This is another line I never saw, and still havent heard anyone on here mention. As you will see below, it is highly delusional that these Ibos think Northern Nigerian muslims will easily forget all their treachery the last 45 years! As the link below shows, on Jan.16, 1966, a Northerner could have been sworn in as acting Prime Minister but the person to administer the oath (You guessed it; an Ibo man) REFUSED to swear in a Northerner, agreeing instead to let the Military, led by a fellow Ibo, take over a constitutionally elected government; this after every top non-Ibo politician had been viciously hacked to death by an all-Ibo military, blood-thirsty, death squad! Below are appropriate links. Enjoy reading:





“Talking on the first coup, when Balewa got missing, we knew Okotie-
Eboh had been held, we knew Akintola had been killed. We, the
members of the Balewa cabinet started meeting. But how can you have a
cabinet meeting without the Prime Minister acting or Prime Minister
presiding. So, unanimously, we nominated acting Prime Minister
amongst us. Then we continued holding our meetings. Then we got a
message that we should all assemble at the Cabinet office. All the
Ministers were requested by the G.O.C. of the Nigerian Army, General
Ironsi to assemble. What was amazing at that time was that Ironsi was
going all over Lagos unarmed. We assembled there. Having nominated
ZANA Diphcharima as our acting Prime Minister in the absence of the
Prime Minister, whose whereabout we didn't know, we approached the
acting President, Nwafor Orizu to swear him in because he cannot
legitimately act as the Prime Minister except he is sworn- in. Nwafor
Orizu refused. He said he needed to contact Zik who was then in West
Indies.
Under the law, that is, the Interpretation Act, as acting President,
Nwazor Orizu had all the powers of the President. The GOC said he
wanted to see all the cabinet ministers. And so we assembled at the
cabinet office. Well, I have read in many books saying that we handed
over to the military. We did not hand-over. Ironsi told us that "you either
hand over as gentlemen or you hand-over by force". Those were his
words. Is that voluntary hand-over? So we did not hand-over. We
wanted an Acting Prime Minister to be in place but Ironsi forced us, and
I use the word force advisedly, to handover to him. He was controlling
the soldiers. The acting President, Nwafor Orizu, who did not cooperate
with us, cooperated with the GOC. Dr. Orizu and the GOC prepared
speeches which Nwafor Orizu broadcast handing over the government of
the country to the army. I here state again categorically as a member of
that cabinet that we did not hand-over voluntarily. It was a coup. “


http://www.omoigui.com/files/military_counterrebellion_july_1966.pdf


Wow, these Ibos!

What is the purpose and relevance of this post?

chyz:

[size=25pt]YO CUT THE NONSENSE.ENOUGH. IF YOU CAN'T POST ANYTHING INTELLEGENT AND MEANINGFUL THAN DON'T POST AT ALL![/size]

Dude, did reading the full text upset you that much?! Oh, well, what can I say?!

^^^^

This is a good one, bk.babe97y

Nigeria's three-decade enslavement under the military was entirely masterminded by the Igbo: Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna, Ironsi, Nwafor Orizu, Azikiwe. All the principal actors. But they were quick to roll over and play victim when the Hausas lashed back at them so brutally.

ziddy:

^^^^

This is a good one, bk.babe97y

Nigeria's three-decade enslavement under the military was entirely masterminded by the Igbo: Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna, Ironsi, Nwafor Orizu, Azikiwe. All the principal actors. But they were quick to roll over and play victim when the Hausas lashed back at them so brutally.

And what are you going to do about it?

@post

it seems some people just wake up in the morning and then come up with some trashy conspiracy theories.

hiss!

bk.babe97y:

  This is another line I never saw, and still havent heard anyone on here mention. As you will see below, it is highly delusional that these Ibos think Northern Nigerian muslims will easily forget all their treachery the last 45 years! As the link below shows, on Jan.16, 1966, a Northerner could have been sworn in as acting Prime Minister but the person to administer the oath (You guessed it; an Ibo man) REFUSED to swear in a Northerner, agreeing instead to let the Military, led by a fellow Ibo, take over a constitutionally elected government; this after every top non-Ibo politician had been viciously hacked to death by an all-Ibo military, blood-thirsty, death squad! Below are appropriate links. Enjoy reading:

I have had this debate with Dede1, OnlyTruth, and Eziachi in the past.

