@LoJ

Hello,

JFYI, am not the author.

Speer:

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Hello. Yeah I know the website Sphatik.

Thank you for your humility. Cheers.

Speer:

@Justcool,

My next inquiries are on the seven universes in Material Creation:

--Following the principle of "as above, so below"----------how are they related to the seven planes of Primordial Creation (i.e. if they are)?

The power that sustains the material creations are passed down from Primordial creation, where the ideal prototypes of all spirits are. Every human spirit in subsequent creation carries the potential of becoming a spiritual copy of one of these ideal prototypes who are Primordial spirits. The entire material creation can become a reflection of Primordial creation; but for this, the harmonious working of the spiritual and the substantiate is required. It is the failure of the spiritual (human spirits in material creation) that has so far prevented material creation from becoming a reflection of Paradise.

Each part of material creation carries the potential of becoming a copy or reflection of a part of Primordial creation. Through chains of radiation each part of the material creation is under the radiation of a particular Primordial being. Each planet is under the protection of a being, a substantiate being who in turn is under the radiation of another higher one, and it goes step by step, link by link all the way to Primordial creation. Consequently each part of the earth swings predominantly in a particular radiation, which can be traced up, through links of substantiate beings, to Primordial creation. For example, all the elementals that weave what we call nature in Africa are answerable to one who is in charge of the entire Africa, and who in turn is answerable to the one in charge of the entire earth. By the same token, the elementals that work in Europe are answerable to the one in charge of the entire Europe, who in turn is answerable to the one in charge of the entire earth. Hence each planet, each solar system, each galaxy and even each universe has a substantiate being in charge of it or under whose radiation it predominantly swings. Even the entire material sphere has a being in charge of it, who is then answerable to Mercury, the lord of all the forces of the elements. All the substantiate forces that work in the elements, for example swing predominantly in the radiation of Mercury, who is one of the first four Primordial spirits in creation, and who in turn swings partly in the radiation of the Eagle at the steps of the unsubstantiate Divinity.

Hence all the seas, all the lands, all the atmospheres, of a particular continent have respective types of elementals, conscious animistic(substantiate) beings that work in them. All arranged in hierarchical order reaching up to the hierarchal Mercury in Primordial creation.

The radiation of Africa is different from that of America, for example; this is evidenced in the products or fruits of the lands or continents. Fruits, Plants, animals, and people from Africa, look different from those from America, for example. Here we are talking about products that evolve from the region and not those that are taken from another region. You cannot say that this explanation is wrong because white Americans today look almost exactly like the Europeans. This is so, because today’s white Americans are descendants of Europeans who invaded America and formed their country in America; hence they are in reality fruits of Europe. The same is applicable to black Americans, who are products of Africa. Along with this confusion resulting from invasion, is also the another confusion resulting from mixing.

This does not mean that all fruits of a particular region are the same. Within each region, there is also a reflection of the entire spectrum of radiations; however each region is also a reflection of one radiation or swings predominantly in one radiation. Hence creation is an interplay of different radiations or colors that if kept pure could result in picture of indescribable beauty. Everything in creation is already a combination, interplay or a certain mixing of radiations; only above, in the Divine do we have beings that swing only in one radiation, hence the concept of purity is reserved to the Divine.

Just as with the substantiate, all that is spiritual swing, to a certain extent and through series of links of spirits, in the radiation or force field of the primordial spirit called Od-shi-mat-no-ke, who is the most ideal spirit in creation, and who in turn swings in the radiation of the Lamb at the Divine steps of the unsubstantiate Divinity. Every male human spirit in the world of matter can become a spiritual copy (although never a perfect copy) of the radiations of one of the first four Primordial Spirits: Od-shi-mat-no-ke , Leilak, the Lion, and Mercury. By the same token, each female spirit in the material sphere can become a living copy of one of the virtues embodied in the Primordial Queen. These virtues are anchored in creation through a series or links of beings who swing in her radiation. The Substantiate being (conscious Animistic being) who the ancients called Astate(Venus) is the lowest in the links of embodiments of the Primordial queen, the moon and the planet Venus are under her force field. But in the case of spirits, free will comes in! Each spirit developing himself decides on which radiation to predominantly swing in or embody. This he does through the choice of abilities he develops; for each spirit seed carries all abilities (radiations) lying dormant within it. But as the spirit develops, he gets to a point where he can consciously and feel the pull or the attraction of a particular radiation; he gets to a point where he can discern which radiation(quality) he is mostly inclined to, or a point where he can tell which radiation he predominantly swings in. The human spirit can also decide not to develop any of his qualities and in the long run he becomes a rejected or stagnant stone that must be crushed by the mechanism of creation which does not allow stagnancy.

As above so below! The entire creation swings in the radiation of Imanuel which manifests in a spectrum of seven major divisions/types/wavelengths. Just as white light is made up of seven colors, each sphere of creation can be divided into seven planes, each plane can be divided into seven parts, etc. Indeed the entire creation can be divided into seven major or basic spheres. Seven is a very important number in creation, it unlocks so many mysteries to those who know the Will of God in creation; for seven is the number whose force field correspond to the Will of God.

Speer:

--Are they all on the same, how to say it, "horizontal level"?

It depends on what you mean by “horizontal level”?

Is our entire earth on the same horizontal level? Is our entire solar system on the same horizontal level? Is our entire galaxy on the same horizontal level? Is our entire observable physical universe on the same horizontal level?

The faster a planet rotates, the closer it orbits the sun; the slower it rotates the further from the sun it will orbit. The same is applicable to the universes. Those that make spiritual movement, although still material, will move closer to the Light; while those that are sluggish, will descend further from the Light. I have answered this question already in this thread; I remember using numbers to explain it.

Each sphere can only manifest, take on form, at a particular distance from the light. Hence the entire world of matter can only take on form after a certain distance from the Life giving rays of Parsifal, i.e. after the Primordial spiritual, the spiritual, and animistic had already separated and taken on form. Yet within this particular distance where matter can exist lies a range! Matter cannot go above that range, neither can it go below it. Going below it the range is tantamount to through the funnel of disintegration which will disintegrate the world in question, for a new birth within the range; hence it is impossible for any material world, planet, and solar system, to exist below this range.

The seven universes are scattered within this range; those that are spiritually striving high are at the top part within the range; while those that are not are towards the bottom of the range. Spiritual activity brings movement, and movement brings buoyancy. By the same token, indolence of the spirit brings heaviness and rigidity, which in turn leads to distancing from the light.

I will give you examples:

Human beings only live in cities on the earth; human beings only have cities on the earth. Hence the earth’s atmosphere is the distance from the sun where humans can live. Yet within this earth. There are human cities, like those on the mountains, still on the surface of the earth, yet closer to the top of the atmosphere, therefore closer to the sun! There are cities inside valleys, and hence very far from the sun, yet they are still on the earth’s atmosphere! But whatever the case maybe, no city sexists outside or under the earth’s atmosphere. If one builds a city on top of the mountain, he will live healthily and happily because there will be plenty fresh are and sunlight to sustain him and his city. The reverse is also the case, where one builds a city under the earth, such a city is fated to death or destruction because it will lack sunlight and oxygen.

From this analogy, the earth’s atmosphere is the range of the distance from the light where matter can take on form or exist. The universes are scattered based on their behavior, across the range. Those striving towards the light will be at the top part of the range – they are the cities on the mountains. Those spiritually indolent will gravitate towards the bottom, until they hit the bottom of the range, where a further densification will drive them through the funnel of disintegration which will destroy and at the same time purify the material or basic constituents of their world so that then can be retained.

Imagine this statement: Fishes only live in the seas. Would you ask if the fishes are all on the same horizontal level? The sea itself, although being a level, has a range. There are fishes that swim at the top part of the sea; while others can only live at the bottom of the sea. Some species of fishes, due to thousands of years of being at the bottom have lost the ability to float to the top of the sea; hence they have their habitat towards the bottom of the sea. There are other species who have their habitat towards the top of the sea. Since everything in creation is in constant movement, even these will lower their habitat when then can’t maintain themselves at this level.
The material world is like the sea, while the habitats are like the planets (universes), and their fishes the human spirits on the planets.
The same can be said of the birds in the air. We have birds, like eagles that can deal with very high altitudes, and those that can deal with only medium altitudes. And finally we have those, like chickens who, over the course of evolution have lost the ability to fly due to lack of usage, and hence are bound to having their habitat at the bottom of the air. Despite their range of flight, they are all birds that operate in the air.

AL these are rough analogies though; but it gives you the idea. Just picture it to yourself; it’s very simple.

You can also imagine a plants and their orbits. Even though the planet is bound to its orbit, yet within that orbit there is a range. The earth is not always exactly at the same distance from the sun; sometimes it moves a bit closer, yet it is still within its orbital range.
Hence even though all matter is bound to orbit the Light (Parsifal) at a certain far distance, yet within this distance there is a range. The worlds closer to the light are more beautiful, light, and peaceful; even their gross material parts. Even in the coarsest gross material parts of such universes, beautiful, less ponderous, less rigid, lighter, and light filled. The inhabitants are bigger yet lighter, happier, healthier, more beautiful and live longer.

Speer:

--Is there any essential difference btw them?

Again, it depends on what you mean by the difference. The homogeneity is that they are all material and hence parts of the material sphere or subsequent creation.

Imagine an apartment complex with seven apartments inhabited by seven different families. If you go into each you will notice a different setting resulting from their choices. In one apartment you may find TV in the left corner of the living room, while in another one you may find it in the right corner. A third apartment may choose to put their TV in the bedroom. One may be neat while the next is squeaky clean. As always, with Spirits, choices come in! Especially when dealing undeveloped spirits; their choices may differ a lot.

Speer:

--In any of the Universes, is there more than one cosmic planet existing as a home for developing spirits?

Each one has at least one comic(coarsest gross material) planet for developing spirits. I wouldn’t say, “as a home” because even the earth is not our home. No spirit seed originated in any part of the world of matter. All spirit germs have their origin in the spiritual part of creation.

Speer:

--Given that all were addressed to in the Revelations of John, are they all facing the Judgement simultaneously?

No. They don’t face judgement simultaneously; they are each at a different stage of development.

Speer:

Have not been able to either intuitively or intellectually understand their existence and one reason for asking is this. Spirit germs are continually coming down from their "heimat" (Paradise homeland) to develop in Material Creation. Meanwhile, there is only a specific time period in the life-cycle of a selected Earth-like cosmic planet (located in a Universe) wherein it can accept completely fresh spirit germs. After this point is passed in the life-cycle of such a planet, where do the continually-arriving fresh spirit germs go?

---is it another "younger" selected Earth-like planet in the same Universe?

It is much simpler than you think. Imagine in all simplicity a watermill wheel like the one in the picture attached below.


If this waterwheel has only seven cups, it will make no difference. Water is continuously pouring into the cups as the wheel rotate. When one cup is full, it moves, giving room for the next. This is very simply. Theses seven parts of the world of matter or these seven universes are continuously spinning through the four cardinal points of birth, maturity, over-ripeness, and decay; just as the waterwheel in the video below is continuously spinning. Observe the waterwheel as they go through 306 degrees of rotation. The cups gets filled only when it is positioned at right under the water supplier! Let’s call this point 180 degrees, and this water is fated to be dumped by the time or before the cup gets to 360 degrees. Hence the each cup only makes half of its 360 degrees circulation with water on it, the remaining half(180 degrees) it makes empty. The same token, each material universe receives spirits when it is at the stage of maturity, and these spirits are fated to be thrown out by the time or before that universe reaches the stage of desolation. The spirits that have not being able to leave matter at this point are forcibly separated from matter; they are drawn into disintegration along with matter; and this disintegration separates them from matter. Hence each material universe, only goes half its cycle(from maturity to disintegration) with spirit germs in it. The rest, (Birth to maturity) it spines without any incarnation of spirit germs. Hence the earth has been in existence a long time before the first human spirits incarnated on it.

Just as each cup in the waterwheel gives way for the next as soon as it is filled with water, each material universe moves along on its revolution or journey as soon as it can no longer receive fresh spirit germs from paradise; it gives way for another one to enter the sport where fresh germs can incarnate into it. The process is perfectly coordinated and geared in such a way that as one is nearing the end of the period of its ability to receive spirit germs, another one is entering this period. As one is closing up, another one is opening up; this way there is no interruption or stagnation.

Speer:

Or if there is only one such cosmic planet in that Universe then perhaps the newly arriving germs go to a "younger" planet in another Universe. If so, then it would mean that the Universes themselves are not of the same age and at any point in time, each of the seven Universes are at different points of development in their material life-cycles.
However, given that the spirits/inhabitants in all the seven Universes or "churches" were addressed in the beginning of the Book of Revelations, one could assume that the reasoning in the last paragraph above is not correct.
Anyhow, that is the reasons for the questions initially listed above. In short, please want to know your perception and understanding about them.
No hurries, please respond only when or if you feel moved to do so and of course, at your own convenient earth-time.

Thanks and have a conscious week................

The fact that Revelation addressed all of them does not mean that they are the same age; neither does it mean that they will receive the message at the same time.

Imagine a man who has seven kids all in different levels of education. When the first one was nearing graduation, the man decided to send message to his kids or he calls them all together. To the one about to graduate, he may say, “study very had since your finals are in two months. If you fail, I will stop helping you.” To the second one, he may say, “start now that you are still in first year of university to study had. I notice you are weak on math, so pay special attention to it. Otherwise on your finals day you will fail”. To the third he may say, “I heard you make noise in class. Better start paying attention otherwise I will come to your school and slap you!” Etc

Hence a father can use an opportunity, such as the graduation of one of his kids to advice others and warn them about the future.

If you look into the messages sent to these universes you will that they are at different stages. The messages have praise, reproach, and advise, but are two that carried no reproaches or condemnations. These are the ones sent to Smyrna and Philadelphia. From this we can tell that these two universes are still in their golden ages, they have not done a lot of evil yet; hence they received only praises and advices. The earth (Ephesus) was once at this stage, before the fall of man.

Observe the attached video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWoxZzaiBU8#action=share

Thanks and remain blessed.

@Justcool, thanks for your explanations.

I deduced from the above explanations that the guilt of the death of the Son of God rests on the inhabitants of the Earth seeing as it occurred here, hence, the guilt must return here reciprocally.

The above explanations, in addition with the one concerning the manifestation of the Word of the Son of God in the Ethereal world have also given me an idea as to how the Word will manifest in the other universes.

Gratitude for your help sir.

Peace and blessings to you.

Where is the post of Justcool? It just disappeared?

LoJ:
Where is the post of Justcool? It just disappeared?

Let me know if the post has not yet appeared on your screen, so that i may copy an paste it in your mail box.

ezebrain:


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It's appeared. Thank you very much for you readiness to help.

@Justcool

Thank you. Am still digesting your response.

Hello @all,

"The faster a planet rotates, the closer it orbits the sun; the slower it rotates the further from the sun it will orbit. The same is applicable to the universes. Those that make spiritual movement, although still material, will move closer to the Light; while those that are sluggish, will descend further from the Light. I have answered this question already in this thread; I remember using numbers to explain it."

The post Justcool is referring to is on page 0 of this thread (somewhere in the first quarter section).


@Justcool,

Thank you again...............esp. for the egs and illustrations.
One could say that thanks to the shenanigans of the Ephesians (us), the Light has perforce come to this part of the gross material world thrice. The resulting highest-purity spiritual forms of the Truth that have as a result come into existence in the Primordial Spiritual sphere(s) are now available to "draw upon" by the spirit "citizenry" of the other material universes at lower stages of development (if they develop arightly). So the Ephesians are leaving behind some form of a positive legacy .


Inquiry into organ transplants:

Is this fundamentally[i][/i] against the Laws of Creation?

