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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:45am On Feb 02, 2022 |
Segedinho: You are bringing replies to different points raised to justify your confusion. When I talk about Greenwood and Ms Robison, I am talking about it from the aspect of societal ill. Not from the aspect of Christianity. Otherwise, both of them should be caned for being in a sexual relationship without marriage. But we live in an imperfect world. So I look at it from that angle. The angle that young people make relationship mistakes. In the world of immorality we created for ourselves, relationships like these ones are like free entry and free exit (break ups now and then). In my faith, in the Catholic church, marriage is till death. But in boyfriend and girlfriend matter, a 20 years old guy cannot be trusted to have decided on his future partner yet. So now, based on the immoral world, when in a relationship before marriage, you should know that until you hear I do, or taken to the altar, anything can happen. The system doesn't suit people who are too clinging. It is the Christain ways that suit them. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:44am On Feb 02, 2022 |
Ellexy: The parents understand that these people are young and that young people 20 and 22 years old can make relationship mistakes. We don't know the history or story of their sex language before that short audio. The police will determine the level of abuse or criminal activity in this matter. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:20am On Feb 02, 2022 |
Segedinho: You are the one not seeing that you got confused. I saw where you were going to so I went ahead of you to checkmate you. 1. There is God's law 2. There is civil law 3. There is societal acceptable standard (good or evil) 1. In the eyes of God, only married people can be in a sexual relationship. They must not deny each other when one party wants it (assuming both are healthy) 2. Civil law recognises marriage, civil union (boyfriend and girlfriend who register their names with the govt) in some countries, right to freedom of relationship, even if adultery. 3. Society ills accept boyfriend and girlfriend and all the sexual stuff that go with it. In this case, it is easier to walk away from such relationships. But the sex thing is expected by the evil society as happens in marriages. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:06am On Feb 02, 2022 |
Segedinho: Do people with the ability to get divorce papers from court have the right to when a woman spreads her legs? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:03am On Feb 02, 2022 |
Segedinho: No |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:52pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Ellexy: Yes, but women use it as a weapon like ratio 9.9:0.1 Ellexy: You kind of assume that Greenwood has no common sense not to know what you stated above. So you think Greenwood will go to a girl who is on her period? Or do you think Greenwood will forcefully tear off the clothes of his girlfriend to get to that point? I doubt this. I am trying to reason what could have happened before both of them became naked in the first place. Ellexy: Let's hear his part. The crucifixion before his own statement is not okay |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:44pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Segedinho: From God's point of view and judgment, they are fornicators. But in Europe, such relationships endorsed by parents are treated like marriages. The parents visit each other during festivals. A lady friend of mine, she and her boyfriend changed apartment, their parents were helping them to move the properties. I have seen many like that, something far different from the way Nigerian people see boyfriend/girlfriend. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:21pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Ellexy: Bible does not support boyfriend/girlfriend. It is our twisted society. But just to marriage situation, the bible is talking about using sex as a weapon of control over your husband. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: Well in the place I live currently, what a lady colleague told me is that parents, expecially mothers, are protective of their sons (rather than the girls). Think deeply about this. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Even the bible said to wives not to use sex as a means to frustrate their husbands, instead they fall into sins. They go to side chicks and oloshos .... 1 CORINTHIANS 7:5 KJ21 Defraud ye not one the other, unless it be with consent for a time only, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not through your lack of selfrestraint. ASV Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season, that ye may give yourselves unto prayer, and may be together again, that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinency. AMP Do not deprive each other [of marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves [unhindered] to prayer, but come together again so that Satan will not tempt you [to sin] because of your lack of self-control. AMPC Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire. 2 Likes
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:50pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Ellexy: This is what we don't know for sure. Habitual is a strong term here. The lady's parent did not sound as such. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:44pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Karleb: The matter is blown out of proportion. Not that this is a random girl. This is boyfriend and girlfriend, and in Europe, they live like married people when the parents approve the relationship. The girl or her family did not report a crime directly to the police. The family wishes it did not get to this level. But some people here are acting on behalf of their parents. Do they know them than their parents? In cases there can be mitigating factors. E.g first offender, they have been in sexual relationship. But the police is the expert. We will know soon when he is charged and if they give details. 