One instance below and can't be assed to find others.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-403790.128.html

Quote from: Katsumoto on February 26, 2010, 06:14 PM
Dede1
That is not what the debate is about. The position you stated above is wrong for the following reasons:
1. NCNC and NPC had an agreement and formed a coalition.
2. Igbo officers killed non-Igbo members of government. If you want to argue that it was not an Igbo coup, should Igbo sons now work towards ensuring that the other party to the agreement remain side-lined?
3. The co-existence of all tribes in Nigeria was predicated on a fragile balance. Arguing that the President, Prime Minister, Senate President, and GOC of the Armed Forces should all be Igbo/Eastern does amount to domination of other tribes by the Igbo.
4. My argument was always that after the actions of the Igbo officers, the action of the NCNC to ignore the agreement with the NPC is what gave credence to the belief that it was an Igbo coup and this is what led to the counter-coup of July 1966. It would have been difficult to argue that it was an Igbo coup if Ironsi foiled the coup, tried and executed the plotters immediately, and Orizu had maintained the balance of power and existing agreement by handing over to Dipcharima. Think about it for a minute or two
5. This debate is not about who was best for the job. We have seen that they were all clowns (Zik, Awo, Sardauna) and their actions have led Nigeria down the wrong path.

Dede1's reply

Quote from: Dede1 on February 26, 2010, 07:36 PM
I perfectly understood your plank of the argument which makes sense to anybody who is unpatriotic toward Nigeria and tend to kick unity and oneness to the curb.

I do not think that this debate would change your mindset as you repeatedly stated that your argument hinges of Igbo officers taking over power. The last time I checked though, Igbo was not a country and had no standing army. The overthrow of Balewa government was precipitated by Nigerian armed forces period.

NPC members knew that coalition government between two parties detected that the senior partner produces the Prime Minister and junior partner produces the Ranking Minister who is, all intents and practical purposes, de facto deputy Prime Minister. If not for the issue of deep mistrust and a country created out of colonial machination, the idea of NPC ministers caucusing to select Dipcharima as PM without the coalition partners was wrong and unacceptable.

It is even pathetic that the ministers knew who deputizes for PM in certain occasions. The Ranking Minister would have become the acting PM and when situation is under control would work with the President and ministers in council to appoint another PM from the north probably Dipcharima because he was an NCNC member before joining NPC. The action of NPC ministers pointed to the thought process that northern political elites have always arrogated to themselves that the act of ruling Nigeria is their birth right with wholesome support from few deluded southern political elites.

I have never argued about who was the best or more educated in terms of European or western education for the job of Prime Minister. If educational qualification was the yard stick, there was no northern politician that would have landed a position of minister without portfolio talk less substantives minister.

Katsumoto:

I have had this debate with Dede1, OnlyTruth, and Eziachi in the past.

One instance below and can't be assed to find others.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-403790.128.html

Quote from: Katsumoto on February 26, 2010, 06:14 PM
Dede1
That is not what the debate is about. The position you stated above is wrong for the following reasons:
1. NCNC and NPC had an agreement and formed a coalition.
2. Igbo officers killed non-Igbo members of government. If you want to argue that it was not an Igbo coup, should Igbo sons now work towards ensuring that the other party to the agreement remain side-lined?
3. The co-existence of all tribes in Nigeria was predicated on a fragile balance. Arguing that the President, Prime Minister, Senate President, and GOC of the Armed Forces should all be Igbo/Eastern does amount to domination of other tribes by the Igbo.
4. My argument was always that after the actions of the Igbo officers, the action of the NCNC to ignore the agreement with the NPC is what gave credence to the belief that it was an Igbo coup and this is what led to the counter-coup of July 1966. It would have been difficult to argue that it was an Igbo coup if Ironsi foiled the coup, tried and executed the plotters immediately, and Orizu had maintained the balance of power and existing agreement by handing over to Dipcharima. Think about it for a minute or two
5. This debate is not about who was best for the job. We have seen that they were all clowns (Zik, Awo, Sardauna) and their actions have led Nigeria down the wrong path.

Dede1's reply

Quote from: Dede1 on February 26, 2010, 07:36 PM
I perfectly understood your plank of the argument which makes sense to anybody who is unpatriotic toward Nigeria and tend to kick unity and oneness to the curb.

