LordReed:


So does it mean I can claim that Dangote is my grandfather?

A video of the events would have been helpful. LoL

You live in 2021, there are some more things you can do than 2000years ago. If you claim that you were such person in Israel 2000years ago, they'd trace your genealogy, asides witnesses.

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You live in 2021, there are some more things you can do than 2000years ago. If you claim that you were such person in Israel 2000years ago, they'd trace your genealogy, asides witnesses.

Excellent! So how would people 2000 years ago have verified that someone rose from the dead?

LordReed:


Bishop Oyedepo was not there when Jesus resurrected so I dunno why you are mentioning him?

Being an alternative doesn’t mean it was a reference to Christ. You can point where in the article it says that it was founded based on a reference to Christ.

He fits your definition of independent people outside the bible na. No be people wey Jesus appear to go talk say dem see am?

It became alternative for religious neutrality. From the link as requested, CE and BCE are popular in academic and scientific publications as religiously neutral terms.[7][8] They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not explicitly referring to Jesus as "Christ" nor as Dominus ("Lord" through use of the other abbreviations.

In other words, it came from AD and BC.

LordReed:


Excellent! So how would people 2000 years ago have verified that someone rose from the dead?

By asking people who claimed so.There is absolutely no way a bunch of scared fishermen would have maintained(TO THE POINT OF PRISON AND DEATH) that Jesus Christ resurrected if they didn't see Him.

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By asking people who claimed so.There is absolutely no way a bunch of scared fishermen would have maintained(TO THE POINT OF PRISON AND DEATH) that Jesus Christ resurrected if they didn't see Him.

Therefore there's absolutely no way some people would blow themselves up unless they are absolutely convinced that they are getting a reward in heaven for it, oes that make their belief a fact? The apostles' conviction to point of death was is not evidence. People are tenacious for all sorts of things both true and false. If tenaciousness to the point of death was a criteria for truth, you'd have been a Muslim.

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He fits your definition of independent people outside the bible na. No be people wey Jesus appear to go talk say dem see am?

It became alternative for religious neutrality. From the link as requested, CE and BCE are popular in academic and scientific publications as religiously neutral terms.[7][8] They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not explicitly referring to Jesus as "Christ" nor as Dominus ("Lord" through use of the other abbreviations.

In other words, it came from AD and BC.

I am talking of 2000years ago when the event purportedly took place.

It did not come from AD and BC. Did you not see: The term "Common Era" is traced back in English to its appearance as "Vulgar Era" to distinguish dates on the Ecclesiastic calendar in popular use from dates of the regnal year, the year of the reign of a sovereign, typically used in national law. (The word 'vulgar' originally meant 'of the ordinary people', with no derogatory associations.)
It is very clear there is no reference to Christ in it's origins.

wirinet:


God lied to Adam or should I say God did not explain what kind of death he meant by "You will surely die", because Adam and Eve went on to live over 900 years after eating the fruit.

The person that actually told the truth was the devil or serpent. He told Eve that they would not die, but would acquire knowable should they eat the fruit. And knowledge they acquired after eating the fruit and not death.

If you don't want your kids to die by drinking poison, you don't put poisoned orange drunk in the middle of their room and instruct them not to drink it no matter how enticing it looks, in order to test their obedience to you. If we all try it, most of us will not have any kids left.

You talk with much ignorance based on a comic assumption that Adam and Eve were walking babies learning ABC and nursery rhymes. You think they knew nothing like your Stone Age parents who used their fingers as cutlass. The Adam mentioned in the Bible was a Son of God, not just a man. He was a direct created personality by God just like the angels. This was someone with singular capacity to maintain an Edenic Eden and command every living thing. It is not Moses job to write his biography or resume for you, use your God given brain bra.
Adam knew exactly what God meant by him dying and was never deceived by the serpent. He made his decision and even tried to blame God and his wife for it. As a son of God, he knew what real life was and knew what the tree of life was. He knew very well that God is a Spirit and that he was created to be spiritual. He was no kid but the most complete, "perfect" man that ever lived.

Bishopkingsley:


om·nip·o·tent
/ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything good .
"God is described as omnipotent and benevolent" in many places in the Bible

God is indeed all powerful


Question
But you can tell me why you think he is not omnipotent

god is so so limited. god cannot make me to join any filthy religion. There r a million and one things out there that god can't do.

Another lie is all religion claim they were created by their so called god and their destinies r in d hands of their so called god. That self-centered spirit only knows ur destiny but can't control it, hence takes advantage of that to deceive gullible ones.

