coogar:


oscar is a defender posing to be a playmaker - he's got nothing over mata apart from his defensive quality. oscar is excellent at his secondary role but very poor at his primary role.

45% pass accuracy is the worst i have seen since OPTA started collating stats.

Nihilist:


Which Riquelme? Juan Riquelme the Argentine?

Dadehmola:


Yeah...

If you were asked to pick the player who defined the word "playmaking" and you had to choose between him and mata ( during his supposed top class "playmaking" at Chelsea),who would be your choice?

Nihilist:


I have honestly never in my life heard such a foolish utterance before. Mata is not a playmaker, but Oscar is?

Nihilist:

Riquelme was the daddy of all number 10s, the king of Enganches and I would obviously pick Riquelme over Mata(Subject to tactical tweak of course)
But that's not saying much....Robben is one of the best wingers in the world, but I would still pick Ronaldo over him so....

coogar:


if you knew carrick was a playmaker, you wouldn't have made the other idiötic statement about what carrick was doing on the list as if i was the one that created the list. fact remains carrick was the deep-lying playmaker making the "assist of the assists" to the wingers who were supplying our strikers.

coogar:

this is another big discovery that rooney wasn't in the hole in 11/12 like you have lied to us for years. the route to attack that year was carrick to the wingers --> wingers to the strikers. a deep-lying playmaker can go direct to the strikers or make assist of assists. another football education for you.

coogar:


silva plays for the better team in the last 2-3 seasons at least. silva vs mata on the pitch is your fantasy. the two of them don't see eye to eye on the pitch so how can silva make mata his bïtch?



and it's not badluck that they lost to united? i laugh each time people select when to use bad luck as their excuse. the saints lost to a hopeless liverpool side with morgan in the team & you deemed it bad luck - why not use the same excuse in the games they have lost without morgan?



morgan is shyte!
if he was good, he woulda followed the mass exodus of his team mates last summer. no big club came for him.



it's a combination of many variables - the fixtures favoured them & they have a decent coach who made many smart buys. nothing to do with morgan schnerderlin.



where was his brain against liverpool & spurs?



oscar can't clean mata's boots.
if oscar was better, mata wouldn't have won player of the season for 2 consecutive seasons.



mata is miles better than oscar bar defensive qualities. mata is too small to offer anything defensively. he's short & small-framed.....in the attacking part of the game, only zola is better than mata in the last 15 seasons or thereabout.

elampiro:

I didnt pay attention to this before. Carrick was dominated by team mates in other stats excpet passing.

I JUST GOT TO SEE THIS NOW.

I have told you that the wingers were very busy and they were the set piece takers. The following tells it all.

Passes completed. Rooney almost tied Carrick (our top passer) in very many matches i listed here (one by one) few weeks ago. I also showed he was one of our best short passers. He wouldn't have achieved that from the number 9.

Accurate Long balls: Rooney had one accurate long ball every 15 minutes. Carrick every 14 mins. Among the regular players, Rooney was 3rd behind Scholes and Carrick. Even Giggs had in every 24 minutes. Berba had every 171 minutes. You can see the difference.

coogar:


you weren't differentiating anything...,



why are you lying now?
everyone knew rooney underhit the pass & that was exactly the reason di maria had to chip the ball.....



he has the most blocked shots of any striker in the world. rooney can't think straight - he doesn't dummy his markers.....he hits the ball straight at the direction he's facing. too predictable!

leggo:
lol.. Never say this in public again. Messi stands head and shoulders above silva in every aspect of the game

elampiro:

* I differentiated them. May be you didn't want to understand.

* Rooney did not under hit the pass. Rooney gave a precise sexy pass for Di Maria to score goal of the season.

* What has blocked shot got to do? A midfielder should have blocked shots than number 9s.

coogar:


to be a playmaker, you get the most passes cos other team mates look up to you to do something with the ball. carrick collects it from the centre-halves & distribute with accuracy to the players that will cause havoc.

coogar:


how did the ball get to the wingers - were they the ones taking them from de gea or carrick? how did the entire play also bypass rooney - he had the lowest chance creation stats in a list that included young, valencia & nani.

coogar:


rooney played many games that season - having many passes was expected if you play 34 league games - that doesn't disprove the fact that he was not in the hole. united played 4-4-2 that season.

coogar:


accurate long balls include set plays too. van persie wasn't in united that season & rooney took many set plays that year. you still don't know how to read stats.

coogar:


go home & learn what it takes to be a DLP.