I do not think that this debate would change your mindset as you repeatedly stated that your argument hinges of Igbo officers taking over power. The last time I checked though, Igbo was not a country and had no standing army. The overthrow of Balewa government was precipitated by Nigerian armed forces period.

NPC members knew that coalition government between two parties detected that the senior partner produces the Prime Minister and junior partner produces the Ranking Minister who is, all intents and practical purposes, de facto deputy Prime Minister. If not for the issue of deep mistrust and a country created out of colonial machination, the idea of NPC ministers caucusing to select Dipcharima as PM without the coalition partners was wrong and unacceptable.

It is even pathetic that the ministers knew who deputizes for PM in certain occasions. The Ranking Minister would have become the acting PM and when situation is under control would work with the President and ministers in council to appoint another PM from the north probably Dipcharima because he was an NCNC member before joining NPC. The action of NPC ministers pointed to the thought process that northern political elites have always arrogated to themselves that the act of ruling Nigeria is their birth right with wholesome support from few deluded southern political elites.

I have never argued about who was the best or more educated in terms of European or western education for the job of Prime Minister. If educational qualification was the yard stick, there was no northern politician that would have landed a position of minister without portfolio talk less substantives minister.

So are you expecting to get an educated reply from him or an ignorant one? And what purpose do you think this thread was posted for after many threads concerning the same topic have come and gone?

chyz:

So are you expecting to get an educated reply from him or an ignorant one? And what purpose do you think this thread was posted for after many threads concerning the same topic have come and gone?

Like all threads, it is meant to be debated. The OP stated that this has never been debated before; my post was merely to correct that point. With regards to the quality of his response, I can not comment on the quality or sensitivity of his response. I suggest you wait for his response.

Katsumoto:

Like all threads, it is meant to be debated. The OP stated that this has never been debated before; my post was merely to correct that point. With regards to the quality of his response, I can not comment on the quality or sensitivity of his response. I suggest you wait for his response.

Fair enough.

chyz:

So are you expecting to get an educated reply from him or an ignorant one? And what purpose do you think this thread was posted for after many threads concerning the same topic have come and gone?

Well, I'll try to go with "Educated reply". . . . . . . Chyz,  I came across this piece as I was looking for something else. Upon further reading (or "Perusal" as Dede1, MENTALgong and co would have said just to show that they "Over-stand" the English language) I saw some things which I wasnt initially privy to; mainly [that] (1) Ironsi "forced" the civilian govt to hand over to him (2) a Northerner could have been sworn in as Prime Minister but the Ibo Acting President REFUSED to conduct the ceremony ect. These were revealing. There is more (as I'm sure you know); Of course I cant state it all in here. One thing I can say for sure, though, is that I havent read a more interesting piece in a long time. Thankfully, the author cant be accused of trying "[b]MBU[/b]nize" us as he was a first person participant in the events he wrote about. . . . . cant say the same for most of what we've been reading out of Eastern Nigeria these days!

Katsumoto:

I have had this debate with Dede1, OnlyTruth, and Eziachi in the past.

One instance below and can't be assed to find others.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-403790.128.html

Quote from: Katsumoto on February 26, 2010, 06:14 PM
Dede1
That is not what the debate is about. The position you stated above is wrong for the following reasons:
1. NCNC and NPC had an agreement and formed a coalition.
2. Igbo officers killed non-Igbo members of government. If you want to argue that it was not an Igbo coup, should Igbo sons now work towards ensuring that the other party to the agreement remain side-lined?
3. The co-existence of all tribes in Nigeria was predicated on a fragile balance. Arguing that the President, Prime Minister, Senate President, and GOC of the Armed Forces should all be Igbo/Eastern does amount to domination of other tribes by the Igbo.
4. My argument was always that after the actions of the Igbo officers, the action of the NCNC to ignore the agreement with the NPC is what gave credence to the belief that it was an Igbo coup and this is what led to the counter-coup of July 1966. It would have been difficult to argue that it was an Igbo coup if Ironsi foiled the coup, tried and executed the plotters immediately, and Orizu had maintained the balance of power and existing agreement by handing over to Dipcharima. Think about it for a minute or two
5. This debate is not about who was best for the job. We have seen that they were all clowns (Zik, Awo, Sardauna) and their actions have led Nigeria down the wrong path.

Dede1's reply

Quote from: Dede1 on February 26, 2010, 07:36 PM
I perfectly understood your plank of the argument which makes sense to anybody who is unpatriotic toward Nigeria and tend to kick unity and oneness to the curb.

