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Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by abbey621(m): 12:46pm On Oct 21, 2011
@harakiri

The US govt alone has done far far far worse things to people both in the US and percieved "enemies" in other countries all in the name of preserving "national security". Why aren't the US forces involved in the Israel and Palestine issue? How about Syria? How about Eygpt?

Stop being so biased and listen, the US has done all that it can for the countries you mentioned above and would not be rushed into war. They are fully behind Isreal, any day any time. Syria is a disaster waiting to happen and as soon as the people decide that they are fed up, then NATO not the US would take charge. You seem to be confusing the US with NATO, the revolution in Libya was lead by NATO and not the US, the Europeans countries decided enough is enough and supported the people of Libya to win back their county from a ruthless dictator. Think about this, if the US really wanted to kill Gaddafi, do you think all the violence would have lasted this long?? The truth is, the US has a president that thinks now b4 he acts, the economy is fragile and we won't waste senseless money leading a war that's not our own.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by chmod777: 12:52pm On Oct 21, 2011
I never wanted to reply to this post until I started getting more irritated by some posts. In as much as we all see things from different perspectives but perhaps it is only in Africa that people would say

- all the things listed by kaz4sure without asking how much should the president and does the president earn (Gadafi and co) ,-how do we account for our government, how do we invest in our people so that we could stand tall, does the president own the country and WHO owns the country and its wealth.

- It is only in Africa people would say, yeah Rochas, Fasola, Osiomole etc are working. For christ sake what do you mean by working. What were they elected to do ? Who owns the money ? Does a man shout to the world yeah I have slept with my wife ?? Does it not make us stupid and make the servants (leaders) feel like gods ?/

I am afraid, our mental dispositions may not give rise to any meaningful change in the next say 400 years.
Poor Africa, Poor Nigeria, it is a pity
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by abbey621(m): 12:59pm On Oct 21, 2011
If only you can do what you are asking me to do - provide facts. I dont know what you are rambling about. Education is free in Libya, ditto health care. You can as well check the fuel price there and other "subsidies" which helped Libyans live better than most African states. Gadaffi took over from one of the most useless kings in the Arab world and his coup was more of a revolution for Libayns because King Idris was a western stooge who didnt know his left from his right. The coup in question was BLOODLESS! Google that.  I dont know where you got that "bloody coup" thing from. Killed 30,000? Where? Abu saliim prison? That was in the 90s and the people killed  in that prison were radical islamists who attacked their warders and killed them together with policemen guarding them. They also wanted to attack the seat of government and barracks same way they did in Bengazi in February  but were crushed. It is the remnants of this group that went to Iraq, Afghanistan and other islamic hot spots to fight against their todays comrade in arms - USA. They are the ones leading the "revolution" in Libya from Benghazi as we speak. Get your facts from an independent source and not from the utterly biased western media before accusing me of all kinds of nonsense.

@Owobokiri- The facts are there for you to accept, whether you like it or not! Don't let your hatred for the US, cloud your judgement. You said Libyans lived better than Nigerians, another lie yet again! Common internet is not so common in Libya, their roads are not different from Afghanistan and the common man lives on less than a dollar per day. Gaddafi lived a luxury life, with private jet and multitude of investments created using Libya's resources. How is this different from Abacha? Or would you say that Abacha was good for Nigeria, after-all he built schools and maintained subsidies on petroleum also! I don't know where your hatred for western civilization comes from, but let me remind you that even the computer or internet that you are using wouldn't be possible without western input and your life wouldn't even be half as interesting if not for social media and western integration, think well!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by knightride: 1:01pm On Oct 21, 2011
Tribute to the Hero (A man of his words)

A lion that would never turn back from it's attacker
A captain that will sink with his ship
A commander-in Chief that will never waiver
Have a good night sleep!

