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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2016
Kagawa10:

I disagree with this.
Martial wasn't a panic buy. He had been scouted severally by the scouts. Even during the transfer, the fans were briefed that the club would get a costly striker but only when he's available and at that time Monaco wanted to keep Martial only if they failed to qualify for their CL play off and once they failed to do that, Martial was allowed to leave for Manutd.
I disagree that Martial is too young to lead the team. Infact, he's good enough to bench Rooney. The fact that he's been the team's best player tells a lot. And with a technical creative midfield constantly supporting him, the sky is only his limit.
As per the midfielder, he got one only that he failed to realise he's no holding midfielder. I admit that's his fault.
But to say he's the reason for the poor display from the average players in the team is acting precious.
what are you on about exactly? Whose squad is it? Why does he have average players in his squad? Who asked him not to replace the average players or why has he been signing average players?

Do you even listen to yourself?

Can you say he gotten the best from these average players or are these average players even playing to their abilities?


There's no way to defend him. You are simply confused.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 10:03pm On Mar 28, 2016
GBR1:

what are you on about exactly? Whose squad is it? Why does he have average players in his squad? Who asked him not to replace the average players or why has he been signing average players?

Do you even listen to yourself?

Can you say he gotten the best from these average players or are these average players even playing to their abilities?


There's no way to defend him. You are simply confused.

he would rather we changed all the players than change a coach who simple is confused, confusing the average players we have and annoying the fans with his useless philosophy, formation, selections and substitutions.

LvG should leave already, there are too many things he aint getting right even if we agree for the sake of argument that ALL the players are below average..


which top player would want to came to United seeing what he is doing especially when we fail to make CL.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:07pm On Mar 28, 2016
elrony:

LVG never learns!...abi you no dey watch our matches? cheesy
Except if Carrick never gets injured.
He only tends to thinker the line-ups whenever Carrick is injured and the needs to find a substitute replacement for him becomes tedious and once Schneiderlin failed to perform well in the said role, he gets dropped.
After Carrick returns to the team, LVG finds it difficult to deploy Schneiderlin alongside Carrick, probably due to the grudges he still harboured against Morgan for his poor display and the cycles repeat itself.
I'm just hoping that the midfield's vibrant display against City would lessen his stubbornness. Special mention to Lingard, who's pace, quickness, intelligent movement and awareness in the midfield has been a refreshment in the midfield as opposed to a certain Mata.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:15pm On Mar 28, 2016
GBR1:

what are you on about exactly? Whose squad is it? Why does he have average players in his squad? Who asked him not to replace the average players or why has he been signing average players?

Do you even listen to yourself?

Can you say he gotten the best from these average players or are these average players even playing to their abilities?


There's no way to defend him. You are simply confused.
Do you want me to name the players that aint his?
Mata, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney, Valencia, Carrick, Young are not LVg's signings. The aforementioned players are the ones operating in our midfield and attacks which have been known to be poor thus far. Apart from Young who is decent although injury prone and maybe Carrick (who can still do a little job inspite of his age), others are bang average.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:22pm On Mar 28, 2016
GBR1:
stop peddling lies.

LVG spent 250 or more actually but he sold some players but regardless he spent 250 and there's nothing to show for it. We play very terrible football, got no trophies and we have an average squad according to you. So what has he succeeded at?
Why don't you name LVG's signings that cost 250 mil?
As per Mourinho, his Chelsea and Madrid stints already support my claims. These were the only clubs he stayed long enough to know the way he operates.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:55pm On Mar 28, 2016
GBR1:

How many of these quality players would come to united with LVG in charge? We are not that attractive anymore due to the mediocrity that have been plaguing us for some years now. Money isn't really much of an advantage anymore like it used to. We are going nowhere with LVG in charge and I'm glad the board has realised that, so he's getting replaced by Jose this summer. This was the appointment that should have been made SAF retired, but it's better late than never.
Martial chose manutd depite Chelsea offering huge amount for him. Bastian did too. Falcao also came to manutd.
Even Fabregas and Pedro wanted Manutd only that LVG didn't want them.
And I didn't see any Epl top clubs signing any quality established player last season because none were available.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 11:05pm On Mar 28, 2016
Kagawa10:

Do you want me to name the players that aint his?
Mata, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney, Valencia, Carrick, Young are not LVg's signings. The aforementioned players are the ones operating in our midfield and attacks which have been known to be poor thus far. Apart from Young who is decent and maybe Carrick (who can still do a little job inspite of his age), the others are bang average.
Besides Herrera and Fellani, the remaining players you named are premier league winning players. Why hasn't LVG replaced them since they are poor and are the problems? What's stopping him? do you even know how many players he has sold regardless of being poor or not? Have the ones he bought proved to be better? Is he even getting the best from these average players? what's a good coach job? so you think all football success/failure is down to the players and the influence of a coach is negligible? I repeat LVG is past it, and there's usually no coming back from this with him.
Kagawa10:

Why don't you name LVG's signings that cost 250 mil?
As per Mourinho, his Chelsea and Madrid stints already support my claims. These were the only clubs he stayed long enough to know the way he operates.
Van Gaal's major signings
Angel di Maria (£60m)
Luke Shaw (£30m)
Ander Herrera (£29m)
Marcos Rojo (£16m)
Daley Blind (£14m)
Radamel Falcao (£6m loan fee)
Victor Valdes (Free)
Anthony Martial (£36m)
Morgan Schneiderlin (£25m)
Memphis Depay (£25m)
Matteo Darmian (£14.4m)
Bastian Schweinsteiger (£6.3m)
Sergio Romero (Free)
Total spend: £261.7m


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3368757/Louis-van-Gaal-vs-David-Moyes-Numbers-Dutchman-expensive-mistake-Manchester-United.html

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 11:14pm On Mar 28, 2016
Kagawa10:

Martial chose manutd depite Chelsea offering huge amount for him. Bastian did too. Falcao also came to manutd.
Even Fabregas and Pedro wanted Manutd only that LVG didn't want them.
And I didn't see any Epl top clubs signing any quality established player last season because none were available.
You are now sounding like a clown while attempting revisionism. Martial wasn't a top player when we got him and we still got him at a steep price. Bastian is an injury proned player who was past his best and useless to bayern; how has Bastian performed? undecided Falcao was coming off a major inury and had been a risk at the time, and so he flopped badly.
The part in bold is false too. Chelsea snatched Pedro from us( though we should have no regrets about that) and Moyes wanted Fabregas but he remained in Barcelona and he joined chelsea when he left. So which top player has LVG gotten us? Or does he actually get these top players and they become terrible under him?
Stop the lies.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:18pm On Mar 28, 2016
Kagawa10:

Except if Carrick never gets injured.
He only tends to thinker the line-ups whenever Carrick is injured and the needs to find a substitute replacement for him becomes tedious and once Schneiderlin failed to perform well in the said role, he gets dropped.
After Carrick returns to the team, LVG finds it difficult to deploy Schneiderlin alongside Carrick, probably due to the grudges he still harboured against Morgan for his poor display and the cycles repeat itself.
I'm just hoping that the midfield's vibrant display against City would lessen his stubbornness. Special mention to Lingard, who's pace, quickness, intelligent movement and awareness in the midfield has been a refreshment in the midfield as opposed to a certain Mata.

Carrick is just 30% effective at the moment,he's become a liability making silly errors upandan(old age being the cause). LVG tinkering the team because of him is a just plain dumbness,more of the reasons we get overrun in the middle,coupled with the Foolaini pairing.

Louis Okomu Banga is a confused stubborn old man who has refused to learn from his ineffective tactics.

Truth be told,he doesn't deserve any justification for continuity as Head Coach.