I do not think that this debate would change your mindset as you repeatedly stated that your argument hinges of Igbo officers taking over power. The last time I checked though, Igbo was not a country and had no standing army. The overthrow of Balewa government was precipitated by Nigerian armed forces period.

NPC members knew that coalition government between two parties detected that the senior partner produces the Prime Minister and junior partner produces the Ranking Minister who is, all intents and practical purposes, de facto deputy Prime Minister. If not for the issue of deep mistrust and a country created out of colonial machination, the idea of NPC ministers caucusing to select Dipcharima as PM without the coalition partners was wrong and unacceptable.

It is even pathetic that the ministers knew who deputizes for PM in certain occasions. The Ranking Minister would have become the acting PM and when situation is under control would work with the President and ministers in council to appoint another PM from the north probably Dipcharima because he was an NCNC member before joining NPC. The action of NPC ministers pointed to the thought process that northern political elites have always arrogated to themselves that the act of ruling Nigeria is their birth right with wholesome support from few deluded southern political elites.

I have never argued about who was the best or more educated in terms of European or western education for the job of Prime Minister. If educational qualification was the yard stick, there was no northern politician that would have landed a position of minister without portfolio talk less substantives minister.

I am disappointed in you because I thought we had an intelligible discussion and believed you are a considerable rung above some of the morons on this board on intelligent scale. Also, I presumed you know as much as I do that Nigeria ran parliamentary system of government. It must recall that after the election of 1959, there was no party with clear majority of electoral success. There was no single contesting party such as NPC, NCNC or AG that could produce Prime Minister without a coalition partner.

As I have stated in the reply to our previous debate with regard to the scheme of things in the era in discuss, Zana Dipcharima was a junior minister in the coalition and could not have been elected Prime Minister in the midst of ministers from NCNC as a partner in Tafawa Balewa’s government. It is only in the world of inarticulate dunces that ministers from one coalition partner in any government will caucus to nominate a Prime Minister without other partners in the coalition government.

The reason Nigeria will never see success is hedged on embarrassing disingenuous behaviors. It is unfortunate the spiteful and idiotic article from the goofy poster did not inform the undiscerning audience that while coalition ministers from NPC were caucusing to nominate a Prime Minister, coalition ministers from NCNC were also caucusing to nominate Prime Minister in this case KO Mbadiwe who was the ranking minister beside Tafawa Balewa. 

Granted the chaotic situation in the country, Senate President or the acting President could not accept the either of the nominated Prime Ministers from different section of the coalition partners. Nwafor Orizu could have called for dissolution of the government since there was a political impasse between coalition partners in government and request for new general election. But the situation in the country did not warrant for such move and next best move was to hand over the power to GOC of Nigerian army.

Dede1:


I am disappointed in you because I thought we had an intelligible discussion and believed you are a considerable rung above some of the morons on this board on intelligent scale. Also, I presumed you know as much as I do that Nigeria ran parliamentary system of government. It must recall that after the election of 1959, there was no party with clear majority of electoral success. There was no single contesting party such as NPC, NCNC or AG that could produce Prime Minister without a coalition partner.

As I have stated in the reply to our previous debate with regard to the scheme of things in the era in discuss, Zana Dipcharima was a junior minister in the coalition and could not have been elected Prime Minister in the midst of ministers from NCNC as a partner in Tafawa Balewa’s government. It is only in the world of inarticulate dunces that ministers from coalition partner in any government will caucus to nominate a Prime Minister without other partners in the coalition government.

The reason Nigeria will never see success is hedged on embarrassing disingenuous behaviors. It is unfortunate the spiteful and idiotic article from the goofy poster did not inform the undiscerning audience that while coalition ministers from NPC were caucusing to nominate a Prime Minister, coalition ministers from NCNC were also caucusing to nominate Prime Minister in this case KO Mbadiwe who was the ranking minister beside Tafawa Balewa. Considering what had just happened; NCNC should have allowed NPC to nominate Dicharima if only to assuage the North the the East was not behind the coup. But guess what happened, Orizu refused to hand over to Dipcharima, a northerner, preferring to handover to Ironi, an Igbo man.

Granted the chaotic situation in the country, Senate President or the acting President could not accept the either of the nominated Prime Ministers from different section of the coalition partners. Nwafor Orizu could have called for dissolution of the government since there was a political impasse between coalition partners in government and request for new general election. But the situation in the country did not warrant for such move and next best move was to hand over the power to GOC of Nigerian army.

