Is it really advisable for a christain (d girl) to marry a muslim ( d guy)? Can it work? Given d present situation in naija is it possible Wats ur opinion Even if d muslim is from d west...

matosan: Is it really advisable for a christain (d girl) to marry a muslim ( d guy)? Can it work? Given d present situation in naija is it possible Wats ur opinion Even if d muslim is from d west...

if its a male christian, its fine but i will never support it the other way round.

Why should it be a problem?

Naaaa! They'll only produce more bombers, sorry, babies.

*just kidding though*

matosan: Is it really advisable for a christain (d girl) to marry a muslim ( d guy)? Can it work? Given d present situation in naija is it possible Wats ur opinion Even if d muslim is from d west...

Well, this is the islamic position..

A muslim man that marries a chaste christian/jew must allow his wife practise her faith freely but should raise his kids in Islam.

If the woman is comfortable with that, then they could have a good marriage. It is better to marry someone with good islamic knowledge... Someone that understands the rights of his wife.

The problem would come from family and friends. If there isn't an issue there... Then carry go.

@tbaba
Wen u said he "should raise his kids as muslims" is it a rule? Dat dey wud b muslims? Wat if dey decide to follow d mothers religion? Wud dere b a problem?

matosan: @tbaba
Wen u said he "should raise his kids as muslims" is it a rule? Dat dey wud b muslims? Wat if dey decide to follow d mothers religion? Wud dere b a problem?

Question:

Are you the person in question?

@tbaba
Hmm. Okay. I"m d person in quetn. Just want to know if it"ll cause trouble if d kids decide to b christain... Is there a scripture backing it in d koran dat stipulates d kids have to b muslims

Please do not listen to Tbaba, he lies about his religion. Taquiyya!


It depends on the couple. If the couple are open people, they should have a talk on how they should raise their children and whether the husband or wife wants to convert. My cousin married a Jew. They both decided that they would follow their own faiths separately and they have been marroed for 3 years. They also avoid too much input from external family on faith as well.

What matters above all is your relationship with your husband. Discuss and come to an agreement. If there is love and a commonsense solution that you can agree on, carry go.




However, you should be warned about what the Quran says about interfaith marriage.

matosan: @tbaba
Hmm. Okay. I"m d person in quetn. Just want to know if it"ll cause trouble if d kids decide to b christain... Is there a scripture backing it in d koran dat stipulates d kids have to b muslims

I would suggest that as someone who wants to marry a muslim that you start learning about Islam , Here's a Pdf copy of the Quran,

http://asadullahali.files./2010/09/the_quran.pdf

If you want to marry a muslim, you must be open to the idea that your children will be raised as muslims.... Allah says in the Quran( rough translation)

....The food of the People of the Book (Jews & christians) is lawful for you as your food is lawful for them. So are chaste, believing, women as well as chaste women of the people who were given the Scripture before you (Jews & christians).... (Surah 5:5)

So first of all the condition for marrying a christian is that the person is chaste and believing.

However, there is a difference between one's non-Muslim wife and between one's child from the non-Muslim wife. The wife is a mature adult who has the ability to reason things for herself and then choose her own belief. Her God-given ability to reason implies the freedom to choose her faith. God Almighty says in the Qur'an, "Let whosoever wishes believe, and let whosoever wishes disbelieve." (18:29)

The Quran however tells the muslim:

Believers, guard yourselves and your families against a Fire fuelled by people and stones, over which stand angels, stern and strong; angels who never disobey God’s commands to them, but do as they are ordered (Surah 66:6)

A muslim man is the head of the home, it is his responsibility to bring his children up as muslims... When they become adults, they can choose whatever path they want.

You might find this useful:

https://www.nairaland.com/802617/questions-muslims-those-want-know
http://www.islamswomen.com/index.php

All the best...

[quote author=logicboy01]Please do not listen to Tbaba, he lies about his religion. Taquiyya![/quote

Taquiya is a shia concept... most muslims do not even know what that means.... Stop being silly

[quote author=tbaba1234]

The majority Sunni Muslims rarely found it necessary to hide their beliefs. However, there are examples of practicing Taqiyya among Sunnis where it was necessary.[4] In the Sunni view, denying your faith under duress is "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".

