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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:45am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

What law should be used to judge the case

I don't think you understand whatever u have been writing since.

At first u blame d girl for not walking away.

You indirectly accepted mason did it but the girl is older and would have averted d scene using maturity.

You brought in d bible to show even if mason did it..he is right since they are assume as married couple under parental consent..

What is the correlation between what the bible says and what is on ground now knowing fully well they ain't married...

I don't know if you are related to hensben cos u are sounding exactly like him...

You are bringing replies to different points raised to justify your confusion.

When I talk about Greenwood and Ms Robison, I am talking about it from the aspect of societal ill. Not from the aspect of Christianity. Otherwise, both of them should be caned for being in a sexual relationship without marriage. But we live in an imperfect world. So I look at it from that angle. The angle that young people make relationship mistakes. In the world of immorality we created for ourselves, relationships like these ones are like free entry and free exit (break ups now and then). In my faith, in the Catholic church, marriage is till death. But in boyfriend and girlfriend matter, a 20 years old guy cannot be trusted to have decided on his future partner yet.

So now, based on the immoral world, when in a relationship before marriage, you should know that until you hear I do, or taken to the altar, anything can happen. The system doesn't suit people who are too clinging. It is the Christain ways that suit them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:44am On Feb 02, 2022
Ellexy:
How did you arrive at this ratio?

grin grin grin
Both of you can get naked for all I care but if she tells you I'm not doing again, as a guy you dress up and free her to avoid stories that touch. NO is NO. STOP IS STOP.
If your partner is hurt emotionally or physically or otherwise, she might want to be curdled and pampered, doesn't mean your third leg must get action that particularly time. Wisdom has always been profitable to direct and is always justified by her children but it seems Greenwood's foolishness was too strong.
With the way things have gone and is going so far, we might never hear his part. He needs a miracle right now.

The parents understand that these people are young and that young people 20 and 22 years old can make relationship mistakes. We don't know the history or story of their sex language before that short audio. The police will determine the level of abuse or criminal activity in this matter.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:20am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

You are getting more confused bro.


You brought in God's view using the bible as a yardstick.

You said there shouldn't be sex starved in any form.(((*So there is right*)).

U said where u are...they are assume as marriied couple since they live with each other under parental consent.

They onus is on u

You are the one not seeing that you got confused. I saw where you were going to so I went ahead of you to checkmate you.

1. There is God's law
2. There is civil law
3. There is societal acceptable standard (good or evil)

1. In the eyes of God, only married people can be in a sexual relationship. They must not deny each other when one party wants it (assuming both are healthy)
2. Civil law recognises marriage, civil union (boyfriend and girlfriend who register their names with the govt) in some countries, right to freedom of relationship, even if adultery.
3. Society ills accept boyfriend and girlfriend and all the sexual stuff that go with it. In this case, it is easier to walk away from such relationships. But the sex thing is expected by the evil society as happens in marriages.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:06am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

Does mason have right over when to spread her legs

Do people with the ability to get divorce papers from court have the right to when a woman spreads her legs?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:03am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

So according to you now.

Will they need a divorce paper from court b4 going their separate ways

No
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:52pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ellexy:
Since the case na bf/gf matter, I no see need for the Bible quotation but lemme just add that the Bible was addressing both partners and not women only using sex as a weapon.

Yes, but women use it as a weapon like ratio 9.9:0.1

Ellexy:
But then even in marriage, consent is key in relating with each other between reasonable partners, where you seek to please your spouse, rape should never come in the picture at all.

So when your partner is not feeling alright, you don't place your sexual gratification above their physical and emotional welfare and seek to get it by all means by forcing yourself on them. This is even between married folks not to talk of bf/gf matter.

You kind of assume that Greenwood has no common sense not to know what you stated above. So you think Greenwood will go to a girl who is on her period? Or do you think Greenwood will forcefully tear off the clothes of his girlfriend to get to that point? I doubt this. I am trying to reason what could have happened before both of them became naked in the first place.

