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Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Nadoson: 7:17pm On Jun 22, 2012
T22, try 2 undstnd me, i dint say dt d guy shud stop huntin, i was tryin 2 emphasis dt 72% of implymnt nw in niga is WHOM U KNW. nt by cert.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 8:55am On Jun 24, 2012
What pains me most is the fact that this HND holders are made to do PGD before doing any Masters course. And it has never been recorded that they performed poorly in these programs. And yet some bias people will come out and condemn the poly HND graduates that they are not graduates. If they are not graduates why are they admitted into PGD programs? Is PGD not a postgraduate qualification that is higher than a bachelor's degree? Funny enough in some countries like UK, US, Canada, Ukraine, etc, they allow holders of nigerian HND with good grades to do a Masters program directly without having to do a PGD first. Nigerian government should begin to invest more on technical/technological education as that is what the country needs at the moment for positive growth and development. The university system has failed the nation in the areas of research & development as well as churnning out low quality degree holders who will always hide behind the certificate mentality thing to get a job.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Nobody: 9:17am On Jun 24, 2012
ishmael: What pains me most is the fact that this HND holders are made to do PGD before doing any Masters course. And it has never been recorded that they performed poorly in these programs. And yet some bias people will come out and condemn the poly HND graduates that they are not graduates. If they are not graduates why are they admitted into PGD programs? Is PGD not a postgraduate qualification that is higher than a bachelor's degree? Funny enough in some countries like UK, US, Canada, Ukraine, etc, they allow holders of nigerian HND with good grades to do a Masters program directly without having to do a PGD first. Nigerian government should begin to invest more on technical/technological education as that is what the country needs at the moment for positive growth and development. The university system has failed the nation in the areas of research & development as well as churnning out low quality degree holders who will always hide behind the certificate mentality thing to get a job.
Your write up shows an intense and deep bitterness and anger against Nigerian university graduates for no just cause. No hard feelings but a lot of bitter words vented against uni graduates by HND holders arise as a result of inferiority complex. In many cases and arguments that always arise, the poly graduates always start the debate. Even when I was serving, it was the HND holders that always (always and always) start the endless debate.
My own advice is that never you allow your degree, your class of degree, your type of degree, or course, etc to stop you from achieving your dreams. Look beyond the limitations and rise above it.
I have met many unsound uni graduates. I gave met many unsound poly graduates. I have met a few good HND holders. You, and not your certificate determine your future.

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Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 11:08am On Jun 24, 2012
x-fire:

Your write up shows an intense and deep bitterness and anger against Nigerian university graduates for no just cause. No hard feelings but a lot of bitter words vented against uni graduates by HND holders arise as a result of inferiority complex. In many cases and arguments that always arise, the poly graduates always start the debate. Even when I was serving, it was the HND holders that always (always and always) start the endless debate.
My own advice is that never you allow your degree, your class of degree, your type of degree, or course, etc to stop you from achieving your dreams. Look beyond the limitations and rise above it.
I have met many unsound uni graduates. I gave met many unsound poly graduates. I have met a few good HND holders. You, and not your certificate determine your future.
Mr man, u've not been following this thread the way i see it. I have studied in both institutions before. I have ND, HND from the polytechnic, and Bsc from the university. I'm talking from experience in my own field, not based on assumption. Little emphasis should be placed on certificates, and more shovld be placed on skills, knowledge and experience. This should be the yardstick for assessing graduates for further studies and employment. All i am saying here is that the undue advantage given to uni graduates should be stopped, and a level playing ground given to all graduates (HND & Bsc). More so, it is not possible that all HND holders are better than all Bsc holders, and all Bsc holders cannot be better than all HND holders. If we all believe this then we all will agree that equal opportunity should be given to all (both HND & Bsc) at all times. Finally inferiority complex does not lead to debates like this, rather a feeling of injustice against the HND holders make them cry out aloud, may be they could be heard and listened to. Inferiority complex can only be displayed by those who think they are not what they are suppose to be, may be because of insufficient training, skills and experience; and because they feel they are not competent enough. You also talked about showing hatred for uni graduates. That's very funny. I am also a uni graduate with good grades, so why should i show hatred to people that have what i have too? I'm only trying to be an unbiased and fair umpire. Please try and read my previous posts on this topic. Thanx for ur contributions.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jun 24, 2012
ishmael: Mr man, u've not been following this thread the way i see it. I have studied in both institutions before. I have ND, HND from the polytechnic, and Bsc from the university. I'm talking from experience in my own field, not based on assumption. Little emphasis should be placed on certificates, and more shovld be placed on skills, knowledge and experience. This should be the yardstick for assessing graduates for further studies and employment. All i am saying here is that the undue advantage given to uni graduates should be stopped, and a level playing ground given to all graduates (HND & Bsc). More so, it is not possible that all HND holders are better than all Bsc holders, and all Bsc holders cannot be better than all HND holders. If we all believe this then we all will agree that equal opportunity should be given to all (both HND & Bsc) at all times. Finally inferiority complex does not lead to debates like this, rather a feeling of injustice against the HND holders make them cry out aloud, may be they could be heard and listened to. Inferiority complex can only be displayed by those who think they are not what they are suppose to be, may be because of insufficient training, skills and experience; and because they feel they are not competent enough. You also talked about showing hatred for uni graduates. That's very funny. I am also a uni graduate with good grades, so why should i show hatred to people that have what i have too? I'm only trying to be an unbiased and fair umpire. Please try and read my previous posts on this topic. Thanx for ur contributions.
The basis of training BSc and HND graduates is quite different. We all know that. One should be more theoretically inclined while the other should be more practically inclined. For instance, the requirement for entry level in HND is 4 credits unlike BSc which is 5 credits. Also, there is also a wide gap in qualifications of lecturers in both institutions. For instance, I know corp members who taught in federal polytechnics and colleges of education during their service year. This can not happen in a university (at least I am yet to hear of any). Also, the universities boast of good number of PhD holders and professors. In most cases, lecturers in polytechnic have masters degree at the very best. In some cases, the only PhD holder some polytechnics can boast of is their rector!!!! Thus, eventhough the level of research in Nigeria is below par, in comparative analysis, you can't compare the level of research and academic breakthrough in a university with that of a polytechnic.
Apart from this, the brightest students go the universities, meaning that universities are generally more competitive. This increases your exposure Competition also has a way of fostering self-development.
Granted, the standard of education in Nigeria is low. But on a general note, an average federal university in Nigeria has a higher standard than an average federal polytechnic. Same for the state universities and polytechnic.
On a personal note, I have met VERY MANY good university graduates but I have interacted with only few sound polytechnic graduates. I think it all boils down to level of exposure, inferioriy complex and lack of self development.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 1:03pm On Jun 24, 2012
x-fire:

The basis of training BSc and HND graduates is quite different. We all know that. One should be more theoretically inclined while the other should be more practically inclined. For instance, the requirement for entry level in HND is 4 credits unlike BSc which is 5 credits. Also, there is also a wide gap in qualifications of lecturers in both institutions. For instance, I know corp members who taught in federal polytechnics and colleges of education during their service year. This can not happen in a university (at least I am yet to hear of any). Also, the universities boast of good number of PhD holders and professors. In most cases, lecturers in polytechnic have masters degree at the very best. In some cases, the only PhD holder some polytechnics can boast of is their rector!!!! Thus, eventhough the level of research in Nigeria is below par, in comparative analysis, you can't compare the level of research and academic breakthrough in a university with that of a polytechnic.
Apart from this, the brightest students go the universities, meaning that universities are generally more competitive. This increases your exposure Competition also has a way of fostering self-development.
Granted, the standard of education in Nigeria is low. But on a general note, an average federal university in Nigeria has a higher standard than an average federal polytechnic. Same for the state universities and polytechnic.
On a personal note, I have met VERY MANY good university graduates but I have interacted with only few sound polytechnic graduates. I think it all boils down to level of exposure, inferioriy complex and lack of self development.
My brother all these things u mentioned put together don't produce sound and competent uni graduates. What u are yet to discover is that the polytechnic curriculum is a refinement of that of the university, and that is why even with only Degree and Msc holders teaching in the polytechnics they still come out with the skills and experience industries need. Unlike the university graduates that come out with a certificate which he uses as an undue advantage over the poly graduates. The name "university" in nigeria is seen as the alpha and omega of higher institutions. Let's not forget that colleges & polytechnics in other countries also award degrees up to PhD level. Let all ur Lecturers from 100 level to 500 be profs for each course u take, it still does not make any significant impact than it has not made on the uni graduates. The uni curriculum is a set back. That of the poly is better technically. Because of the knowledge i got from the polytechnic the Bsc program was a walk over for me. Atleast i was among the top 5% in my class at the end of graduation. Thanx to my old poly notes that i used. I need to correct a wrong impression i discovered in u. Kaduna poly and YabaTech are bigger and better equipped than many federal universities. Only the 1st generation federal universities can compare themselves with them. You can find out this for urself by asking questions. ABU zaria which is one of the biggest, finest and well equipped in nigeria is slightly bigger and better than kadpoly, if u care to know. Regards my man.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by tanimola22: 3:15pm On Jun 24, 2012
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ishmael: Let's get it straight. Stats method gives u the stats concept needed to do stats analyses. Its concepts are applied to solving problems in industrial stats and quality control. Topics in industrial stats includes process/product control, control chart techniques, acceptance sampling, inventory, etc. Statistical computing on the other hand is different from statistics lab practicals where u use packages such as spss, minitab, excel, etc for stats analysis. It is the interface between computer science and statistics. It teaches u how to develop ur own algorithm and programs to solve mathematical and statistical problems. It includes topics like random numbers & simulation, numerical methods of solving eqns, numerical linear algebra, kernel density functions, and algorithms & programming. In statistical computing, the algorithm and programming you do is mathematical using programming languages like Fortran, pascal, c++, matlab, sas, stata, etc.

Hi,

Thank you for breaking things down. In my class, we did not do the highlighted (Fotran and Pascal) because we thought they were just too antidulivian. The others were learnt and known.

And we built algorithm and wrote codes and did many more of the things you stated..

Thanks though...

T22.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 4:37pm On Jun 24, 2012
tanimola22: [b][/b]

Hi,

Thank you for breaking things down. In my class, we did not do the highlighted (Fotran and Pascal) because we thought they were just too antidulivian. The others were learnt and known.

And we built algorithm and wrote codes and did many more of the things you stated..

Thanks though...