I think not b/c the knowledge for this has been granted to mankind but as with almost all things that were/are willed by the Light for humanity, the present final form of its earthly practice is not the perfect way it was supposed to be but only an imperfect or caricature form of what was intended------------this is my perception. All Grail Movement ppl I have talked to (two in number) are against this practice however.

Perhaps the level of homogeneity, physical and otherwise, required (between the ppl involved) for this to be done aright requires very deep levels of intuition to discern that is at present just not available to humankind or the Called/gifted ones with this ability are not around.
I do consider the act of donating organs to be a loving/ennobling one and hence the inquiry on whether this is fundamentally against the Laws of Creation?

As always, no hurries. Only answer if/when you feel moved to do so. Replies from anyone welcome.

Have an insightful week.

Tobakunn:
@Justcool, thanks for your explanations.

I deduced from the above explanations that the guilt of the death of the Son of God rests on the inhabitants of the Earth seeing as it occurred here, hence, the guilt must return here reciprocally.

The above explanations, in addition with the one concerning the manifestation of the Word of the Son of God in the Ethereal world have also given me an idea as to how the Word will manifest in the other universes.

Gratitude for your help sir.

Your deduction is quite correct. Thanks for your kind words, but gratitude should be directed to God, and not to me.

Tobakunn:
Peace and blessings to you.

This is most gracious of you. The reciprocal affect this will bring peace and blessings to you too.

Remain blessed.

Speer:

Hello @all,

"The faster a planet rotates, the closer it orbits the sun; the slower it rotates the further from the sun it will orbit. The same is applicable to the universes. Those that make spiritual movement, although still material, will move closer to the Light; while those that are sluggish, will descend further from the Light. I have answered this question already in this thread; I remember using numbers to explain it."

The post Justcool is referring to is on page 0 of this thread (somewhere in the first quarter section).

In order to avoid confusion; and to speak in the language of science. In the above, the ‘rotation’ I meant is not the planet’s rotation around its axis, but rather the planet’s rotation around the sun. This rotation around the sun is called revolution by scientist. Hence the faster a planet travels around the sun, the closer it orbits the sun. The slower it travels around the sun, the further from the sun it will orbit. This is has been observed and confirmed by science, as science has measured the orbital velocities of the planets. Here science is applicable because we are talking about something within its range of activity.

For those who understand the language of science, the concept of orbital velocities of planets and their distances to the sun is explained very well in the following website:
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm

This concept can be applied to the enter world of matter, as I have already explained.

Speer:

@Justcool,

Thank you again...............esp. for the egs and illustrations.
One could say that thanks to the shenanigans of the Ephesians (us), the Light has perforce come to this part of the gross material world thrice. The resulting highest-purity spiritual forms of the Truth that have as a result come into existence in the Primordial Spiritual sphere(s) are now available to "draw upon" by the spirit "citizenry" of the other material universes at lower stages of development (if they develop arightly). So the Ephesians are leaving behind some form of a positive legacy .

Yes other universes can draw from the Truth brought by the Light activity; however the good legacy, if considered correctly, was left by the Light and not us or our shenanigans. Rather than saying thanks to our shenanigans, I will say thanks to the Light for His ever watchful love.

Speer:

Inquiry into organ transplants:

Is this fundamentally[i][/i] against the Laws of Creation?

I think not b/c the knowledge for this has been granted to mankind but as with almost all things that were/are willed by the Light for humanity, the present final form of its earthly practice is not the perfect way it was supposed to be but only an imperfect or caricature form of what was intended------------this is my perception. All Grail Movement ppl I have talked to (two in number) are against this practice however.

Perhaps the level of homogeneity, physical and otherwise, required (between the ppl involved) for this to be done aright requires very deep levels of intuition to discern that is at present just not available to humankind or the Called/gifted ones with this ability are not around.
I do consider the act of donating organs to be a loving/ennobling one and hence the inquiry on whether this is fundamentally against the Laws of Creation?

As always, no hurries. Only answer if/when you feel moved to do so. Replies from anyone welcome.

Have an insightful week.

What is fundamentally wrong in the practice is the attitude and ignorance of both the practitioners, the organ donors and receivers. And by this ignorance, I mean Ignorance about the laws of creation, the process of death and the existence of the soul. One who cannot completely survey the process of death (separation of body from the soul) should not interfere with the process, because he will bring only harm and catastrophe to the person in the process.

Many people are ignorant of the process of death. Even some believers believe that dead people are sleeping(resting) and waiting for the resurrection day when Christ will come to judge all; hence the popular slogan: Rest in Peace. Some people do not know anything about the soul as being a distinct entity from the body, neither do they know anything about the process of this separating; hence they think that once they are clinically dead they become totally unaware of the goings-on around them. To them, it doesn’t matter what you do to the body, they believe that on the Day of Judgment Christ will miraculously make the body whole again and call all the dead to awaken for judgment; this is their understanding of the promise that All that is dead in Creation shall be awakened so that it may pass judgment on itself. The resultant is that neither the organ donor and the doctor, nor the recipient knows what the donor will go through during the process.

I have already earlier explained that the process of death is like the process of giving birth. Both process are actually very alike; this is why creation is simple and easy to understand, every observable physical process is actually a reflection of a certain process in the unobservable or beyond. Let’s liken the womb to be the physical body, then the placenta will be likened to the astral body, while the baby itself is the actual soul (spirit wearing the ethereal body as the outermost cloak). Now when the baby exists the womb, it comes out with the umbilical cord still attaching it to the placenta, which is still in the womb. Moments later the placenta also comes out; however, this separation of placenta from the womb cannot be forced, you can’t pull out the placenta while the baby is still attached it. Therefore, once the baby comes out, the first thing the doctor does is to cut the umbilical cord, freeing the baby from the placenta which at that point is still inside the womb. It is very important that the umbilical cord is cut, and the baby freed from the placenta before trying to get the placenta out of the womb too. Now this separation of placenta from the womb can take minutes when everything is working perfectly; however in some cases, it can take hours, even days! This is a very delicate period in the process as bleeding can occur and some women have died due to this delayed separation and bleeding that results from forced separation of the placenta from the womb. Sometimes doctors resort to massaging the woman’s stomach so that the placenta will separate and exit too. Then in about a month after successfully giving birth and shading the placenta, the walls of the womb cleans itself out by discharging the uterine lining during mensuration. This is the end of the process.

Now death is exactly the same. The man dies, the soul pulls the astral body(placenta) out of the physical body(womb); however, the soul is still very attached to the astral body through the nonphysical umbilical cord called silver cord. And the astral body(placenta) is not really yet fully separated from the physical body(womb); since immediately after death, the astral must remain in the vicinity of the physical body as they as still held together by radiations. Indeed they are like an object and its shadow. The astral body being the object, and the physical the shadow. Hence the soul at this point is like a baby newly born, but still connected to the placenta(astral body) that has not separated from the womb(physical body). And in this case there is no doctor around to cut this connection which must be difficult and unbearable to soul(baby). This is why we have rites performed by called ones during a person’s death or immediately after; the prayer or rites performed by a called one has the possibility of dissolving this connection, freeing the soul from the cumbersome attachment to the astral body. However, today men have lost the right manner of performing this act, and they have also lost its significance; it has degenerated to the concept of ‘Blessing of the dead’. But what’s the point of blessing a discarded physical body?? Today everything is directed to the physical, no attention is given to the soul struggling to free itself from the discarded body! But let’s not digress.

Returning to the issue at hand. Imagine a doctor who cannot see babies, a doctor blind to babies helping a woman through the process of labor. This doctor is actually totally ignorant of what is really going on, he can only see the womb of the woman; to him labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Hence as soon as the woman goes into labor, which will eventually end with discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration, he begins to harvest the uterine lining of the womb in order to transplant it to another person. Of course he has to start this harvesting early, before the uterine lining gets discharged (or organs to be transplanted starts to decay). Even though labor has started, indeed the water has broke, but the baby is still in the womb and still attached to the placenta inside the womb. Since the doctors knows nothing about the existence of the baby which he can neither see nor hear, he goes ahead and starts harvesting the uterine wall. What then will happen to the baby?? It will definitely be hurt in the process. By the same token, even though the process of death has started, indeed the person is already clinically dead, but the soul is still fully connected to the astral body which has still not yet separated from the physical body. Just as the placenta, in some cases, may take hours to separate from the womb, in some cases the astral body takes a long time to separate from the physical body. In such cases the departing ones experience prolonged death struggle, he feels all the pains of the dying body due to prolonged connection of the astral body to the dying physical body; hence depending on the tautness of this connection, the soul will still feel the pains of all the goings-on in the physical body. He will feel the pains of organ harvest just as a man will feel it when an organ is being cut off his body while he is fully alive and awake. The resultant is that such a soul will be so scarred and injured that it may take him a very long time to regain his composure, recover from the psychic shock and resume his journey.

I hope you understand the above analogy. The doctor blind to babies represents the doctors of today that are blind to the souls; they only perceive the physical. This doctor sees labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Just as many doctors today see death as just end of the life of the physical body, the discharging of the physical body; not knowing that death is actually the birth of the soul into the beyond. The womb represents the physical body while its parts, i.e. the uterine lining represent the organs or the body to be harvested. The placenta represents the astral body, while the baby itself represents the soul.

Hence if most organ donors know the pain they will go through, they will opt out of it. Also if the recipients know what the donor will go through, out of love they will not allow any dying person to donate. The same is applicable for doctors; if they know what the put dying donors through, they will not advice it, and neither will they practice it. If after knowing all these, one still chooses to donate an organ, out of love, then I cannot condemn him.

However if one is called for that purpose, one who can fully survey the entire process of death; and most importantly one who has the ability to correctly perform the right of passage from physical to beyond, i.e. one who can help in faster severance of the silver cord. Then such a one may be able to harvest an organ without much damage done to the departed.

Donating an organ, like a kidney or a lung, while alive is better than donating after the so called clinical death; since in the case of donating while alive, doctors can help in alleviating the pain through pain killers, anesthetic drugs, etc.

However again, this type of medicine will not lead mankind upwards, rather it will lead them downwards. Frist, we still do not know how to give; we still give out of sympathy or pity which is wrong and very different from the compassion which Christ embodied and spoke about. Compassion comes from the spirit, it places what benefits the spirit above all else; while sympathy emanating from the intellect and emotions of the physical body places gratification above all; it just wants to make the needy happy and free him from whatever that ails him. I will give an example, a man damages his kidney due to excessive drinking and taking recreational drugs, and becomes sick, requiring a kidney transplant. A sympathizer will offer this sick man a kidney, believing that he has helped the sick man. However what this sympathizer has done is wrong and brings neither him nor the sick man any real benefit. A man with compassion wills rather advice the sick man to change his bad drinking and drug taking habit. Only when he is sure that after receiving a new kidney, the sick man will not revert to his bad habit, will the compassionate one consider giving him a kidney. Otherwise he will gladly let the sick man die. This is love as only death will awaken the man’s spirit to change. You must not think that Jesus healed every sick person He saw on earth; neither did He bring every dead person He was back to life. He only healed those who such healing will help their spiritual accent; and He only raised the dead who in so doing will be helped spiritually.

Secondly, soon people will start killing others for their organs. Or people will start selling their organs just to make money. The rich will gladly ravel in their bad habits knowing they can afford to buy and replace any failing organ. The resultant is that man continues on his folly against nature and the law of creation which will give every individual a healthy life if adhered to.

Hence the right path to health is natural living and living in accord with the laws of God. If mankind follow this way, the need for organ transplant will not arise in the first place. Most of the ailments that torment mankind today stem from our rebellion against nature and the laws of creation. Nature heals! A true healer will never separate himself or his practice from nature.

Despite all, one individual cannot reverse the graves of wrong doing that the entire mankind has dug for thousands of centuries. Hence if an individual, out of love, decides to give one of his healthy organs to his friend, brother, or partner, I cannot say that he did wrong. Especially if the one needing it didn’t damage his own out of bad habit. As you already know, in every issue, the underlining spiritual motive carries the most weight.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:


In order to avoid confusion; and to speak in the language of science. In the above, the ‘rotation’ I meant is not the planet’s rotation around its axis, but rather the planet’s rotation around the sun. This rotation around the sun is called revolution by scientist. Hence the faster a planet travels around the sun, the closer it orbits the sun. The slower it travels around the sun, the further from the sun it will orbit. This is has been observed and confirmed by science, as science has measured the orbital velocities of the planets. Here science is applicable because we are talking about something within its range of activity.

For those who understand the language of science, the concept of orbital velocities of planets and their distances to the sun is explained very well in the following website:
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm

This concept can be applied to the enter world of matter, as I have already explained.



Yes other universes can draw from the Truth brought by the Light activity; however the good legacy, if considered correctly, was left by the Light and not us or our shenanigans. Rather than saying thanks to our shenanigans, I will say thanks to the Light for His ever watchful love.



What is fundamentally wrong in the practice is the attitude and ignorance of both the practitioners, the organ donors and receivers. And by this ignorance, I mean Ignorance about the laws of creation, the process of death and the existence of the soul. One who cannot completely survey the process of death (separation of body from the soul) should not interfere with the process, because he will bring only harm and catastrophe to the person in the process.

Many people are ignorant of the process of death. Even some believers believe that dead people are sleeping(resting) and waiting for the resurrection day when Christ will come to judge all; hence the popular slogan: Rest in Peace. Some people do not know anything about the soul as being a distinct entity from the body, neither do they know anything about the process of this separating; hence they think that once they are clinically dead they become totally unaware of the goings-on around them. To them, it doesn’t matter what you do to the body, they believe that on the Day of Judgment Christ will miraculously make the body whole again and call all the dead to awaken for judgment; this is their understanding of the promise that All that is dead in Creation shall be awakened so that it may pass judgment on itself. The resultant is that neither the organ donor and the doctor, nor the recipient knows what the donor will go through during the process.

I have already earlier explained that the process of death is like the process of giving birth. Both process are actually very alike; this is why creation is simple and easy to understand, every observable physical process is actually a reflection of a certain process in the unobservable or beyond. Let’s liken the womb to be the physical body, then the placenta will be likened to the astral body, while the baby itself is the actual soul (spirit wearing the ethereal body as the outermost cloak). Now when the baby exists the womb, it comes out with the umbilical cord still attaching it to the placenta, which is still in the womb. Moments later the placenta also comes out; however, this separation of placenta from the womb cannot be forced, you can’t pull out the placenta while the baby is still attached it. Therefore, once the baby comes out, the first thing the doctor does is to cut the umbilical cord, freeing the baby from the placenta which at that point is still inside the womb. It is very important that the umbilical cord is cut, and the baby freed from the placenta before trying to get the placenta out of the womb too. Now this separation of placenta from the womb can take minutes when everything is working perfectly; however in some cases, it can take hours, even days! This is a very delicate period in the process as bleeding can occur and some women have died due to this delayed separation and bleeding that results from forced separation of the placenta from the womb. Sometimes doctors resort to massaging the woman’s stomach so that the placenta will separate and exit too. Then in about a month after successfully giving birth and shading the placenta, the walls of the womb cleans itself out by discharging the uterine lining during mensuration. This is the end of the process.

Now death is exactly the same. The man dies, the soul pulls the astral body(placenta) out of the physical body(womb); however, the soul is still very attached to the astral body through the nonphysical umbilical cord called silver cord. And the astral body(placenta) is not really yet fully separated from the physical body(womb); since immediately after death, the astral must remain in the vicinity of the physical body as they as still held together by radiations. Indeed they are like an object and its shadow. The astral body being the object, and the physical the shadow. Hence the soul at this point is like a baby newly born, but still connected to the placenta(astral body) that has not separated from the womb(physical body). And in this case there is no doctor around to cut this connection which must be difficult and unbearable to soul(baby). This is why we have rites performed by called ones during a person’s death or immediately after; the prayer or rites performed by a called one has the possibility of dissolving this connection, freeing the soul from the cumbersome attachment to the astral body. However, today men have lost the right manner of performing this act, and they have also lost its significance; it has degenerated to the concept of ‘Blessing of the dead’. But what’s the point of blessing a discarded physical body?? Today everything is directed to the physical, no attention is given to the soul struggling to free itself from the discarded body! But let’s not digress.