You'd rather die fighting
Than bolt away like a goat
If we find a leader like you in crises
Over us the enemies will not gloat

You said you would die a Martyr
And that was just as said
Your lifeless body dragged on the street
Really reminds me of the martyrs of old

To many, you died like a dog
To some you died a hero
But the fact is, your death is just an open door
For those that thinks of tomorrow

Sleep Well Colonel!
Heroes never die!
One Muammar Al-Qhaddafi! One Africa!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by knightride: 1:09pm On Oct 21, 2011
chmod777:

I never wanted to reply to this post until I started getting more irritated by some posts. In as much as we all see things from different perspectives but perhaps it is only in Africa that people would say

- all the things listed by kaz4sure without asking how much should the president and does the president earn (Gadafi and co) ,-how do we account for our government, how do we invest in our people so that we could stand tall, does the president own the country and WHO owns the country and its wealth.

- It is only in Africa people would say, yeah Rochas, Fasola, Osiomole etc are working. For christ sake what do you mean by working. What were they elected to do ? Who owns the money ? Does a man shout to the world yeah I have slept with my wife ?? Does it not make us silly and make the servants (leaders) feel like gods ?/

[color=Black]I am afraid, our mental dispositions may not give rise to any meaningful change in the next say 400 years.
Poor Africa, Poor Nigeria, it is a pity
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Well done man. The bolded is not a curse at all.
It is never their fault. A pity that many Africans just look without seeing at all.
May God have mercy on us.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by luluosas(m): 1:11pm On Oct 21, 2011
What are these rants all about? Libyans has been liberated from the clutches of poverty and the tyranny of Gaddafi, whether you believe it or not. How many of you are employed today, despite the huge resources at our government disposal? Is the West responsible for our government irresponsibilities? Some of you are not even ashamed to say that, 60% of Libyans don't work and yet, Gaddafi feeds and cloth them with their oil money. How much has our Nigerian government done for our graduates, let alone illiterates with our oil money? You all should get a life yor.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by Ossaifamous(m): 1:20pm On Oct 21, 2011
for those who think otherwise pls just give this nation a decade and we ll see
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by kluv2(m): 1:23pm On Oct 21, 2011
@frosbel,sorry to say this,you are not informed at all.you called someone that overthrew a king(goverment) with gun a legitimate ruler.was he elected?and even if he was,how many terms of five years has he exhausted?and talking about killings in sirte,wherever there is war,there will be killings and so that can happen,do you how many libyans ghadafi and his children have murdered in cold blood even without war?think man
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by knightride: 1:30pm On Oct 21, 2011
k-luv:

@frosbel,sorry to say this,you are not informed at all.you called someone that overthrew a king(goverment) with gun a legitimate ruler.was he elected?and even if he was,how many terms of five years has he exhausted?and talking about killings in sirte,wherever there is war,there will be killings and so that can happen,do you how many libyans ghadafi and his children have murdered in cold blood even without war?think man

Who told you he overthrew King Idris with Gun? Source Pls!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 1:34pm On Oct 21, 2011
abbey621:

@harakiri

Stop being so biased and listen, the US has done all that it can for the countries you mentioned above and would not be rushed into war. They are fully behind Isreal, any day any time. Syria is a disaster waiting to happen and as soon as the people decide that they are fed up, then NATO not the US would take charge. You seem to be confusing the US with NATO, the revolution in Libya was lead by NATO and not the US, the Europeans countries decided enough is enough and supported the people of Libya to win back their county from a ruthless dictator. Think about this, if the US really wanted to kill Gaddafi, do you think all the violence would have lasted this long?? The truth is, the US has a president that thinks now b4 he acts, the economy is fragile and we won't waste senseless money leading a war that's not our own.

You are the one who's biased and one track minded. The reason why i said the US has done far worse things is because people like you come here talking about all the "crimes" Ghaddafi commited to his people forgetting that there have been instances where the US govt (and other western nations) have been forced to use lethal force against protesters/citizens in their own soil. The military is invited to quell the situation, a code red is given and the orders are "shoot first and ask questions later". Nobody talks about this but when Ghaddafi does the same, he's the "BAD GUY" all because his country falls within Africa. When the US does it, it's because they are protecting "national security". When Ghaddafi did it, he's was labelled a "blood thirsty tyrant who wanted to hang unto power for eternity". Why can't the US do the same to North Korea? Let me guess. . .no one wants to risk a nuclear holocaust.