something that many pundits pointed out after i made mention of it here.....rooney made a bad pass to di maria.



this is one of the easiest pass to make - di maria was right in front of rooney - and fat rooney almost messed the pass up.



frequent blocked shots means predictability.
everyone knows what rooney will do once he gets the ball in opponents' area. he has no variation to his play to dummy his markers & evade last-ditch blocks.....he just shoots like a zombie & ruins the chance.

coogar:


you weren't differentiating anything...,



why are you lying now?
everyone knew rooney underhit the pass & that was exactly the reason di maria had to chip the ball.....



he has the most blocked shots of any striker in the world. rooney can't think straight - he doesn't dummy his markers.....he hits the ball straight at the direction he's facing. too predictable!



halftime at OT.....



45% pass accuracy - oscar is indeed the best playmaker in the northern hemisphere. shirley is correct.

Talsima:
In 2011/2012 season, Rooney had the highest number of long passes in the team apart from the DDG. The next was Carrick. Rooney had 238 long balls while Carrick had 218. Berba had only 4, Chicha 15 and Welbeck 17. Yet we are being misled Rooney led the line.

Rooney, Carrick and Anderson needed about 15 minutes to make an accurate long pass. The best in the team behind Scholes. Berbatov needed 170 minutes while Welbeck 145, Chicha 145. Yet we are being told Rooney was on top.

Short passes. Among the wingers and forwards, Rooney again made far more short passes per minute. Also more accurate short passes per minute. Only Valencia is the forward player (excluding CMs and defenders) who was better than Rooney. This can be understood because Valencia played in defence. Yet, we were made to believe Rooney played as the top man.

Crosses. Stats show that the wingers were the ones involved in crosses. This shows me they were the ones taking set plays, thereby helping them to a high assists, together with Rooney's diagonal passes to them.

Talsima:
18 March 2012, Wolves 0 Man United 5
Rooney 76 passes, Chicharito 18 passes. Both played for 90 minutes.
Only Scholes made more passes than Rooney. Welbeck played from the left wing and made only 45 passes. Yet we would be made to believe both Rooney and Chicha played as two strikers like RVP and Falcao.

26 March 2012, Man United 1 Fulham 0.
Rooney 47 passes, Welbeck 18. Welbeck subbed at 62 mins, Rooney 78 mins.

14 January 2012 Man United 3 Bolton 0
Rooney, 60 passes, Welbeck 25. Welbeck subbed 77 mins. Only Carrick had more passes than Rooney.


I just want to stop here. The records are there forever.

Talsima:
Rooney was always one of our highest passers in matches of 2011/2012 except when played as a lone striker without Welbeck, Chicha and Berba on the pitch.

In some occasions only a central midfielder having more passes, or one CM and one defender. Mostly among the top passers when started with Chicha or Welbeck. When Rooney scored a hatrick vs Bolton sept 12 2011, only Anderson and Rio had more passes than Rooney. He made more passes than Carrick who came on in 7th minute. When we beat Arsenal 8-2, Rooney was among the very top passers. I have checked many. How can a top 9 be among the top passers for a team in matches. Rooney must be an alien.

Let me log out jor. I know say dem go post at 3am.

Nihilist:


I have honestly never in my life heard such a foolish utterance before. Mata is not a playmaker, but Oscar is?

Nihilist:


Riquelme was the daddy of all number 10s, the king of Enganches and I would obviously pick Riquelme over Mata(Subject to tactical tweak of course)

But that's not saying much....Robben is one of the best wingers in the world, but I would still pick Ronaldo over him so....

elampiro:

Hahaha, that was a perfect pass. Any further force should have sent Di Maria on collusion with two defenders. But Rooney gave him a pass with an option to score or free Falcao with the goal keeper.

Prone to the Hollywood ball, Rooney failed with each of his long forward passes and, in attacking zones, Rooney managed just one shot – off target, of course. True, Rooney completed an assist for Angel Di Maria’s goal, but the pass was so underweighted that the Argentinian was forced into a sublime finish simply to complete United’s move.

* I have seen Rooney tuned 180 to deceive players and set Herrera free on the edge of the box, but Herrera has a weak shot. I saw him turn many times against City, sending players the wrong direction. Even in our last match.

Shirley07:

Dunno what you're talking about. Oscar had 80% pass success rate in that game.