Returning to the issue at hand. Imagine a doctor who cannot see babies, a doctor blind to babies helping a woman through the process of labor. This doctor is actually totally ignorant of what is really going on, he can only see the womb of the woman; to him labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Hence as soon as the woman goes into labor, which will eventually end with discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration, he begins to harvest the uterine lining of the womb in order to transplant it to another person. Of course he has to start this harvesting early, before the uterine lining gets discharged (or organs to be transplanted starts to decay). Even though labor has started, indeed the water has broke, but the baby is still in the placenta inside the womb. Since the doctors knows nothing about the existence of the baby which he can neither see nor hear, he goes ahead and starts harvesting the uterine wall. What then will happen to the baby?? It will definitely be hurt in the process. By the same token, even though the process of death has started, indeed the person is already clinically dead, but the soul is still fully connected to the astral body which has still not yet separated from the physical body. Just as the placenta, in some cases, may take hours to separate from the womb, in some cases the astral body takes a very long time to separate from the physical body. In such cases the departing ones experience prolonged death struggle, he feels all the pains of the dying body due to prolonged connection of the astral body to the dying physical body; hence depending on the tautness of this connection, the soul will still feel the pains of all the goings-on in the physical body. He will feel the pains of organ harvest just as a man will feel it when an organ is being cut off his body while he is fully alive and awake. The resultant is that such a soul will be so scarred and injured that it may take him a very long time to regain his composure, recover from the psychic shock and resume his journey.

I hope you understand the above analogy. The doctor blind to babies represents the doctors of today that are blind to the souls; they only perceive the physical. This doctor sees labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Just as many doctors today see death as just end of the life of the physical body, the discharging of the physical body; not knowing that death is actually the birth of the soul into the beyond. The womb represents the physical body while its parts, i.e. the uterine lining represent the organs or the body to be harvested. The placenta represents the astral body, while the baby itself represents the soul.

Hence if most organ donors know the pain they will go through, they will opt out of it. Also if the recipients know what the donor will go through, out of love they will not allow any dying person to donate. The same is applicable for doctors; if they know what the put dying donors through, they will not advice it, and neither will they practice it. If after knowing all these, one still choses to donate an organ, out of love, then I cannot condemn him.

However if one is called for that purpose, one who can fully survey the entire process of death; and most importantly one who has the ability to correctly perform the right of passage from physical to beyond, i.e. one who can help in faster severance of the silver cord. Then such a one may be able to harvest an organ without much damage done to the departed.

Donating an organ, like a kidney or a lung, while alive is better than donating after the so called clinical death; since in the case of donating while alive, doctors can help in alleviating the pain through pain killers, anesthetic drugs, etc.

However again, this type of medicine will not lead mankind upwards, rather it will lead them downwards. Frist, we still do not know how to give; we still give out of sympathy or pity which is wrong and very different from the compassion which Christ embodied and spoke about. Compassion comes from the spirit, it places what benefits the spirit above all else; while sympathy emanating from the intellect and emotions of the physical body places gratification above all; it just wants to make the needy happy and free him from whatever that ails him. I will give an example, a man damages his kidney due to excessive drinking and taking recreational drugs, and becomes sick, requiring a kidney transplant. A sympathizer will offer this sick man a kidney, believing that he has helped the sick man. However what this sympathizer has done is wrong and brings neither him nor the sick man any real benefit. A man with compassion wills rather advice the sick man to change his bad drinking and drug taking habit. Only when he is sure that after receiving a new kidney, the sick man will not revert to his bad habit, will the compassionate one consider giving him a kidney. Otherwise he will gladly let the sick man die. This is love as only death will awaken the man’s spirit to change. You must not think that Jesus healed every sick person He saw on earth; neither did He bring every dead person He was back to life. He only healed those who such healing will help their spiritual accent; and He only raised the dead who in so doing will be helped spiritually.

Secondly, soon people will start killing others for their organs. Or people will start selling their organs just to make money. The rich will gladly ravel in their bad habits knowing they can afford to buy and replace any failing organ. The resultant is that man continues on his folly against nature and the law of creation which will give every individual a healthy life if adhered to.

Hence the right path to health is natural living and living in accord with the laws of God. If mankind follow this way, the need for organ transplant will not arise in the first place. Most of the ailments that torment mankind today stem from our rebellion against nature and the laws of creation. Nature heals! A true healer will never separate himself or his practice from nature.

Despite all, one individual cannot reverse the graves of wrong doing that the entire mankind has dug for thousands of centuries. Hence if an individual, out of love, decides to give one of his healthy organs to his friend, brother, or partner, I cannot say that he did wrong. Especially if the one needing it didn’t damage his out of bad habit. As you already know, in every issue, the underlining spiritual motive carries the most weight.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@justcool, please can I share your explanations on my facebook wall?? I will glad to.

Marverick09:
@justcool, please can I share your explanations on my facebook wall?? I will glad to.

@ Marverick09

You are welcome to do so.

Marverick09:
@justcool, is one safe to say that the volition of Imanuel Who is enthroned in the Divine part of the Grail Castle gave birth to another Son of Man who was raised in the Primordial Spiritual plane also named Imanuel, while the the Volition of Parsifal also a personality in the first incarnation on earth. Can it be said they are four but yet ONE in their working

@Marverick
Thanks for your question. It is my perception that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the above, as long as the individual understand that it is one Imanuel that works in all of them. And also, what you described is two fold activity of Imanuel, not four. Parsifal is one activity of Imanuel, while the son of man that incarnated in creation is another activity of the same Imanuel. The volition of Parsifal is an extension of Parsifal and not a different ray or activity from Imanuel. That personality is rather an extension of Parsifal. Also, it was the volition of the son of man in Primordial spiritual Sphere that descend into the physical body of Parsifal on earth during the time of most sacred fulfilments on earth. This is the only way through which higher beings incarnate in a physical body, only through their volitions; since no physical body can carry such beings in their entirety. Even when a primordial spirit incarnates on earth, it is only his volition that takes on form and incarnates. This is an ability that that human spirits do not posses.

It is a reflection of the Trinity, where one God works in three ways. There is only one God. When the volition arouse in Him to let creation come into being; this volition of His, His creative will, or His holy spirit, took on form and created. Hence we have the biblical figurative description, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
Hence consequently God became twofold: (1)God the father, and (2)Imanuel(The Holy spirit).
When subsequent creation, the world of matter, specifically Ephesus, was in great danger of destruction; mankind in Ephesus have driven it beyond the point where prophets or Primordial spirits could help; God Himself had to intervene. Out of love a volition arouse in Him to save Ephesus. This volition took on form and incarnated in creation. This is Jesus.
Hence at this point God became threefold: (1) God the father, (2) God the Holy Spirit, Imanuel, and (3) God the son, Jesus.
However, God remained one! There is only one God. The sons can be likened to parts or activities. One God works two activities: (1) Creating and maintaining creation, and (2) Savior of sequent creation. Just as each activity you do requires a part of your body; you can use one hand to hold your plate of food and another to feed a child. Yet both hands are yours and it is only one you that is doing both activities. Each hand only embody or act a will(volition) of yours.

Since saving subsequent creation is a one time activity, after completion of this activity Jesus retuned to God the father. Although He remained personal, He is the inborn son(part) of God, the part that remains with God Himself.

Creation requires sustenance, it requires that Imanuel, the creative will of God stay outside of God and span a bridge between God, Divine substantiality and Creation; creation will be lost without this bridge. Hence a volition arouse in Imanuel to be anchored outside of God. This volition, part or vessel of Imanuel is Parsifal. The coming into being of Parsifal, who bears an unsubstantaite core from out of Imanuel, does not make God four fold; God remained a trinity. This is because Parsifal is just a part of the creative volition Imanuel. He is part of one of the three activities and not a new totally different activity. Hence after the volition or word of God, “Let there be Light” took on form as Imanuel; the volition, “Let the Light be anchored!” arouse from Imanuel and took on form; and this volition is Parsifal.
Hence at this point, Imanuel became two fold in His working: One remains within the Divine substantiate border, and the other, Parsifal beyond this border. Cosmic distances from the Light of Imanuel in Parsifal, creation came into being; starting from the Primordial spiritual part. Hence Parsifal is the pure gate that leads from Divine to creation; the first to come into being in creation, i.e. Primordial creation. Hence the Kingdom of Parsifal extended only up to the creation or the spiritual creation, excluding subsequent creation.

Afterwards subsequent creation developed or precipitated from creation, human spirit seeds that could not develop to full human spirits in creation sank into subsequent creation in their quest for consciousness. Having originated from the Kingdom of God, i.e. the spiritual planes or the Kingdom of Parsifal, the human spiritual will became the ruling force in subsequent creation. Everything simply had to submit to or adjust to the will of man; since this will is the only spiritual force in subsequent creation. Even the elementals who up till them had worked in matter unhindered now stood to a certain extent, based on the law of creation, under the will or influence of man. Hence with the fall of man, everything developed wrongly in subsequent creation. The resultant is the world as we have it today.
To make matters worse, before the fall of man, who Lucifer was sent to support the spirits seeds developing in subsequent creation failed. The means that he devised for this support was, although consistent in justice, was lacking in love. The Luciferian principle of temptation, is not really unjust, however it lacks love; because although it can encourage the strong to get stronger, it offers no support to the weak. This principle facilitated the fall of man, and hence Lucifer who sent to wait hand and foot on the slowly developing humans spirits became, analogically speaking, a wolf sent to guard sheep. Consequently Lucifer failed and lost his connection to Light activity. Mankind quickly chose the Luciferian will which has an affinity to the intellect, over the Will of God which they can only perceive or divine with their intuition, it is to a certain extent incomprehensible to the intellect.


Let’s digress a little here. Just look around you, you will easily recognize how the Luciferian principle of temptation and setting of snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect. This is how earthy law enforcement agencies work. Think about the police for example! If they want to capture drug buyers, they send undercover cops pretending to be drug sellers in order to entrap buyers! Here in Los Angeles, often undercover cops pretend to be pimps in order to catch prostitutes; an undercover police officer may offer a girl a huge sum of money for sex, only to arrest the girl when she accepts it. While the law outlawing prostitution and drug dealing is noble, the means that the police employ to catch offenders is wrong. This means (setting snares for offenders) is indeed a very effective method but it lacks love and thereby contrary to the will of God. Imagine a man struggling to free himself from the chains of drug addiction. On his way to work he is approached by an undercover officer who offers him drug at a cheap rate. This is temptation, an unfair violation of his addiction or weakness! If he fails and buys the drug, uniformed cops will immediately appear from their hiding places and arrest him and throw him in jail. Sometimes in order to infiltrate a gang of drug dealers, an undercover cop may resort to joining the gang, pretending to be a member until he wins their trust and they admit him into the fold. However to win this trust, he will have to play along with them; this may involve him selling drug to them, or for them, even doing drugs with them! Finally when he gains their trust and they admit him into their fold, he relays their secrets to the police. They get busted and go to jail, while he goes free or is even given an award for his courage.This appears just; these cops who employ these means even give themselves airs, thinking they are doing humanity a big favor. But before the laws of God, the man who offers another man drug is guilty! The undercover cop is as guilty as the gang members.
Sometimes female undercover cops have resorted to pretending to be prostitutes and offering men their bodies in exchange for money, once the man accepts the offer and pays her money, uniformed cops will emerge from their hiding places and arrest the man. People ague that this is not unfair because the girls don't let the men go all the way, they don't go as far as actually completing with the men. People praise them for helping to get pimps off the streets. However, before the laws of creation, these girls are as guilty as the men they entrap! Dressing like a prostitute and standing by the road side is already an unfair setting of snare to men who have such weakness. By dressing in such ways, these so called "hero cops" instigate lust in men! Many a man who otherwise do not think of such things, over time of seeing these "heroes" by the street side start to indulge or entertain such thoughts. And those who are struggling with immorality are not helped at all. Some who perhaps the other man may have succeeded in weaning themselves off their lustful addiction, after being bombarded everyday with this indecency, they finally give up or let go of themselves!
The healthy way to go would be to remove all temptations, not to using it to entrap weak people. The cops should arrest drug dealers, prostitutes, etc., but they(the cops) should never set traps for them or pretend to be them. The cops should never provide or offer people opportunity to indulge in their weakness so as to arrest them; rather they should remove all such opportunities. This is the love and support that the struggling ones need.

This idea of setting snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect, and hence to majority of mankind and almost in all countries it is acceptable. But the Divine principle of lovingly waiting for all the weak ones to mature, by removing all temptations from their way and supporting and encouraging them towards changing for the better, sounds too farfetched and impracticable to humanity who have limited themselves to only intellectual perception. And such help cannot be offered by the intellect or by a man who has limited himself to the intellect; its simply Impractical to him. Such help can only come from the spirit; as true love can only emanate from the spirit, never the intellect.


Returning to the matter at hand. It was expected that mankind as they mature will have an uplifting effect on matter, gradually making subsequent creation a reflection of the creation or primordial creation. And it was promised, that at the end of their period of development, at the end of the time allotted to them for development, when all of them should have been matured and ready for Paradise, Parsifal, from whose kingdom they left will visit to personally bring judgement. This period in the in the time allotted mankind for development, when that particular material universe is transitioning from maturity to over-ripeness, is called the cosmic turning point. Hence for this visit, Parsifal’s volition took on form and traveled across creation gathering experience and restoring other where disturbance sought to arise. Hence it was Parsifal who was on earth approximately 3000 thousand years ago, around the time that Moses was on earth too. His first visit to earth was to prepare Himself for His later visit during cosmic turning point.

However, the influence of Lucifer’s fall, also affected the spiritual creation or sphere, due to the fact that spirits seeds that descended into matter from it, no longer return back. Consequently a hemorrhaging resulted which like a bleeding wound on the physical body, weakened creation or the spiritual sphere. Hence it became necessary for this sphere to receive a closer connection to Divinity unsubstantiate, to perpetually mediate power to spiritual so that no weakening can occur again. Or in other words, it became necessary to build a new bridge between creation and Divine unsubstantiality. For this a volition arouse in Imanuel(the son of man) in the Divine substantiate sphere and incarnated into the Primordial spiritual sphere. This is the incarnation that Isaiah reported while on earth.

The incarnation of the son of man into creation and the visit of Parsifal through His volition do not make God four fold or five fold. It does not constitute a new activity of God the father, rather they are extensions or splitting originating from one activity: “Let there be Light.” In other words, they are activities resulting from the creative will of God; they Immanul, Parsifal, Son of man all result from one arm of God. Hence God remains a trinity. Hence one can say that in creation, the activity of Imanuel two fold (son of man and Parsifal), or even three fold if we consider the activity embodied in Maria, but above creation they all unite into one, Imanuel in the Divine part of the Grail castle. All these embodiments are a rays emanating from Him, through which he works different activities independently in creation. And even, there may be more in the future; remember that Imanuel also works through Maria above creation. And Maria also works in creation though a vessel.

Just as the different component colors of white light when united becomes white again. During the period of most sacred fulfillments on earth, all these embodiments or activities of Imanuel were united in one person. This unification had to proceed gradually otherwise the physically body will be able to bear it; hence, first it was Parsifal in His volition, then afterwards the son of man gradually also entered. Then out of this person glowed the white light of Imanuel. From this full radiation of Imanuel glowing out of this person on earth, Maria and Irmingard were able to make use of the two cloaks prepared for them on earth. When earthly mankind could not handle it any more, nor could they make use of the powers, under which they threatened annihilate each other, it became necessary that Imanuel should depart. Then the radiations of love(Maria) and prurity(Irmingard) that emanated from Him gradually withdrew back to Him; and finally the in intensification the physical body gave way. And this bowl of white light departed this earth.

