BlueDiva:
You are a cu.nt for coming up with such silly excuse.

El Guapo:
One of the Big Reasons i Keep Saying this Fella has gone Barm!

lalaboi:
HMm
prof, Have you got any hypothesis as to how Ashley young went flying like he had propellers attached to his hack?

lalaboi:

HMm
prof, Have you got any hypothesis as to how Ashley young went flying like he had propellers attached to his hack?

nateevs:


If by not calling a spade a spade, you refer to me, (as I don't see anyone else on the other side of this debate) then you got it wrong . . . again.
I am not saying you or Ibime is wrong by calling out Hazard's lack of defending. What I am opposing is the use of the word, we cannot "carry" Hazard.

Also to blame Hazard as the "sole cause" of the loss is absolutely and utterly ridiculous. That's my point.

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Hazard's come from a background of light defending as well as being the most important member of his team. Everything went through him at Lille.
He won't get it in a day, maybe not even a season. He will get it though as the likes of Mata and Oscar who as equally as talent get it.

debosky: ^^ y'all seem to be missing the point.

Ibime is saying if he is making these errors consistently, then maybe he should be benched for a game or two - the reason he hasn't been benched (according to Ibime) is because there's no ready 'tiki-taka' replacement on the bench.

Being benched to reinforce a lesson isn't a bad thing and that's all Ibime is calling for - if the Belgian national team coach thinks it's necessary then why not at Chelski?

debosky: ^^ y'all seem to be missing the point.

Ibime is saying if he is making these errors consistently, then maybe he should be benched for a game or two - the reason he hasn't been benched (according to Ibime) is because there's no ready 'tiki-taka' replacement on the bench.

Being benched to reinforce a lesson isn't a bad thing and that's all Ibime is calling for - if the Belgian national team coach thinks it's necessary then why not at Chelski?

I Know that too Well bro but irrespective of the fact he's got such Flaws, his ability to cause Opposition's Defenses Problems mustn't be Overlooked and that's what we crave much Now.

He's a Nice guy for Me that needs to learn, Benching wont do any Good.

FBS:

Maybe your command of this language will help nateevs understand what we are on about.

The Nateevs i know got the Point well when Ibime brought it Up! The Friction Generated Outta Arguments sometimes Irk me Off

debosky: ^^ y'all seem to be missing the point...Ibime is saying if he is making these errors consistently, then maybe he should be benched for a game or two - the reason he hasn't been benched (according to Ibime) is because there's no ready 'tiki-taka' replacement on the bench.

Being benched to reinforce a lesson isn't a bad thing and that's all Ibime is calling for - if the Belgian national team coach thinks it's necessary then why not at Chelski?

FBS:
Sometimes, I just wonder if reading or understanding or both is a problem for you? By calling a spade a spade meant saying it as it is. I never said Hazard solely cost us the game and never said we cannot afford to "carry" him along - do yourself a favor and re-read what I said/wrote.
Yesterday was not the first time he lost the ball that finally resulted into a goal against us. Telling a player to defend be it messi or ronaldo or any other player for that matter is certainly not out of place. I even made it clear that I'm sure that he will learn with time.
You were the same person always screaming each time Drogba lost the ball (none of which actually resulted in a goal) -
So Mr, what's up with your double standard? what exactly are you against?

nateevs:
I am not saying you or Ibime is wrong by calling out Hazard's lack of defending. What I am opposing is the use of the word, we cannot "carry" Hazard.

Ibime: So despite all yarns, he cost us the game today.

I am not saying he should not defend
Like I pointed out previously, I am not for any player who cannot put in a shift.
He won't get it in a day, maybe not even a season. He will get it though as the likes of Mata and Oscar who are equally as talented get it.

FBS: oga nateevs, abeg shift and relocate. na who you dey blow grammar for?
no one is showing nada aggression here but believe me, its annoying when simple comprehension is beyond your grasp!
Not only that I said let's call a spade a spade - but for some whatever reasons you conjured up in your head, you decided I was referring to you? how did you come up with that?

if you ain't sure of who said what - you either re-read or ask. It's that simple. And for the record, I don't insult.

nateevs:
Dude if do you not believe that there is a massive difference between "Let's call a spade a spade" (what you thought you said) and "Why can't we call a spade a spade" (which is actually what you said), then you need to visit Debosky every night for grammar lessons.

