dayokanu:

biina,

How would Man Utd be second?

explain

dayokanu:

Man Utd doesnt make top 5 in my ranking

dayokanu:

Madrid
Milan
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Barcelona
Man Utd
Ajax
Juventus

dayokanu:

Madrid
Milan
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Barcelona
Man Utd
Ajax
Juventus

arshy:

I am not a fan of either club, am Chelsea and i love the Blues. I am just wondering how you define a big club.
When you ask Ronaldo why he is moving to Madrid, he will tell you he is joining a big club.
My argument; in what way(s) is Real bigger than Man U? Real has been dull in Europe for years, i can't remember the last time they made it to Quarter Finals of the Champion league. How are they bigger than Man U. that only lost a match (against Barca - Rome Final) in two champion league seasons and has been defending the Premier league for three consecutive seasons (i.e. they are equally good at home), not to mention the fact that they are the current holder of the FIFA World Football Club's Trophy.
Do you measure a big club by the number of Trophy they have won or their fat account (and ofcourse United are equally rich)?
Please i need constructive argument here, cause i still cant fashion how Madrid is bigger than the Red Devil.

bollingjoe:

@ biina if u say man u is bigger than madrid then i can say u re not fair.Real has more fans than man u,madrid has more ucl trophies than man utd(9-3),more league shields than man utd(31-18).Madrid is the richest club in the world. Madrid has had players who has won world player of the year award as opposed to c ronaldo who just won it for man utd last yr.Madrid wuz given the uefa badge of honour for winning the european cup 5 consecutive times. Where's man utd badge So guy be careful b4 any more wrong assertions

~Sauron~:

Man Utd
Real Madrid
AC Milan
Liverpool
Barcelona

Rubbish Sharon!
Real Madrid is the biggest!!!!!

MrCrackles:

Rubbish Sharon!
Real Madrid is the biggest!!!!!

~Sauron~:


Manchester United have been rated the eighth most valuable sports brand in the world in a new study which for the first time has assessed the comparative worths of 200 brands across the sporting spectrum.
Brands from the United States head the list compiled by SportsPro magazine, with the National Football League's value of $4.5bn (£2.75bn) ranking it No1, ahead of Major League Baseball ($3.936bn), and the National Basketball Association ($2.344bn).


United are valued at $1.495bn, three places and £200m behind the Fifa World Cup, worth $1.7bn.

While the $1.55bn-valued Ferrari is the top-ranked team, a place ahead of United, the Premier League champions are ahead of formula one ($1.45bn), which is ninth, the $1.1bn Champions League (13th), and Real Madrid, worth $1.073bn in 14th place.
Arsenal is the next highest English club in 21st, with a value of $910m, six places above Liverpool ($801m). Chelsea's $634m pushes into 55th

Not convinced
Jaybee's analysis looks peach, what do you think?

MrCrackles:

Not convinced
Jaybee's analysis looks peach, what do you think?

~Sauron~:

Jaybee's analysis is kinda distorted.
History: Tie
Success: Tie
Fan Base: Man Utd
Worth: Man Utd(Jaybee made a mistake there)
World Class players pulling power: Real Madrid
Overall: Man Utd!!!

Sharon, anything for you to win a debate especially if it involves your own very favourites!

MrCrackles:

Sharon, anything for you to win a debate especially if it involves your own very favourites!

Am not sure what your criteria were, but if one considers success both on and off the pitch, I dont see how bayern or liverpool comes ahead of ManU (Barca i would have to give more thought).

Off the pitch, Man U is second only to Real Madrid.

On the pitch, lets deal with liverpool first.
Both teams have won 18 domestic ttile, with ManU winning  11 in the past 16 seasons, and Liverpool not winning any for almost 20yrs. I will give domestic success to man U
In europe, man u has won 3 titles, (2 in the last 10 yrs) while liverpool have won 5 (1 in the last 25 yrs). I personally don't reckon with UEFA cup, or cup winners cup, as entry into it means you were second best to someone else domestically, and winning it doesnt make you any better than someone that failed to win the champions league, as the competitors are different. I would call european success even.

So I dont see how liverpool comes ahead of man u, unless you are simply counting european titles irrespective of when it was won.

biina:

Sauron is obviously suffering from acute fanboism.
What history does ManU have compared to the most successful club of the 20th century?

In terms of success, Madrid has won more titles than ManU in both the domestic and international arena.

Even in value, manU is valued at $1.87B with a 54% debt/value ratio and a revenue $512M while Madrid is valued $1.353B with a 23% and a revenue of $576M. Thus Madrid makes more money than manu, and after accounting for debt, Madrid is worth more than ManU ($1.04B vs $860M) (source: Forbes)

Sauron would rather make a judgement based on a ranking that excluded clubs like real madrid because they could not be acquired as properties
Only a ManU fanboy would ever dream of manu being bigger than madrid, and even then, he should wake up and apologize