Why the disappointment? I merely informed BK/Babe that we have had this discussion before. Does your post cause you embarrassment? Like I stated previously, NPC had every right to nominate Dicharima even if he was a junior minister. After Margaret Thatcher was sent packing in 1990, there were several higher MPs than John Major in the Tory hierarchy such as Norman Lamont, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke but guess who became PM. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1994, Tony Blair became the Leader of the Labour Party despite being very junior in the party.

Leaving that argument aside, the NPC had the right to elect the PM under the same arrangement that brought NPC/NCNC to government. If NCNC agreed for Zik to serve under a man who was no where near his equal, why couldn't Mbadiwe do the same? It just smarked of cheap opportunism on the part of NCNC to attempt to nominate the PM; was it because NCNC felt that it had the edge as the coup-plotters had decimated the ranks of Northern political and military establishment?

I apologise if you take offense to me quoting you.

if that's the case, then they should have just placed dipcharima there, even if he was a cleaner.

the situation was way too tense at that time, to follow social etiquette.

in hindsight, which is always 100%  , that kind of action might have saved the lives of others.

But who knows sha.


isnt that what abacha or IBB did by making shonekan the acting president.

Sorry to say, but this doesnt seem to look too good for Ibos. I mean, this stubborn, selfish behavior is crazy! They need a "rebirth"!

Katsumoto:

Why the disappointment? I merely informed BK/Babe that we have had this discussion before. Does your post cause you embarrassment? Like I stated previously, NPC had every right to nominate Dicharima even if he was a junior minister. After Margaret Thatcher was sent packing in 1990, there were several higher MPs than John Major in the Tory hierarchy such as Norman Lamont, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke but guess who became PM. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1994, Tony Blair became the Leader of the Labour Party despite being very junior in the party.

Leaving that argument aside, the NPC had the right to elect the PM under the same arrangement that brought NPC/NCNC to government. If NCNC agreed for Zik to serve under a man who was no where near his equal, why couldn't Mbadiwe do the same? It just smarked of cheap opportunism on the part of NCNC to attempt to nominate the PM; was it because NCNC felt that it had the edge as the coup-plotters had decimated the ranks of Northern political and military establishment?

I apologise if you take offense to me quoting you.

I do not care who NPC ministers in coalition government elected to lead NPC. The issue in discuss is the nomination of Prime Minister by NPC ministers in a coalition government without their coalition partners from NCNC. Whether Zana Dipcharima is junior or senior should not be issue if only Dipcharima was nominated by the caucus of ministers from both coalition partners. Again, we are not deliberating on party hierarch but caucusing coalition partners to produce Prime Minister.

Pal, I think am quotable and take it as compliment if my texts were lifted to correctly direct the undiscerning audience.

Thanks Bk,

I too have come across this info which infact, i have in my archive.

The initial story was by Richard Akinjide which was also colloborated by Shagari, another insider and remnant of the balewa govt in the 1st republic.

I was never in any doubt about the origin of the 1st coup- it was an igbo coup within an (Igbo) coup and Ademoyega was the last Major recruited (circa Nov. '65) into the inner caucus. It is also instructive to note that even though Ademoyaga is a yorubaman and two of the operations was in yorubaland, he was not entrusted with leading any of the process. Captain E. N. Nwobosi was to lead the western region operation whilst Ifeajunna led the Lagos axis. Many people knew about the coup. Infact, akintola had just returned from the north where he had gone to intimate the sardunna about the impending coup whilst Ojukwu was quoted as saying, he wasn't sure if he had heard about the coup! Yeah right. As if its the kind of thing a military man of his rank and postition is likely to forget.

Moreover, Ironsi lied when he told the runt of Balewa govt. that the situation was too critical to call in the brits as the coup had pratically failed in the south and Nzeogwu had nothing to match down south with to actualise hiss threat. By mid-day 16th of January, the coup had failed in the south and both Ifeajunna and Okafor were having tea with the premier of eastern region before escaping to Ghana. Meanwhile, Ojukwu and Katsina were playing cat and mouse games with the neutralised Nzeogwu, up north.