BlueDiva: Too much grammar for hia.
Ain't both of you saying the same thing?

Leave Hazard alone.
Center backs should be defenders, tell Cahill and Luiz to stop going forward.

coogar:

full backs nko?
valencia murdered ashley cole throughout first half!

dayokanu: Nateevs double standards getting called out again by someone not named Dayokanu

His godson Torres has been a complete waste so far and he is still yarning megedefegede. They got Torres all the support any striker could ever wish for

Sold Drogba, Anelka, Kalou (Lukaku)

Benched lampard. Played Mata Oscar Hazard behind him yet the DUD cant still hit water if thrown off a boat

so_icy_boi: ur point exactly...?

From 1990, Chelsea went 16 years without losing a league game to Tottenham, their dominance so pronounced that Chelsea fans knew Spurs' ground as 'Three-Point Lane'.
Then, on Bonfire Night 2006, everything changed. Jose Mourinho's Chelsea were beaten 2-1 at White Hart Lane and captain John Terry was sent off by Graham Poll.

Terry's dismissal sparked a furious reaction from Mourinho and his players, who launched a campaign to discredit the referee. Poll explains how the FA's failure to defend him was a major factor in his decision to quit refereeing at the end of that season. Chelsea had drawn a controversial Champions League game at Barcelona a few days earlier and arrived at Tottenham in a bad mood.

It was obvious in the early stages of the game that Jose had been up to his tricks and that his players were going to be difficult to control.

I sent off John Terry for two yellow cards, the second when he hauled down Ledley King. Terry came to see me immediately after the game, the first time in my career any player had done that.

He seemed happy to accept my explanation of the two yellow cards. But the day after the game Ashley Cole accused me of having told Chelsea's players I wanted to 'teach them a lesson' and Terry said I had said one thing to him on the pitch and another in the dressing room after the game.

These two claims were as damaging as they were ridiculous but Brian Barwick (then FA chief executive) and the FA failed to stand up for me and, by extension, failed to stand up for the integrity of referees up and down the country.

A fortnight later Chelsea withdrew all of their allegations against me and Terry was fined £10,000 for what he had claimed. But I was still dismayed at the way the FA had reacted and that dismay contributed to my decision to retire.

The sad thing is that the whole furore overshadowed what was a magnificent performance by Tottenham.

coogar:

the only good delivery torres got yesterday produced a magnificent save from de gea.....
compare the crisp passes valencia kept laying on van persie's feet to the scraps torres got before his sending off and your useless rants up there would embarrass you!

dayokanu:

Less than a year ago you all claimed malouda, Sturridge, lampard and Drogba are the problems with Torres and once they are out Torres would start scoring

Infact When it was only Hazard, mata and Lampard, Nateevs singled out Lampard as the only one in the starting 11 that was hindering Torres.

Now Lampard is out Sturridge , Drogba Malouda and we have extremely technical players yet Torres still doesnt get goals

Now tell us why Torres has continued to be a failure in close to 2 yrs at Chelsea?

coogar:


get out of here, you ascaris worm!
when did you join nairaland to have the audacity to quote me? speak to me only when you are spoken to!

dayokanu:

Less than a year ago you all claimed malouda, Sturridge, lampard and Drogba are the problems with Torres and once they are out Torres would start scoring

Infact When it was only Hazard, mata and Lampard, Nateevs singled out Lampard as the only one in the starting 11 that was hindering Torres.

Now Lampard is out Sturridge , Drogba Malouda and we have extremely technical players yet Torres still doesnt get goals

Now tell us why Torres has continued to be a failure in close to 2 yrs at Chelsea?

coogar:

shut up your mouth and stop arguing against logic
hazard and oscar joined only this season - or were they here in the last 2 seasons? so what's the basis of demanding blood for torres when the team/system/manager/tactics keep changing? he needs time to understand the new recruits - which can only be achieved by more games! it's a tad idiotic to blame torres for what has happened before this season - think before you speak!

nateevs: Hehehe!. I already know you won't find the answer to the question I am about to ask.
Can you find the link - any link at all - where I stated that Lamapard is the "only" hindrance to Torres.

dayokanu:

You mean this and last season you havent blamed Lampard for Torres inability to score? At least posters on this forum can verify what you said

Now Lampard has been dropped but Mr Torres still cant score. What is the issue now? Or do you also agree with Coogar that the creative Hazard, Mata and Oscar playing behind him are the problems nowadays?