One can say that each activity is an embodiment, that works separately, and yet they are all one. Or each activity is worked through an embodiment. Yet it only one, Imanuel, that work in all of them. Hence Parsifal is one with the son of man, just as Jesus is one with Imanuel.

This is my perception. Feel free to disregard them, if they don’t resonate within you.

Remain blessed.

@justcool
I always find your post very illuminating, please continue the good work. Tell me more about Lucifer, what plane did he really came from? Is it from the primordial realm or higher in the divine?

justcool:


@Marverick
Thanks for your question. It is my perception that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the above, as long as the individual understand that it is one Imanuel that works in all of them. And also, what you described is two fold activity of Imanuel, not four. Parsifal is one activity of Imanuel, while the son of man that incarnated in creation is another activity of the same Imanuel. The volition of Parsifal is an extension of Parsifal and not a different ray or activity from Imanuel. That personality is rather an extension of Parsifal. Also, it was the volition of the son of man in Primordial spiritual Sphere that descend into the physical body of Parsifal on earth during the time of most sacred fulfilments on earth. This is the only way through which higher beings incarnate in a physical body, only through their volitions; since no physical body can carry such beings in their entirety. Even when a primordial spirit incarnates on earth, it is only his volition that takes on form and incarnates. This is an ability that that human spirits do not posses.

It is a reflection of the Trinity, where one God works in three ways. There is only one God. When the volition arouse in Him to let creation come into being; this volition of His, His creative will, or His holy spirit, took on form and created. Hence we have the biblical figurative description, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
Hence consequently God became twofold: (1)God the father, and (2)Imanuel(The Holy spirit).
When subsequent creation, the world of matter, specifically Ephesus, was in great danger of destruction; mankind in Ephesus have driven it beyond the point where prophets or Primordial spirits could help; God Himself had to intervene. Out of love a volition arouse in Him to save Ephesus. This volition took on form and incarnated in creation. This is Jesus.
Hence at this point God became threefold: (1) God the father, (2) God the Holy Spirit, Imanuel, and (3) God the son, Jesus.
However, God remained one! There is only one God. The sons can be likened to parts or activities. One God works two activities: (1) Creating and maintaining creation, and (2) Savior of sequent creation. Just as each activity you do requires a part of your body; you can use one hand to hold your plate of food and another to feed a child. Yet both hands are yours and it is only one you that is doing both activities. Each hand only embody or act a will(volition) of yours.

Since saving subsequent creation is a one time activity, after completion of this activity Jesus retuned to God the father. Although He remained personal, He is the inborn son(part) of God, the part that remains with God Himself.

Creation required sustenance, it requires that Imanuel, the creative will of God stay outside of God and span a bridge between God, Divine substantiality and Creation; creation will be lost without this bridge. Hence a volition arouse in Imanuel to be anchored outside of God. This volition, part or vessel of Imanuel is Parsifal. The coming into being of Parsifal, who bears an unsubstantaite core from out of Imanuel, does not make God four fold; God remained a trinity. This is because Parsifal is just a part of the creative volition Imanuel. He is part of one of the three activities and not a new totally different activity. Hence after the volition or word of God, “Let there be Light” took on form as Imanuel; the volition, “Let the Light be anchored!” arouse from Imanuel and took on form; and this volition is Parsifal.
Hence at this point, Imanuel became two fold in His working: One remains within the Divine substantiate border, and the other, Parsifal beyond this border. Cosmic distances from the Light of Imanuel in Parsifal, creation came into being; starting from the Primordial spiritual part. Hence Parsifal is the pure gate that leads from Divine to creation; the first to come into being in creation, i.e. Primordial creation. Hence the Kingdom of Parsifal extended only up to the creation or the spiritual creation, excluding subsequent creation.

Afterwards subsequent creation developed or precipitated from creation, human spirit seeds that could not develop to full human spirits in creation sank into subsequent creation in their quest for consciousness. Having originated from the Kingdom of God, i.e. the spiritual planes or the Kingdom of Parsifal, the human spiritual will became the ruling force in subsequent creation. Everything simply had to submit to or adjust to the will of man; since this will is the only spiritual force in subsequent creation. Even the elementals who up till them had worked in matter unhindered now stood to a certain extent, based on the law of creation, under the will or influence of man. Hence with the fall of man, everything developed wrongly in subsequent creation. The resultant is the world as we have it today.
To make matters worse, before the fall of man, who Lucifer was sent to support the spirits seeds developing in subsequent creation failed. The means that he devised for this support was, although consistent in justice, was lacking in love. The Luciferian principle of temptation, is not really unjust, however it lacks love; because although it can encourage the strong to get stronger, it offers no support to the weak. This principle facilitated the fall of man, and hence Lucifer who sent to wait hand and foot on the slowly developing humans spirits became, analogically speaking, a wolf sent to guard sheep. Consequently Lucifer failed and lost his connection to Light activity. Mankind quickly chose the Luciferian will which has an affinity to the intellect, over the Will of God which they can only perceive or divine with their intuition, it is to a certain extent incomprehensible to the intellect.


Let’s digress a little here. Just look around you, you will easily recognize how the Luciferian principle of temptation and setting of snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect. This is how earthy law enforcement agencies work. Think about the police for example! If they want to capture drug buyers, they send undercover cops pretending to be drug sellers in order to entrap buyers! Here in Los Angeles, often undercover cops pretend to be pimps in order to catch prostitutes; an undercover police officer may offer a girl a huge sum of money for sex, only to arrest the girl when she accepts it. While the law outlawing prostitution and drug dealing is noble, the means that the police employ to catch offenders is wrong. This means (setting snares for offenders) is indeed a very effective method but it lacks love and thereby contrary to the will of God. Imagine a man struggling to free himself from the chains of drug addiction. On his way to work he is approached by an undercover officer who offers him drug at a cheap rate. This is temptation, an unfair violation of his addiction or weakness! If he fails and buys the drug, uniformed cops will immediately appear from their hiding places and arrest him and throw him in jail. Sometimes in order to infiltrate a gang of drug dealers, an undercover cop may resort to joining the gang, pretending to be a member until he wins their trust and they admit him into the fold. However to win this trust, he will have to play along with them; this may involve him selling drug to them, or for them, even doing drugs with them! Finally when he gains their trust and they admit him into their fold, he relays their secrets to the police. They get busted and go to jail, while he goes free or is even given an award for his courage.This appears just; these cops who employ these means even give themselves airs, thinking they are doing humanity a big favor. But before the laws of God, the man who offers another man drug is guilty! The undercover cop is as guilty as the gang members.
Sometimes female undercover cops have resorted to pretending to be prostitutes and offering men their bodies in exchange for money, once the man accepts the offer and pays her money, uniformed cops will emerge from their hiding places and arrest the man. People ague that this is not unfair because the girls don't let the men go all the way, they don't go as far as actually completing with the men. People praise them for helping to get pimps off the streets. However, before the laws of creation, these girls are as guilty as the men they entrap! Dressing like a prostitute and standing by the road side is already an unfair setting of snare to men who have such weakness. By dressing in such ways, these so called "hero cops" instigate lust in men! Many a man who otherwise do not think of such things, over time of seeing these "heroes" by the street side start to indulge or entertain such thoughts. And those who are struggling with immorality are not helped at all. Some who perhaps the other man may have succeeded in weaning themselves off their lustful addiction, after being bombarded everyday with this indecency, they finally give up or let go of themselves!
The healthy way to go would be to remove all temptations, not to using it to entrap weak people. The cops should arrest drug dealers, prostitutes, etc., but they(the cops) should never set traps for them or pretend to be them. The cops should never provide or offer people opportunity to indulge in their weakness so as to arrest them; rather they should remove all such opportunities. This is the love and support that the struggling ones need.

This idea of setting snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect, and hence to majority of mankind and almost in all countries it is acceptable. But the Divine principle of lovingly waiting for all the weak ones to mature, by removing all temptations from their way and supporting and encouraging them towards changing for the better, sounds too farfetched and impracticable to humanity who have limited themselves to only intellectual perception. And such help cannot be offered by the intellect or by a man who has limited himself to the intellect; its simply implacable to him. Such help can only come from the spirit; as true love can only emanate from the spirit, never the intellect.


Returning to the matter at hand. It was expected that mankind as they mature will have an uplifting effect on matter, gradually making subsequent creation a reflection of the creation or primordial creation. And it was promised, that at the end of their period of development, at the end of the time allotted to them for development, when all of them should have been matured and ready for Paradise, Parsifal, from whose kingdom they left will visit to personally bring judgement. This period in the in the time allotted mankind for development, when that particular material universe is transitioning from maturity or over-ripeness, is called the cosmic turning point. Hence for this visit, Parsifal’s volition took on form and traveled across creation gathering experience and restoring other where disturbance sought to arise. Hence it was Parsifal who was on earth approximately 3000 thousand years ago, around the time that Moses was on earth too. His first visit to earth was to prepare Himself for His later visit during cosmic turning point.

However, the influence of Lucifer’s fall, also affected the spiritual creation or sphere, due to the fact that spirits seeds that descended into matter from it, no longer return back. Consequently a hemorrhaging resulted which like a bleeding wound on the physical body, weakened creation or the spiritual sphere. Hence it became necessary for this sphere to receive a closer connection to Divinity unsubstantiate, to perpetually mediate power to spiritual so that no weakening can occur again. Or in other words, it became necessary to build a new bridge between creation and Divine unsubstantiality. For this a volition arouse in Imanuel(the son of man) in the Divine substantiate sphere and incarnated into the Primordial spiritual sphere. This is the incarnation that Isaiah reported while on earth.

The incarnation of the son of man into creation and the visit of Parsifal through His volition do not make God four fold or five fold. It does not constitute a new activity of God the father, rather they are extensions or splitting originating from one activity: “Let there be Light.” In other words, they are activities resulting from the creative will of God; they Immanul, Parsifal, Son of man all result from one arm of God. Hence God remains a trinity. Hence one can say that in creation, the activity of Imanuel two fold (son of man and Parsifal), or even three fold if we consider the activity embodied in Mariah, but above creation they all unite into one, Imanuel in the Divine part of the Grail castle. All these embodiments are a rays emanating from Him, through which he works different activities independently in creation. And even, there may be more in the future; remember that Imanuel also works through Maria above creation. And Maria also works in creation though a vessel.

Just as the different component colors of white light when united becomes white again. During the period of most sacred fulfillments on earth, all these embodiments or activities of Imanuel were united in one person. This unification had to proceed gradually otherwise the physically body will be able to bear it; hence, first it was Parsifal in His volition, then afterwards the son of man gradually also entered. Then out of this person glowed the white light of Imanuel. From this full radiation of Imanuel glowing out of this person on earth, Maria and Irmingard were able to make use of the two cloaks prepared for them on earth. When earthly mankind could not handle it any more, nor could they make use of the powers, under which they threatened annihilate each other, it became necessary that Imanuel should depart. Then the radiations of love(Maria) and prurity(Irmingard) that emanated from Him gradually withdrew back to Him; and finally the in intensification the physical body gave way. And this bowl of white light departed this earth.

One can say that each activity is an embodiment, that works separately, and yet they are all one. Or each activity is worked through an embodiment. Yet it only one, Imanuel, that work in all of them. Hence Parsifal is one with the son of man, just as Jesus is one with Imanuel.

This is my perception. Feel free to disregard them, if they don’t resonate within you.

Remain blessed.

@justcool, now it is very clear. This explanation is very refreshing. . . . There's one topic I am still a bit confused: Lucifer. As we know, Parsifal is the Pure Gate through which all radiations from the divine come into creation. So how did Lucifer's fall take place, in what form since he did not descend into creation in person but only his radiation or volition could take on form. Does that now mean that he is still in divine? Or how........? Who is then in deepest depths of material creation?

Thank you Justcool as ever.

My next inquiry regards to the working of those elemental beings (inc. the "giants" who work very closely with mankind on the gross material earth. They are mentioned in the chapter on Atlantis in one the Past Eras/Milllenia books.
Also from the chapter Germs Originating from Animistic Substance in Vol. III we have:

"Now let us at last talk of animistic-germs, which we had taken as our subject. Those that are most closely related to the spirit-germs of earthmen as regards their development are the small flower-elves of the earth.

As you regard it, these awaken in the cups of earthly flowers, but not in the way you imagine it! It is true that they are in the flower-buds which form their coarsest protective cloak until they awaken, but there is something else in addition.

In reality they lie softly embedded in a layer of fine, delicate gross matter, not visible to you in the earthly sense. But at the same time they also lie in a flower-bud of the earth. The delicate layer of gross matter not only penetrates the bud but also the entire earth and its surroundings, something which is invisible to you."

What I cannot fathom is how the 'giants" and others in the past who operate in fine gross matter were/are able to help with gross material constructions or objects on earth. How did they help the Atlanteans build huge constructions
on earth? Or how do the objects created by them in fine gross matter (say building blocks) become, well, coarse gross matter that is visible to our eyes?

That the earth was physically orbiting in "higher or less dense" orbits during those times probably has something to do with it-----was the fine gross material plane where these elemental beings operate, how to say it, somewhat "closer" to the earth? From my understanding, we are still surrounded by fine gross matter (although way more darker than then).

Thanks as always. As in the Grail Castle, you are the chalice of knowledge of this thread without which it would dry up!!!

Cheers,

@marverick009,

Hello,

Pls had a quick inquiry-----------the R. von Sass book on the pyramid, does it have illustrations/artwork in it, perhaps black & white drawings?

Thank you.

Marverick09:
@justcool, now it is very clear. This explanation is very refreshing. . . . There's one topic I am still a bit confused: Lucifer. As we know, Parsifal is the Pure Gate through which all radiations from the divine come into creation. So how did Lucifer's fall take place, in what form since he did not descend into creation in person but only his radiation or volition could take on form. Does that now mean that he is still in divine? Or how........? Who is then in deepest depths of material creation?

@Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

With his failure, Lucifer lost all connection or foothold in the Divine substantial sphere and he sank below creation. Like all that was sent to work in the world of matter, it was his volition that took on form and worked in the various worlds of matter; while he, himself, remained outside the worlds of matter. It was while working in matter that this volition(radiation or embodiment) of his devised means that are contrary to the will of God. And of course the resultant is that this volition(embodiment) changed in vibration. This alien vibration reciprocally reaches up to the source(Lucifer outside creation), causing him to sink.

When he failed, he fell below the world of matter, indeed below the entire creation. Having originated above creation made it possible for him to fall below creation. Hence he is at a place where no creature that originated in creation can descend. All that originated in creation are bound to creation, and can never leave creation. No creature originating in creation can cross the boundary and enter the Divine realm; neither can such a creature descend beyond the lowest point of creation and enter into depth where Lucifer is. Hence when shown to the blessed one, Is-ma-el(John the Baptist), who was allowed to see and report happenings in creation, this depth appears as a bottomless pit; hence, in the Revelation of John, we have the very apt description of Lucifer being in a bottomless pit.

When a man fails he falls into the darker and lower planes of the beyond. But these very low planes of the beyond, which do not have to exist, are still a part of creation; they are still within creation. No man, no matter how evil can fall below the lowest border of creation into the depth where Lucifer is. This is part of the reason why the task of binding Lucifer was reserved to Parsifal whose core, coming from Imanuel, originated far above creation; and hence based on the lawfulness He carried the ability to descend far below creation. The higher a being can rise, the lower it can fall too. Hence, based on this simple lawfulness, if Jesus or the son of man had failed, they would have fallen deeper or lower than Lucifer; this is because they originated higher above Lucifer.

Even after the fall of Lucifer, his volitions (embodiments of his volition) remained in subsequent creation causing havoc. However, Lucifer’s volition has never incarnated physically into the earth. Earthly mankind could pick up radiations (suggestions) from Lucifer (through his volition that sometimes that he projects in to the astral planes) without needing to see him physically or in body of flesh and blood.