^Again, there is no such term as taqiyya in sunni Islam..... It is a huge sin to lie about your religion.... Stop bringing wikipedia quotes to prove yourself.. What does the scripture say?

Do not mix truth with falsehood, or hide the truth when you know it. (Surah 2:42)

“If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, Let the trustee (Faithfully) discharge His trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it,- His heart is tainted with sin. And God Knoweth all that ye do. (Qur’an, 2:283)”

“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (Qur’an, 4:135)”

Abdullah bin Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Truth leads to piety and piety leads to Jannah. A man persists in speaking the truth till he is enrolled with Allah as a truthful. Falsehood leads to vice and vice leads to the Fire (Hell), and a person persists on telling lies until he is enrolled as a liar”.’

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he is entrusted with something, he betrays that trust.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 33; Muslim, 59)

Hasan bin `Ali (May Allah be pleased with them) said: I remember (these words) from Messenger of Allah (PBUH): “Give up what is doubtful to you for that which is not doubtful; for truth is peace of mind and falsehood is doubt”. [At-Tirmidhi].

Okay. Tnx tbabab.

tbaba1234:

Well, this is the islamic position..

A muslim man that marries a chaste christian/jew must allow his wife practise her faith freely but should raise his kids in Islam.

If the woman is comfortable with that, then they could have a good marriage. It is better to marry someone with good islamic knowledge... Someone that understands the rights of his wife.

The problem would come from family and friends. If there isn't an issue there... Then carry go.

Ok, question for tbaba, What about the other way round: Is it permitted for a muslim lady to marry a christian gentleman?

@ tbaba1234
Pls answer Mr Anony"s quetn. Is it permissible for a muslim girl to marry a christain?
I"m intrested in your response. Want to know....

Hi,

The condition for a muslim man to marry a Jew or a christian woman is that the woman is a chaste believing (Jew or christian) woman; It is not just any christian or any Jew.

In the case of a muslim woman, It is not permitted that she marries a non-muslim not even a Jew or christian....

One of the reasons for this could be that a non-muslim husband does not have the religious obligation to fulfill the rights of his muslim wife...

For Instance, Whatever a muslim woman earns from work belongs exclusively to her... she does not have to contribute to the maintenance of the home if she doesn't want to.... It is the responsibilty of the muslim man to maintain and protect his home...

In addition, a muslim woman does not have to change her family name when she gets married... She keeps the name of her father.

Would she have to prepare pork or serve alcohol? Would she be able to keep up with the prayer, fast in ramadan?

You see, a non-muslim man even with the best of intentions might not be able to give her all her rights as a muslim...

tbaba1234: Hi,

The condition for a muslim man to marry a Jew or a christian woman is that the woman is a chaste believing (Jew or christian) woman; It is not just any christian or any Jew.

In the case of a muslim woman, It is not permitted that she marries a non-muslim not even a Jew or christian....

One of the reasons for this could be that a non-muslim husband does not have the religious obligation to fulfill the rights of his muslim wife...

For Instance, Whatever a muslim woman earns from work belongs exclusively to her... she does not have to contribute to the maintenance of the home if she doesn't want to.... It is the responsibilty of the muslim man to maintain and protect his home...

In addition, a muslim woman does not have to change her family name when she gets married... She keeps the name of her father.

Would she have to prepare pork or serve alcohol? Would she be able to keep up with the prayer, fast in ramadan?

You see, a non-muslim man even with the best of intentions might not be able to give her all her rights as a muslim...

This has to be a joke. Please, tell me that this is not meant to be taken seriously.
Rights for women and "muslim" in the same paragraph.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master that's all."


Lewis Carroll - Through the Looking Glass.

Zodiac61:
This has to be a joke. Please, tell me that this is not meant to be taken seriously.
Rights for women and "muslim" in the same paragraph.