The US govt (and other western imperialists) don't involve themselves in situations they can't control or profit from. If there was no oil in Libya, there would be no involvement of western forces in that region. That's the cold truth and you know this (even if you deny it with all your might). Isn't it funny that in February, the "freedom fighters" has already signed a pact with the west in a meeting in London offering them 35% of the oil revenue in exchange for military aid and support? It's glaring and obvious to all and sundry my friend.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by gascoign1(m): 1:35pm On Oct 21, 2011
Ghadhafi should have done exactly what IBB done by stepping aside and find some easy manipulated man from the opposition to be his deputy or even president. He can surely enjoy his wealth and power and still live in peace like IBB, Now he has caused so much pain for his family and community,even his fourth generations can never live in Libya, what a shame!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by abbey621(m): 1:37pm On Oct 21, 2011
Who told you he overthrew King Idris with Gun? Source Pls!

@Knightride- Do you think a king can be overthrown with just mere words, Gaddafi was a military leader and ousted the king, according to military tactics. A coup can be bloodless but that does not mean it was peaceful either.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by abbey621(m): 1:41pm On Oct 21, 2011
Isn't it funny that in February, the "freedom fighters" has already signed a pact with the west in a meeting in London offering them 35% of the oil revenue in exchange for military aid and support? It's glaring and obvious to all and sundry my friend.


@harakiri- once again your statements carry a huge punch but with no facts to support it. Please cite your credible source and quench my doubts otherwise your words are just mere hearsay!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 1:56pm On Oct 21, 2011
abbey621:


@harakiri- once again your statements carry a huge punch but with no facts to support it. Please cite your credible source and quench my doubts otherwise your words are just mere hearsay!

I'll post the video of the credible source you need to see before you begin to see things clearly later on. In the meantime, you can check out these web-links :

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dabc248e-cda6-11e0-bb4f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1bQ7aopYP

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576471561966283794.html
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by kandiikane(m): 2:09pm On Oct 21, 2011
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 2:11pm On Oct 21, 2011
luluosas:

What are these rants all about? Libyans has been liberated from the clutches of poverty and the tyranny of Gaddafi, whether you believe it or not. How many of you are employed today, despite the huge resources at our government disposal? Is the West responsible for our government irresponsibilities? Some of you are not even ashamed to say that, 60% of Libyans don't work and yet, Gaddafi feeds and cloth them with their oil money. How much has our Nigerian government done for our graduates, let alone illiterates with our oil money? You all should get a life yor.

Posts like these just show how ill-informed people are of the on going events in Libya. Poverty? Where on earth did you get that information from? Libyans were living on a high-end level that was only comparable with some European countries and Saudi Arabia. The citizens lived better and comfortable lives than US and UK citizens and you're here talking about things you know nothing about. This is a man who paid $500 to each citizen each month from crude oil sales, gave $50,000 to newly weds, made education and health care free, housing was not an issue, cars were sold at 50% discount, gas/petrol/diesel/kerosene/cooking gas was sold at cheap rates, the country was free of debt for over 40 years, he spear headed the concept of the African Union, he stopped the exploitation of France by providing most of the funds to launch a satellite to handle Africa's communications and as a result, France lost over $500million in revenue (i can go on and on) and you say Libyans were "rescued from poverty"? How many Libyans have you seen traveling overseas in search of greener pasture? How many Libyans have you seen or heard of committing crimes like robbery or drug trafficking? How many Libyan women engage in selling their bodies for money either in Libya or abroad? You people just come here and advertise your crass ignorance.

Do your findings before you spew nonsense all over the place.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by jahofa: 2:54pm On Oct 21, 2011
Dear All,
In my own view, i think libyan will definitely regret what they did to Gadafi, the following are my reasons
1. Over 60percent of libyans dont work yet the man feed and cloth them with the oil money.
2. Gadafi try all his best to protect the libyan and libyan people from foreign attack, that is why libya is one of the most powerful country in Africa.
3. NATO and other western invasion into Libyan are doing all they are doing for their own interest i.e at the detriment of the libyan. They will destroy and rebuilt the country so that they can have control over their oil money.
If America and NATO are truely fighting for africa and not their personal interest why cant they intervene in civil war in Syria, Tunisia(recently concluded) and egypt(recentrly councluded), They are more particular about libyan because of the oil money and they have succedded in killing the only man who can stop them from achieving their aims.