The question that people often ask is “where is this place that Lucifer fell into? Is there such a place as outside creation that is not Divine substantiate sphere?” This question was also asked earlier in this thread but I didn’t perceive the need to go into details then; hence, I answered it without giving a detailed explanation. But now I will. And the answer is as follows.

Existence is not limited to God, the Devine substantiate sphere, and creation. If we need to form a right conception of it we must not limit God within the confines of existence. There is only God and His radiation. What we call existence is only the radiation of God! Hence there is God and existence; just as God’s radiation is dependent on Him and not vice versa, existence is dependent on God, but God is not dependent on existence.

Before creation came into being, existence only comprised of the Divine substantiate sphere and the void beyond its border. The Divine substantiate sphere, being the immediate radiation of God, comprises many planes starting from the first plane where we find the four winged animals, to the last plane where we find the elders in the Grails castle at the border. At this border or furthest point stands the Grail castle which houses the actual Grail, a vessel where the radiations are gathered and in becoming stronger due to unification, these radiations can then flow back. Hence one can say that at this furthest point the radiations are held back from penetrating further. Beyond this bother lies void or nothingness. People have often wondered what this void is.

This void is also a part of the radiation of God. What was held back at the Grail castle at the border of the Devine is the creative ability in the radiations, or the creative radiations. Hence beyond this border of the Devine sphere, radiations of God continued to endless distances, but beyond the border of the Devine substantiate sphere there was not possibility of creatures emerging or forms emerging, condensing or precipitating from the radiation because the radiations beyond this Divine substantiate borders lacks the creative ability which was held back at the Grail castle. Hence the radiation beyond this border is called void, formless, or nothingness.

Hence for creation to come into being, a part of Imanuel, Who is the creative Will of God, had to descend to this Grail castle at the border of the Divine, and from there he radiated outside into the void, allowing creation to come into being outside the border of the Divine substantiate sphere. As creation is limited, it cannot fill the entire void outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence beyond the borders of creation, going downwards lies this void.

It was inside this void that Lucifer fell when he was cast of the Divine, or when he cut himself of the Divine. I have already explained that no human being can fall into this void, because such will entail going beyond the border of creation. No creature can go beyond the border of creation, neither in upwards direction into the Divine substantiate nor in the downwards direction into the void that existed before creation came into being. The dark planes into which evil men fall lies within creation, it is part of the non-physical planes. These planes are actually astral planes. Just as the atmosphere surrounds the earth, both in upwards and downwards directions; the astral planes surround the physical also both in upwards and downwards direction. Hence there are parts of the astral planes that are above the physical and hence lighter , more beautiful and more mobile than the physical; there are also parts of the astral plane that is below the physical, further from the Light than the earth is, and hence it is dark, ugly, and more rigid. Hell is one of such planes.

Just as God has unavoidable radiation, indeed all that is living has a certain degree of radiation that is unavoidable. Lucifer also has an unavoidable radiation which forms the plane where he is within the void that is below creation. From this plane or kingdom of his, he projects himself, his volitions, or embodiments of his principles into subsequent creation. Through his volitions, he can only tempt, lure, or whisper to mankind; but based on the law of creation he cannot force anybody to do anything, he cannot overrule man’s gift of free-will. Hence those that fall victim to his suggestion are fully guilty before the laws of God. And also, man stands more firmly rooted in material creation than Lucifer does, like I explained, he stands outside creation.

Parsifal has destroyed all his volitions. The ones that remain today in the dark planes of creation are the ones that victims of his principle created. Those humans that Lucifer lured into becoming evil, their works(Evil thoughts, words, and intentions) also take on evil forms in the dark planes of the beyond. These evil works embody the principle of Lucifer, and having been created by mankind, they have to be eradicated by mankind themselves. Only one above creation can descend below it into the plane of Lucifer and bind. Parsifal has done this already. He (Parsifal) has also given mankind the knowledge of how to live in order to rid themselves and their environment of the influences of Lucifer. Hence gradually creation is bound to recover from the injury Lucifer inflicted on it.

Hence Lucifer is neither in the Divine substantiate sphere, where he originated, nor in the deepest depth of material creation. Lucifer is outside the worlds of matter; even though through mankind his principles flourish here in the worlds of matter, especially in the dark planes of the world of matter. The Grail message made it very clear that Lucifer is outside the world of matter.

Your question is very deep, and I have cloaked the answer in words that can be easily understood, yet remaining in accord with the Truth. Read the lectures, ‘Mystery of Lucifer’ and ‘World Events’ in the Grail message. To fully understand the coming into being of creation, read, ‘Let There be Light’ in Resonances to the Grail Message.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Greetings @ all,

@Justcool, could you please provide clarity on the concept of 'Vanity'? The meaning of the word is something I'm well aware of but the word itself embodies, or rather, expresses a concept which I have not been able to grasp completely. I will be really grateful for any help you can proffer.

Thank you for your consistent assistance.

Wishing you all that is pure and true.

Dear all, especially adherents of the grail mesage.
My question bothers on the affirmation that the grail message draws directly from the truth, since this is so why does it still get handicapped by transmission errors, for example from the lecture "The Lord's Prayer" In Vol. 2 of The
Grail Message
“And lead us not into temptation!”
Man has a wrong conception when he tries to interpret these words as if God would tempt him. God tempts no one! In this case, owing to a doubtful transmission, the unfortunate choice of the word “temptation” was made. The right meaning would include such concepts as erring, going astray and thus going wrong, and seeking the Light on the wrong path.
It means: “Let us not take the wrong road, nor seek in the wrong direction! Let us not lose, waste nor fritter away time in such seeking! But if necessary restrain us forcibly from doing so, even if we need to be stricken with sorrow and pain!”
My understanding originally was that there was a Truthful source where everything was correctly recorded, this excerpt only shows that the writer is taking from bible transmission in this case.
Thanks and stay blessed.

bynah:
Hello all,
It gives me great joy to be actually posting on this thread. I came across the Grail Message about 3 years ago, and I have read it severally, including the 1931 version. I discovered this thread about two years ago and have been of and on and a guest till now.
My knowledge of the Message has been greatly enriched by the inputs of justcool and m_nwankwo and some others, I give all the praise to God for leading me here.
I do read sequentially everytime and need clarification on the issue of Christmas Dec 25th being the birth of Christ, I'm not at the lecture so I may not be able to pick out paragraphs now but it's bothering me seriously. I also don't understand why Easter too should be celebrated since historically they are of pagan origins.
I don't know much but I'm beginning to understand some things, this issue is the one most paramount to me for the time being.
Thanks and remain blessed.

@bynah
Thanks for your question. I’m sorry I didn’t notice the above questions till today.

The Grail message never said that Jesus was born 25th of December. However, there is nothing wrong in setting out a day to celebrate the birth of the savior, even if the day of celebration is not the exact day of the savior’s birth. Therefore, some churches that celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th are not doing it because they think He was actually born on that day. It is a day that has been marked out for the celebration. December 25th is the day of celebration of the winter solstice; a celebration that was very important for the ancient Europeans, hence the early Christian church in their quest to win converts, incorporated it into Christianity, and Christianized it to be the celebration of the birth of Jesus. The Grail message never said that adherents must celebrate the birth of Jesus on 25th December; if some do, they do it out or personal choice. Christ was born around the winter solstice, based on the laws of creation there is a significance to this day; however the exact day of His birth is not 25th.

While ancient Easter celebration has paganisitic or heathen origin, the resurrection of Jesus happened to fall on the day the ancients celebrated Easter. The early Christians, especially the early Roman Christian church allowed Northern European converts to continue with the celebration that has been so deeply engraved into the fabric of Northern European life; the church perhaps feared she(the church) will lose their Northern European converts of they were deprived celebrations that they were so used to. Hence the celebrations were allowed to continue; but rather than paying homage to Ēostre (an ancient goddess), Christians were advised to pay homage to Christ. Hence early European tribes kept their pagan traditions, the church wanted to use these celebrations and traditions as bridge that will gradually lead the pagan converts from paganism to Christianity. Therefore they were told to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus on Easter day, rather than the resurrection of nature(spring with her accompanying fertility) which the ancients attributed to the goddess Eostre, who was also the goddess of fertility.

This way certain pagan practices, like decoration or painting of eggs (which symbolizes adoration to fertility), egg hunting, Ash Wednesday, abstaining from meat eating during lent, etc, were carried over into Christianity and mixed with the resurrection of Jesus.

There is nothing wrong in celebrating nature(spring with her abundant fertility). But by now mankind should have matured spiritually enough, to give thanks to the Almighty God for His gift of spring. Some of the goddesses that the ancients worshiped or thanked during this period are actually elementals or links in the embodiments of radiations that ultimately started from the Kingdom of God. Hence for all that we find in nature, for every season with their respective gifts, we should bow before the Almighty God and thank Him in humility for his graciousness.

Indeed some of the ancient celebrations are quite good, especially when they celebrate nature which is the work of the Creator. What should have changed by now is the attitude, or the intuitive perceptions that the ancients attached to the things or natural phenomena that they celebrated.

For example, some ancients on perceiving the importance of the sun and its rays for life on earth, adored the sun. Overtime, they matured to the extent that the clairvoyants among them can see the elemental beings that work in the radiations of the sun; some went as far as seeing the Apollo, the being in charge of the sun; and they adored him. However if they keep going onwards with their development, overtime they will see beyond Apollo and ultimately they will reach a stage where they realize that all, including the sun, belongs the One and only true God, the Almighty God, the only One worthy of worship. But most ancients didn’t go onwards in their spiritual development, overtime they became stagnant, and once stagnant, retrogression followed. Hence adoration of the sun or Apollo degenerated to worship of the sun or Apollo. And this is wrong for only God should be worshiped.

The modern man today, who should have matured spiritually, should know that there is nothing wrong in adoring the sun. Indeed it is duty to recognize the value of the sun which is a great gift from God, and which we must never seek to destroy. However, our gratitude and worship should be directed only to God Almighty, who in His indescribable love gave us the sun for our benefit on earth.

Even some ancient Africans that adored and worshipped the earth; they have a day set out for the worship and celebration of the earth. For example, the ancient Igbos adored Ani(the earth goddess). Such celebrations need not be done away with. What we should have stopped in regards to the celebration is the worship of the Earth or the goddess of the earth. The earth should still be adored, we can set out a day to thank the Almighty for the gift of the earth, and on that day we should renew our vow never to see the earth fall into the realm of darkness. Never to stain it with evil deeds. Hence some of these ancient traditions should have been kept; it is our attitude that should have evolved. The tradition itself is not inherently evil. But unfortunately, we became stagnant and consequently retrogression followed. Then came the white missionaries who forcibly destroyed and forbade these traditions; they took away our traditions and handed us theirs. Celebration of the earth is as good as celebration of Eostre (the celebration of spring). The ancient Europeans celebrated Spring and the each of the four seasons because nature in Europe gives them four seasons, (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter). In tropical Africa where we have three seasons(Rainy, Dry, and Harmattan), and consequently you don’t find celebration of spring rather you find among several African tribes, the celebrating and worship of the rain; the first rain of the year of often received with adoration, praises and even celebration and worship of the god of rain or sky. There is nothing inherently wrong in this adoration and celebration, only the worship of god is wrong. Hence by now Africans should still adore rainfall, be grateful for it; and set out a day to thank the Almighty for it.

However, it was very unfair for the missionaries to tell our forefathers to drop their celebrations of the nature around them and pick up celebrations like Eostre which stems from Europeans celebration of their environment.

Also there is nothing wrong in remembering the resurrection of Christ during the period of Easter; but one must be fully aware that Christ did not resurrect physically; for such will be contrary to the laws of creation which testify of the perfection of the creator and which incorruptible and unchangeable. Bringing the celebration of resurrection of Christ to Africans is not wrong, because Jesus is their Lord too. However other things like the painting or hunting of eggs, abstaining from meat during lent and etc, are all European cultures which brings the African no benefit. Rather it takes his view off his own environment and culture. People should be able to disassociate these practices, abstaining from meat eating during lent, Ash Wednesday, etc from Jesus. As these are European cultural practices that in reality have nothing to do with Jesus.

In Abdruschin’s lecture, “Let Easter arise within you, man!” It is my perception that by using the word, ‘Easter,’ Abdruschin meant resurrection. Hence “Let Easter arise within you, man!” means let the spirit within you awaken or let there be an awakening within you. Just as nature resurrects in Easter(Spring), the spirit of man should resurrect or awaken spiritually before he can pass judgment and be worthy to experience the millennium or Kingdom of God. It is like Christ, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the ....” It has nothing to do with paganisistic worship of Eoster) or physical resurrection of Christ.

Also, you have to understand that so many things and even names that we accepted from Erupeans have paganisinc origins. Think of the names of the days, for example. Sunday refers to day for the worship of the sun. Thursday refers to the Thor, the god of thunder. Saturday refers to the god Saturn, etc. Even months of the year: August is the month of Augustus Caser, a roman emperor. July is the month of Julius Caesar. And of these roman emperors were known as Ponifex Maximus, living gods. Even the pagan term Pontifex was adopted into Christianity; even the pope today still goes by the title of Pontifex. The fact that a thing has paganistic origin does not make that thing inherently wrong; it is that attitude with which we approach those things that make it right or wrong. Here, names are just for identification, be they names of days, months, etc. You wont burden yourself with guilt for calling a day Thursday, Saturday. etc. as long as you don't really worship these gods.

With this knowledge, right attitude, and spiritual maturity, one can celebrate Easter(resurrection of nature) righteously or in a manner that is pleasing to God. Just as one can choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th; and there is nothing wrong with this, provided such a one is doing it with the right attitude. Actually we, as servants of God should strive to celebrate the birth of Jesus every minute of our lives and with each breath we take! With each breath we should vow to God to live exactly as Christ taught us; such is the correct way of celebrating the gift of His birth.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:


@Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

With his failure, Lucifer lost all connection or foothold in the Divine substantial sphere and he sank below creation. Like all that was sent to work in the world of matter, it was his volition that took on form and worked in the various worlds of matter; while he, himself, remained outside the worlds of matter. It was while working in matter that this volition(radiation or embodiment) of his devised means that are contrary to the will of God. And of course the resultant is that this volition(embodiment) changed in vibration. This alien vibration reciprocally reaches up to the source(Lucifer outside creation), causing him to sink.

When he failed, he fell below the world of matter, indeed below the entire creation. Having originated above creation made it possible for him to fall below creation. Hence he is at a place where no creature that originated in creation can descend. All that originated in creation are bound to creation, and can never leave creation. No creature originating in creation can cross the boundary and enter the Divine realm; neither can such a creature descend beyond the lowest point of creation and enter into depth where Lucifer is. Hence when shown to the blessed one, Is-ma-el(John the Baptist), who was allowed to see and report happenings in creation, this depth appears as a bottomless pit; hence, in the Revelation of John, we have the very apt description of Lucifer being in a bottomless pit.

When a man fails he falls into the darker and lower planes of the beyond. But these very low planes of the beyond, which do not have to exist, are still a part of creation; they are still within creation. No man, no matter how evil can fall below the lowest border of creation into the depth where Lucifer is. This is part of the reason why the task of binding Lucifer was reserved to Parsifal whose core, coming from Imanuel, originated far above creation; and hence based on the lawfulness He carried the ability to descend far below creation. The higher a being can rise, the lower it can fall too. Hence, based on this simple lawfulness, if Jesus or the son of man had failed, they would have fallen deeper or lower than Lucifer; this is because they originated higher above Lucifer.

Even after the fall of Lucifer, his volitions (embodiments of his volition) remained in subsequent creation causing havoc. However, Lucifer’s volition has never incarnated physically into the earth. Earthly mankind could pick up radiations (suggestions) from Lucifer (through his volition that sometimes that he projects in to the astral planes) without needing to see him physically or in body of flesh and blood.