Too many lies from god herself.

LordReed:


It is not an excuse, it is a simple fact. You are not Catholic, I doubt you are Baptist or Anglican or Methodist or any of the other orthodox church denominations. Do you know how many denominations of Christians there are who believe this triune god doctrine, a lot so why are you not united in that simple fact? Is that not what Jesus supposedly prayed for? Yet you see Christians bashing other Christians for differences in doctrines and saying they are going to hell or in some cases killing them. That is not what one would expect from the supervision of an omnipotent, omniscient god.

All those churches you mentioned have one thing in common like I told you you before they all believe in the triune God

The father
The son
The holy spirit

That is what makes us one it who we worship that makes us one not the doctrine because each man of God, each church has an area God called him to focus on

The body is made up of different members that how churches are every one can't be the eye or the leg but together we are complete in Christ

You don't understand how God designed it that why I find it hard to explain to you

Peter and Paul had disagreement even though they were both called Paul and Barnabas had to separate because God told them to separate so that the work of God will spread more

There is nothing wrong with having different churches it how God wants it it does not mean we are not one in the spirit because we are actually one in the spirit

Bishopkingsley:


All those churches you mentioned have one thing in common like I told you you before they all believe in the triune God

The father
The son
The holy spirit

That is what makes us one it who we worship that makes us one not the doctrine because each man of God, each church has an area God called him to focus on

The body is made up of different members that how churches are every one can't be the eye or the leg but together we are complete in Christ

You don't understand how God designed it that why I find it hard to explain to you

Peter and Paul had disagreement even though they were both called Paul and Barnabas had to separate because God told them to separate so that the work of God will spread more

There is nothing wrong with having different churches it how God wants it it does not mean we are not one in the spirit because we are actually one in the spirit

LoL! Ok o lemme not see you coming here to say any triune god believer is going to hell or any those no true Scotsman fallacies you guys normally indulging in.

FantasyHub:





god is so so limited. god cannot make me to join any filthy religion. There r a million and one things out there that god can't do.

Another lie is all religion claim they were created by their so called god and their destinies r in d hands of their so called god. That self-centered spirit only knows ur destiny but can't control it, hence takes advantage of that to deceive gullible ones.

Too many lies from god herself.

No there are point you need to understand

First God can do all good things, nothing good is impossible for God to do

So it is a wrong thing and an evil thing for any one to force you or make you to join what you don't want to join

So you see God can't do that to you because it is wrong and it is an evil thing to do

You have a freewill God gave you so he won't step on your will

Yes there are millions things God can't do because there are millions of evil things he can't do

But any thing good that is what he can do so think of any thing God and that is what God can do

God does not have the ability to lie so that is why he is a beautiful God a good God

LordReed:


LoL! Ok o lemme not see you coming here to say any triune god believer is going to hell or any those no true Scotsman fallacies you guys normally indulging in.

Funny so you have not seen my other topics here am a pro triune God preacher

https://www.nairaland.com/bishopkingsley/topics


That my area of calling to reveal who God is to people

Matthew 28:19 ►
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

You can find God in science too

Bishopkingsley:
You can find God in science too

How can God be everywhere and still be somewhere ?

sonmvayina:


How can God be everywhere and still be somewhere ?

Because he is all powerful

He is the great God

God is infinite in power

There is nothing good that God can not do

Bishopkingsley:


Because he is all powerful

He is the great God

God is infinite in power

There is nothing good that God can not do

You might want to compare with Isaiah 45:7..

But he can't forgive me when I confess my sins and forsake my evil ways? Abi

sonmvayina:


You might want to compare with Isaiah 45:7..

But he can't forgive me when I confess my sins and forsake my evil ways? Abi

God forgive all sin forever for those who ask for forgiveness

Bishopkingsley:


God forgive all sin forever for those who ask for forgiveness

So who ordered for Jesus to die for sins?

sonmvayina:


So who ordered for Jesus to die for sins?