The only area i fault gadhafi is that he outght to have surrendered honourably rather than ending his life in a misrable manner like this.


RIP Gadhafi A true Comrade,





Gadaffi is the only man who knew the truth of europeans, de came took our father s away & made them suffer & enslaved them , Still we broke the cuase & still made it untop, now the r hedin for our blessed resoures God blessed africa wid. use us as drug testing animals, then come back to sell it @ higher rate , & mostly adoltrated one which have adverse effect on us. i pity our African leaders, ges they should wake up & defend their country R I P GADAFFI R I P A GR8 MAN OF AFRICA sad
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by hlexzy: 3:25pm On Oct 21, 2011
kcjazz:

So? Is it not the Libyans money?

A population of 6 million people plus oil money, I will do better
Plus why does any governement invest in Italy's largest bank if he is anti-western as all you folks claim, when no bank in Libya can compete with even Nigeria's GTB.
Why does Italy maintain its oil fields if he was anti-west?
Why invest in Juventus FC? Who invests in soccer clubs to develop their country? Manchester UTD is the most valuable club and even Leyman Brothers earned more money on their last year of bankruptcy than Manchester United

If he educated his folks really, how come he has Ukranian nurses taking care of him?
Have you read any book by a Libyan author or used any science inventions of a Libyan?
Why does he have African bloods on his hands? Chad, Sierra Leone, Sudan and even possibly Nigeria

When we speak of African heros who fought imperialism then you talk of a man named Thomas Sankara (google him), way ahead of his time in the world and Africa. He supported womens right, educated more women, refused foreign debt and reduced governemnt cost drastically and guess who killed him? Blaise Compaore the current President of Burkina Faso, who was trained and sponsored by your African hero Ghadaffi.

At the end if he were that good, why did his people choose to celebrate his death? The west brainwashed them? He is like the rich man in the village who feeds everyone but suppresses anyone who wants to be richer than him.
At the end will Libya be better? short term No. Long term yes. He ruined his countries institutions cos he was trying to grab unto power and so they will start from scratch now and that process is difficult.
Guy! guess what? God don bless you don't loud it lipsrsealed You see poverty na bad thing seriously, when some Nigerians reason mehn you can tell poverty is in control, Imagine what is the total population of libya compare to Lagos yet producing more oil compare to Nigeria, imagine if you were born 42 years ago and all u know throughout your entire life was Gadhafi? shocked shocked shocked, You called your people rats but you hide in a hole grin grin grin, me as a person i seriously applaud this people courage, the only story my parents keep telling me since is all about Obasanjo, IBB and the rest same story same people i have to tell my children about, what a life shocked,
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by farouqb(m): 3:38pm On Oct 21, 2011
This is beyond libyans regretting its about Africa losing a great leader! Check this out.

Why the West wants the fall of Gaddafi.

http://www.rightsmonitoring.org/2011/04/why-the-west-wants-the-fall-of-gaddafi-an-analysis-in-defense-of-the-libyan-rais/
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 3:59pm On Oct 21, 2011
farouqb:

This is beyond libyans regretting its about Africa losing a great leader! Check this out.

Why the West wants the fall of Gaddafi.

http://www.rightsmonitoring.org/2011/04/why-the-west-wants-the-fall-of-gaddafi-an-analysis-in-defense-of-the-libyan-rais/

Nice one. Here's another link concerning the oil (WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON WHY THE WEST IS INTERESTED IN LIBYA). They aren't even hiding their shameless hypocrisy. It's all about oil and nothing more. . .

http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafis-death-helps-clear-way-oil-exports-203952322.html

He just died and they are already talking about oil. Imagine that!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by StephenJoseph(m): 4:31pm On Oct 21, 2011
I hate it wen pple knws d 2ruth bt dont say it out. Lets b sincere wif ourselves. Smbdy ruled 4 42yrs. Na wetin self. U want 2 rule till thy kingdom come. I solemly hate Gaddafi 4 dat. He has done so many evil fins- violatn human rights, killn innocents citizens, runnin an undemocratic system of govt etc. Those who support Gaddafi even in dis trend re idiot, fools, cowards, brat, insane, useless nd watever u called urself, u're all stupid. Tank God d useless dictator is dead. May his useless soul rest in gentless peace. Idiot!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 4:43pm On Oct 21, 2011
Stephen Joseph:

I hate it wen pple knws d 2ruth bt dont say it out. Lets b sincere wif ourselves. Smbdy ruled 4 42yrs. Na wetin self. U want 2 rule till thy kingdom come. I solemly hate Gaddafi 4 dat. He has done so many evil fins- violatn human rights, killn innocents citizens, runnin an undemocratic system of govt etc. Those who support Gaddafi even in dis trend re , fools, cowards, brat, insane, useless nd watever u called urself, u're all silly. Tank God d useless dictator is dead. May his useless soul rest in gentless peace. !

There are African leaders who have been ruling since Ghahdafi was a young naive young man. They are still in power and nobody is making any noise about it. Furthermore, DEMOCRACY DOESN'T WORK IN EVERY COUNTRY! ! ! Democracy might work in the west but that doesn't mean it can work in other countries. Look at Nigeria for instance. . .we have been practicing "democracy" since May 1999. Are we better off now than the military regimes or getting worse? The military rulers stole government money in the booths of their cars. Our "democratic leaders" cart away money in SHIP LOADS! I'm not supporting any military regimes rather i'm showing you how obtuse your statement is. There are countries that practice communism and dictatorship and doing quite well.

It's not about what form of government that's in place rather it's how it affects the people. At the end of the day, it's all about THE PEOPLE'S progress and nothing more. Now tell me, did Ghahdafi do well for his people or not? Answer me! ! ! Did he provide for them or not? Did he focus on looting funds rather than developing his country? This is a man who improved his economy to an extent he became a threat to the western imperialists. He was strictly against any form of foreign manipulation or imperialism. He blocked their strategies to exploit his country's resources.The west NEVER wants to see Africa grow. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT! ! !Start using your brain to think rather than being gullible to what the media feeds you with.

THINK!
THINK! !
THINK! ! !
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by Gbenge77(m): 4:57pm On Oct 21, 2011
even if they regret,so be it.
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by cardoso111(m): 5:02pm On Oct 21, 2011
Mohot,you definitely have some supporters in me.I was saddenned that he was killed.The reason is that you have not seen peace yet in Lybia and Africa !Many people dont know that USA has fuel!real fuel!! but they want to rule the world
He was to reunite Africa, i am so sad.
He died a hero though
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by darne(m): 5:06pm On Oct 21, 2011
owobokiri:

Very painfull to watch. How can they kill a man who biult their country from scratch in this way? This whole Arab spring is fake. It was designed to get rid of Gadaffi. People say he was bad and i ask; what wrong did he do? freee education? free healthcare? no debt? free power supply? made a country of 6 million people feared around the world? They just recruited islamist and baptised them "revolutionaries" and my fellow Africans are gobbling the propoganda dished out by the CNN, BBC, FOX and co. Very very sad day for dear Africa. Obama has taken this continent back to colonialism. He seem to be secretely angry with black Africans and this "Gadaffi job" maybe the reason why he was recruited by his white masters. Why is it that obama never said a word about the racist killing of black people in Libya by his NTC thugs? People say that Gadaffi killed protesters but they forget that NATO and the NTC have killed in 7 months more people than Gadafii will ever kill in a lifetime. over 50k. With this NATO precedence, Africa is screwed. VERYYY SAD here.

Really While People Were All Talking she!ts About Ghaddafi, I Really Felt Sad, In The Next 20 yrs they`ll have his Picture on their currency as Someone they Are missing, Fighting, Talking droppings, Libyan`s Will Live To Blame Their Self Forever RIP Ghaddafi, What You Did To Libyans NO NIGERIAN PRESIDENT HAS EVER DONE IT YET !!!!!!
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by kaz4sure: 5:31pm On Oct 21, 2011
Stephen Joseph:

I hate it wen pple knws d 2ruth bt dont say it out. Lets b sincere wif ourselves. Smbdy ruled 4 42yrs. Na wetin self. U want 2 rule till thy kingdom come. I solemly hate Gaddafi 4 dat. He has done so many evil fins- violatn human rights, killn innocents citizens, runnin an undemocratic system of govt etc. Those who support Gaddafi even in dis trend re , fools, cowards, brat, insane, useless nd watever u called urself, u're all silly. Tank God d useless dictator is dead. May his useless soul rest in gentless peace. !

