Icecream4U:
I have been seeing this "first fruit" thing here and there on nairaland but I never believed people actually do it until my neighbor confided in me because he needed me to assist him with his house rent.

His house rent (150k per year) expired December last year and he has not been able to renew it despite the fact that he earns 120k monthly salary.

He came to me to help him with the money that he would repay with interest saying his landlady is impatient and abusive. I told him i don't have cos I know he earns almost that 150k in a month.

So, what is really happening?

He told me he made some financial commitment in his church. What about your January salary? I asked. At least, I can support you with like 50k so you can add to it to pay the rent but I was shocked when he told me he has given it to his pastor as "first fruit" as he normally does.

Chineke! My mouth was wide open. I couldn't believe what my ears just heard. How could a full grown man sink himself into an avoidable financial difficulty and go about looking for money to borrow? Could it be jazz?

Dude if someone comes to you asking for a loan (not dash o), what you should be thinking of is:
1) Do you have the idle money to loan?
2) Is the person credible enough to return the loan?
3) Is there profit you can make from the loan?

No need mocking him. He believes in God. That should not be a problem to you.
Instead help him stretch his faith a bit to your advantage too,

I would lend him on the condition that he returns it with interest. Afterall if God truly blesses him, there should be an overflow that I can chop from. If on the other hand God doesnt bless him, well you are no worse than who received his money in the first place

petra1:


Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

2 Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,


I know you’re still growing but The word of God doesn not require fight. Excersice some fruits of the spirit . And restrain or I can’t discuss with you. Post your point with biblical references let the viewer judge .



Money has always been exchange . God accepted money for tithes offerings and first fruits . Any giving to God can be quantified in money . God dealt with Isreal as a nation of farmers . All first things belong to God . Even first born belong to God and they shouid be Killed . But by redemption money could be given .

this is really getting irritating
money, money, money
That is not all Jesus is about you know.
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Go out
heal the sick, raise the dead, heal the bruised, raise people up, love those who cry for love
freely you have received, freely give

Move on
What's all this!!

Person go open bible na only money e dey see to talk about. Looks like poor man mentality to me

bennyann:
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God doesnt make sense?
hmmmm. Not really

"The information or knowledge" we have about God is what does not make sense.
For example, If you were told that after fasting God will answer your prayer. You fasted and God did not answer your prayers, that means that the information that was given to you was incorrect.

petra1:
As far as I know , After the Saga Otobo has moved on with her life as well as the apostle . We have all committed the matter to the court . As I said that time . Let’s leave the matter to court and God Who will judge every man .

I agree

So suddenly out of nowhere Otobo comes out to confess her wrong and apologized and said people made her attack the man of God . And what was supervising me is funny comments here by church haters

True. church haters will complain about everything. No need trying to satisfy them.

who claimed that apostle paid her to do it . Isn’t that crazy? .

No it is not. People pay people to keep silent

How on earth will someone think like that . That’s enough to nail the apostle

Not really. He doesnt need to pay directly (that is if he did). You should know this, as it is common practice. I really dont need to give ministry examples where there have been allegations that a pastors close confidants do the dirty jobs of talking to the victims or taking the fall.

That would have been the deadliest weapon of Otobo against him

if an intermediary does the talking and paying (assuming it happens) there would be no weapon to use.

Why on earth would he need her confession . His members and followers believes in their pastor . His wife believes him . His ministry work is growing . It is very crazy to think he paid her . Keyamo will feast on that .

I'll assume that he didnt shag her in the first place not to talk of ppaying her, but if he did, then the simple reason he would need her confession even if others believe in him is simple. -so that he will believe himself. Put things to a final rest.

What benefit is the confession to apostle who has moved on .

He probably had nothing to do with her, but if did, then be rest assured that depending on trails left behind, he has probably not moved on. This confession will be the final nail to the coffin of the matter especially legally. If for example he really did have an affair with her, both are adults, so na dem know and are equally responsible. However if he left her bruised, she would bite back. It would be left for him to reach out to her discreetly for forgiveness (monetarilly or otherwise) and the way forward. She on her part might be willing to make up and put things to rest finally by "confessing".
Ever[yone goes home happy

Some even asked him to produce the people who she claimed paid her to set him up . Una no ask the girl wey talk . Na apostle Una Dey ask . Shame .

they are player haterz and will never be satisfied

made2fit:
About 5 years ago, I stopped Paying tithes. I stumbled upon an article, searched the scriptures and discovered the truth about tithing. Not wanting to stir up controversy, I kept this to myself and continued in my service to God. Nevertheless, I became a committed giver, giving to church projects, programs, welfare and the needy as the need arises.

Now, last Sunday, I was given a preordination form for deaconship in my church. On this form are a couple of questions on tithes and tithing. Answering positive to these questions will make me a liar. After all, I don't tithe. But no one knows this since I'm a committed member and giver. Also, if I am ordained as a deaconess, there will be instances where I would have to promote tithes and offerings. Doing this would make me a hypocrite since I don't tithe or believe in it.