Ironsi might have been am exemplary soldier he was a crappy statesman. He ought to have known that the northerners were not going to take the situation laying down especially with all the provocations emanating from the igbos, at the time. The "icing on his cake" which practically put a nail in his coffin was his May 24th Unification Decree. His 6 months tenure was just a catalogue of blunders aided in no small measures, by the igbo civilians advisers he surrounded himself, with.

Dede1:

I do not care who NPC ministers in coalition government elected to lead NPC. The issue in discuss is the nomination of Prime Minister by NPC ministers in a coalition government without their coalition partners from NCNC. Whether Zana Dipcharima is junior or senior should not be issue if only Dipcharima was nominated by the caucus of ministers from both coalition partners. Again, we are not deliberating on party hierarch but caucusing coalition partners to produce Prime Minister.

Pal, I think am quotable and take it as compliment if my texts were lifted to correctly direct the undiscerning audience.    

Don't try to be smart.

When NPC and NCNC decided to form a government both parties would have nominated their representatives in isolation and then trash out the details. I am sure that NPC selected Balewa to be PM while NCNC selected Zik. Zik, subsequently became Governor-general with Balewa becoming PM. There is no way NCNC would have selected Balewa.

Also, should NCNC seek to benefit from the actions of the coup-plotters if it was not a party to their actions? You can't have it both ways. The actions of NCNC implicitly point to an agenda. If the East did not support or was a party to the actions of the plotters, then it should simply have allowed Dipcharima to become PM. Perhaps, that might have saved lives.

T9ksy:

Thanks Bk,

I too have come across this info which infact, i have in my archive.

The initial story was by Richard Akinjide which was also colloborated by Shagari, another insider and remnant of the balewa govt in the 1st republic.

I was never in any doubt about the origin of the 1st coup- it was an igbo coup within an (Igbo) coup and Ademoyega was the last Major recruited (circa Nov. '65) into the inner caucus. It is also instructive to note that even though Ademoyaga is a yorubaman and two of the operations was in yorubaland, he was not entrusted with leading any of the process. Captain E. N. Nwobosi was to lead the western region operation whilst Ifeajunna led the Lagos axis. Many people knew about the coup. Infact, akintola had just returned from the north where he had gone to intimate the sardunna about the impending coup whilst Ojukwu was quoted as saying, he wasn't sure if he had heard about the coup! Yeah right. As if its the kind of thing a military man of his rank and postition is likely to forget.

Moreover, Ironsi lied when he told the runt of Balewa govt. that the situation was too critical to call in the brits as the coup had pratically failed in the south and Nzeogwu had nothing to match down south with to actualise hiss threat. By mid-day 16th of January, the coup had failed in the south and both Ifeajunna and Okafor were having tea with the premier of eastern region before escaping to Ghana. Meanwhile, Ojukwu and Katsina were playing cat and mouse games with the neutralised Nzeogwu, up north.


Ironsi might have been am exemplary soldier he was a crappy statesman. He ought to have known that the northerners were not going to take the situation laying down especially with all the provocations emanating from the igbos, at the time. The "icing on his cake" which practically put a nail in his coffin was his May 24th Unification Decree. His 6 months tenure was just a catalogue of blunders aided in no small measures, by the igbo civilians advisers he surrounded himself, with.

Correct; also note that Ademoyega did not kill anyone. Note I am not exonerating him; just stating a fact.

Posted by: Katsumoto

Also, should NCNC seek to benefit from the actions of the coup-plotters if it was not a party to their actions? You can't have it both ways. The actions of NCNC implicitly point to an agenda. If the East did not support or was a party to the actions of the plotters, then it should simply have allowed Dipcharima to become PM. Perhaps, that might have saved lives.

Exactly! According to Shagari and I quote "They had apparently been caucusing at Dr. Mbadiwe’s residence. He (Mbadiwe) was their choice of acting Prime Minister. This was naturally unacceptable to us since the NPC was the major governing party."[color=#990000][/color]

I guess, it was a win/win situation for the igbos hence when they could not get it thru the civilian govt. they went thru the military and Ironsi was handed the govt , at gunpoint. Hmmmmmmm, how ingenious!!!
Pity, they didn't count on the northerners staging a revenge coup!

@ Bk, glad you notice that small detail too. Thought I was alone on that score and like you rightly stated, no one is exonerating him. I guess, he must have been recruited with that twaddle that once successful, the coupist were going to hand over govt. to Awo. Maj. Ademoyega was a known Awoist unlike Banjo who was with Akintola.