Muslim women had rights 1400 years ago that modern women only started to enjoy in the last century.

The right to Inheritance, Education and wealth has always been there for the muslim woman.

"You see, a non-muslim man even with the best of intentions might not be able to give her all her rights as a muslim..."


@tbaba1234,
Don't u tink dis view is also shared by d christain?? Can a muslim man give a christain girl all d means for her to practice her religion?
D name issue is also not a cpmplusion in christainity, it depends on both parties. Also as per d food level, a christain we don't forbid anytin wud he allow ha eat pork in his house? A muslim might not also b able to give d christain wife all she needs despite his best intentions...don't u tink so?

matosan: "You see, a non-muslim man even with the best of intentions might not be able to give her all her rights as a muslim..."


@tbaba1234,
Don't u tink dis view is also shared by d christain?? Can a muslim man give a christain girl all d means for her to practice her religion?
D name issue is also not a cpmplusion in christainity, it depends on both parties. Also as per d food level, a christain we don't forbid anytin wud he allow ha eat pork in his house? A muslim might not also b able to give d christain wife all she needs despite his best intentions...don't u tink so?

A muslim man can not restrict his christian/jewish wife from practising the rights of her religion... He has a religious obligation not to do that... As the Quraan says:

There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in God has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. God is all hearing and all knowing. (Surah 2:256)

The analogy you gave is not a good one... A muslim woman eating/cokking pork is doing something that contravenes her faith... Whether a christian eats pork or not, it is not a religious obligation, she can still practise her faith without eating pork...

When it come to things that are strictly religious, he can not impose anything on his wife.

As regards name-change, a muslim woman is supposed to keep her fathers name after marriage.... many change theirs but it is not a correct position/action. She keeps her heritage even after marriage... It is not something to be negotiated.

It is not permissible for anyone to claim to belong to anyone other than his or her father. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allaah…” [al-Ahzaab 33:5].

In conclusion, a muslim man is obliged to allow his wife fulfil her religious obligations; Things like not not cooking pork or drinking alcohol in his house do not affect the religious commitment of a christian woman. On the other hand, a christian/jewish man does not have the same obligation and she might have to compromise on many of her religious duties.

Lol...at the beginning when I was saying not to trust Tbaba, it was like I was hating. The truth eventually comes out.

^You just go around saying nonsense; your case is a sad one...

tbaba1234:

Muslim women had rights 1400 years ago that modern women only started to enjoy in the last century.

The right to Inheritance, Education and wealth has always been there for the muslim woman.

Somebody must have forgotten to tell the Saudis and the Taliban about the rights granted to women by allah 1400 years ago.
Every right women have gained, they have had to fight hard for, against men whose gods have told (and continue to tell) them that women are inferior and that women have been created for the benefit of men.
Why is the testimony of women only worth half of men?
Why are women not allowed to drive in Suadi Arabia?
Why does the taliban (and indeed a lot of islamic societies) dislike the idea of women's education?
Why are women not entitled to equal inheritance as their male siblings?
Why do women have to cover themselves with shapeless bags when they appear in public?
The taliban, only a few days ago, murdered a 22 year woman, for the "crime" of adultery. What happened to the man she slept with?
Do you even believe the lies you come out with, or are you just following the "party" line
The idea that any religion, not to mention islam, being the guarantor of women's rights is nonsence on stilts.

tbaba1234: ^You just go around saying nonsense; your case is a sad one...

You just have to look at the comments here that are exposing your lies. Dont attack me, address the people questioning your comments

There are moderate muslims that will explain their religion for you truthfully. However, Tbaba is a moderate apologist.


This is waht you expect from peeps like Tbaba;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKv9vbJvGkg

Zodiac61:
Somebody must have forgotten to tell the Saudis and the Taliban about the rights granted to women by allah 1400 years ago.
Every right women have gained, they have had to fight hard for, against men whose gods have told (and continue to tell) them that women are inferior and that women have been created for the benefit of men.
Why is the testimony of women only worth half of men?
Why are women not allowed to drive in Suadi Arabia?
Why does the taliban (and indeed a lot of islamic societies) dislike the idea of women's education?
Why are women not entitled to equal inheritance as their male siblings?
Why do women have to cover themselves with shapeless bags when they appear in public?