The father sent Jesus to take the sin of the world and Jesus equally volunteer himself to do it when he said here I am Send me


The only reason that you ask this question is because you don't know how you are created

You don't know that you are one person who has three qualities that make you one person

I told you until you understand how God created you before you can understand how God is

You are one being

But this one being is made up of three dimension

The body
The soul
The spirit


Until you understand this things before you can understand how God is

Bishopkingsley:



The father sent Jesus to take the sin of the world and Jesus equally volunteer himself to do it when he said here I am Send me


The only reason that you ask this question is because you don't know how you are created

You don't know that you are one person who has three qualities that make you one person

I told you until you understand how God created you before you can understand how God is

You are one being

But this one being is made up of three dimension

The body
The soul
The spirit


Until you understand this things before you can understand how God is

If I can pray and sincerely ask God for forgiveness and he will forgive, why would he send Jesus to come and die for sin. When he has already told me what to do as in 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Bishopkingsley:



The father sent Jesus to take the sin of the world and Jesus equally volunteer himself to do it when he said here I am Send me


The only reason that you ask this question is because you don't know how you are created

You don't know that you are one person who has three qualities that make you one person

I told you until you understand how God created you before you can understand how God is

You are one being

But this one being is made up of three dimension

The body
The soul
The spirit


Until you understand this things before you can understand how God is

The body comes from the earth
The spirit comes from God

Where does the soul comes from?

sonmvayina:


If I can pray and sincerely ask God for forgiveness and he will forgive, why would he send Jesus to come and die for sin. When he has already told me what to do as in 2nd chronicles 7:14.

This is the third time that I have explained this verse to you yet you won't understand it or remember it

Now

The key to understanding any verse of Scripture is context. There is the immediate context—the verses before and after it, as well as the larger context of Scripture—how the verse fits into the overall story.

When approaching 2 Chronicles 7:14, one must first consider the immediate context.

After Solomon dedicated the temple, the Lord appeared to him and gave him some warnings and reassurances.

“The Lord appeared to him at night and said: ‘I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.’

When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land”
(2 Chronicles 7:12–14).


Answer

The immediate context of 2 Chronicles 7:14 shows that the verse is tied up with physical Israel and the physical temple and the fact that from time to time God might send judgment upon the land in the form of drought, locusts, or pestilence if they sinned.


Notice

A few verses later God says this: “But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name.

I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. This temple will become a heap of rubble. All who pass by will be appalled and say,

‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them’” (2 Chronicles 7:19–22).


So you see

That scripture place has been suspended because....... Look what God said....

‘I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.’


Second chronicles 7:14.
No longer holds, the promise has been suspended because physical Israel disobeyed God which resulted in the physical temple to be distroyed

Don't you see the place that Solomon built the temple which God said I have chosen this temple for sacrifice.... Before God made that vow to Israel... Don't you see that the temple has been distroyed... And Islam mosque is standing in that position or near the position

This shows the vow God made which means as long as the temple stands that vow stands but if the temple is not standing that vow is nullified

Hope you now understand it and can now remember it

sonmvayina:


The body comes from the earth
The spirit comes from God

Where does the soul comes from?

Jeremiah 38:16
The New King James Version
16 So Zedekiah the king swore secretly to Jeremiah, saying, “As the Lord lives, who made our very souls, I will not put you to death, nor will I give you into the hand of these men who seek your life.”

Jeremiah 38:16
English Standard Version
16 Then King Zedekiah swore secretly to Jeremiah, “As the Lord lives, who made our souls, I will not put you to death or deliver you into the hand of these men who seek your life.


From this place you can see who made our souls God made our soul and it came from God

Bishopkingsley:


Jeremiah 38:16
The New King James Version
16 So Zedekiah the king swore secretly to Jeremiah, saying, “As the Lord lives, who made our very souls, I will not put you to death, nor will I give you into the hand of these men who seek your life.”

Jeremiah 38:16
English Standard Version
16 Then King Zedekiah swore secretly to Jeremiah, “As the Lord lives, who made our souls, I will not put you to death or deliver you into the hand of these men who seek your life.


From this place you can see who made our souls God made our soul and it came from God

I agree with you 10000%

So at death, the body returns to the earth and becomes one with it.
The spirit/soul returns to God who owns it..


What goes to hell?

Bishopkingsley:


This is the third time that I have explained this verse to you yet you won't understand it or remember it

Now

The key to understanding any verse of Scripture is context. There is the immediate context—the verses before and after it, as well as the larger context of Scripture—how the verse fits into the overall story.

When approaching 2 Chronicles 7:14, one must first consider the immediate context.

After Solomon dedicated the temple, the Lord appeared to him and gave him some warnings and reassurances.

“The Lord appeared to him at night and said: ‘I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.’

When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land”
(2 Chronicles 7:12–14).