LVG should be kicked out or retire this summer and keep his useless honour to himself.
grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 11:49pm On Mar 28, 2016
GBR1:

You are now sounding like a clown while attempting revisionism. Martial wasn't a top player when we got him and we still got him at a steep price. Bastian is an injury proned player who was past his best and useless to bayern; how has Bastian performed? undecided Falcao was coming off a major inury and had been a risk at the time, and so he flopped badly.
The part in bold is false too. Chelsea snatched Pedro from us( though we should have no regrets about that) and Moyes wanted Fabregas but he remained in Barcelona and he joined chelsea when he left. So which top player has LVG gotten us? Or does he actually get these top players and they become terrible under him?
Stop the lies.
LOL.
We refused to pay the asking price for him nor agree to give him the wage he wanted because LVG believed he's not worth it.
How can you say Pedro was snatched when we had all the time to have sealed up the deal if we had really wanted him before Chelsea came to the fore? You got to be deaf to not hear when LVG said he wasn't keen on Pedro because he already have Lingard, whom he believed would contribute much more this season.
You mentioned that Martial wasn't a top player yet Chelsea bidded for him? He might not be a top player but he was a highly rated talent who snubbed Chelsea to come to manutd.
And we already have Mata and a new signing in Herrera at the time Fabregas left Barca.. The reality is we never pursued Fabregas when he left Barca. Why should we when we already have Mata and Herrera in the team? It was only Moyes that did pursue him the previous season and there were no Mata nor Herrera in the team by then.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 11:59pm On Mar 28, 2016
elrony:


Carrick is just 30% effective at the moment,he's become a liability making silly errors upandan(old age being the cause). LVG tinkering the team because of him is a just plain dumbness,more of the reasons we get overrun in the middle,coupled with the Foolaini pairing.

Louis Okomu Banga is a confused stubborn old man who has refused to learn from his ineffective tactics.

Truth be told,he doesn't deserve any justification for continuity as Head Coach.

LVG should be kicked out or retire this summer and keep his useless honour to himself.
grin

That's funny.
Because Herrera, the turn over machine was the reason we got overrun in the midfield against Westbrom and Watford. He was totally awful and looked like a sunday league player who couldn't pass the ball accurately nor control the ball.
At no time did we ever get overrun with Carrick and Fellaini in the midfield, it's just that Fellaini's quickness of thought is just too slow and he has little creativity in his arsenal to make us tick well in the attacks. Apart from this, he's been quite better than the pathetic Herrera who only turns up against teams that affords him plenty of space in the midfield.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 12:38am On Mar 29, 2016
GBR1:

Besides Herrera and Fellani, the remaining players you named are premier league winning players. Why hasn't LVG replaced them since they are poor and are the problems? What's stopping him? do you even know how many players he has sold regardless of being poor or not? Have the ones he bought proved to be better? Is he even getting the best from these average players? what's a good coach job? so you think all football success/failure is down to the players and the influence of a coach is negligible? I repeat LVG is past it, and there's usually no coming back from this with him. Van Gaal's major signings
Angel di Maria (£60m)
Luke Shaw (£30m)
Ander Herrera (£29m)
Marcos Rojo (£16m)
Daley Blind (£14m)
Radamel Falcao (£6m loan fee)
Victor Valdes (Free)
Anthony Martial (£36m)
Morgan Schneiderlin (£25m)
Memphis Depay (£25m)
Matteo Darmian (£14.4m)
Bastian Schweinsteiger (£6.3m)
Sergio Romero (Free)
Total spend: £261.7m


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3368757/Louis-van-Gaal-vs-David-Moyes-Numbers-Dutchman-expensive-mistake-Manchester-United.html

Those crossed players weren't his signings. Those players were signed by the board. Did you forget the Herrera saga in the previous season when Bilbao club clashed with us for sending fake negotiators? And it was believed that Herrera had already signed a contract with us only waiting for his club to accept the asking fees from us.
And we did recouped almost the amount Di Maria got signed.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:18am On Mar 29, 2016
Looking at that list of LVG signings only makes me wonder what the heck he was sniffing... Valdez and Romero. What for!? Then only him one will fight with the players and bench them without kicking a ball...!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 6:57am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