I hope you are willing to get the answers to these questions and not just up for a debate;

So what does Islam say on women driving &education?

Only Saudi has restrictions on woman driving., It has no basis in Islam since women at the time of the prophet rode horses and camels. Also, at the time when christian europe were debating about whether a woman had a soul we had women scholars and teachers in the Muslim world. 90% of the women in the gulf and arab countries are educated... so i don't know what you mean by hating female education....

On Inheritance, Why does a male sibling get two times?

Well, in Islam , whatever a woman earns belongs to her... She doesn't share it with anyone, She has no responsibility to spend money on her family... A man on the other hand has the responsibility of taking care of his wife and children. His mother, and his unmarried sisters.... The laws of Allah are fair. The man has higher responsibilities financially so gets a higher percentage of the inheritance. At the end of the day, the woman still gains more because she gets to spend her money anyway she wants. Islam has granted women full financial freedom in terms of independence and financial decision making. It is not about degradation of the woman, it is about fairness.

The western woman just got the right of inheritance in the last century, a right a muslim woman has always had...

Testimony

The reason for 2 testimonies to one is stated clearly in the ayat i.e "if one of them forgets, the other reminds her." ... Women sometimes have the tasks of raising children, taking care of a home, holding a job... May Allah bless the women in our lives... These tasks are challenging, Men usually do not do half as much. This has nothing to do with the degradation of women. A woman that carries all of these other duties can be forgiven if she forgets a detail in a case.


Muslims are expected to dress modestly, both men and females.

You see, in Medieval times, Christian scholars criticised Islam for giving Women too much freedom - now they say Islam doesn't give them enough.In Victorian times, Muslims were seen as licentious sex-mad hedonists; now we're seen as self-repressed conservatives. In each time, the criticism against Islam was viewed as rational.

‎"At a time when feudal Europe was riddled with hierarchy, Islam was presented as an anarchic religion that gave too much respect and freedom to menials, such as slaves and women" Karen Armstrong - Historian

The actions of the 'taliban' shooting anyone for adultery is unislamic in the first place and should be condemned by anyone concerned.. The legal hurdles to cross for a conviction for adultery makes it impossible to get a conviction... In the first 1000 years of Islam, we had only 3-4 conviction from people who confessed themselves and bore testimony against themselves. That, it even happens at all today is an aberration and shows that the legal procedures are not being followed.

Have a look at the rape statistics in the world: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes The muslim nations do not suffer from the same rates of rape as in liberal societies.

I hope you are open-minded and willing to learn, we can only have useful discussions that way...

[quote author=tbaba1234]

I hope you are willing to get the answers to these questions and not just up for a debate;

So what does Islam say on women driving &education?

Saudi , the centre and epitome of ISLAM is backward , this is nothing to be proud of , and stop making excuses.

Only Saudi has restrictions on woman driving., It has no basis in Islam since women at the time of the prophet rode horses and camels. Also, at the time when christian europe were debating about whether a woman had a soul we had women scholars and teachers in the Muslim world. 90% of the women in the gulf and arab countries are educated... so i don't know what you mean by hating female education....

Okay they were allowed to ride donkeys and camels in the 7th century , but not cars in the 21st century, I understand.

On Inheritance, Why does a male sibling get two times?

Well, in Islam , whatever a woman earns belongs to her... She doesn't share it with anyone, She has no responsibility to spend money on her family... A man on the other hand has the responsibility of taking care of his wife and children. His mother, and his unmarried sisters.... The laws of Allah are fair. The man has higher responsibilities financially so gets a higher percentage of the inheritance. At the end of the day, the woman still gains more because she gets to spend her money anyway she wants. Islam has granted women full financial freedom in terms of independence and financial decision making. It is not about degradation of the woman, it is about fairness.

Rubbish !

