Image123:
The Bible does not say anywhere that the Levites were abolished.

Goshen360: @ Jem1,

No worry. Just leave Image123 to answer my questions. All things (Abraham tithe or levitical tithe) will be taken care of in my questions. Just siddon dey look. We still dey Q4. Am waiting for Image123 to now answer the question Q4.

Image123: @Jem1
i almost forgot to chip in that your vex against any passage of scripture(in this case Malachi 3) is uncalled for. i don't recall even making a reference to that passage, or perhaps your post wasn't addressed to me?

nuclearboy: Image123:

Everyone is asking questions and since I answered yours, let me ask some too that will aid viewers understand what is happening here

What do you do for a living?

Are you a pastor or aspiring pastor?

Is tithe(s) your primary (or secondary) source of income?

Why are you lying and refusing to answer simple questions directly IF INDEED you truly believe your position is right?

Is it righteous or holy to avoid honesty and dance about issues? which of Jesus or His Apostles behaved like this?

Only 5 questions but readers will see through you!

nuclearboy: Image123:

Everyone is asking questions and since I answered yours, let me ask some too that will aid viewers understand what is happening here

What do you do for a living?

Are you a pastor or aspiring pastor?

Is tithe(s) your primary (or secondary) source of income?

Why are you lying and refusing to answer simple questions directly IF INDEED you truly believe your position is right?

Is it righteous or holy to avoid honesty and dance about issues? which of Jesus or His Apostles behaved like this?

Only 5 questions but readers will see through you!

Pastor Kun:

Are you being deliberately ignorant with this kind of fraudulent answer?

Image123:
You've chosen to be ignorant and proudly so. Where does the Bible say that Levites were abolished? It's not my fault that Goshen asked a wrong question and refused to humbly correct himself. Next question Goshen abi, e don finish be that? If i use one line answer question, dey go say na fraudulent. If i pass one line, they go accuse me of dancing. This guys go harsh pass Saduccees o.

Image123:
i made the deal, and it's not in the deal that I would answer your question(s). Nonetheless, i'll answer this though you've already known the answers before but refused to know.
1). i do not wish to disclose my private life, but i'm a civil servant.
2). i'm not a pastor, neither do i aspire to be one.
3).no
4). i'm not lying, and i've answered ALL the questions that i agreed to answer.
5). No, is it? Because i also feel that's what you guys are doing. Is it?

nuclearboy: Image:

There is NO question you asked that anyone danced around! After answering even the ones you asked me, you wanted clarification and I again answered!

And the Goshen question issue is sad! You knew he meant the "priesthood" but legalistically insisted that it was the levites he said were abolished!

That is dishonest!

Btw, do you by any chance work in the petroleum ministry, NNPC or police pensions? They will appreciate your talents in those places!

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Pastor Kun: Chei dis kweshion 5 is tooooo hot oo! Me sef I no fit ansa am over to you apostle Image

Image123: This shows a poor, v.poor understanding of tithes and tithing. As usual, i leave kunle to his blindness.

Image123: And goshen, i see you improvised. Your questions now have children, hopefully the remaining may even have g.children. How fruitful and duplicitous. BTW, your (a) question is not clear or comprehensible enough.

9lifes: I have achieved more after i stop paying tithe 6 yrs ago.I am still waiting for the worms,i buy plenty insecticides,and i am still enjoying my God.

Read your bible people?

Image123:
Some atheists have a better 'testimony' since they stopped believing in God, they are right no? i find non-tithers more materialistic than tithers. Coincidence?

Enigma:

Now now now! From experience and observation, I will go as far as saying that the bolded is a gross untruth ----- a major falsehood.

1. Most tithers, especially in Pentecostal/Charismatic circles, tithe for material reasons! They are hoping/believing that by "tithing" they will be "blessed", 'devourer' will be 'rebuked' etc.

2. You will find that deliberate and considered "non-tithers" in general are not motivated by material gains for their position; otherwise they too will go with the "I want to be blessed so I must tithe" herd.

3. I will also claim that a considerable number, arguably the majority, of "tithers" do NOT do it because they love God; we would have seen them show that they love God if they are in the habit of following what God and Jesus said about how to show you love God. The fellow who attends church on a Sunday and "pays" his tithe while there [b]but cannot spare 10 or 20 naira for the poor beggar [/b]outside the church is not necessarily demonstrating love for God!

Jem1:

You are talking about 10 or 20 naira for the poor beggar, I read some 'tither' on Nairaland advice that even if your child is ill and dying, on no account must you use Pastor's Tithe (Levitical Tithe) for hospital bills. That's how entrenched and vice-like the hold of fear and bondage is

Image123: 5e). God gave the Levites the tithe of israel FOR their service to God, not because He excluded them from owning land. Goshen!
i don't really get your 'exclusion from not owning land' bit. The Levites had CITIES to dwell in. They were to fully concentrate on God's service, and not to busy themselves with sowing and harvest like other tribes. That's the part/bit that i know. But and if you insist, we are new testament christians and not subject to 'do not own land' laws. Acts 4.36,37 Joses was a Levite and a new testament christian. He owned land and even sold it. There's no such condition of which you speak, at least not in the NT which i operate in. Be 'berean christians' guys, not just winners of points and arguments. Truth hurts less with time.

Goshen360:
QUESTION 5
(a) According to Hebrews 7:9-10, Did LEVI who RECEIVES tithes also PAID tithes "in and through" Abraham?

Goshen360:

Hebrew 7:9-10 reads,

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

AND THE QUESTION READS

5(a) [size=15pt]Did[/size] LEVI who RECEIVES tithes also PAID tithes in and through Abraham?