Ur brain needs major surgery, senseless poster
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by jpphilips(m): 6:47pm On Oct 21, 2011
@ kobo

u said ;

Please go get for yourselves lives. The people he ruled over for 42 years are not complaining . . . na you go come matter?? Abeg shove it and look for the day you can become master of your own domain there for naija first. Grin Grin Grin


[b]i want to tell you that in situations like that people are used, people are deceived, most people are confused.
we read the testimony of an NTC fighter who admitted collecting money for number of opposition killed, who actually paid him?
we read about Ghadaffi using fighter planes on demonstrators you and I know how ridiculous such claims turn out matter of fact we have heard worse
"we in one voice and might should stand and fight evil living with us, evil that acquire weapons of mass destruction"
guess the above rings a bell?

i tell you what, the libyan society today can be likened to Nigerian April pre election era, where Nigerians turned out en masse to vote for a recurrent failure of 12yrs.
today are they really living in the phantasmagoria of the so called "fresh air"?
with the evidences before us, is it out of place to say that 22.5million Nigerians made a mistake of a lifetime? a mistake that in less than 100days has given birth to a society of complex cynical motives.

i regret to tell you that the people are not always right it all depends on the motive that drives the agenda of an individual. i see no reason why an autocratic system that works will not be preferred over a democracy of agony.

socio economic differences and cultural views goes a long way to shape peoples ideology, perhaps democracy worked for the west, there is no guarantee that it will work for the whole world. i don't see the west battling with ethnicity,religious bigotry and illiteracy like us so what makes them think that such complex societies will fare well with democracy?

Unfortunately, it will not take time before the libyan people will realize that they have been conned big time by the west.

by killing ghadaffi, they embraced imperialism, they have lost their defenses (military unity and hard wares (making them more vulnerable and capitulative)) they have lost basic infrastructures that would have helped them correct this gruesome error.
tell me; who selected the NTC leaders? (libyan people?), why are the NTC leaders fighting themselves?

Democracy is not for the Arabs and Africans it doesn't just work for them do your research

LIBYA IS FUC.KED[/b]
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by 49cents(m): 7:38pm On Oct 21, 2011
All these conspiracy theories about ghadaffi being a hero and blah blah is just too pointless, ghadaffi had no right to impose himself on his people indefinitely; let me give you thousands of dollars monthly but forbid you to trod the path of self determination and let me see how happy you'll be?

the human spirit wants freedom more than anything else ghadaffi apologists must understand this

If the NTC fail to create a trully free and properous libya it is another matter altogether; if feels so good choosing the leaders who you want to lead you, many of you dont know what it is
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 7:42pm On Oct 21, 2011
jp philips:

@ kobo

u said ;


i want to tell you that in situations like that people are used, people are deceived, most people are confused.
[color=#990000][b]we read the testimony of an NTC fighter who admitted collecting money for number of opposition killed, who actually paid him?

we read about Ghadaffi using fighter planes on demonstrators you and I know how ridiculous such claims turn out matter of fact we have heard worse
"we in one voice and might should stand and fight evil living with us, evil that acquire weapons of mass destruction"
guess the above rings a bell?

i tell you what, the libyan society today can be likened to Nigerian April pre election era, where Nigerians turned out en masse to vote for a recurrent failure of 12yrs.
today are they really living in the phantasmagoria of the so called "fresh air"?
with the evidences before us, is it out of place to say that 22.5million Nigerians made a mistake of a lifetime? a mistake that in less than 100days has given birth to a society of complex cynical motives.

i regret to tell you that the people are not always right it all depends on the motive that drives the agenda of an individual. i see no reason why an autocratic system that works will not be preferred over a democracy of agony.

socio economic differences and cultural views goes a long way to shape peoples ideology, perhaps democracy worked for the west, there is no guarantee that it will work for the whole world. i don't see the west battling with ethnicity,religious bigotry and illiteracy like us so what makes them think that such complex societies will fare well with democracy?