It is a known fact that not only is a woman worth half of a man in Islam she also gets half of what a male gets from an inheritance.

Besides your paradise of sex, makes no provision for the enjoyment of women, except that they will be eternal sex slaves. What a sicko and concocted notion.

The western woman just got the right of inheritance in the last century, a right a muslim woman has always had...

Wrong, a Muslim woman always was entitled to less if any at all.

Testimony

The reason for 2 testimonies to one is stated clearly in the ayat i.e "if one of them forgets, the other reminds her." ... Women sometimes have the tasks of raising children, taking care of a home, holding a job... May Allah bless the women in our lives... These tasks are challenging, Men usually do not do half as much. This has nothing to do with the degradation of women. A woman that carries all of these other duties can be forgiven if she forgets a detail in a case.

Lol. , surely the above cannot make sense.

^You said nothing that made sense... smh

@tbaba1234,
I do not know whether to laugh or cry at your response to my questions.
Let us just say that your so-called justifications of inequalities in islam are pitiful.
It would be better if you just acknowledge that islam considers women to be inferior to men.
Your justification for the evidence of woman being worth half of that of a man is priceless.

Testimony

The reason for 2 testimonies to one is stated clearly in the ayat i.e "if one of them forgets, the other reminds her." ... Women sometimes have the tasks of raising children, taking care of a home, holding a job... May Allah bless the women in our lives... These tasks are challenging, Men usually do not do half as much. This has nothing to do with the degradation of women. A woman that carries all of these other duties can be forgiven if she forgets a detail in a case.

Priceless. In most islamic societies, woman do not work outside the home. And of course, men in islam do not forget "a detail in a case".

The actions of the 'taliban' shooting anyone for adultery is unislamic in the first place and should be condemned by anyone concerned.. The legal hurdles to cross for a conviction for adultery makes it impossible to get a conviction... In the first 1000 years of Islam, we had only 3-4 conviction from people who confessed themselves and bore testimony against themselves. That, it even happens at all today is an aberration and shows that the legal procedures are not being followed.

Are the taliban not muslims? Do they use the koran as authority for what they do? In case you do not know, when the woman was being murdered, one of the taliban there said "this is the will of allah". Are you saying that he is not muslim? This smacks of "The No True Scotsman" fallacy.

"At a time when feudal Europe was riddled with hierarchy, Islam was presented as an anarchic religion that gave too much respect and freedom to menials, such as slaves and women" Karen Armstrong - Historian

Karen Armstrong is your authority
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, are we??

^ When did karen armstrong become bottom of the barrel... Her book is required reading for most theology courses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Armstrong

So because the taliban does something as muslims, It makes it Islamically correct? People have commited all kinds of atrocities in the name of religion or faith... It does not make it correct. You are building straw-men

The laws are fair for both parties. There is no such thing as being inferior.... Each party has their roles; Islam is based on the fair treatment of both parties. A man is different from a woman in many ways. Women are generally more emotionally sensitive, an attribute that makes them better mothers. No man can fully understand what it takes to bear children.... It is all about fairness

You just need to read a history book to see the role of muslim women as scholars and teachers, At a point, The leading muslim scholar was a woman Fatimah al-Juzadniyyah, Men and women would travel distances to learn from her. Ever heard of Fatimah Sa`d al Khayr? Our history is littered with learned women and scholars at a time when it was unheard of in europe....

There are many ways of interpreting the testimony verse and none of them point to inferiority. Of course, anyone can forget a detail in testimony..

The particular context of the verse is in the case of drafting contracts: In many societies in the past, women were not actively in business transactions. As such, they might not be completely conversant with all that is involved. And it is no fault of theirs, but it is the truth. The corroboration of a second witness in this case helps to ascertain truth. A female testimony from a woman today with a degree in business would definitely carry more weight than a man with no experience in business... Testimony is a means to an end not the end itself. The aim is to ensure that Justice is administered...

Personally, I can't marry a Muslim. Allah forbids it.

I don't consider myself a "true" Christian, I have my selective holy periods. We thank God.