Ellexy:
I'll also say that Greenwood is the one using sex as a weapon against the poor girl not the other way round, maybe you should check out the psychology of rape.

Let's hear his part. The crucifixion before his own statement is not okay
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:44pm On Feb 01, 2022
Segedinho:

In this case..there is no marriage.

He doesn't own the girl neither does he have any sort of authority over her pusssy.

The 2 things than can probably save mason
are

1)The video was doctored

2)Mason didn't hit her.

Inspite of that .I think his image has been rubbished.

I heard his name has been omitted from fifa21

From God's point of view and judgment, they are fornicators. But in Europe, such relationships endorsed by parents are treated like marriages. The parents visit each other during festivals. A lady friend of mine, she and her boyfriend changed apartment, their parents were helping them to move the properties. I have seen many like that, something far different from the way Nigerian people see boyfriend/girlfriend.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:21pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ellexy:
So did the Bible also say if your partner does not consent/agree or is not feeling fine you should go ahead and rape them?

undecided sad

Bible does not support boyfriend/girlfriend. It is our twisted society. But just to marriage situation, the bible is talking about using sex as a weapon of control over your husband.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

So far, no one's come here to curse Greenwood and rain curses on him. Because of the evidence presented, we're sympathizing with the girl. Which is what a normal human being will do. Not blame the victim and claim innocent till proven guilty.

Do you know how many women around us go through all this shit but can't speak out because of this same shit. Victim blaming and trying to see things from the perspective of the alleged perpetrator not the victim.

Well in the place I live currently, what a lady colleague told me is that parents, expecially mothers, are protective of their sons (rather than the girls). Think deeply about this.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58pm On Feb 01, 2022
Even the bible said to wives not to use sex as a means to frustrate their husbands, instead they fall into sins. They go to side chicks and oloshos
....
1 CORINTHIANS 7:5
KJ21
Defraud ye not one the other, unless it be with consent for a time only, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not through your lack of selfrestraint.
ASV
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season, that ye may give yourselves unto prayer, and may be together again, that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinency.
AMP
Do not deprive each other [of marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves [unhindered] to prayer, but come together again so that Satan will not tempt you [to sin] because of your lack of self-control.
AMPC
Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:50pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ellexy:
How can you expect everyone to act like Rihanna ffs?
When you abuse someone you don't have any right to determine how they react to it. Rihanna chose her own way maybe because Chris's was a one off, meanwhile Mason has been habitually abusing that girl

This is what we don't know for sure. Habitual is a strong term here. The lady's parent did not sound as such.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:44pm On Feb 01, 2022
Karleb:
This kain discussion na for offline e sweet pass, for online, people go just dey emotional.

What if after everything, just like Neymar, Greenwood comes out innocent?

The matter is blown out of proportion. Not that this is a random girl. This is boyfriend and girlfriend, and in Europe, they live like married people when the parents approve the relationship. The girl or her family did not report a crime directly to the police. The family wishes it did not get to this level. But some people here are acting on behalf of their parents. Do they know them than their parents?

In cases there can be mitigating factors. E.g first offender, they have been in sexual relationship. But the police is the expert. We will know soon when he is charged and if they give details.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:22pm On Feb 01, 2022
Rihanna could easily have ruined Cris Brown.

You talk about having a daughter. What about having a son? Both daughters and sons make mistakes.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:19pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:
And it goes on and on. No post sympathizing with the victim. It's all about victim blaming, how she might be a manipulator, how she's older them him and should know better.
You're a sick fella.

You are the one who is sick. I have a right to think outside the box. Yes, it is possible for someone to ruin another when he/she cannot dance to his/her command. For some people, it is either I have it or I ruin it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:15pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

3rd full posts.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:14pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

2nd full post.

I can't quote your one sentence replies cuz the context is missing.

And in your opinion, this is defending Greenwood? And not an opinion of some possibilities that could have changed the situation?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:11pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

Your first full post about the case. You can't see the sickness in this?