The question that people often ask is “where is this place that Lucifer fell into? Is there such a place as outside creation that is not Divine substantiate sphere?” This question was also asked earlier in this thread but I didn’t perceive the need to go into details then; hence, I answered it without giving a detailed explanation. But now I will. And the answer is as follows.

Existence is not limited to God, the Devine substantiate sphere, and creation. If we need to form a right conception of it we must not limit God within the confines of existence. There is only God and His radiation. What we call existence is only the radiation of God! Hence there is God and existence; just as God’s radiation is dependent on Him and not vice versa, existence is dependent on God, but God is not dependent on existence.

Before creation came into being, existence only comprised of the Divine substantiate sphere and the void beyond its border. The Divine substantiate sphere, being the immediate radiation of God, comprises many planes starting from the first plane where we find the four winged animals, to the last plane where we find the elders in the Grails castle at the border. At this border or furthest point stands the Grail castle which houses the actual Grail, a vessel where the radiations are gathered and in becoming stronger due to unification, these radiations can then flow back. Hence one can say that at this furthest point the radiations are held back from penetrating further. Beyond this bother lies void or nothingness. People have often wondered what this void is.

This void is also a part of the radiation of God. What was held back at the Grail castle at the border of the Devine is the creative ability in the radiations, or the creative radiations. Hence beyond this border of the Devine sphere, radiations of God continued to endless distances, but beyond the border of the Devine substantiate sphere there was not possibility of creatures emerging or forms emerging, condensing or precipitating from the radiation because the radiations beyond this Divine substantiate borders lacks the creative ability which was held back at the Grail castle. Hence the radiation beyond this border is called void, formless, or nothingness.

Hence for creation to come into being, a part of Imanuel, Who is the creative Will of God, had to descend to this Grail castle at the border of the Divine, and from there he radiated outside into the void, allowing creation to come into being outside the border of the Divine substantiate sphere. As creation is limited, it cannot fill the entire void outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence beyond the borders of creation, going downwards lies this void.

It was inside this void that Lucifer fell when he was cast of the Divine, or when he cut himself of the Divine. I have already explained that no human being can fall into this void, because such will entail going beyond the border of creation. No creature can go beyond the border of creation, neither in upwards direction into the Divine substantiate nor in the downwards direction into the void that existed before creation came into being. The dark planes into which evil men fall lies within creation, it is part of the non-physical planes. These planes are actually astral planes. Just as the atmosphere surrounds the earth, both in upwards and downwards directions; the astral planes surround the physical also both in upwards and downwards direction. Hence there are parts of the astral planes that are above the physical and hence lighter , more beautiful and more mobile than the physical; there are also parts of the astral plane that is below the physical, further from the Light than the earth is, and hence it is dark, ugly, and more rigid. Hell is one of such planes.

Just as God has unavoidable radiation, indeed all that is living has a certain degree of radiation that is unavoidable. Lucifer also has an unavoidable radiation which forms the plane where he is within the void that is below creation. From this plane or kingdom of his, he projects himself, his volitions, or embodiments of his principles into subsequent creation. Through his volitions, he can only tempt, lure, or whisper to mankind; but based on the law of creation he cannot force anybody to do anything, he cannot overrule man’s gift of free-will. Hence those that fall victim to his suggestion are fully guilty before the laws of God. And also, man stands more firmly rooted in material creation than Lucifer does, like I explained, he stands outside creation.

Parsifal has destroyed all his volitions. The ones that remain today in the dark planes of creation are the ones that victims of his principle created. Those humans that Lucifer lured into becoming evil, their works(Evil thoughts, words, and intentions) also take on evil forms in the dark planes of the beyond. These evil works embody the principle of Lucifer, and having been created by mankind, they have to be eradicated by mankind themselves. Only one above creation can descend below it into the plane of Lucifer and bind. Parsifal has done this already. He (Parsifal) has also given mankind the knowledge of how to live in order to rid themselves and their environment of the influences of Lucifer. Hence gradually creation is bound to recover from the injury Lucifer inflicted on it.

Hence Lucifer is neither in the Divine substantiate sphere, where he originated, nor in the deepest depth of material creation. Lucifer is outside the worlds of matter; even though through mankind his principles flourish here in the worlds of matter, especially in the dark planes of the world of matter. The Grail message made it very clear that Lucifer is outside the world of matter.

Your question is very deep, and I have cloaked the answer in words that can be easily understood, yet remaining in accord with the Truth. Read the lectures, ‘Mystery of Lucifer’ and ‘World Events’ in the Grail message. To fully understand the coming into being of creation, read, ‘Let There be Light’ in Resonances to the Grail Message.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@Justcool, as always your explanations are very illuminating, however, what you have stated was already clear to me. What is not clear is the fall itself since it is stated that those in the divine and the primordial do not need to leave their sphere but only through their radiations can they work outside their spheres. That to me means they won't personally leave their realm. For instance we know that Maria The Rose and Irmingard The Lily did not personally leave the divine to work outside the divine but only through their radiations did they work outside the divine, they always remained in the divine. How is it that only Lucifer had to leave the divine in person to work outside the divine rather than send his radiations That's my questions . The above questions arose after I read the lecture And IT Fulfilled! In it is stated that those in the divine and to some extent the primordial beings do not need to leave their post in the divine and primordial spiritual but they extend their radiations to work outside their sphere. So how come Lucifer is the only one to actually leave his post and descend to creation to work, rather than remain in the divine and extend his radiation embodiment. . . . . . . . . . . A thought just struck me as i was typing, and this is it: He was in the divine, and extended his radiations into creation in order to assist man in his development but only fell from divine the moment the volition arose in him to do otherwise from the Will of God. . . Hmmmmmm, I think it's clear now, or is there any clearer explanation.

justcool:

@bynah
Thanks for your question. I’m sorry I didn’t notice the above questions till today.
The Grail message never said that Jesus was born 25th of December. However, there is nothing wrong in setting out a day to celebrate the birth of the savior, even if the day of celebration is not the exact day of the savior’s birth. Therefore, some churches that celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th are not doing it because they think He was actually born on that day. It is a day that has been marked out for the celebration. December 25th is the day of celebration of the winter solstice; a celebration that was very important for the ancient Europeans, hence the early Christian church in their quest to win converts, incorporated it into Christianity, and Christianized it to be the celebration of the birth of Jesus. The Grail message never said that adherents must celebrate the birth of Jesus on 25th December; if some do, they do it out or personal choice. Christ was born around the winter solstice, based on the laws of creation there is a significance to this day; however the exact day of His birth is not 25th.
While ancient Easter celebration has paganisitic or heathen origin, the resurrection of Jesus happened to fall on the day the ancients celebrated Easter. The early Christians, especially the early Roman Christian church allowed Northern European converts to continue with the celebration that has been so deeply engraved into the fabric of Northern European life; the church perhaps feared she(the church) will lose their Northern European converts of they were deprived celebrations that they were so used to. Hence the celebrations were allowed to continue; but rather than paying homage to Ēostre (an ancient goddess), Christians were advised to pay homage to Christ. Hence early European tribes kept their pagan traditions, the church wanted to use these celebrations and traditions as bridge that will gradually lead the pagan converts from paganism to Christianity. Therefore they were told to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus on Easter day, rather than the resurrection of nature(spring with her accompanying fertility) which the ancients attributed to the goddess Eostre, who was also the goddess of fertility.
This way certain pagan practices, like decoration or painting of eggs (which symbolizes adoration to fertility), egg hunting, Ash Wednesday, abstaining from meat eating during lent, etc, were carried over into Christianity and mixed with the resurrection of Jesus.
There is nothing wrong in celebrating nature(spring with her abundant fertility). But by now mankind should have matured spiritually enough, to give thanks to the Almighty God for His gift of spring. Some of the goddesses that the ancients worshiped or thanked during this period are actually elementals or links in the embodiments of radiations that ultimately started from the Kingdom of God. Hence for all that we find in nature, for every season with their respective gifts, we should bow before the Almighty God and thank Him in humility for his graciousness.
Indeed some of the ancient celebrations are quite good, especially when they celebrate nature which is the work of the Creator. What should have changed by now is the attitude, or the intuitive perceptions that the ancients attached to the things or natural phenomena that they celebrated.
For example, some ancients on perceiving the importance of the sun and its rays for life on earth, adored the sun. Overtime, they matured to the extent that the clairvoyants among them can see the elemental beings that work in the radiations of the sun; some went as far as seeing the Apollo, the being in charge of the sun; and they adored him. However if they keep going onwards with their development, overtime they will see beyond Apollo and ultimately they will reach a stage where they realize that all, including the sun, belongs the One and only true God, the Almighty God, the only One worthy of worship. But most ancients didn’t go onwards in their spiritual development, overtime they became stagnant, and once stagnant, retrogression followed. Hence adoration of the sun or Apollo degenerated to worship of the sun or Apollo. And this is wrong for only God should be worshiped.
The modern man today, who should have matured spiritually, should know that there is nothing wrong in adoring the sun. Indeed it is duty to recognize the value of the sun which is a great gift from God, and which we must never seek to destroy. However, our gratitude and worship should be directed only to God Almighty, who in His indescribable love gave us the sun for our benefit on earth.
Even some ancient Africans that adored and worshipped the earth; they have a day set out for the worship and celebration of the earth. For example, the ancient Igbos adored Ani(the earth goddess). Such celebrations need not be done away with. What we should have stopped in regards to the celebration is the worship of the Earth or the goddess of the earth. The earth should still be adored, we can set out a day to thank the Almighty for the gift of the earth, and on that day we should renew our vow never to see the earth fall into the realm of darkness. Never to stain it with evil deeds. Hence some of these ancient traditions should have been kept; it is our attitude that should have evolved. The tradition itself is not inherently evil. But unfortunately, we became stagnant and consequently retrogression followed. Then came the white missionaries who forcibly destroyed and forbade these traditions; they took away our traditions and handed us theirs. Celebration of the earth is as good as celebration of Eostre (the celebration of spring). The ancient Europeans celebrated Spring and the each of the four seasons because nature in Europe gives them four seasons, (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter). In tropical Africa where we have three seasons(Rainy, Dry, and Harmattan), and consequently you don’t find celebration of spring rather you find among several African tribes, the celebrating and worship of the rain; the first rain of the year of often received with adoration, praises and even celebration and worship of the god of rain or sky. There is nothing inherently wrong in this adoration and celebration, only the worship of god is wrong. Hence by now Africans should still adore rainfall, be grateful for it; and set out a day to thank the Almighty for it.
However, it was very unfair for the missionaries to tell our forefathers to drop their celebrations of the nature around them and pick up celebrations like Eostre which stems from Europeans celebration of their environment.
Also there is nothing wrong in remembering the resurrection of Christ during the period of Easter; but one must be fully aware that Christ did not resurrect physically; for such will be contrary to the laws of creation which testify of the perfection of the creator and which incorruptible and unchangeable. Bringing the celebration of resurrection of Christ to Africans is not wrong, because Jesus is their Lord too. However other things like the painting or hunting of eggs, abstaining from meat during lent and etc, are all European cultures which brings the African no benefit. Rather it takes his view off his own environment and culture. People should be able to disassociate these practices, abstaining from meat eating during lent, Ash Wednesday, etc from Jesus. As these are European cultural practices that in reality have nothing to do with Jesus.
In Abdruschin’s lecture, “Let Easter arise within you, man!” It is my perception that by using the word, ‘Easter,’ Abdruschin meant resurrection. Hence “Let Easter arise within you, man!” means let the spirit within you awaken or let there be an awakening within you. Just as nature resurrects in Easter(Spring), the spirit of man should resurrect or awaken spiritually before he can pass judgment and be worthy to experience the millennium or Kingdom of God. It is like Christ, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the ....” It has nothing to do with paganisistic worship of Eoster) or physical resurrection of Christ.
Also, you have to understand that so many things and even names that we accepted from Erupeans have paganisinc origins. Think of the names of the days, for example. Sunday refers to day for the worship of the sun. Thursday refers to the Thor, the god of thunder. Saturday refers to the god Saturn, etc. Even months of the year: August is the month of Augustus Caser, a roman emperor. July is the month of Julius Caesar. And of these roman emperors were known as Ponifex Maximus, living gods. Even the pagan term Pontifex was adopted into Christianity; even the pope today still goes by the title of Pontifex. The fact that a thing has paganistic origin does not make that thing inherently wrong; it is that attitude with which we approach those things that make it right or wrong. Here, names are just for identification, be they names of days, months, etc. You wont burden yourself with guilt for calling a day Thursday, Saturday. etc. as long as you don't really worship these gods.
With this knowledge, right attitude, and spiritual maturity, one can celebrate Easter(resurrection of nature) righteously or in a manner that is pleasing to God. Just as one can choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th; and there is nothing wrong with this, provided such a one is doing it with the right attitude. Actually we, as servants of God should strive to celebrate the birth of Jesus every minute of our lives and with each breath we take! With each breath we should vow to God to live exactly as Christ taught us; such is the correct way of celebrting the gift of His birth.
Thanks and remain blessed.

@justcool
Thanks for the reply. It's quite remarkable that you answered even the ones that I didn't write down.
I used to belong to a sect that didn't believe in any celebration attached to a date because of the issue of pagan origins. Thanks for clearly illuminating the point. This was exactly what I needed.
I also have a second in my second post which is directly above your reply to my question. It's about the phrase "And lead us not into temptation".
Remain blessed.

bynah:
Dear all, especially adherents of the grail mesage.
My question bothers on the affirmation that the grail message draws directly from the truth, since this is so why does it still get handicapped by transmission errors, for example from the lecture "The Lord's Prayer" In Vol. 2 of The
Grail Message
“And lead us not into temptation!”
Man has a wrong conception when he tries to interpret these words as if God would tempt him. God tempts no one! In this case, owing to a doubtful transmission, the unfortunate choice of the word “temptation” was made. The right meaning would include such concepts as erring, going astray and thus going wrong, and seeking the Light on the wrong path.
It means: “Let us not take the wrong road, nor seek in the wrong direction! Let us not lose, waste nor fritter away time in such seeking! But if necessary restrain us forcibly from doing so, even if we need to be stricken with sorrow and pain!”
My understanding originally was that there was a Truthful source where everything was correctly recorded, this excerpt only shows that the writer is taking from bible transmission in this case.
Thanks and stay blessed.

@bynah an inquirer had put a similar question to justcool many years ago. The following is his reply. I hope it will answer your question.

@justcool, I apologize for pesting your previous post here. I only wish to help bynah in his inquiry.

By justcool:
I found it strange that you (strong believer of the authenticity of Bible) can pursue that line of argument. The implication of your argument is that all the stories in the Bible is fallacy. Let me explain what I mean:
If I write a fiction, lets say I invent a fictitious character called "Monga," and I claim that Monga lives in the moon. Then if another author tells a story about a Monga who live in the moon; I can argue with certainty that he(the author) stole the idea from me. Because "Monga" is my invention.
But If there is actually a Monga that live in the moon. My accusation of the author stealing the idea from may not be true. The author could have gone to the moon and seen "Monga," or the author could have been vissited by Monga, or the author could have gained the knowledge of the existence of Monga by viewing the moon through telescope or by communicating with Monga electronically.
Lets lets apply this analogy to the Grail Message and the Bible.
If the things written in the Bible were true and actually exist, then it is possible that another person could see them too. I. e. if God actually exist and He gave Moses the ten commandments, this opens up a possibility that God can reveal the same ten commandment that He gave to Moses to another person. If you truly believe that every allusion to the ten commandment could have not come from any where else except the Bible. Then by implication, you are saying that God and the ten commandments are fictitious inventions made by Moses and other Bible writers.
When Jesus talked about the son of man, He(Jesus) did not draw His knowledge from the ancient scriptures; eventhough some of the ancient scripture before Jesus contained information about the son of man. When Jesus' utterances agree with a particular scripture, this goes to show the correctness of that particular scripture. It also shows that Jesus draw His knowledge from the same source as the writer of the scripture. To assert that Jesus draw His knowledge from that scripture is very wrong. If the source of the knowledge actually exists, then another can draw the same knowledge from HIM(the source), and not necessarily from any scripture.
Also, everything that has ever happened has been recorded by time. God can permit a person to access the archives of time, i.e. witness an event that happened thousands of years ago. This can be shown to that person in a dream. I do not want to boost of my experiences, but it might help if I tell you that I personally have once been allowed to see an event that happened thousands of years ago. This not just me, most people experience this at least once in there life times. Perharps you might have had such an experience too. You might write a book on what you were allowed to see, perhaps it is an event that was already recorded in history books. It will be very wrong for one to accuse you of plagiarising the history books which you might not have read. It will be wrong for one to accuse of drawing from the history books, just because your book mentioned the same events that is mentioned in the History books.

ezebrain:





@bynah an inquirer had put a similar question to justcool many years ago. The following is his reply. I hope it will answer your question.