Shirley07:

Shift jor. Messi that went to waste as soon as his mum and dad (Xaviesta) started to decline. Do you watch City 2-0 loss to Barca in the CL last season? Silva was the best player on the pitch in that game. Hands down.

coogar:


so why did a football pundit say this?






so rooney's 5 yard pass to di maria was more difficult than mata's pass to rooney leading to RVP's goal last night?

elampiro:

The above states it all.

elampiro:

You have started quoting comments from those haters who were trying to make case for Rooney to be dropped. Thank God no one listen to them. That was a magnificent pass. Absolutely fantastic.
Mata was not in motion with the ball, Rooney was. I will close my eyes to make that Mata's pass. Go and watch women junior world cup, you will see better passes.

coogar:


your argument is like that of a villager - so because rooney posted high number of passes in 11/12 means he operated in the hole?

how do you explain this, then?

2.4 key pass per game, 13 assists - valencia
2.3 key pass per game, 10 assists - nani
1.8 key pass per game , 8 assists - giggs
1.7 key pass per game , 7 assists - young

1.5 key pass per game , 4 assists - rooney

1.1 key pass per game , 4 assists - welbeck

so all our wingers with their limited number of appearances managed to post more key passes/game than rooney in 11/12 & you still continue to lie rooney played in the hole?

Key pass doesn't tell anything. Our wingers were involved in set plays as well as receiving diagonal passes from Rooney. Long passes from Scholes and Rooney too.

* How do you explain this? Rooney had more passes than Carrick against Bolton, had a last man clearance and scored a hatrick. Yet he was the number 9. . A number 9 equaled Carrick in number of passes.

* I am also waiting for you to prove Rooney's 5 long balls per match were from corner kicks.

* I will also like you to prove that corner kicks are long passes. We learn every day.

coogar:


oscar is a defender posing to be a playmaker - he's got nothing over mata apart from his defensive quality. oscar is excellent at his secondary role but very poor at his primary role.

45% pass accuracy is the worst i have seen since OPTA started collating stats.

Dadehmola:


I don't think the Ronaldo logic cuts it here cos Ronaldo's numbers are more impressive than robben's. Why would you choose a riquelme who's key numbers weren't as impressive as Mata's?

coogar:



mata wasn't in motion when he put rooney through? are you blind? was the first pass not from a counter attack that mata started & rooney messed the cross up? if you can close your eyes to make the mata pass to rooney then rooney is a disgrace for failing to find van persie in the box.

elampiro:


You were talking about Mata's pass to RVP.

Mata pass to Rooney is seen every week in the EPL when a defence plays high, it becomes easy.

elampiro:

Key pass doesn't tell anything. Our wingers were involved in set plays as well as receiving diagonal passes from Rooney. Long passes from Scholes and Rooney too.

* How do you explain this? Rooney had more passes than Carrick against Bolton, had a last man clearance and scored a hatrick. Yet he was the number 9. . A number 9 equaled Carrick in number of passes.

* I am also waiting for you to prove Rooney's 5 long balls per match were from corner kicks.

* I will also like you to prove that corner kicks are long passes. We learn every day. [/b]

coogar:


i was talking about the world class skill to get it to rooney & the selfless attitude & self control to give it to RVP.

if mata pass to rooney is seen every week, how come rooney cannot deliver a simpler pass into the box when van persie was waiting at the far post? falcao delivered it on a plate for RVP at leicester in a similar position.

coogar:


so why did a football pundit say this?






so rooney's 5 yard pass to di maria was more difficult than mata's pass to rooney leading to RVP's goal last night?




that was the half time report.....
so oscar went on to complete 80% by full time but mata completed 91% of his passes at full time.

so we ask again - who's the better passer of the ball?

elampiro:


Anything could happen in a match- like RVP missing from 7 yards from Vals pass. That was a tap in. So forget that Rooney's pass which was intercepted. Rooney has given far more quality passes like the one for Valencia to score Leverkusen. To RVP against Villa. Sexy pass to Di Maria to score a classical chip. More and more and more.

Mata's pass was ordinary. I will pass it even under tight marking. RVP was all alone and no body on the way.

coogar:


key pass doesn't tell anything? so what's rooney's function in the hole? scratching his balls?



what's the meaning of number-9?
we played 4-4-2 against bolton - who was number 9 when falcao & RVP were the strikers in the early part of the season?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1944712_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

show us how rooney was in the hole in this formation?




if it's completed, it's a pass!

leggo:
this xaviesta line is cliche, the playmaking aspect of messi's game has been grossly understated all of Barca's best moves have him at the heart of it. Please stop arguing like you work for NTA.