So what is the latest hindrance to Torres that makes him unable to score

9 league games, 3 CL games 12 games, totaling over 1000mins Mr Fernandud has 4 goals thats 1 goal every 250min or 1 goal every 4 hours

dayokanu:
How many seasons have Oscar and hazard spent in Chelsea?
David Luiz, Gary Cahill, Mata, Oscar, Hazard

I.e Half of the Chelsea lineup yesterday joined the team after Torres yet its Torres who needs time

Last season it was Malouda, lampard, Drogba, Kalou Sturridge that were the problem, This season Its now Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Cahill etc

We cant blame Torres for his inability to score last season, We cant blame Torres for his inability this season, Its always the other players, coaches, weather, pitch, economy, sexuality thats to blame never Torres

RVP- 7 goals
Demba Ba 7 goals
Suarez 6 goals
Michu - 6 goals
Defoe , Fletcher, Dzeko Most of these players have worse creative behind them yet still manage to score but never the DUD

coogar:

torres is the one who needs to score - torres is the most marked and his job is the most difficult especially when the creative force behind him rarely feeds him!



the change in personnel couldn't have helped him.....he needs time to gel with OHM to et the best out of him!



play to his strengths and the rest would be history........
look at the services van persie has been getting from team mates. i am yet to see a pin-point cross delivered to torres feet in the 6-yard box this season from the so-called maestros. it's not only about having good players behind you - the good players must also be selfless in service - not looking for cheap glory! valencia and rooney could be shooting from impossible angles too but they would rather find van persie and let him do the finishing!



this comparison is as silly as the person who wrote it because like i have said, the quality of the team-mates means nothing if they are not selfless enough to feed their strikers. ordinary west brom lays it on the plate at least 5 times for lukaku - but chelsea gives torres 1 chance per game. it's a disgrace!

coogar:

torres is the one who needs to score - torres is the most marked and his job is the most difficult especially when the creative force behind him rarely feeds him!



the change in personnel couldn't have helped him.....he needs time to gel with OHM to et the best out of him!



play to his strengths and the rest would be history........
look at the services van persie has been getting from team mates. i am yet to see a pin-point cross delivered to torres feet in the 6-yard box this season from the so-called maestros. it's not only about having good players behind you - the good players must also be selfless in service - not looking for cheap glory! valencia and rooney could be shooting from impossible angles too but they would rather find van persie and let him do the finishing!



this comparison is as silly as the person who wrote it because like i have said, the quality of the team-mates means nothing if they are not selfless enough to feed their strikers. ordinary west brom lays it on the plate at least 5 times for lukaku - but chelsea gives torres 1 chance per game. it's a disgrace!

4llerbuntu:
I Like how you are always revisionist about facts when it comes to torres.

its curious that you cite van persie and service, but you failed to note that van persie has 1000% better football sense, has better movement, can actually hit a ball on goal competently.

when have we ever seen torres make out the kind of space and movement van persie did against chelsea for both goals? would Valencia have passed the ball to VP if he had been 20 meters away outside the box or hiding behind Gary Cahill?

You also failed to note that van persie does not habitually lose the ball, can pass exponentially better, does not look like he takes akamu for breakfast daily.

It beggars belief how you can compare van Persie who has spent 3/4 of his career injured and is still 10X better than torres.

incase you dont understand what you keep trumpeting, u are telling us a striker playing in front of arguably the best attacking midfield trio in football at this point is starved of service?

which quality ball do you want again? if at all you are correct, the first rule to receiving is that you in position to actually do so.

LIKE I HAVE TOLD YOU COUNTLESS TIMES, CITE EXAMPLES OF INCIDENTS WHERE TORRES WAS OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR A PASS AND HE WAS NOT GIVEN. OR U ALSO EXPECT THE PASSER TO PASS THEN RUN FORWARD TO PUSH THE DEFENDERS AWAY?

BlueDiva: Please coogar, how do we get the best from Torres?
Once and for all, tell us! We already have talented and creative players behind him.

Lecture us on the best formation and tactics to employ.
Let us all settle this Torres issue once and for all. If you make sense i would see reason and stop criticizing him.