@justcool, I apologize for pesting your previous post here. I only wish to help bynah in his inquiry.

By justcool:
I found it strange that you (strong believer of the authenticity of Bible) can pursue that line of argument. The implication of your argument is that all the stories in the Bible is fallacy. Let me explain what I mean:
If I write a fiction, lets say I invent a fictitious character called "Monga," and I claim that Monga lives in the moon. Then if another author tells a story about a Monga who live in the moon; I can argue with certainty that he(the author) stole the idea from me. Because "Monga" is my invention.
But If there is actually a Monga that live in the moon. My accusation of the author stealing the idea from may not be true. The author could have gone to the moon and seen "Monga," or the author could have been vissited by Monga, or the author could have gained the knowledge of the existence of Monga by viewing the moon through telescope or by communicating with Monga electronically.
Lets lets apply this analogy to the Grail Message and the Bible.
If the things written in the Bible were true and actually exist, then it is possible that another person could see them too. I. e. if God actually exist and He gave Moses the ten commandments, this opens up a possibility that God can reveal the same ten commandment that He gave to Moses to another person. If you truly believe that every allusion to the ten commandment could have not come from any where else except the Bible. Then by implication, you are saying that God and the ten commandments are fictitious inventions made by Moses and other Bible writers.
When Jesus talked about the son of man, He(Jesus) did not draw His knowledge from the ancient scriptures; eventhough some of the ancient scripture before Jesus contained information about the son of man. When Jesus' utterances agree with a particular scripture, this goes to show the correctness of that particular scripture. It also shows that Jesus draw His knowledge from the same source as the writer of the scripture. To assert that Jesus draw His knowledge from that scripture is very wrong. If the source of the knowledge actually exists, then another can draw the same knowledge from HIM(the source), and not necessarily from any scripture.
Also, everything that has ever happened has been recorded by time. God can permit a person to access the archives of time, i.e. witness an event that happened thousands of years ago. This can be shown to that person in a dream. I do not want to boost of my experiences, but it might help if I tell you that I personally have once been allowed to see an event that happened thousands of years ago. This not just me, most people experience this at least once in there life times. Perharps you might have had such an experience too. You might write a book on what you were allowed to see, perhaps it is an event that was already recorded in history books. It will be very wrong for one to accuse you of plagiarising the history books which you might not have read. It will be wrong for one to accuse of drawing from the history books, just because your book mentioned the same events that is mentioned in the History books.

@ezebrain thanks but I don't see this answer as ok for the inquiry I made. I have come across this reply by justcool and it was correct I believe for that particular question that was asked but I don't think it satisfies mine.
In that case which I can't recall completely, the questioner purported that a story similar to that found in the bible must have been copied from the bible. In my question I'm asking about where a correction is being made over what was not properly recorded in the bible and the correct version which should be found in the truth is still not there to be used in the correct form which should be sourced from the truth.
I want to know explicitly what should be the correct phrase to use instead of "Lead us not into temptation" because I intuitively feel it is wrong but the Grail Message doesn't have the correct wording to use as a replacement.
I hope I have made the question clearer.
Thanks and remain blessed.

Speer:
Thank you Justcool as ever.

My next inquiry regards to the working of those elemental beings (inc. the "giants" who work very closely with mankind on the gross material earth. They are mentioned in the chapter on Atlantis in one the Past Eras/Milllenia books.
Also from the chapter Germs Originating from Animistic Substance in Vol. III we have:

"Now let us at last talk of animistic-germs, which we had taken as our subject. Those that are most closely related to the spirit-germs of earthmen as regards their development are the small flower-elves of the earth.

As you regard it, these awaken in the cups of earthly flowers, but not in the way you imagine it! It is true that they are in the flower-buds which form their coarsest protective cloak until they awaken, but there is something else in addition.

In reality they lie softly embedded in a layer of fine, delicate gross matter, not visible to you in the earthly sense. But at the same time they also lie in a flower-bud of the earth. The delicate layer of gross matter not only penetrates the bud but also the entire earth and its surroundings, something which is invisible to you."

What I cannot fathom is how the 'giants" and others in the past who operate in fine gross matter were/are able to help with gross material constructions or objects on earth. How did they help the Atlanteans build huge constructions
on earth? Or how do the objects created by them in fine gross matter (say building blocks) become, well, coarse gross matter that is visible to our eyes?

That the earth was physically orbiting in "higher or less dense" orbits during those times probably has something to do with it-----was the fine gross material plane where these elemental beings operate, how to say it, somewhat "closer" to the earth? From my understanding, we are still surrounded by fine gross matter (although way more darker than then).

Thanks as always. As in the Grail Castle, you are the chalice of knowledge of this thread without which it would dry up!!!

Cheers,

@Speer.
Thanks for your questions; as always they are deep and worthy. I will use this opportunity to touch on some things that have caused many puzzles and problems in the society; these puzzles and problems all stem from the not-understood mutuality of the different species of gross matter. So bear with me as I will digress a lot in my explanation.

The solution to your question lies in the fact that both astral and physical is gross matter. Hence they share a certain level of homogeneity. As you already know, there types of gross matter: (1) Fine gross matter, (2) Medium gross matter (astral), and (3) Heavy gross matter (physical).

Now these three are arranged by the law of gravity, based on their weight, density, or coarseness. Hence based on this, the physical(heaviest gross) matter should lie deepest or furthest from the light than the astral and fine gross matter. However, the law of motion also comes into play. The slower or more sluggish anything is, the further will be its distance from the Primordial Light. Hence astral forms (forms of evil thoughts etc) that lack movement, being slower than the physical in movement, are bound to sink lower than the physical; the accumulation of these works forms planes that are lower, darker, more rigid, and uglier than the physical. This is how the dark planes of the beyond came into being; these dark planes need not exist, hence we can call them unnatural. These lower worlds are works of man, not nature!

All these three species, being gross matter are homogenous to a certain degree, and hence they affect each directly. It is this homogeneity that allows a very apt physical eye to sometimes catch a glimpse of the astral. This is why among some ancients we have tales of impossible creatures, tales of sudden appearance and disappearance of people, the dead and creatures. Imagine a hunter in those ancient times! He has to sit still, unnoticed, for hours in other to see animals to throw spears at. And these animals for their safety have camouflages, making them very difficult to discern from their environments. Hence the hunters eyes has to be very keen at discerning; it has to be subjected to utmost movement; it cannot slack, otherwise the hunter and his family will die of hunger. Overtimes, the eyes of the hunter becomes so keen in discernment, that he can even sometimes see certain astral forms, which in their sluggishness or rigidity closely resembles the physical. It happens that this hunter sometimes see astral forms of men’s thoughts. Since these forms carry the resemblance of their originators, this hunter may mistake them to be people he knows. This is how witch hunting began! For example, the hunter may say that he saw his neighbor often transformed into a lion with ten heads and chase him. Perhaps other hunters may see similar things, and the resultant is that they crucify or kill this neighbor of theirs in a gruesome manner, believing he is a witch or that he turns into a lion! This unfortunate neighbor of theirs may be an old man who was a hunter while young, and who during his years of hunting has developed great fear of lions. And this fear has taken on form in the beyond, attached to him and to all people that nourished such fear of lions. Hence the hunter who accused his neighbor of witchcrafts may have contributed in creating the monster he sees pursuing him. But due to our folly of always looking for faults in our neighbors, never in ourselves, the aforementioned hunter who can see these forms, only recognizes his neighbor’s face in them. Little did he know that in creating these forms (monster) he is as guilty as or even guiltier than his neighbor. It is quite possible that his neighbor have not contributed at all in creating the monstrous forms, hence the neighbor is totally innocent; yet this man sees the neighbor’s face in these monsters which he created himself, because of his hatred or fear of his neighbor. Totally ignorant of all these, he goes ahead and kills his neighbor, who he believes is a witch or can turns into a lion or monstrous forms!

It is very sad that up till this day so many people in Africa still believe in the nonsense called witch hunting, people appearing and disappearing or people turning into animals, etc. Firstly, most of these stories are simply false! Only in very few cases, are the stories true, and in such cases the explanation is quite simple as all that happens in creation are. There is a story of man who visited a native doctor and after some incantations and after eating some leaves offered by the native doctor, the native doctor turned into a snake and after a while returned to being human. This story was actually told by a non-Nigerian who visited Nigeria, and hence the story is true. Let me use this opportunity to explain these phenomena.

To one who knows the laws of creation, the explanation is quite simple! Both the incantations and the leaves offered by the native doctors have certain effect on the physical body, making it sensitive to things that it would not be sensitive to under normal circumstances. Just as every food you eat has an effect on your body! The leaves changes the radiation of the body i.e. the blood radiation, due to its botanical components, making the eyes extraordinary more perceptive! This then enables the man to see the astral form of the native doctor which has degenerated to the form of a snake due to wrong living! Soon the effect of the drug(leaves, herbs, roots, etc) wears out and the man’s sensitivity returns to normal and consequently he perceives on the physical cloak of the native doctor again; and it appears to him as if the native doctor’s physical body has retransformed back to human form! Deeply shaken, the man now believes that the native doctor has supernatural powers, and consequently he accepts the doctor’s words as gospel truth! Mundane science knows that the components of the things we eat find their way to our blood; and through the blood, our organs, even our organs of perception especially the brain! This is how hallucinogens and certain mind altering drugs works. Some of the times what people see under the effect of some hallucinogens are not imaginations but realities in their astral environments! This is what science cannot take into account because, so far, science has not crossed the threshold of the non-physical; hence the exact mechanism through which these drugs work are not yet clearly understood by science. Some of these hallucinogens and dissociative drugs go as far as lowering or changing the blood radiation to the extent that the astral eyes opens and the individual sees with his astral eyes; even to the extent of allowing the astral body to slide out of the physical for a while. In such moments the physical body and its organs of perception are temporarily pushed into the background, while the astral takes the lead. Not only drugs can cause these effects, certain things like high fever resulting from illness, infection, incantations, chanting, even fasting can have such effects on the body that can give rise to extreme changes in the blood radiation!

Let it be categorically stated that under no circumstances can the human physical body turn into a snake or any animal; neither can a man spontaneously disappear into the mist nor appear all of a sudden. No human can vomit money he never swallowed; neither can somebody make money appear out of nowhere. All these stories were usually here in Africa are either blatant lies or they stem from lack of understanding or a perfectly natural phenomena.

Based on the homogeneity of all the gross material species, it is easier for a soul in the astral or fine gross material to cause a physical manifestation than one already in the ethereal; because ethereal is an entirely different species from the physical. Hence manifestations, such as those observed phenomena like table knocking, Ouija boards, spirit photography, etc are possible in regards to souls still wearing either their astral or fine gross material cloaks as opposed to those already in the ethereal. Hence it is laughable when these mystics claim to have contacted very high beings, like Jesus, through Ouija boards or table knocking or through some other mystic practices.

However, for the departed to cause these manifestations on the physical, something is needed: a radiation bridge! Some people on earth, in flesh and blood, have a type of radiation that offer the departed a bridge to cause physical manifestations. Such people often find light physical objects moving in their environments; these objects appear to move on their own without people moving them. Such people may find table levitating, chairs thrown, or pencils and plates sliding and falling off tables, etc around them. These people are often called haunted people or erroneously called possessed people. This also explains why such manifestations as table-knocking, Ouija boards or physical manifestation of the departed succeed more in isolation than in public places. When the person who offers this radiation bridge, is alone or with a few people with homogenous radiations, it’s easier for the departed to approach him and use the bridge. However, in the public when there are many people with different radiations and differing homogeneity, this difference in homogeneity can repulse the departed wishing to manifest. Or the combined radiation of many makes it impossible. Because based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, only a soul homogenous to a bridge can pass through it. Hence it happens, as have often happened in history that those who in practice succeed in contacting the departed through these practices often fail when they try it in an open arena in the presence of a crowd.

Hence radiation explains everything! In it lies the solution to your puzzle. The elementals in medium gross matter are able to cause physical changes through radiations! This is easy to understand in this era that science has discovered and starting making use of radiations, albeit the coarsest forms of radiations. Think of microwaves for example! You can cook with it. The microwave oven sends microwaves, which are radiations, to the food; the radiation has the ability to agitate water molecules, the resultant is greater movement of the molecules which causes heat that cooks or boils the food. This way you boil your food(or water in the food) without directly applying heat or flame to the food! By the same token, the elementals can, by sending their radiations to physical objects, cause a grater subatomic movement which can result in lightness, heating up or cooling down, depending on the nature of the radiation, which changes depending on their intention. Hence they have helped the ancients in construction of buildings, especially in movement of giant stones! Today science still marvels on how the ancients were able to move giant stones. The truth is that they received help. Hence a stone that weighs tons can be made as light as a feather! This is how the elementals helped the ancients in constructions, especially in moving very heavy stones. If science continues onwards, it will get to a stage where it will achieve great feats, feats that we consider impossible today, with radiations.

However, the elementals in medium gross matter do not need the radiations of men in flesh and blood to mold, shape, or work on the physical. They are so constituted that their radiation can unite with the radiations of physical matter and effect a change. And being in gross matter, albeit medium gross matter, they are not in an entirely different species from the physical. Those in higher planes of matter, can also work with men in moving or molding physical objects when they are allowed to do so from above. However, to be able to do this, they will have to envelop themselves in veils or cloaks of medium gross matter.

It is with their(elementals in medium gross matter) radiations that they are able to move the tectonic plates, movements that cause earthquakes. It is with their radiations that they are able to change work on physical objects. Just as the mutual radiation of the physical and the soul holds the body and soul together, it is the mutual radiation of the animistic germs(germs originating from animistic substance) and the physical flower that holds the germ in the flower.

When it comes to inventions that they fashion in gross matter, which are eventually passed down to the earth, it is not the astral prototypes that become physical. Rather, the astral prototypes are shown to man, who then has the task of building it in the physical realm. This being shown to man is not always done in full conscious awareness of the man, he may thing he dream it; or it may instigate him to think about inventing such things. Ideas will come to him which in his ignorance he will think are his; but remember the words:
"But you never give purely your own volition in any matter, there are always other influences as well!"(Abdruschin)
This is how astral prototypes made by the elementals in the astral planes are passed down to the earth. It requires the involvement of man in flesh and blood. As all that requires the involvement of man, errors can arise. This is why we have harmful inventions; they are not properly passed down.

Therefore "objects created by them in fine gross matter (say building blocks)" can never become physical matter that our eyes see as you suggested in your question. Rather the inventions(objects created by them) can inspire inventors on earth; they can perceive it inwardly or in their thoughts and build it physically on earth too. During the process of picking up, they think that are inventing the idea without knowing that they are only picking up in theirs thoughts, forms that already exist in creation. Read the lecture Silence! This is also why every inventor(inventor of good things) should not take all the credit, but should give all the glory to God from whose creation he(the inventor) received what he passed down to the earth.