Except that his players would be run to ground and drained physically, emotionally and become shit in the subsequent seasons while playing dull football.
Between Van gaal never spent 250 mail .
but 250mil was available for him to spend.
Modified : he even spent 200mil if you didn't include shaw and Herrera. Van gaal is a goat.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 7:31am On Mar 29, 2016
GBR1:

You are now sounding like a clown while attempting revisionism. Martial wasn't a top player when we got him and we still got him at a steep price. Bastian is an injury proned player who was past his best and useless to bayern; how has Bastian performed? undecided Falcao was coming off a major inury and had been a risk at the time, and so he flopped badly.
The part in bold is false too. Chelsea snatched Pedro from us( though we should have no regrets about that) and Moyes wanted Fabregas but he remained in Barcelona and he joined chelsea when he left. So which top player has LVG gotten us? Or does he actually get these top players and they become terrible under him?
Stop the lies.
Dude let that guy be. You are wasting your energy on irrelevant issues. Even rival fans are praying for LVG to stay so that more woes from him can befall United.

A coach that sells Chicharito simply coz he missed a penalty is not worthy of being at United.
A coach that sells Falcao, Persie and Chicharito so he can make Rooney our main and sole striker at the age of 30 with worn-out legs and less pace, is not worthy of being at Utd.
A coach that overlooks the likes of Vidal, Matuidi and co to buy a washed up Schweinsteiger with a lengthy record of injury is a móron.
A coach that pairs 2 SNAILS, Carrick and Teiger against a fast paced AssAnal players, should be killed with food poisoning.
A coach whose DM is hinged on a 34-year-old Carrick should be beheaded.
A coach that doesn't have a first 11 for 3 consecutive matches is bàstard!!
A coach that has a more deadly Ashely Young for our left wing but plays him in the RB position is not fit to coach Enyimba.
A coach that sold Rafeal for NO SANE REASON is not better than Moyes.


If there was any justice in the world, 7 ewoks would rape LVG to death. I blame the owners of United that can't have the balls to sack the sick Idíot!!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:41am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

Only when a quality players become available. I don't support signing average players for the sake of just signing when you can get quality player in the summer.
That being said, the team's problem is the attack and the non-creative midfield. Our team is the 2nd best team after Spurs to have the least goal conceded.
I repeat The defence aint our problem.

The defence is not our problem only when the defenders are fit.

If DDG is removed from that goal, you will see how terrible our defence is.

If Fellaini had not been used to defend aerial balls and set plays, you would have seen how terrible our defence is.

The defence is so terrible that even Anthony Martial, Rashford, Lingard sometimes spend half of the time defending. Even Mata had learnt how to defend in Manchester United. I won't mention Young and Rooney who are used to defending naturally.

Defence is our number one problem. That is, with injuries. There is nothing wrong in buying an experienced average utility player ad Oshea used to do for us. Someone who will be happy to be just a back up.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 7:54am On Mar 29, 2016
weedtaker:
but 250mil was available for him to spend.
Modified : he even spent 200mil if you didn't include shaw and Herrera. Van gaal is a goat.
We recouped almost the fees Di maria got signed, that's a deficit already.
Di Maria was sold for 45mil..
and with the likes of Nani, Kagawa, RVP, Hernadez, Rafael, Welbeck being sold for roughly 41mil under LVG.
In other words, we recouped 86mil under LVG. Deduct 86 from 200, do the maths.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by capricornian(m): 7:57am On Mar 29, 2016
I had a dream last night that LVG got sacked two or three matches to the end of the season.. Uncle Giggs was made the caretaker coach.

As happy as I was when I woke up, I hope we do not miss out on CL
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:04am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

That's funny.
Because Herrera, the turn over machine was the reason we got overrun in the midfield against Westbrom and Watford. He was totally awful and looked like a sunday league player who couldn't pass the ball accurately nor control the ball.
At no time did we ever get overrun with Carrick and Fellaini in the midfield, it's just that Fellaini's quickness of thought is just too slow and he has little creativity in his arsenal to make us tick well in the attacks. Apart from this, he's been quite better than the pathetic Herrera who only turns up against teams that affords him plenty of space in the midfield.