One part of me is telling me to think up a very good excuse to give the pastorate, simply forgo it and continue leading my quiet Christian life. Another part is considering it as an opportunity to serve God, take up spiritual responsibilities, build more confidence, and build a ministry. After all, God is the ultimate Judge of the heart of man.

Believers in the house, what do you think?

why lie?
If you desire the role so much, then start tithing so you can take it.
Maybe if you become powerful enough, in the church you can later on change things

you dont need to believe in tithe to do it. It simply is 10%
Associations pay dues without which you might not be a member.
Likewise, take it that your church as requested for dues of 10% from its members

OP
I've been having some extra thoughts on this

You need to be careful you know.
1) Being mushy, mushy with that stripper, You run the risk of starting a SERIOUS relationship with her - i dont condemn people, but i dont think youd be proud of this
2) You run the risk of making a stripper your baby mama -can you and your family handle this?
3) If you marry again, the new wife would likely want to have her own kids. If within 5 yrs, you had 3 kids, i wonder how many the new wife would want.
4) you are going to be in a financial mess if you are looking after a family in US and another in Nigeria -in fact the stress could kill you

If there is any way you can patch up with your wife, while keeping your pride, abeg try
You guys need to fix the issues of trust, respect and some basic love
She does not need to be with you in the US, in fact her being in Nigeria once those trust issues are fixed is an advantage.
You can then easilly hustle in the US without distraction -that's if you are sensible
If you send 1 to 2 million Naira to her every year, that should make her and your kids leave well for a start
You can then live rough in the US, and save enough money for regular business investments at home and abroad

..just avoid woman so that you dont get into a fiancial mess o

OP I read your story and felt some empathy.
I was curious to see if there was anything in your past that could help me make suggestions to you.

I looked at your previous posts mostly about relationships.
They seemed quite antagonistic towards your lovers maybe for no fault of yours
-wanting you to wear something you didnt want to wear
-suspecting you of fraud.

I dont know if its the same girl in all occasions especially as in your 2016 post you said you had been married for 5 years, whereas, the fraud story with your fiancee was in 2013.

Sometimes, people marry other people's wife's. -when she feels she had a better choice
When that happens, it is hard to be fully respected by the woman. You would have to over prove yourself, almost competing with the other man on affluence.

This type of issue needs you going to God for help, that is if you are still interested in the marriage.
I suspect that she on her path feels that you are not adding much value to her dreams, and that you are rather diminishing it and that she can do well if not better without you

...in addition, you shouldnt have "forced" her to go to school. She has a different dream

keacy:
I'm getting frustrated with the condition my father is giving me before I finally settle down. I will be 34 years this 2018 and would have married (with 2 or 3 kids by now) since but my dad gave the excuse that he didn't like the girl.

I am the first son of 5 children, I am paying the school fees of the last child who is in med school. I have found me a wife whom I have planned getting married to by April.

Now my dad is insisting that since we don't have a home in the village that I should build one before getting married else he won't come for my wedding and will disown me.

I have already told him that I will build after my wedding but he refused.

What should I do? Going ahead with this building will make me call-off my wedding till December or Next year. What should I do My People I need Expert Advice on this.

Sorry, but Your dad is a selfish man.................very dangerous
I hope your siblings are not the same too.

You've been spoiling your dad,
If you marry without building that house, your wife might be hated by your dad, and it wont be comfortable for her

If you build the house after marrying her, you dad would want to control your wife, because he is used to controlling your life

My advice is that you draw the line now. complete the battle as soon as possible
If this goes on, and God forbids, something happens to you in the future, your family will take everything from your wife and kids.
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DavidJohnDavid:
Why are pastors criticized for their riches and not christians?

Aren't both pastors and christians followers of Jesus Christ?

Since when is it a crime to be rich whether you are a pastor or christian or muslim or white or black or tall or short?

Pastors are criticised because of the opacity of how some of them get wealthy.
People tend to see them asking for money from the congregation of both the rich and poor, sometimes with biblical threats.
then stepping out with bling, bling.

Wealthy Christian followers hardly go around asking rich and poor for money with threats, if they did, people would also critisize them.
Remember that even Mathew the tax collector before he became a disciple was also criticised for the process that made him wealthy.

kaylonda: Church goers are not necessarily christians.

Christians are not neccesarily church goers

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Pastor Kun: @esere826
You can repost the number 10 na

I have done this

10) Choosing your luxury toy -A private jet or a yatch

Now you've got a church spread all over the world
Buying a luxuey yatch is not a great asset. It simply spells excesses and is indefensible
besides, Nigeria does not have a great and explored water way

A jet on the other hand makes a lot of sense.
You could fly with it almost daily to varoius dispersed locations,
and also rent it out to politicians and their cronies at a price

So you settle for a jet.
Folks are upset with you, the media is awash with your jet story
It makes sense, no need to disdain them. they are down, and you're up.
Up in the wings of a metallic eagle

You call a press conference and inform the media that you've not been paid by the church for a long time
God is he who gave you power to make wealth

yes, indeed this is true.
anyone with a collateral of constant income will always have access to cheap loans
(many dont know this, but a bank would rather give someone with a guaranteed monthly income of 30,000 a loan, than someone who has a one off 1 million naira deposit)

So you see, you are indeed blessed of God