Kingsnairaland:


I thought you were comparing Adam to a child am talking about humanity

Is Adam not supposedly a child of the god?

LordReed:


Is Adam not supposedly a child of the god?

Adam was probably a 30 year old man when he was created so scriptures let us know we are gods so Adam was fully grown

And sinned by choice

MaxInDHouse, what do you have to say to this?

Bishopkingsley:
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The Bible states that God can be both present to a person in a manifest manner (Psalm 46:1, Isaiah 57:15) as well as being present in every situation in all of creation at any given time (Psalm 33:13-14).

Most Relevant Verses

1 Kings 8:27
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“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!

2 Chronicles 6:18
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“But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

2 Chronicles 2:6
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But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?

Psalm 113:4-6
The Lord is high above all nations;
His glory is above the heavens.
Who is like the Lord our God,
Who is enthroned on high,
Who humbles Himself to behold
The things that are in heaven and in the earth?

Psalm 139:7-12
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,
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Jeremiah 23:23-24
“Am I a God who is near,” declares the Lord,
“And not a God far off?
“Can a man hide himself in hiding places
So I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.

Numbers 14:21
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but indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 4:39
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Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Isaiah 6:3
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And one called out to another and said,
“Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,
The whole earth is full of His glory.”

Isaiah 66:1
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Thus says the Lord,
“Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.
Where then is a house you could build for Me?
And where is a place that I may rest?

Amos 9:2-3
“Though they dig into Sheol,
From there will My hand take them;
And though they ascend to heaven,
From there will I bring them down.
“Though they hide on the summit of Carmel,
I will search them out and take them from there;
And though they conceal themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea,
From there I will command the serpent and it will bite them.

Amos 9:2-3
“Though they dig into Sheol,
From there will My hand take them;
And though they ascend to heaven,
From there will I bring them down.
“Though they hide on the summit of Carmel,
I will search them out and take them from there;
And though they conceal themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea,
From there I will command the serpent and it will bite them.

Proverbs 15:3
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The eyes of the Lord are in every place,
Watching the evil and the good.

2 Chronicles 16:9
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For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His. You have acted foolishly in this. Indeed, from now on you will surely have wars.”

Zechariah 4:10
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For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the Lord which range to and fro throughout the earth.”

Acts 17:27-28
that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

Psalm 34:18
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The Lord is near to the brokenhearted
And saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Isaiah 57:15
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For thus says the high and exalted One
Who lives forever, whose name is Holy,
“I dwell on a high and holy place,
And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit
In order to revive the spirit of the lowly
And to revive the heart of the contrite.

Psalm 145:18
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The Lord is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth.

Psalm 16:8
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I have set the Lord continually before me;
Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.

Isaiah 50:8
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He who vindicates Me is near;
Who will contend with Me?
Let us stand up to each other;
Who has a case against Me?
Let him draw near to Me.

Exodus 33:15-16
Then he said to Him, “If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here. For how then can it be known that I have found favor in Your sight, I and Your people? Is it not by Your going with us, so that we, I and Your people, may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth?”

Psalm 14:5
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There they are in great dread,
For God is with the righteous generation.

Isaiah 43:2
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“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they will not overflow you.
When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched,
Nor will the flame burn you.

Zephaniah 3:17
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“The Lord your God is in your midst,
A victorious warrior.
He will exult over you with joy,
He will be quiet in His love,
He will rejoice over you with shouts of joy.

1 Corinthians 14:25
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the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

Joshua 1:9
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Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”

Genesis 28:15
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Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”

Genesis 31:3
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Then the Lord said to Jacob, “Return to the land of your fathers and to your relatives, and I will be with you.”

Exodus 29:45
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I will dwell among the sons of Israel and will be their God.

Leviticus 26:12
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I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.

Deuteronomy 20:1
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“When you go out to battle against your enemies and see horses and chariots and people more numerous than you, do not be afraid of them; for the Lord your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, is with you.

Deuteronomy 31:8
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The Lord is the one who goes ahead of you; He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.”

Matthew 28:20
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teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

1 Corinthians 3:16
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Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

John 14:18
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“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Ephesians 2:22
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in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

1 John 3:24
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The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Psalm 113:3
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From the rising of the sun to its setting
The name of the Lord is to be praised.

Psalm 72:19
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And blessed be His glorious name forever;
And may the whole earth be filled with His glory.
Amen, and Amen.

Psalm 96:7-9
Ascribe to the Lord, O families of the peoples,
Ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
Ascribe to the Lord the glory of His name;
Bring an offering and come into His courts.
Worship the Lord in holy attire;
Tremble before Him, all the earth.

