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therationa (m)
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In my first post to this forum, I indicated my disgust at the effect religiosity was having at some African universities, particularly Nigeria but also in Cameroon. I was horribly disappointed with the response, in that all the respondents seem to attack me directly or attacked atheism, though I was not making a defense for atheism in that post. We have witnessed a generation of Africans brought up on a diet of rudimentary education (of the type that enables a barely passable functional literacy), popular and vacuous TV programs and films and hardcore religious dogmatism. At the same time, standards in our institutions of learning have been plummeting thanks to governmental neglect and a cultural detestation of challenging and critical questioning. Take for instance a thread started by Jen33, titled " Jesus Did Not Exist" http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-39918.0.html. This being a very controversial subject, he post a detail essay on the support from Jim Walker. I have just read the article by Jim Walker and it by and large agrees with mainline scholar opinion on all the fact he presented. Scholar opinion is still divided on some of the interpretations and conclusions. All but one respondents to this post seem to have reviewed the material, as none made a direct refutation of the premise of the article. Here is a flavour of the responses to the post; I'm realy tired of such arguments!! when will people jus learn 2 believe??? " Jesus Christ did exist! Jesus Christ has always existed!! Jesus Christ still exists!!
PERIOUD!!!!! END TOPIC, IF You DON'T BELIVE FINE!!
This thread shld be thrown to the bottomless pit.
what is the use of this thread
This thread should be deleted plz.
ATTENTION SEEKER.
SO WHO DO You WORSHIP? THE DEVIL
Honestly this thread makes me sick
Am Good
hell fire awaits yall talkin about CHRIST DOSENT EXIST
Po Deep (m)
This thread deserves no response.
I can't but laugh at such ridiculous topic as this. This goes to show a long way that indeed Christ is Coming!
As to the attention seeker, I suggest you open up your heart to the Love of God, you may be a messenger of the anti-christ today, but you are not yet beyond redemption!
Is this the kind of spirit and attitude education is suppose to impart? Where are we headed as a people? This really is an embarrassment to the Promethean ethos of learning.===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006Danger! Religion May Damage Your Intelligence And Your Mind If Not Your Wealthhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115458.0.htmlDoes Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't.http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115292.0.htmlThe Dreadful Plight Of Apostasy In The Biblehttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115114.0.htmlIs The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115053.0.htmlJesus And The Old Lawshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115190.0.htmlWhat Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipationhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669The Sexual Act And Christian Teachinghttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.htmlScientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus 13012dg http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitlerhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Commahttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.htmlHow Is Salvation Achieved? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.htmlOnly For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Storieshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibleshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311When Was Jesus Crucified?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam)http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353Faith-healers And Tele-evangelistshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528Where Did Sin Originate?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291For The Non-beleivers Only, 1http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631Has Atheism Got Principle? Nohttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriagehttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principleshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268Great Books About Non-belief http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975Genesis Vs Genetics http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.htmlJesus Genealogy http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616£300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160==================================================================================================== |
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therationa (m)
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Why do the majority of christians and religionists hate learning about science, history and philosophy? When asked to review such material they always shy away. Have they got something to fear in these material?
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4Him (m)
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Why do the majority of christians and religionists hate learning about science, history and philosophy? When asked to review such material they always shy away. Have they got something to fear in these material?
Now i agree that you are going through a kind of brain freeze. Isaac Newton was a christian ditto for Charles Darwin. Most of the early scientists were christians. Lets not go too far . . . the most successful brain surgeon in the world today (Ben Carson) is a christian. My parents have been staunch christians for 30yrs, my mum is a doc and my dad an engineer. Where are the christians shying away from learning science? |
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therationa (m)
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Now i agree that you are going through a kind of brain freeze.
Isaac Newton was a christian ditto for Charles Darwin. Most of the early scientists were christians.
Lets not go too far . . . the most successful brain surgeon in the world today (Ben Carson) is a christian. My parents have been staunch christians for 30yrs, my mum is a doc and my dad an engineer.
Where are the christians shying away from learning science?