Answer YES or NO. 5(a) It's a YES or NO question but if you have explanation to be added to your answer, it's allowed.

Image123: @Goshen
5a). A comprehension test? You must be in the spirit of the ongoing wassce. What's this question got to do with anything except to catch me in my words, hypocrital. ARRIVAL Hebrews 7. Well let's make some foundations and note the basics in Hebrews 7. If you read from verse1-8, you'd SEE that before Levi, there was a priest/clergy/spiritual leader. AND before Levi, there was tithe. I'd so love to go into detail but not to irk your cohorts, let's move on. Note the tense used in verse 9 'Levi RECEIVETH tithes'. Receiveth is not past tense, it's continuous present abi na future continuous(Debo, which one?). The verse ABOLISHES your claims that there is no more receipt of tithes. The writer of this epistle saw tithe as a present continuous thing to do, else He would have said "Levi also, who RECEIVED tithes".
The verse then says Levi paid tithes IN Abraham i.e just like we all sinned IN Adam.

Goshen360:

QUESTION 5
(b) According to Hebrews 7: 11-12, Was the LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD and ITS LAW CHANGED OR NOT?

Image123: 5b). Good of you, you amended your error. i wish you could do that more often. Levites cannot be abolished, at least not from the Bible. They are a tribe in Israel, and we still see them in the future in Revelations 7. Maybe/it appears you people don't know the meaning of 'abolish'. Abolish means put an end to. e.g like slave trade abolished. It's not the same thing as 'change'. Like i can change from channel1 to channel2. That's different from abolishing channel1. We shouldn't just use big grammar to confuse ourselves. The Levitical priesthood was changed not abolished. The KJV talks of abolishing idols, even righteousness, works, enmity, death. It never mentions abolishing the Levitical priesthood, what we see is change. Note again, tithe is not a subset of Levi, it existed before Levi. Priests/clergy/ministers are not a subset of Levi, they existed before Levi.

Goshen360:
QUESTION 5
(c) If you claim that the Levi, its Levi-tical Priesthood and Laws still exist today in the body of Christ (remember this Levi is one who functions in the levitical preisthood, who receives and paid tithes in/through Abraham v9-10), WHY IS IT NOT CALLED ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF AARON (Heb 7:11) BUT ACCORDING TO THE TRIBE OF JUDAH (Heb 7:13-14)?

Image123: 5c). i didn't make such claims. i said we still have God's ministers working full-time and that it's no more limited to a tribe. We still have an High Priest, albeit an unchangeable one Jesus, of the tribe of Judah. Today, you can be black and non-Jew and still work for God full-time, that's NT. It's no more the exclusive preserve of the tribe of Levi or the house of Aaron. Today, Jesus still RECEIVETH tithes Hebrews 7v8.
"And here men that die receive tithes; [b]but there HE RECEIVETH THEM, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth."[/b] (Hebrews 7:.

Goshen360:
QUESTION 5
(d) According to Hebrews 7 :13-14. Jesus arose from the tribe of Judah which makes it clear that even Jesus nor anyone from His tribe was not eligible to receive or collect tithes because He was not from the tribe of levi who were commanded to receive and pay tithe. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS BIBLE TRUTH? if you don't agree with this bible truth, kindly state your reason(s)

Image123: 5d). Hebrews 7.8 clearly says that Jesus receives tithes and is eligible to. God is not a man, neither is He Moses. He receiveth continually and continuously, or as in soccer parlance `tithe4life`. Hebrews 7v13-14 say nothing about tithes. You can check all the versions and language bibles you can lay hands on. You're adding to the Word again, why?

Goshen360:
QUESTION 5
(e) As a PRECONDITION to the Levites accepting/inheriting the tithes, God EXCLUDED them from OWNING LAND in Israel because tithe is given to them as their inheritance. WHY IS "NOT OWNING LAND" NOT PRACTICED TO FULFILL THE CONDITIONS FOR RECEIVING TITHE OR WHY DO TITHE TEACHERS/PREACHERS OWN LAND/BUILD HOUSES YET STILL RECEIVE TITHE - Is this part of God's ordinance being practised in today's tithe doctrine?

Image123: 5e). God gave the Levites the tithe of israel FOR their service to God, not because He excluded them from owning land. Goshen!
i don't really get your 'exclusion from not owning land' bit. The Levites had CITIES to dwell in. They were to fully concentrate on God's service, and not to busy themselves with sowing and harvest like other tribes. That's the part/bit that i know. But and if you insist, we are new testament christians and not subject to 'do not own land' laws. Acts 4.36,37 Joses was a Levite and a new testament christian. He owned land and even sold it. There's no such condition of which you speak, at least not in the NT which i operate in. Be 'berean christians' guys, not just winners of points and arguments. Truth hurts less with time.

Pastor Kun:

I had wanted to restrain from commenting on Image's answer but I just have to make this one. God clearly stated in scriptures that the Levites were entitled to tithes becos they had no inheritance in the land and the scriptures below prove it.

Deuteronomy 14:27
27[b] And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee[/b].

Deuteronomy 12:12
12 And ye shall rejoice before Jehovah your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your men- servants, and your maid- servants, and the Levite that is within your gates, [b]forasmuch as he hath no portion nor inheritance with you.[\b]

Image123: 5c). Today, Jesus still RECEIVETH tithes Hebrews 7v8.
"And here men that die receive tithes; but there HE RECEIVETH THEM, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:.

Image123: 5d). Hebrews 7.8 clearly says that Jesus receives tithes and is eligible to. God is not a man, neither is He Moses. He receiveth continually and continuously, or as in soccer parlance `tithe4life`.