T22.
You are welcome. As a mathematician i know u will be familiar with these. I like discussing issues like this with mathematicians & statisticians; they always make meaningful contributions.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Nadoson: 8:13am On Jul 26, 2012
Mr X-fire. Ur talkin as if ur in dispute wit HND grads. Let me educate u smal, graduaitn 4rm a uni doznt min dat ur good. Do u knw dat educationl system in Poly is mor stressful & ellaborated 2 versitys?. 4 instanc, year 1 & 2 stdnts of uni uz 2 do secondary schl courses yl Poly wil introduc u 2 a new & advanc cours durin ur year 1.
*Anoda, wen i woz in CAD & CAM / ROBOTICS LAB in a poly, cud u blv dat d lectura who also uz 2 teach in 1 of d versitys says he mentiond of CNC MACHINE in d versity engineern depatmt & no 1 undstds wot he meant by CNC.
X-fire, do u tink dt u cn stand or compete a poly grad. Evin in ur field? NO, Dia r brighta 1ns in both institutn & rmba dat CERTIFICATE is odnary paper 2 compare 2 wot u cn do 2 b creative or inovative.
* Anoda zmpl, wen i woz on (IT) @ 7up comp. in dia engrin dpmt, i wokd wit ol d machines witout a supevisor bt cud u blv dt a guy 4rm versity den 4rm d same field cud nt defend himsef as an engnr & waz snt away cos of his lack of skills. So my broda dnt discriminate rada try 2 knw wot ur bin traind 4. Dnt take it dat i stopd as a HND hoda.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 8:51am On Jul 26, 2012
Nadoson: Mr X-fire. Ur talkin as if ur in dispute wit HND grads. Let me educate u smal, graduaitn 4rm a uni doznt min dat ur good. Do u knw dat educationl system in Poly is mor stressful & ellaborated 2 versitys?. 4 instanc, year 1 & 2 stdnts of uni uz 2 do secondary schl courses yl Poly wil introduc u 2 a new & advanc cours durin ur year 1.
*Anoda, wen i woz in CAD & CAM / ROBOTICS LAB in a poly, cud u blv dat d lectura who also uz 2 teach in 1 of d versitys says he mentiond of CNC MACHINE in d versity engineern depatmt & no 1 undstds wot he meant by CNC.
X-fire, do u tink dt u cn stand or compete a poly grad. Evin in ur field? NO, Dia r brighta 1ns in both institutn & rmba dat CERTIFICATE is odnary paper 2 compare 2 wot u cn do 2 b creative or inovative.
* Anoda zmpl, wen i woz on (IT) @ 7up comp. in dia engrin dpmt, i wokd wit ol d machines witout a supevisor bt cud u blv dt a guy 4rm versity den 4rm d same field cud nt defend himsef as an engnr & waz snt away cos of his lack of skills. So my broda dnt discriminate rada try 2 knw wot ur bin traind 4. Dnt take it dat i stopd as a HND hoda.
That's ok.
 
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by greatgeo(m): 3:08pm On Dec 24, 2012
Well you all have said it all the good thing is that there is hope for the hnd holders. I just finished my hnd in elect/elect (lcp)but would like to do master directly in any ict field outside naija which country would you advice me to look for and can also at an afordable tution fee.nathetelgeo@yahoo.com
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by TableLeg(m): 3:10pm On Dec 24, 2012
Never too late to acquire further knowledge .... The sky is the limit!
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by burrytee(m): 6:02am On Dec 25, 2012
Pls cn anyone help me out wit ds one.hw authentic is university of south africa(unisa) topup btech accpted in nigeria?pls has anyone in d house run such prg.pls i need 2no,cos am plannin 2run it.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by 2sexy(m): 9:41am On Dec 25, 2012
Nadoson: Mr X-fire. Ur talkin as if ur in dispute wit HND grads. Let me educate u smal, graduaitn 4rm a uni doznt min dat ur good. Do u knw dat educationl system in Poly is mor stressful & ellaborated 2 versitys?. 4 instanc, year 1 & 2 stdnts of uni uz 2 do secondary schl courses yl Poly wil introduc u 2 a new & advanc cours durin ur year 1.
*Anoda, wen i woz in CAD & CAM / ROBOTICS LAB in a poly, cud u blv dat d lectura who also uz 2 teach in 1 of d versitys says he mentiond of CNC MACHINE in d versity engineern depatmt & no 1 undstds wot he meant by CNC.
X-fire, do u tink dt u cn stand or compete a poly grad. Evin in ur field? NO, Dia r brighta 1ns in both institutn & rmba dat CERTIFICATE is odnary paper 2 compare 2 wot u cn do 2 b creative or inovative.
* Anoda zmpl, wen i woz on (IT) @ 7up comp. in dia engrin dpmt, i wokd wit ol d machines witout a supevisor bt cud u blv dt a guy 4rm versity den 4rm d same field cud nt defend himsef as an engnr & waz snt away cos of his lack of skills. So my broda dnt discriminate rada try 2 knw wot ur bin traind 4. Dnt take it dat i stopd as a HND hoda.
nice one there bro... But I have to stress further that you should do away with this disgusting abbreviation you have indulge in. It will do you a whole world of good because you never know when you will write something and you could unconsciously put a dent by abbreviating.