You sick brain sees what it wants to see
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:09pm On Feb 01, 2022
donjazet:

Bro, all your posts so far on this issue have been to blame the victim.
We make an informed judgement on what is before us, not suppositions and intangibles.
So far, the evidence at hand shows a lady who has been physically and sexually abused by her lover. We see graphic pictures, we hear HIS own voice where he is aggressive and overpowering to her.

Any decent human being will be outraged knowing the kind of society we live in. If you start looking for justifications and manufacturing excuses to exonerate the perpetrator, it exposes your cynical mindset as an arbiter of crime. You are enabling crime. You dilute the message which should have been passed. Just look below and tell me if you see a pattern, someone hell bent on pinning this ordeal on the victim.

This is where you start to absolve the criminal.


This is where you swing fully into victim blaming. So shameful to read. I hope your employer sees these. You are a danger to women.




When someone even pointed out that his teammates had unfollowed him on social media, this was your shameful response.



At this point, it's fair to say, not only are you heartless and devoid of empathy, you are a potential rapists. No one goes this far to defend a rapist. It's mind jarring.

So where is the defence of Greenwood? angry grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:06pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:
There's a video for God's sake. There are recordings and pictures for God's sake. Detectives are investigating and even added additional charges.

Do we need videos of the real action before we start sympathizing with the victim?

PS. My posts about this case has been against that fella trying repeatedly to indirectly blame the victim. You should probably go through his old posts.

That is not a charge. He has not been charged for anything yet. Threat to kill or threat to life can range from so many things. It depends on the full report. Police in Nigeria arrest people every day for threat to life, mostly due to ignorance use of words by people while arguing. What they do is to make the accused write an undertaking. It happens a lot. It happened to even a banker that went to recover loan.

I think Whizkid was arrested by Linda Ikeji on tbreats
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:58pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

I'm not a Saint and I'm not trying to be a Saint. If openly condemning rape and sexual assault makes me a Saint, then so be it.

98% of your posts since has been concentrated on how the girl could have done better and so many other sick stuffs. You've rarely said anything in support of the victim. That says a lot about your mentality.

A normal human will sympathize with the victim before throwing different postulations as to why the victim could be the one to blame.

You went as far as pointing out her age and how could have cause his reaction. That's sick bro.

You are still trying hard to twist mu words to appear as a saint. Continue

You think this is the only place I post? Do you know if I had empathise with the girl elsewhere? Everyone has empathise with her, so it must not be the only thing being said about the issues. What about the other possibilities?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:42pm On Feb 01, 2022
Karleb:
I really don't get why some people get emotional over cases like this. It's best to be logical when rape, sexual assaults accusations are brought up.

Also, it's important to know that while some men or women can be abusive, the victim can be really manipulative too, especially if the victim is a woman.

It's something that has happened a lot in the past, I can't even start making list of women whom were later found to be lying after soiling a man's reputation.

Make we wait for higher authorities before calling names abeg.

Thanks for your broad thought and thinking outside the box. At least let's hear the other side and most importantly, police report. Police are the expert to tell us before we can crucify Greenwood.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:24pm On Feb 01, 2022
donjazet:


It is gut-wrenching reading your posts. My disappointment comes from my expectation of you. I wouldn't be bothered if someone like donstan made this statement.

How can a right thinking somebody be defending a rapist.

You know the world we live in and the numerous obstacles that faces a woman. You most likely know a woman around you who have been beaten by her husband or boyfriend.

You see a picture of a girl bleeding, scars and lesions on her skin, you hear an audio of the rapist defying her wishes to not be penetrated and all you can do is to keep blaming the victim??

How so unreasonable can you be?? Victim blaming is heartlessness. It depicts a darkened soul, a mind washed of empathy. Where is your humanity?
Would you say the same if it were your daughter??

First, show me where I defended Greenwood. Let's start from here
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

He's actually saying some crazy stuffs though. I don't think it's being old School asking why a rape/ assault victim didn't leave the situation.

