euro 2004- Theodoros Zagorakis

supply his stats accordingly. . . .why just name him without his stats.
so because he's not popular means he couldn't cop better stats than the big names of that tournament?

LOL
i put it to u dt most MVPs didnt "beast" d stats as u so eloquently put it.wats more YOU KNOW IT!
u just want to win dis argument as usual,no b you?

Standing infront of number 20.

(H) West Brom
(A) Wolves
(H) Fulham
(A) Blackburn
(H) QPR
(A) Wigan
(H) Aston Villa
(H) Everton
(A) Man City
(H) Swansea
(A) Sunderland

afrodoc:

LOL
i put it to u dt most MVPs didnt "beast" d stats as u so eloquently put it.wats more YOU KNOW IT!
u just want to win dis argument as usual,no b you?  

i aint winning an argument - what do i stand to gain?
since prozone/opta started compiling stats, people don't just name twats as mvps.
in the past, tournament organizers might have been guilty of this because some players can't do no wrong for some managers but with football blogs lying around who musta discussed this n that about a certain player, it's so easy now to see who is doing what @ the tournaments.

Mr_TA:

Standing infront of number 20.

(H) West Brom - 3 points
(A) Wolves - 3 points
(H) Fulham - 3 points
(A) Blackburn - 3 points
(H) QPR - 3 points
(A) Wigan - 3 points
(H) Aston Villa - 3 points
(H) Everton - 3 points
(A) Man City - title decider
(H) Swansea - 3 points
(A) Sunderland - 1 point

we have to win the next 8 games.
it's shaped up beautifully for us. the difficult teams in there are playing us at old trafford.
the easy teams are away so if fergie does not cop brain farts, we should make 24 points from the next 8 games.

city would not match that as they will still host chelsea and they would go to the emirates. . . .and even britannia.

its important dt there r no more injuries and dt d guys coming back regain fitness quickly.we cant rily afford to lose rio,carrick,rooney n our wingers at d moment

afrodoc:

its important dt there r no more injuries and dt d guys coming back regain fitness quickly.we cant rily afford to lose rio,carrick,rooney n our wingers at d moment

we cannot afford to lose anyone now. the diet of those players should be monitored.
rooney should stop taking alcohol and tobacco. . . . .anderson. clev, smalling must also return for the run-in.
united have won 6 league games out of 7 drawing the other. . . . .it's squeaky bum time, people.



what a finish!

As per Young,
My position still stands.Why does he keep murdering London clubs?
Great goals,but in my book, he's excess requirements, though he could come in handy.
We have plenty width.We need central midfielders.
No need to bash Jones.Hes been excellent all year.the fella's been battling injury all season.A bad day is not out of place for a consistent youngster.
Badstuber got mauled over the weekend.dayokanu is coming here to make himself feel good by comparing him to Jones.I laugh in Bayern.

one-trick pony my left yansh . . . . .dis is mad execution jare . . . .

Lets see if Jones get to the level of Mobi Oparaku before comparing him to Badstuber.

Were Jones to be German, he would be playing in division 2

The Spurs defenders were simply naive, Young cant dribble or do anything other than look for that far post and they still gave him all the chance in the world to do same

Spurs still have a lot to learn

So long as we have Scholes, Giggs and Carrick playing in a 2 man center, d less likely for Berba to start in 4-4-2. Same goes for Chica. With 2 of those 3 in d middle, we need strikers who can drop deep and do some serious overtime work, tracking back, pressing, covering, tackling e.t.c to pick d excess workload. Berba will never be good at that stuff, meanwhile Chica is useless anywhere but within d 18yard box. Now that Ando and Tom C are poised to return, I expect Berba will get his chances now.