Malachi 1:11
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For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.

Revelation 5:13
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And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

Did God know that Adam will disobey him?

Kingsnairaland:

Am talking about Adam as a son not child

Still thesame thing....

Kingsnairaland:


Free will is a powerful thing and God gave it to humanity to use as they see fit so imagine if God interrupts us all the time then we will not be able to use the free will as we want.

So God was there but he won't manifest to stop it because man has free will ability to chose right or wrong.

how can freewill and omniscient work together.

Doesn't make sense

Kingsnairaland:


Adam was probably a 30 year old man when he was created so scriptures let us know we are gods so Adam was fully grown

And sinned by choice

So 30years old are not children of the god?

Image123:


Adam was a very intelligent man with freewill who knew what he was doing, not a child unfortunately.

Doesn't make sense. I really want to have a sane discussion with you now but if you become rude then be my guest.

Freewill and omniscient are mutually exclusive, they can't work together.
God has a divine plan, his divine plans cannot work if we have freewill. It puts his plans in the hands of the freewill of men, which implies that he works with probabilities now. It's a big blow to his omniscient nature. Freewill will always distort the plans of God and put his omniscient nature to a question.

This played out in the Bible stories, he changed his plans several times, during the time of Adam, Noah and Jesus etc. It doesn't seem to me that he knows anything, his plans are based on the freewill he gave to us hence the reason for the several changes.

Workch:
Did God know that Adam will disobey him?

Yes of course God knows all things

LordReed:


The question is will you standby and do nothing but watch?

What is a wizard?

i did something already, i raised him up and warned him. God forbid that I raise a fool. Check a dictionary for "wizard" in context.

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Still thesame thing....

A son knows right from wrong a child does not.... Both are different.... Besides Adam Bible let us know chose to dis obey on purpose

Workch:
how can freewill and omniscient work together.

Doesn't make sense

omniscient... having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight... Shows I know what your free will will do but I let you do as you please because I am God

God is all in all so he is not afraid of knowing that your free will will lead to death

God is not afraid of anything it results

LordReed:


So 30years old are not children of the god?

Adam or human beings are gods awesome power was given to Adam so there is no room for disobedience

Workch:
Doesn't make sense. I really want to have a sane discussion with you now but if you become rude then be my guest.

Freewill and omniscient are mutually exclusive, they can't work together.
God has a divine plan, his divine plans cannot work if we have freewill. It puts his plans in the hands of the freewill of men, which implies that he works with probabilities now. It's a big blow to his omniscient nature. Freewill will always distort the plans of God and put his omniscient nature to a question.

This played out in the Bible stories, he changed his plans several times, during the time of Adam, Noah and Jesus etc. It doesn't seem to me that he knows anything, his plans are based on the freewill he gave to us hence the reason for the several changes.

God knows what your free will will result into no matter what you decide it can never be above God's will or God's plan that is where our limits stops

You can't become God over night and over ride his own will because you don't have such authority or power

Workch:
Doesn't make sense. I really want to have a sane discussion with you now but if you become rude then be my guest.

Freewill and omniscient are mutually exclusive, they can't work together.
God has a divine plan, his divine plans cannot work if we have freewill. It puts his plans in the hands of the freewill of men, which implies that he works with probabilities now. It's a big blow to his omniscient nature. Freewill will always distort the plans of God and put his omniscient nature to a question.

This played out in the Bible stories, he changed his plans several times, during the time of Adam, Noah and Jesus etc. It doesn't seem to me that he knows anything, his plans are based on the freewill he gave to us hence the reason for the several changes.

Lol, you're a joker. Are you not sane enough to know that you are the chief rude one anytime you deride other people's gods or God?
You don't know anything or believe much about freewill and omniscience to make claims about exclusivity.

Kingsnairaland:


A son knows right from wrong a child does not.... Both are different.... Besides Adam Bible let us know chose to dis obey on purpose

God just abandoned two newly created human beings with a talking snake what was he expecting....
Why did God not forgive and forget...

LordReed:


I talking about children not human race. If you will watch your children harm themselves then you're an irresponsible parent.

i will just chip in though that you're discussing something more complex and complicated than just a father and child relationship. It's a intricate project ending in Heaven or hell. God has a Son Jesus that He watched die for you BTW. He's supposedly got myriads of uncountable billions of angels as "better" sons too. You don't put your hands in the furnace to get out gold because you are afraid your precious gold will perish. It must go through the fire to get it refined. Adam's race is that kind of project, looking at it in a shortsighted 1D doesn't suffice or do justice.