1 Like |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:22pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Rihanna could easily have ruined Cris Brown. You talk about having a daughter. What about having a son? Both daughters and sons make mistakes. 2 Likes |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:19pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: You are the one who is sick. I have a right to think outside the box. Yes, it is possible for someone to ruin another when he/she cannot dance to his/her command. For some people, it is either I have it or I ruin it. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:15pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:14pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: And in your opinion, this is defending Greenwood? And not an opinion of some possibilities that could have changed the situation? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:11pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: You sick brain sees what it wants to see |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:09pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
donjazet: So where is the defence of Greenwood? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:06pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: That is not a charge. He has not been charged for anything yet. Threat to kill or threat to life can range from so many things. It depends on the full report. Police in Nigeria arrest people every day for threat to life, mostly due to ignorance use of words by people while arguing. What they do is to make the accused write an undertaking. It happens a lot. It happened to even a banker that went to recover loan. I think Whizkid was arrested by Linda Ikeji on tbreats |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:58pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: You are still trying hard to twist mu words to appear as a saint. Continue You think this is the only place I post? Do you know if I had empathise with the girl elsewhere? Everyone has empathise with her, so it must not be the only thing being said about the issues. What about the other possibilities? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:42pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Karleb: Thanks for your broad thought and thinking outside the box. At least let's hear the other side and most importantly, police report. Police are the expert to tell us before we can crucify Greenwood. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:24pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
donjazet: First, show me where I defended Greenwood. Let's start from here |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: You are trying hard to appear to be a saint, a women right activist, a feminist by deliberately twisting what I said. In my post, I started by saying I am not defending Greenwood. I am looking at what could have been done differently. And whether there was a set up. Set up here means, knowing someone's weakness and using it against him. Setting a trap for him to fall for it. We don't know it all but I am patiently waiting for police press release. The rest are just opinion. But you take these opinions personal. 1 Like |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:01pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Ellexy: Weak people's best defence of their point of view is to either insult or call names. 1 Like |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:00pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
donstan18: My thinking is that Greenwood cannot be as foolish as people think. Anyway, until we get the full report of investigation. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:56pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
donjazet: Clap for yourself. One day, you will realise the wisdom in my words. I guess you have not seen life yet. What do you mean by seeing women as objects? I do not sleep around. But I have seen cases. 2 Likes |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:48pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: I will just leave you here. Hoping one day you are not caught in a web of issues for your mistakes. Sebi these two people na boyfriend and girlfriend abi? No be say Greewood tried to sleep with a random girl. 1 Like |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: How did you miss the part he said their relationship have been having issue recently? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:43pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
Ellexy: If he married her, she would give him free access knowing she own him 'forever'. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:33pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
elampiro: BenNash, the bolded tells me that Greenwood is not a serial abuser. The young guy just made a mistake. If he were a serial abuser as you claim, the girls father would be calling for his head |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:26pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
And the situation you described BenNash, whatever happens to walking away? Was she tied to his house? Abuse, forgive. Abuse, forgive, etc and you still wait. And the parents still support ... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:21pm On Feb 01, 2022 |
BenNash: The parents knew ... ‘The first thing we knew about this was at 6am this morning. It is dreadful. I’m just coming to terms with it all,’ Mr Robson told the Daily Mail. ‘As a father you don’t want to know things like that happening to your daughter. The police have been round and she has made a statement to them. ‘She has told us her phone has been hacked. We told her to take it down, which she has done but it’s out there now so it is too late. ‘She is devastated because she didn’t want it released. We have known him since the under 21s. He has been part of our family for two or three years. ‘Their relationship has not been good for the last few months. She is completely devastated by it all. ‘They were very much in love and have been together for a while. The police are dealing with it now.’ |
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