Thanks all the same. I am a poly grad as well.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by japans: 11:46am On Feb 06, 2013
Greetings, can any one help with information on Uni in US that accept HND marketing for MSc/MBA/MA Marketing.

I graduated with a Distinction Honours (3.62) on a four (4.00) scale. I have a professional diploma in Marketing of chartered institute of marketing (level 6) UK and presently doing the Chartered postgraduate stage (level 7).

Will appreciate info regard the subject matter with affordable tuition reference.

Thanks

Japans
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Kingscollege(m): 10:52pm On Feb 19, 2013
hassymo5: GUY, Bleep BSC, IM HND HOLDER, THAT WONT STOP ME FROM ACHIEVING NY AIM..... WHAT YOU GONNA BE U GONNA BE WEATHER BSC OR HND OR EVEN ND, OND, CERT, FORGET, I DEY WITH MA HND WILL GO 4 PDG, MSC, PHD, Bleep BSC, IM GONNA MAKE IT WITHOUT A BSC, MOST OF OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT BSC HOLDERS, OBJ WAS NOT A BSC HOLDER, SOME GOVERNORS ARE NOT BSC HOLDERS, GUYS WEATHER BSC OR HND SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD ANY ANY OTHER THING WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU, I SEEK GOD AND HE GAVE A JOB AT NVRI ALOT OF BSC HOLDERS DEY MA AREAS BUT GOD CHOOSE ME FOR THE JOB, BSC AND HND Bleep THEM, WE CANNOT ALL BE DOCTORS, NURSES, ENGINEERS, ACCOUNTANTS, OUR CHIEF ACCOUNTANT IS A HND HOLDER SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, AS FOR ME I THANK GOD FOR MY HND AND I REMAIN GREATFUL!!!!
THANK U MY BROTHER , I AM A HND HOLDER AND AM DOING WELL INFACT AMONG ALL UNI GRAD OFWHICH WE DID INEC EMPLOYMENT TOGETHER, I WAS D ONLY POLY GRAD AND I THANK GOD TO SAY I AM D ONLY1 GIVEN D INEC JOB ON GRAD LEVEL 08.. SO B IT UNI OR POLY IT IS GOD DAT HELP!
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by cruxifixo: 3:10am On Mar 09, 2013
let me add an interesting dimension. do you know that if you go the route of HND, MSC, PhD u can never be aaccepted to lecture in a Nigeria university because of that HND.

As you can see, there are certain jobs you cannot get in Nigeria, even with your PhD.

My advice? dump or convert that HND to Bsc as soon as you can.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by ishmael(m): 9:57pm On Mar 09, 2013
cruxifixo: let me add an interesting dimension. do you know that if you go the route of HND, MSC, PhD u can never be aaccepted to lecture in a Nigeria university because of that HND.

As you can see, there are certain jobs you cannot get in Nigeria, even with your PhD.

My advice? dump or convert that HND to Bsc as soon as you can.
Not really true! I have a friend who lectures in a 1st gen uni here in nigeria without having a Bsc. He has ND, HND, PGD, Msc, and PhD. He got d job with his Msc to enable him do a PhD programme. He bagged the PhD while lecturing in the same uni.
Re: HND Holders: How Late Is Too Late For A BSc? by Montalo(m): 2:49pm On Mar 10, 2013
And the Bsc/Hnd brouhaha continues. All these discrimination issue is as a result of having olodos managing the education sector. They have failed to fix and upgrade the Hnd system. Whether Bsc/Hnd, what matters is the individual output. The uni system that should be doing researches are not productive at all. The poly system that should be giving us technologies are all sick. Most skills you see Nigerians exhibit today, are as a result of special training they obtained either from overseas or specialised institutes and not Bsc/Hnd. Instead of bragging rights, I think we should focus more on productivity like the chinese and the government should do some amendments and put an end to this certificate warfare. To all poly graduates, don't ever let this Nigeria certificate warfare hinder your dreams in life. Just move ahead and obtain PGD, Msc and Phd if you wish, then find a way and have your own firm established after getting the appropriate experience. Thank you.
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