You are trying hard to appear to be a saint, a women right activist, a feminist by deliberately twisting what I said. In my post, I started by saying I am not defending Greenwood. I am looking at what could have been done differently. And whether there was a set up. Set up here means, knowing someone's weakness and using it against him. Setting a trap for him to fall for it. We don't know it all but I am patiently waiting for police press release. The rest are just opinion. But you take these opinions personal.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:01pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ellexy:
Lol, Elamps is a bit old school so I understand where he's coming from, that doesn't make him a potential rapist though. We can always argue out this things from 2 varying perspectives albeit he's wrong in this Greenwood issue.

Weak people's best defence of their point of view is to either insult or call names.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:00pm On Feb 01, 2022
donstan18:

You just dey cut corners since.

Come out plain bro. Own your opinion over this issue, nobody go beat you.

Kpata kpata dem go use epistle attack you, but you don talk Wetin you talk.

Stop disguising. cheesy

My thinking is that Greenwood cannot be as foolish as people think. Anyway, until we get the full report of investigation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:56pm On Feb 01, 2022
donjazet:


This is how you know potential rapists. People who see women as objects. Who degrade and dehumanize women, see themselves as superior to women, when they are in fact losers. Such a shameless human. To think I saw him as one of the wise posters on this thread. Tufia.

Clap for yourself.

One day, you will realise the wisdom in my words. I guess you have not seen life yet.

What do you mean by seeing women as objects? I do not sleep around. But I have seen cases.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:48pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

She walked away, didn't she? Are they together now?
Just rest abeg.
Dem say person rape and assault person sexually, you dey ask why she no walk away. Which kain sick talk be that one.

I will just leave you here. Hoping one day you are not caught in a web of issues for your mistakes.

Sebi these two people na boyfriend and girlfriend abi? No be say Greewood tried to sleep with a random girl.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:


What part of this statement points to the parents knowing about the abuse that went on. I don't understand you o. He's stating what his daughter told him in the morning and what he feels about their relationship. Do you think the girl will play the recording of Greenwood trying to insert his dick into her to her father? Try to be logical about this thing.

The worse he could have know about this is that they had a huge fight and broke up.

How did you miss the part he said their relationship have been having issue recently?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:43pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ellexy:
Marriage dey eradicate bad vices like Greenwood's?

If he married her, she would give him free access knowing she own him 'forever'.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:33pm On Feb 01, 2022
elampiro:

‘She has told us her phone has been hacked. We told her to take it down, which she has done but it’s out there now so it is too late.

‘She is devastated because she didn’t want it released. We have known him since the under 21s. He has been part of our family for two or three years.



BenNash, the bolded tells me that Greenwood is not a serial abuser. The young guy just made a mistake. If he were a serial abuser as you claim, the girls father would be calling for his head
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:26pm On Feb 01, 2022
And the situation you described BenNash, whatever happens to walking away? Was she tied to his house?

Abuse, forgive. Abuse, forgive, etc and you still wait. And the parents still support ...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:21pm On Feb 01, 2022
BenNash:

Maybe read a little about people in abusive relationships before making any further comments. It's not as straight forward as you think. He might beat her today and rape her and ask for forgiveness the next day and act like a total different person. The woman forgives and things go on normally until the next time it happens.

So many of it is also connected to psychology. And I'm pretty sure the parents didn't know anything. What even gave you the idea the parents would have an hint of what went wrong. People break up and get back together every time.

The parents knew
...

‘The first thing we knew about this was at 6am this morning. It is dreadful. I’m just coming to terms with it all,’ Mr Robson told the Daily Mail.

‘As a father you don’t want to know things like that happening to your daughter. The police have been round and she has made a statement to them.

‘She has told us her phone has been hacked. We told her to take it down, which she has done but it’s out there now so it is too late.

‘She is devastated because she didn’t want it released. We have known him since the under 21s. He has been part of our family for two or three years.

‘Their relationship has not been good for the last few months. She is completely devastated by it all.

‘They were very much in love and have been together for a while. The police are dealing with it now.’

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