Unfortunately, it will not take time before the libyan people will realize that they have been conned big time by the west.

by killing ghadaffi, they embraced imperialism, they have lost their defenses (military unity and hard wares (making them more vulnerable and capitulative)) they have lost basic infrastructures that would have helped them correct this gruesome error.
tell me; who selected the NTC leaders? (libyan people?), why are the NTC leaders fighting themselves?

Democracy is not for the Arabs and Africans it doesn't just work for them do your research

LIBYA IS FUC.KED[/b][/color]

Thank you so so so much for the highlighted points above. You know, i dislike using foul language but with the kind of things i'm seeing and the kind of reetarded comments I've seen on this thread. . .it's becoming quite clear that Africans (especially black Africans) are the dumbest people on the face of the earth. Thinking outside the box is a gift only a handful of them possess. They lack the zeal to bring progressive change. They are much better in destructive change. See how a lot of them are jumping with glee that "the evil tyrant" has been killed! We will be watching as events unfold in the next few years. The irony of it all is that the same people who are happy Ghahdafi is dead are the same people that will come here to criticize the current people mishandling the country's resources.

It won't be long (the west is already talking about Libya's oil. . .Hahahahaha grin grin shocked)
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by yelanst(m): 7:54pm On Oct 21, 2011
these are Gadaffi last words-Allah forgive them for they know not what the are doing? Libyans have just welcomed the almighty imperialistic West into their domain. Pity. cry cry cry cry cry cry
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by harakiri(m): 8:01pm On Oct 21, 2011
49cents:

All these conspiracy theories about ghadaffi being a hero and blah blah is just too pointless, ghadaffi had no right to impose himself on his people indefinitely; let me give you thousands of dollars monthly but forbid you to trod the path of self determination and let me see how happy you'll be?

the human spirit wants freedom more than anything else ghadaffi apologists must understand this

If the NTC fail to create a trully free and properous libya it is another matter altogether; if feels so good choosing the leaders who you want to lead you, many of you dont know what it is



***[s]The same ol same ol reetarded comments again[/s]***

You claim Ghahdafi had "no right" to impose himself on his people. What "right" does the west have in meddling in the affairs of other countries? What right did Bush have in invading Iraq on false accusations of WMD's? Has any WMD been found? Almost 2 million innocent people dead all because of the west's greed for oil and nobody is saying anything. If it was another country, Bush should have stood trial for war crimes and should be serving a lengthy jail sentence by now. What do you have to say about that huh? What "right" did he have to invade Iraq? Can they invade Russia,Germany,China or Israel like that? Hell NO!

What "freedom" are you talking about? You obviously aren't informed on anything concerning Libya except what CNN feeds you with. Believe it or not, his people had far more freedoms than Nigerians in the so called democratic dispensation. Citizens who intended studing abroad where not restricted rather they were encouraged and funded (about $2,300 allowance each month minus other things). The citizens were living in paradise and a great majority of their young adults have NEVER worked a day in their lives. Even the Nigerians who were there when the violence started felt reluctant to come back to Nigeria. How many Libyan women have you seen selling their bodies for money? How many Libyans have you heard being involved in crimes such as fraud,drug trafficking and armed robbery? How many Libyans have you seen or heard travelling to the west in search of a "better life"? The only reason Libyans travel abroad is either for education or to see the world/vacation. Why would they want to leave their comfort zone to go and suffer hardship in the west? What does the west have to offer them other than persecuting them for being moslems, caging them for life with debt and corrupting their values?

Tell me, how did Ghahdafi restrict their freedoms? Hmmm? Let me guess. . .you'll come here and spew the same bull$hit stories the media fed you with. The lifestyle Ghahdafi provided for his citizens is a height Nigeria may never attain in the next 500 years with the way things are going in this "democratic governance".

You people just come here and spill nonsensical sentiments without a clue of what you're talking about.

Pitiful! ! !
Re: Libyans Will Regret What They Did To Ghadafi.! by Babinski: 8:25pm On Oct 21, 2011
African leaders need to understand this Yoruba prover translated: "When you stay too much on shit or feaces, all kinds of flies get to touch you!". It doesn't matter your intention, whether they are noble or not. It is just reality. Do your best a leave the rest. I learnt that from primary school! Ghadafi alas learnt that too late regardless of his goodies, intentions and plans for the Libyan people.

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