The run if games handed over to Herrera recently actually exposed that he is not as good as we previously thought but it is also a fact that Herrera and Schneirderlin in our midfield dominates their opponents.

If those two were not in our midfield against Arsenal, we stood no chance of winning. Arsenal would have beaten us badly. Herrera and Schneirderlin will be here next season even if we get a better midfielder.

We will need a full squad next season, not a squad of 22 senior players. That is another Gaal's error. He over trimmed the team because he said he didn't want to be under pressure to use certain players.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 8:10am On Mar 29, 2016
elampiro:


The defence is not our problem only when the defenders are fit.

If DDG is removed from that goal, you will see how terrible our defence is.

If Fellaini had not been used to defend aerial balls and set plays, you would have seen how terrible our defence is.

The defence is so terrible that even Anthony Martial, Rashford, Lingard sometimes spend half of the time defending. Even Mata had learnt how to defend in Manchester United. I won't mention Young and Rooney who are used to defending naturally.

Defence is our number one problem. That is, with injuries. There is nothing wrong in buying an experienced average utility player ad Oshea used to do for us. Someone who will be happy to be just a back up.
We once had him though.
There's no issue expecting the forwards to track back. Even Messi tracks back for Barca.
Fellaini as a midfielder is expected to defend, same with Lingard who's been deployed in the midfield for 2 games running now. That's not issues at all.
We could say that DDG constantly saved our as$ last season but this season, he's not been constantly worked up compared to last season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:18am On Mar 29, 2016

Of all the players that left us, Nani is the one that his departure got me sad the most. What we have lacked mostly this season, is a player who, when things are deadlock, takes the bull by the horn to provide unusual attacking inspirations through individual artistry and pace. That kind of individual has been missing in attack all season. There are days the team work doesn't work, then you need someone to torment the opposition with his individual ability.

Martial is good, but his lack of pace over long distance is a hindrance to providing such inspirations. Rashford seems to even be faster over a long distance. I have seen many counters that died on Martial's legs, that even JS Park could have carried the ball more yards into opposition area before looking for a pass.

Depay looks more like the person who is capable of carrying the ball a great distance and running past men in the process, but these guys are all kids. The three of them need two to four years to develop their games to world class.





Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 8:20am On Mar 29, 2016
elampiro:


The run if games handed over to Herrera recently actually exposed that he is not as good as we previously thought but it is also a fact that Herrera and Schneirderlin in our midfield dominates their opponents.

If those two were not in our midfield against Arsenal, we stood no chance of winning. Arsenal would have beaten us badly. Herrera and Schneirderlin will be here next season even if we get a better midfielder.

We will need a full squad next season, not a squad of 22 senior players. That is another Gaal's error. He over trimmed the team because he said he didn't want to be under pressure to use certain players.
How many opponents if I asked you?
You mean the Arsenal team, consisting of the lazy Ozil, Ramsey who all failed to press our midfield, resulting into large space afforded to our midfielders? Are you forgetting that Watford and Swansea had no difficulty whipping the same lazy Arsenal team after our team defeated them??
Abeg leave matter for mathais, Herrera is bang average.
I already drew my conclusion the moment he managed to look like an eediot against a high pressing Mtyjilland's midfield in the second leg despite the whole team having the best game of their lives.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 8:29am On Mar 29, 2016
So the average players(the whole team since most are termed average) we've should leave and LvG given another 250mil to get new samples to continue his experiment?

Hehe! Continuu! grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 8:34am On Mar 29, 2016
elampiro:

Of all the players that left us, Nani is the one that his departure got me sad the most. What we have lacked mostly this season, is a player who, when things are deadlock, takes the bull by the horn to provide unusual attacking inspirations through individual artistry and pace. That kind of individual has been missing in attack all season. There are days the team work doesn't work, then you need someone to torment the opposition with his individual ability.