Answer

The immediate context of 2 Chronicles 7:14 shows that the verse is tied up with physical Israel and the physical temple and the fact that from time to time God might send judgment upon the land in the form of drought, locusts, or pestilence if they sinned.


Notice

A few verses later God says this: “But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name.

I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. This temple will become a heap of rubble. All who pass by will be appalled and say,

‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them’” (2 Chronicles 7:19–22).


So you see

That scripture place has been suspended because....... Look what God said....

‘I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.’


Second chronicles 7:14.
No longer holds, the promise has been suspended because physical Israel disobeyed God which resulted in the physical temple to be distroyed

Don't you see the place that Solomon built the temple which God said I have chosen this temple for sacrifice.... Before God made that vow to Israel... Don't you see that the temple has been distroyed... And Islam mosque is standing in that position or near the position

This shows the vow God made which means as long as the temple stands that vow stands but if the temple is not standing that vow is nullified

Hope you now understand it and can now remember it

Lol..you are just blabbing...where did he say he will send his son as a sin sacrifice in that chapter ??

sonmvayina:


I agree with you 10000%

So at death, the body returns to the earth and becomes one with it.
The spirit/soul returns to God who owns it..


What goes to hell?

Now the soul is inside the spirit of human when a person is created the soul immediately comes out from the spirit and takes over the person brain it lives in the mind of the person while the spirit lives in the heart of the person


The soul is what powers up your intellect while the spirit gives life to the body

Do you see how it works

Now when a person dies the soul immediately goes back into the spirit of the person and both return to God

But the soul dies inside the spirit when a human being dies and this then makes the spirit of the person to be at a sleeping mode when it returns to God

The spirit is sleeping when it returns to God

Now what goes to hell fire is what Bible calls spiritual body , God is going to give every one another body called spiritual body to replace the dead body that goes to the earth


This spiritual body can live in hell or heaven or earth.... When God gives you a new spiritual body then he sends back your sleeping spirit back to that spiritual body and you become Like you are before the only difference is that this new spiritual body can not die any more but can only die in the lake of fire


When judgment is made concerning what you did on earth and who you worshiped on earth when you were alive with the physical body

sonmvayina:



Lol..you are just blabbing...where did he say he will send his son as a sin sacrifice in that chapter ??

are we talking about his son or about why that forgiveness no longer holds

Do you even know what we are talking about

Why say blabbing...... Be mindful the words you use

Bishopkingsley:


are we talking about his son or about why that forgiveness no longer holds

Do you even know what we are talking about

Why say blabbing...... Be mindful the words you use

So when did God say if we sincerely repent, he won't forgive us??

Bishopkingsley:


Now the soul is inside the spirit of human when a person is created the soul immediately comes out from the spirit and takes over the person brain it lives in the mind of the person while the spirit lives in the heart of the person


The soul is what powers up your intellect while the spirit gives life to the body

Do you see how it works

Now when a person dies the soul immediately goes back into the spirit of the person and both return to God

But the soul dies inside the spirit when a human being dies and this then makes the spirit of the person to be at a sleeping mode when it returns to God

The spirit is sleeping when it returns to God

Now what goes to hell fire is what Bible calls spiritual body , God is going to give every one another body called spiritual body to replace the dead body that goes to the earth


This spiritual body can live in hell or heaven or earth.... When God gives you a new spiritual body then he sends back your sleeping spirit back to that spiritual body and you become Like you are before the only difference is that this new spiritual body can not die any more but can only die in the lake of fire


When judgment is made concerning what you did on earth and who you worshiped on earth when you were alive with the physical body

Can you back this up with old testament quotes...

Please. I don't need any from the Christian Bible.. that is what we are contesting...

sonmvayina:


So when did God say if we sincerely repent, he won't forgive us??

I don't think you read that post properly you don't understand the ways of God that why you find it hard to understand spiritual things

sonmvayina:


Can you back this up with old testament quotes...

Please. I don't need any from the Christian Bible.. that is what we are contesting...

If you don't need Christian Bible then we can't be on the same page

Because you need to first believe the lamp of God who takes away the sin of the world


Before you can understand this spiritual things

Bishopkingsley:


If you don't need Christian Bible then we can't be on the same page

Because you need to first believe the lamp of God who takes away the sin of the world


Before you can understand this spiritual things

Why? Are you trying to cajole me into believing in a false God or an idol?

I only worship my creator and I am 1000% sure he is not from Israel or that he was executed on a cross. Numbers 23:19