I must admit, my comment was a bit too broad-brush, but the essence is largely true, for the ordinary christian. Admittedly, science is a hard exercise and demands a lot of mental effort to really appreciate it at the intellectual level, not simply at the level of application. My comments did not mean to say that Christians cannot make good scientist. Far from that. I know some very good Christian scientist that I greatly admire for their work, viz Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller, Simon Conway Morris etc. To use Stephen J Gould phrase, to a lot of people science and religion are Non-overlapping Majestaria (to a degree). I was speaking about the ordinary christian, of the type you run into daily. I have tried to introduce some of the christian acquintances to popular science literature to no avail. I used to lecture in an Engineering department and had to assess students yearly of their understanding of scientific principles and found those who rejected accepted scientific facts did so on religious grounds. At the time of Newton and Darwin, this-belief was not only uncommon, it was punishable by death of imprisonment. Check out what happen to Geordano Bruno. So if they were any unbelievers, it was literally worth their lives to not make their view public. Although Darwn started life as a Christian, he most certainly lost his belief later in life. Newton was not only and Christian, he was also a mystic. |
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4Him (m)
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therationalist, i think your virulent brand of atheism has blinded you such that you can't see the truth anymore.
There are many christian professors here in my grad school . . . they have not allowed their faith to blind their quest for scientific knowledge even if it means challenging those very biblical theories that they learnt as children.
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therationa (m)
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therationalist, i think your virulent brand of atheism has blinded you such that you can't see the truth anymore.
There are many christian professors here in my grad school . . . they have not allowed their faith to blind their quest for scientific knowledge even if it means challenging those very biblical theories that they learnt as children.
Where in my comments did I say Christians cannot make good scientist? |
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imhotep
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@therationa
Volumes of documents and critical thinking are both NOT SUFFICIENT to disprove the existence of Christ/God.
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4Him (m)
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Where in my comments did I say Christians cannot make good scientist?
Why do the majority of christians and religionists hate learning about science, history and philosophy? When asked to review such material they always shy away. Have they got something to fear in these material?
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therationa (m)
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@therationa
Volumes of documents and critical thinking are both NOT SUFFICIENT to disprove the existence of Christ/God.
Why am I NOT surprised. That when the going gets tough you would resort to your refuge of existence/non-existence argument. Look at the title, we are not debating that here!!!!!! |
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therationa (m)
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4HIM, Did you not see the qualifier that I added later? Here it is;
I must admit, my comment was a bit too broad-brush, but the essence is largely true, for the ordinary christian. Admittedly, science is a hard exercise and demands a lot of mental effort to really appreciate it at the intellectual level, not simply at the level of application.
My comments did not mean to say that Christians cannot make good scientist. Far from that. I know some very good Christian scientist that I greatly admire for their work, viz Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller, Simon Conway Morris etc. To use Stephen J Gould phrase, to a lot of people science and religion are Non-overlapping Majestaria (to a degree).
To use the word majority does not mean ALL.
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imhotep
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Why am I NOT surprised. That when the going gets tough you would resort to your refuge of existence/non-existence argument.
Look at the title, we are not debating that here!!!!!!
You are basing your arguments on randomly selected documents. NONE of those documents is the final word on the issue it is discussing. YOU SHOULD NOT RELY TOO MUCH ON THEM.Remember that -> Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis Try to get a balanced view of these things. |
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imhotep
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Why am I NOT surprised. That when the going gets tough you would resort to your refuge of existence/non-existence argument.
Yes. It is an established fact that documents, critical thinking, atheism etc etc cannot disprove the existence of God. |
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therationa (m)
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4HIM, In fact, here is the statement I made; Why do the majority of christians and religionists hate learning about science, history and philosophy? When asked to review such material they always shy away. Have they got something to fear in these material?It says nothing there about christians not making good scientist. I was referring to the habit of only considering one side of the debate when challenge to explain their position. I don't know if you followed the Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. case in the US some years ago. Here a classic case of what I am referring to was displayed on the docks for all to see. When Michael Behe, expert for the Intelligent Design side to the stand, he was questioned as to how much recent scholarly material he had read or review. It turned out that he had not read the most important material in the field he was writing about. He so embarrassed himself that he refuse to take the stand again in a subsequent trial. This is the sort of thing I meant. Checkout the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_DistrictI am seeing it here on this forum as well. |
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