Martial is good, but his lack of pace over long distance is a hindrance to providing such inspirations. Rashford seems to even be faster over a long distance. I have seen many counters that died on Martial's legs, that even JS Park could have carried the ball more yards into opposition area before looking for a pass.

Depay looks more like the person who is capable of carrying the ball a great distance and running past men in the process, but these guys are all kids. The three of them need two to four years to develop their games to world class.





Let's not act as if Nani was consistent here. He managed to have 2 good season and since then, he's been competing with Quaresma on who's football brain is better.
The fact is Martial has done far better than what Nani managed to do here when he was Martial's age. And Martial is only going to improve.
As per Depay, except the team is playing against some 3rd rate defenders in the europa, a tree is likely to dribble past his opponent than Depay.
Even while at Psv, he was mostly known for his goals. He played as an inside forward while depending on the creativity in his team. That's why he was likened to Ronaldo rather than Messi, which is even ridiculous because Ronaldo at 21 could dribble pass his opponents at will, it was only at Madrid, he reinvented his game as a goalscoring forward
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 8:36am On Mar 29, 2016
chrisley024:
So the average players(the whole team since most are termed average) we've should leave and LvG given another 250mil to get new samples to continue his experiment?

Hehe! Continuu! grin
The fact that you're still bent on this your 250mil ish shows you have nothing to say.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:41am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

We once had him though.
There's no issue expecting the forwards to track back. Even Messi tracks back for Barca.
And Fellaini as a midfielder is expected to defend, same with Lingard who's been deployed in the midfield for 2 games running now. That's not issues at all.
We could say that DDG constantly saved our as$ last season but this season, he's not been constantly worked up compared to last season.


I give up. You are a troll.

Since December when our players went on injury, tell me which match DeGea has not saved goal bound shots that would ordinary be goals? Every match DDG must make at least one great save. Recently, against City, West Ham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Watford, should be fresh in your memory.

There are three main reasons our goals conceded are few.

1. DeGea
2. Boring football earlier in the season
3. Our solid defence when we had Val, Smalling, Jones and Rojo fit together at one point. That was when we had the least shots against DDG and we went top of the league. We got good results like beating Everton 3-0, Sunderland 3-0. Just before then when Shaw was fit, we beat Liverpool 3-1.

When Shaw was fit we hardly conceded from set play or crossing. The match he was injured, we conceded from two crosses when he left the pitch. It was when we paired Jones and Smalling that problem was temporary solved and we even tamed Stoke in the Britania wind.

Abeg abeg shift away. Defence is our primary problem. If Shaw, Jones, Valencia, Rojo stayed fit we would still be in the UCL and be on top of the league. LVG over trimmed the team. Even Johnny Evans could have done some job.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 8:48am On Mar 29, 2016
elampiro:



I give up. You are a troll.

Since December when our players went on injury, tell me which match DeGea has not saved goal bound shots that would ordinary be goals? Every match DDG must make at least one great save. Recently, against City, West Ham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Watford, should be fresh in your memory.

There are three months reasons our goals conceded are few.

1. DeGea
2. Boring football earlier in the season
3. Our solid defence when we had Val, Smalling, Jones and Rojo fit together at one point. That was when we had the least shots against DDG and we went to of the league. We got good results like beating Everton 3-0, Sunderland 3-0. Just before then when Shaw was fit, we beat Liverpool 3-1.

When Shaw was fit we hardly conceded from set play or crossing. The match he was injured, we conceded from two crosses when he left the pitch. It was when we paired Jones and Smalling that problem was temporary solved and we even tamed Stoke in the Britania wind.