Katsumoto:

Correct; also note that Ademoyega did not kill anyone. Note I am not exonerating him; just stating a fact.

Ofcourse, You are absolutely right. After all Yoruba sons dont Kill . . . . . .LOL

Apologies Katsumuto!

Posted by: chosen04

Ofcourse, You are absolutely right. After all Yoruba sons dont Kill . . . . . .LOL

Just stating the fact, as it is. No one implicitly said that Yoruba sons don't kill however as far as the first coup in the country is concerned, Maj. Ademoyega, the only Yoruba among the core coupists did not kill anyone. Fact is fact, my friend.

chosen04:

Ofcourse, You are absolutely right. After all Yoruba sons dont Kill . . . . . .LOL

There you go again with your dim-witted sarcasm.  
How does Ademoyega not killing anyone during the coup translate to 'Yoruba sons don't kill'?

chosen04:

Ofcourse, You are absolutely right. After all Yoruba sons dont Kill . . . . . .LOL

That's right. When we talk of the most treacherous killings in the history of Nigeria, it's been done by ibos.

They just hate it when it's done to them.

I guess Yorubas have to compete with you in savagery and barbarity!!

how does this help the yoruba people?

Katsumoto:

Don't try to be smart.

When NPC and NCNC decided to form a government both parties would have nominated their representatives in isolation and then trash out the details. I am sure that NPC selected Balewa to be PM while NCNC selected Zik. Zik, subsequently became Governor-general with Balewa becoming PM. There is no way NCNC would have selected Balewa.

Also, should NCNC seek to benefit from the actions of the coup-plotters if it was not a party to their actions? You can't have it both ways. The actions of NCNC implicitly point to an agenda. If the East did not support or was a party to the actions of the plotters, then it should simply have allowed Dipcharima to become PM. Perhaps, that might have saved lives.

Wow!!!!!!!!! If I had not read palatable stuffs from you before this crap, I would discontinued this discuss. Are you insinuating that leadership of NCNC was exclusively Igbo affair and from eastern region of Nigeria? Pal, please I have to remind you NCNC was adjudged as the only party with national pedigree. The party’s leadership paraded solid Yoruba stalwarts such as Ogunsanya, Akinfosele, Ransome-Kuti, TOS Besaon etc. I pity Nigeria.

T9ksy:

Posted by: chosen04


Just stating the fact, as it is. No one implicitly said that Yoruba sons don't kill however as far as the first coup in the country is concerned, Maj. Ademoyega, the only Yoruba among the core coupists did not kill anyone. Fact is fact, my friend.

Katsumoto:

There you go again with your dim-witted sarcasm.  
How does Ademoyega not killing anyone during the coup translate to 'Yoruba sons don't kill'?

Aigbofa:


That's right. When we talk of the most treacherous killings in the history of Nigeria, it's been done by ibos.

They just hate it when it's done to them.

I guess Yorubas have to compete with you in savagery and barbarity!!

All three of you are absolutely 100% right. . . . . . .

Infact, i saw him in my dream yesterday clapping, dancing and shouting ''I only participated in this coup revolution to watch and look and talk as other revolutionist kills'' . . . . . . . . . . . LOL

Dede1:


Wow!!!!!!!!! If I had not read palatable stuffs from you before this crap, I would discontinued this discuss. Are you insinuating that leadership of NCNC was exclusively Igbo affair and from eastern region of Nigeria? Pal, please I not have to remind you NCNC was adjudged as the only party with national pedigree. The party’s leadership paraded solid Yoruba stalwarts such as Ogunsanya, Akinfosele, Ransome-Kuti, TOS Besaon etc. I pity Nigeria.

Of course NCNC had Yoruba sons in its fold. That does not detract from the fact that most Igbos were in the NCNC. How many Igbos were in the AG or NPC? I see you stylishly avoided the point I made - NCNC was not present when NPC chose Balewa nor was NPC present when NCNC selected Zik. Did the liberal democrats select David Cameron or did the Tory party select Nick Clegg? NCNC had no business with the choice of NPC even if he was the most junior member of the house.

chyz:

how does this help the yoruba people?

How is the discussion of history supposed to help any group of people?

Katsumoto:

How is the discussion of history supposed to help any group of people?

This has been discussed many times before.Neither you or any of the people arguing were present that's why the argument is non-ending. How does this help the yoruba people?