Also, in regards to being visible; this is possible. I have already explained that under certain circumstances an apt physical eye can perceive astral forms or objects. It is also possible that under certain circumstances, men in flesh and blood can see with their medium(astral) or fine gross material eyes; even ethereal eyes! In such moments as during the construction of important buildings, the ancients who are humble and pure prayed for help. As an answer to their prayers, the Almighty permits that their subtler eyes(either astral, fine gross material or ethereal eyes) open; Or He may allow these invisible servants of His holy will to condense to such an extent the men can see them. In such cases, where men have prayed in humility for His help, the Almighty also allows his servants in medium gross matter, the elementals, to help men. In such circumstances, such men can clearly see and hear the elementals, who will instruct the men on what do, and also help make heavy stones lighter with their radiations as I have already explained.

It's far more natural than you think.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Hello Justcool,

Thanks so very much for the response and most esp. for the explanation of The Void that you had alluded to much earlier in this thread. 'Twas really really insightful.

@all
Had pls wanted to ask where is this lecture to be found "The First Threads for the Bridge to the New Covenant."

@Justcool,

am still digesting your explanation of the elemental helpers. You have answered it from the perspective that the elementals/giants help mankind on earth directly using their powers/radiations to manipulate gross earthly materials. I agree with this though not understand the exact mechanics.
The elementals make prototypes in the astral plane for us to "receive" as such and replicate on earth. I understand this too and this is stated as such in the Message.


I had actually asked from the perspective of their also helping mankind on earth by making/fashioning things like sculpted construction stone blocks in the astral plane and.......................well, somehow transferring that from the astral plane to the gross material earth. Hence the nature of the wording of the query to you.
Does this happen?
Perhaps some sort of accelerated "condensed matter physics" phenomena as modern science might term it :-).

Again, the reasons I ask is the Atlantis story from one of the Past Era/Millennia books. This was also why I made mention of whether the "higher orbit" of the earth during those times had something to do with it.

Spasiva Tovarich!!!

@ Speer

I have already answered in my last post. It is impossible for anything astral to become physical. Astral and physical, although belonging to gross matter and sharing a certain degree of homogeneity, are two different species. In creation different species don't interchange or mingle, they only exist side by side. Hence even the most condensed astral remains astral, and can never become physical. Astral object can radiate in to the physical realm allowing a physical replica of the object to arise, since heaviest gross matter( physical) is a reflection of the astral. Everything physical has an astral prototype.

Provide the verses that you are alluding to in Past Eras Awaken, and lets examine them.

Thanks and remain blessed.

izombo:
@justcool
I always find your post very illuminating, please continue the good work. Tell me more about Lucifer, what plane did he really came from? Is it from the primordial realm or higher in the divine?

@izombo

Thanks for your questions.

I have already mentioned many times in this thread that Lucifer originated from the Divine substantiate sphere. Lucifer did not originate from the primordial spiritual realm.


Thanks and remain blessed.

M_nwankwo. Thanks for sharing your perception which is enriching, and which I respect very much; however my perception differs with yours in the issue of Lucifer on many points. I was going to let this issue slide by but I felt compelled to offer mine right next to yours so that each individual would have the opportunity of examining each view. My aim is not to prove you wrong or anything like that; my aim is just to give readers including you, the opportunity to examine my humble point of view.

I advise every reader of these different views to read the lecture, “The mystery of Lucifer,” from volume II of the Grail message. Please place the words of the Grail above mine, where mine goes against the words of the Grail message, quickly let go of my words.

I will start with the points where I agree with m_nwankwo. It is right to say that nothing evil can enter the kingdom of God; no evil volition can enter the kingdom of God. M_nwankwo’s perception regarding Lucifer and the place where he struggled against the Primordial Queen will hold true of one considers Lucifer’s volition, the dragon evil. But there is a fine distinction which cannot be over looked. Lucifer’s principle which is embodied in the dragon is not evil; rather it is the wrong principle. There is a fine distinction between that which is evil and that which is wrong. The Grail message called Lucifer’s principle wrong, and not evil.

That which is wrong is not necessarily evil. Hence even in the Primordial spiritual planes we have children who may later grow into adulthood. At childhood level corresponds to a degree of growth where the being is not fully matured enough to deal with all issues, and hence can introduce a wrong principle or a principle that does not yet fully accord with the will of God. Hence even called ones from the Primordial spiritual plane had to be trained before sent into their mission. Before this training the being is not evil, but may introduce a wrong principle hence he appears as a child. Even the son of man started as a baby when He incarnated into the Primordial spiritual plane; many people have been granted the mercy of seeing the spiritually radiated picture of the primordial queen carrying the child(infant) Parsifal. The question is why was He a child? He had not fully matured into His mission and to undergo centuries of training in the primordial spiritual sphere, and as He matured, His primodial spiritual body also matured. He gradually grows from child hood to adulthood, only before then could He enter His mission. Even Isaiah saw this and reported, “He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.” Suffice also for me to say that the birth of Imanuel which Isaiah reported refers to the highest heights in creation, the incarnation of the son of man into the Primordial spiritual plane.
The prerequisite for entering the kingdom of God is purity! Any pure being can remain there even if the being is not yet matured. At the stage of immaturity a wrong principle can arise; but we use the word “wrong” for the lack of a better word. Perhaps replacing with “immature”, or "not yet fully strong to the will of God,” or "Inadequate" will bring us to a nearer to the right understanding.

There is nothing supernatural even in the highest heights in creation, the same laws which are intrinsic abilities of species manifest in all the planes of creation. Just as a child born into the earth has to learn how to use its body and grow to maturity, a Divine being incarnating into the Primordial spiritual plane also had to learn how its primordial spiritual body and how to operate in this new environment. Hence the son of man, although born out of Divinity unsubstantiate, had to start as an infant in the Primordial spiritual sphere. Only when He grew into adulthood could He enter His mission. This fact is important, hence I put it in bold, and I will return to it later. Even when urgent necessity arouse to save mankind, the son of man could not be sent, because He was still a youth then, and hence has not matured enough to enter into mission. Jesus had to be sent instead. That fact that He was a youth at the time of Jesus was mentioned in the lecture, “The Stranger,” Volume I of the Grail Message.

The fact that Lucifer’s struggle against the Primordial queen took place in the Primordial spiritual planes and not in the ethereal plane is clear if one considers these points:
(1) The Primordial queen issues from Divinity substantiate and had never incarnated into the world of matter. Only in the Primordial spiritual plane does she descend to pass down the son of man, she descends into the Grail castle to receive a mantle of covering of primordial spiritual substance. The radiation, known as the son of man, had to emanate from Imanuel and sink into Elizabeth, the primordial queen, who then descends into the Grail castle at the Primordial spiritual plane to pass him down. Through this sinking into Elizabeth, the son of man receives a covering of Primordial spiritual substance form the radiation of the mantle of Elizabeth. The Primodial queen Elizabeth had always dwelled in the highest hieghts. Even from the Lecture "Cult" in Volume I of the Grail message, about the Primodial queen, we read, "She however has dwelt from all eternity in the Highest Heights, and has never been incarnated in an earthly body!" It is my perception that the writer of the Grail message could never reffer to any part of material creation or subsequent creation as "Highest Heights." It is also my perception that there is a reason why that expression "Highest Heights" is emphacized(each word began with a capital letter) and italicized in the Grail Message. This expresion only reffers to the Grail Castle at the highest border of the Primodial spiritual planes or the Divine substantial sphere.

This is the only way Divine unsubstantiate beings enter creation. For their entrance into subsequent creation, Elizabeth is not needed, here two other beings, Therese and Maria comes into play. Hence the entrance of the son of man into the ethereal realm does not require the queen of heaven to pass him down there. Entering into the ethereal plane or incarnating into the ethereal plane is fully explained in the Grail message; this is accomplished by descending into a flower and has nothing to do with passing down by a woman or Elizabeth.
It is the passing down of the son of man, by Elizabeth, into the Primordial spiritual plane that the writer of revelation was shown. The person who passed it down on earth could only relate it to giving birth, but this is not giving birth in the earthly sense.
(2) Lucifer could not have been driven out of the highest part of the ethereal to be left to operate in the other parts of the ethereal realm or other part of the world of matter. It is like saying that Adam and Eve where driven out of a garden on earth to another part of the earth; such is illogical as the Grail Message explained. Lucifer’s influence, after attacking Elizabeth in the Primordial spiritual plane or the kingdom of God, was limited to subsequent creation which at that point was not the kingdom of God. Indeed Lucifer attacked all the planes of creation, and not only subsequent creation, he actually left a huge wound on the Spiritual plane which manifested in the lamb at the steps of thrown of God. However only in subsequent creation could his disturbing influence find real and long lasting anchorage and effect. There was a reason why the Angels could not fight Lucifer in the world of matter, even the highest part of ethereal matter! For after the failure of Lucifer, all that is material belonged to the realm of Darkness. The Angles, originating in the kingdom of God, could only fight Lucifer in the kingdom of God. Driving Lucifer out of the world of matter was reserved to the son of man alone. Only He could achieve this, and only He was trained and prepared for this battle, a preparation that took thousands of years.

(3)Another fact indicating where this struggle of Lucifer against the Primodial queen took place is the fact that the receiver of Revelation referred to the place as heavens; Hence above, or at least above him (The receiver of revelation) If one remembers that Revelation was received in the Island of Patmos which is in the Primordial spiritual plane, far above Paradise; then it becomes clear that he could not have been writing about an even that happened in the ethereal realm far below him. The Island of Patmos is the fifth plane (counting from above downwards) in the Primordial spiritual planes. This is where the Revelation was given (The Grail Message confirms this) and passed down to all the planes below. Hence for John, in the Primordial spiritual plane, to consider this place "heavens", it must have been far above him and not far below him. The fact that he refers the highest plane of the Primordial spiritual planes as heaven is found all over Revelation. I.e. when he described the descent of Parsifal from the Primordial spiritual planes to bind Lucifer, He wrote “and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.”(Revelation 9:1)

The star that fell from heaven unto the earth refers to the incarnation of the son of man on earth, from where He descended to the bottomless pit and bonded Lucifer. The "key" simply refers to His ability, as coming from the highest, to descend to the lowest spheres. Spheres below creation. To every creature in creation, this depth appears bottomless(endless void), due to the creature’s inability to penetrate to its end; hence John the Primordial spirit referred to it as bottomless pit. This verse from Revelation simply show that the place referred to as Heaven is not the ethereal realm which is far below Primordial creation. John referred to the place from where the son of man came as heavens (I saw a star fell from[b] heaven[/b]), he could not, in the same revelation, later refer a plane below him as heavens.

Like I said earlier, we human spirits are accustomed to seeing ourselves and our environments as the center of all events. The reality is that we are insignificant in scale of things. The Revelation which was handed down from the Primordial spiritual planes is not in reference to subsequent creation alone. Most of the things talked about in Revelation are above subsequent creation. Man is inclined to think that God and Lucifer are fighting over him; however this is arrogance. For mankind is just insignificant creature in the scale of things and events happening in creation.
Please read the lecture “The Primordial Spiritual Planes VII” from Volume III of the Grail Message to see where Revelation of John was given.


I can go on and on but let me summarize. Indeed no failure can occur in Paradise or the Primordial spiritual planes, or the kingdom of God; but growth still occurs there. Just as a child is not evil but may do immature things as he learns to use his physical body or as his spirit gradually unfolds. Despite this, the child remains pure not evil. Lucifer’s operation outside his origin started like that of a child, overtime his volition should have matured and united completely with the will of God, as happens with all beings sent from a higher plane to a lower plane. But Lucifer’s didn’t. Even his dissention and expulsion, separation, or failure did not happen overnight but gradually. Lucifer does not belong to creation but remained outside creation, completely outside material creation. At first his principle or volition, although wrong or immature, could cause disturbance in all the planes of creation, because (1) he originates above creation and bears enough power to send his volition in all the planes of creation. The pressure in the primordial creation is strong be terribly weak compared that in the Divine sphere; hence a Divine being can send his volition even into Primordial creation. (2) This volition, resulting from Luciferian principle, at this point is not really evil, but rather “wrong” There is a fine distinction here.

He sent this wrong volition to the primordial queen in the highest part of creation; she descended there to fulfill her task of passing down Imanuel the son of man. But this wrong volition could not gain a firm hold on this plane; neither could it gain a firm hold in the Primordial queen who swung powerfully in the will of God. Hence it rebounded off her and off primordial creation and sank into subsequent creation. Hence the writer of revelation wrote that the current of dark waters vomited by the dragon to drawn the woman clothed in the sun was swallowed up by the earth (subsequent creation). Only after this incidence was Lucifer’s disturbing influence forcibly limited to the worlds of matter or subsequent creation. Rather than violating the correct assertion that no evil can exists in the Kingdom of God, this event confirms it.

But man is accustomed to thinking that Paradise is a place where one lives carefreely and completely absolved from all responsibilty. But on the contrary, those in Paradise have learnt to swing only in the will of God. This requires an eternal exertion, neither resting nor slaking. Where ever slacking seeks to arise, the being will automatically or gradually be expulsed or pushed out by the pressure. The spiritual always possessed free will and can always choose to deviate from the will of God; however choosing to deviate from this will in Paradise is as good as casting oneself out. This does not violate the assertion that failure is impossible in the kingdom of God. The spiritual (both primordial spiritual and spiritual) cannot fail or cause disturbance in Paradise; the pressure there is too strong for them, it forces them towards swinging in the Will of God. But a Divine being in Paradise is already cosmic distances away from his point of origin and carries enough inner strength to cause disturbance. And hence has to learn how to operate there in a manner corresponding to the will of God.

Just as an animal, even on earth can never fail or deviate from the will of nature, and hence no guilt attaches in the animal. Their animistic soul is not strong enough to counter the pressure from nature, hence left alone; the animal will always swing in accord with nature. But man being from a higher plane, and consequently possessing a stronger inner strength can deviate from nature and cause disturbance. This is reflected in the case of Lucifer who being divine can cause disturbance where no creature can. However, no matter where the disturbance is caused, in the end the will of God will triumph, even in the world of matter. Any creature that stands in the will of God, irrespective of where he is in creation or subsequent creation, will easily dispel this disturbance. Otherwise the human spirit will not fully responsible for his failure. Lucifer can only incite not force or compel any creature that fails, fails out of his own volition.

The Volitions of God are the strongest, far stronger than all; the volitions of Divine substantiate beings, although far less strong than the volition of God, are still far stronger than the volitions of Primordial spiritual beings. Hence can accomplish what the volition of primordial spiritual being or human spirits cannot accomplish.
[b]This post is getting too long, otherwise I will light throw light on the difference between that which is “wrong” and that which is “evil.” Understanding this fine distinction is the key to understanding the mystery of Lucifer.

[/b]Once again I urge every reader to read that lecture, “The Mystery of Lucifer” in the second volume of the book called, In the light of Truth: Grail Message. You can also read the chapter, “The Queen of Heaven,” in Herbert Vollmann’s book called[i] Knowledge for the World of Tomorrow.[/i] Also read the revealation of John, the part that this event was discribed, with an open eyes you will see where it took place. Although the writer spoke pictorialy, he passed down the event correctly.

Thanks and remain blessed.


Hello Justcool,

Good-day!!

The above post is from page 1 of this thread. Though you have extensively explained Lucifer, I pls wanted to ask if you still had anything more to say on the difference on what is wrong and what is evil as indicated in the bolded portion above (second to the last paragraph, last sentence).

Do not have any of the Past Eras/Millennia books on me right now so can not quote the exact sentences/footnotes from the Atlantis chapter regarding the elementals' help.

Again, thanks for the insight on The Void. Had been wanted to ask about that for a long time. First decided to try and figure it out myself...............with no progress..............and then received your explanation of it. One really has a very long journey ahead.

Have a all-encompassing receptive week.

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