Abeg abeg shift away. Defence is our primary problem. If Shaw, Jones, Valencia, Rojo stayed fit we would still be in the UCL and be on top of the league.
It's tedious arguing with you.
What's the essence of a GK in the team? Saying De Gea hasn't been constantly worked up doesn't mean he wouldn't make one or 2 saves in a match because all keeper do that but the truth is our Opponents hasn't had many chances against us except for the odd games here and there (I can only think of the Watford team where Blind had a stinker) as opposed to last season when De Gea constantly pull off many saves in a game.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:58am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

Let's not act as if Nani was consistent here. He managed to have 2 good season and since then, he's been competing with Quaresma on who's football brain is better.
The fact is Martial has done far better than what Nani managed to do here when he was Martial's age. And Martial is only going to improve.
As per Depay, except the team is playing against some 3rd rate defenders in the europa, a tree is likely to dribble past his opponent than Depay.
Even while at Psv, he was mostly known for his goals. He played as an inside forward while depending on the creativity in his team. That's why he was likened to Ronaldo rather than Messi, which is even ridiculous because Ronaldo at 21 could dribble pass his opponents at will, it was only at Madrid, he reinvented his game as a goalscoring forward

I am talking about what Nani could be doing for us, you are talking about what he did in his first season with us.

From day one, Nani showed he could be a match winner when things are deadlock. I remember in the early part of 2007/2008 season when Rooney was injured. Our front line didn't blend enough to win games as Tevez was finding it hard. Nani won about three games for us. One thunder bolt from outside of his box. Then he had another great Assist.

As Rooney returned, we had Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez as principal front players. Then Giggs and Nani with many starts.

When Ronaldo left, at some point Nani was doing almost the things Ronaldo did for us. At some point, even big oppositions in UCL find Valencia and Nani a big problem.

Martial is still a kid and not capable of retuning deadlock matched in our favour yet.

As for Depay, if he doing it against 3rd tier teams, why don't you think he could do it against top teams in two years to come?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:05am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

How many opponents if I asked you?
You mean the Arsenal team, consisting of the lazy Ozil, Ramsey who all failed to press our midfield, resulting into large space afforded to our midfielders? Are you forgetting that Watford and Swansea had no difficulty whipping the same lazy Arsenal team after our team defeated them??
Abeg leave matter for mathais, Herrera is bang average.
I already drew my conclusion the moment he managed to look like an eediot against a high pressing Mtyjilland's midfield in the second leg despite the whole team having the best game of their lives.

When we beat Watford 1-0 who was in our midfield?

When we were playing West Brom with 10 men who was our best player? Was it not LVG who removed our best player, Herrera, then our attack collapsed?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 9:07am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

That's funny.
Because Herrera, the turn over machine was the reason we got overrun in the midfield against Westbrom and Watford. He was totally awful and looked like a sunday league player who couldn't pass the ball accurately nor control the ball.
At no time did we ever get overrun with Carrick and Fellaini in the midfield, it's just that Fellaini's quickness of thought is just too slow and he has little creativity in his arsenal to make us tick well in the attacks. Apart from this, he's been quite better than the pathetic Herrera who only turns up against teams that affords him plenty of space in the midfield.

Tihiahiahiahaha cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Nigga you's a clown homie! You ain't seen how dead we look with Papa and Foolaini at the middle?

I'd rather start a Morgan,schweini,herrera, or Morgan, Papa,Herrera.

In all both our assertions it is damn clear LVG the cretineous fukctard must leave for us to have peace!

Nothing else!!!!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:08am On Mar 29, 2016
Kagawa10:

It's tedious arguing with you.
What's the essence of a GK in the team? Saying De Gea hasn't been constantly worked up doesn't mean he wouldn't make one or 2 saves in a match because all keeper do that but the truth is our Opponents hasn't had many chances against us except for the odd games here and there (I can only think of the Watford team where Blind had a stinker) as opposed to last season when De Gea constantly pull off many saves in a game.

What is the essence of a goalkeeper? There are goalkeepers, there are goalkeepers and there are goalkeepers. If it's just having a goalkeeper, we could sell DeGea already and play Romero.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 9:08am On Mar 29, 2016
I wish we could just sell LVG!!!!! cheesy

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