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God just abandoned two newly created human beings with a talking snake what was he expecting....
Why did God not forgive and forget...

Because Adam was not deceived it was eve that was deceived which means Adam chose to sin on purpose

God still forgave them but God can't go against his word the punishment must stand

Kingsnairaland:


That is not how the case is

This is the true event

Now God warned Adam and eve that fruit don't eat it the day you eat it you will surely die

So God has already told the buyer look don't drink any how water from outside your house so if the buyer now drinks water from outside his home

Then you can't blame God for not stopping him even if God comes to stop him then the devil will come again and say look I told you

This God does not really want you to be like him because he knows if you eat that fruit you will indeed be like him

So the temptation will be there and Adam will still want to eat it

The problem is not with God but with man that have refused to trust God and believe God

So you told your child not to eat that poisoned fish you kept for rats and you see your neighbor trying to convince your child to eat the fish because it would make it big and strong like you.

So rather than step in and save your child, you watch and let your child eat that poisoned fish and double down on your brutality by punishing your child and grand children and great grandchildren and their progeny as they come?

And you say I should not blame you for not stopping your child?

What does that make you?

In the original story, the problem lies with God for watching all that happen when it could have been stopped.

So much for freewill

Kingsnairaland:


Because Adam was not deceived it was eve that was deceived and Adam chose to sin on purpose

God still forgave them but God can't go against his word the punishment must stand

If the punishment still stands what then is the forgiveness...

alphaNomega:


So you told your child not to eat that poisoned fish you kept for rats and you see your neighbor trying to convince your child to eat the fish because it would make it big and strong like you.

So rather than step in and save your child, you watch and let your child eat that poisoned fish and double down on your brutality by punishing your child and grand children and great grandchildren and their progeny as they come?

And you say I should not blame you for not stopping your child?

What does that make you?

All the things you said here replace child with a grown man of about 30 years

I don't think I will step in to warn the 30years old man that I initially told him eating that thing would lead to death

I think he should trust me and believe in me rather than any one else
Because whom ever you believe becomes your God

Stopping man all the time negate freewill breaks freewill rules

Image123:


Adam was a very intelligent man with freewill who knew what he was doing, not a child unfortunately.

Your child is still your child even if you are 200 years old and it is 170 years old

Image123:


Lol, you're a joker. Are you not sane enough to know that you are the chief rude one anytime you deride other people's gods or God?
You don't know anything or believe much about freewill and omniscience to make claims about exclusivity.

I'm sane enough to know that omniscient and freewill are incapatible.
I won't say they are to justify my imaginary friend

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i did something already, i raised him up and warned him. God forbid that I raise a fool. Check a dictionary for "wizard" in context.

So you'll watch them drink the rat poison because you've warned them. LMFAO!

Which of the following definitions do you mean

Kingsnairaland:


God knows what your free will will result into no matter what you decide it can never be above God's will or God's plan that is where our limits stops

You can't become God over night and over ride his own will because you don't have such authority or power

So it means God knows that I will go to hell even before I was born?

Kingsnairaland:


I Will stand by and watch because I already know that the plan of the devil is to kill them while they refused to believe me and they believed the devil over me

I will stand by and let them die
Then only those who actually believe in me those are the ones I will not allow to die

The problem now is that everyone is dying because you cursed the parents, so who is left to believe ? I don't see any believer living for 500 years

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If the punishment still stands what then is the forgiveness...

Forgiveness means I will take the blame which God decided to do he took the blame the real punishment

Kingsnairaland:


Adam or human beings are gods awesome power was given to Adam so there is no room for disobedience

The question is was Adam supposedly a child of the god or not.

Image123:


i will just chip in though that you're discussing something more complex and complicated than just a father and child relationship. It's a intricate project ending in Heaven or hell. God has a Son Jesus that He watched die for you BTW. He's supposedly got myriads of uncountable billions of angels as "better" sons too. You don't put your hands in the furnace to get out gold because you are afraid your precious gold will perish. It must go through the fire to get it refined. Adam's race is that kind of project, looking at it in a shortsighted 1D doesn't suffice or do justice.

How does it absolve the god of responsibility? The god watches his project get spoilt and does nothing, is that the characteristic of a good project manager?

Workch:
So it means God knows that I will go to hell even before I was born?

Yes because he knows no matter what he does you won't listen to him

LordReed:


Your god concept shows the the height of irresponsibility. I pity the children who have such a father with such mentality as yours.

Thank you for this!

Kingsnairaland:


Yes of course God knows all things

So, it means that he had two plans.
1. If Adam eat the fruit

2. If Adam didn't.


Right?