PastorAIO:
i'll be happy to expound on my understanding of those passages but not now. It's a whole big kettle of fish and I have to be in the right mood and frame of mind to tackle it.

I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Either your understanding is the Satan character works for the God character, or not.

PastorAIO:


Dis guy. you don come again o. 'stranded'?!! What?, The lips went on excursion and couldn't afford the bus fare back to their base.

You get it.
Exactly bros.

Kobojunkie:
I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Either your understanding is the Satan character works for the God character, or not.

If I may interject, doesn't the story of Job directly suggest this?

Dtruthspeaker:


My doormat idiot, there is no opportunity here to insult me for before your foolishness and disgrace is legendarily established forever.
So return to your rat hole. Idiot.

The same rat hole you jumped out from trying to act savage only to realise your foolishness?
If you weren't dull, you won't jump into a conversation or argument you know nothing of like a blind bat.
Clown, see how he came in gleefully shouting "ad hominem" only to crawl back into his cave in embarrassment. Mu mu wan score cheap points.

DeepSight:
If I may interject, doesn't the story of Job directly suggest this?

It does indeed suggest this but the other claims there exists a contradiction between the two verses he indicated in his earlier post. So, I was trying to figure out what the contradiction really is.

Kobojunkie:
I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Either your understanding is the Satan character works for the God character, or not.

be patient.

PastorAIO:
be patient.

No, seriously, I don't need it!

Just a simple yes or no is all that is necessary here.

DeepSight:


If I may interject, doesn't the story of Job directly suggest this?

Not only the Job story. It's all over the book.

Another similar question worth perusing is: Who appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush?

kingxsamz:


The same rat hole you jumped out from trying to act savage only to realise your foolishness?
If you weren't dull, you won't jump into a conversation or argument you know nothing of like a blind bat.
Clown, see how he came in gleefully shouting "ad hominem" only to crawl back into his cave in embarrassment. Mu mu wan score cheap points.

Stupido there was nothing to salvage.

I have a Right to be set aright when I was not aware of a certain Truth. But
you Stupidly thought that there was an opportunity to get back at me because of your everlasting losses against me! Fool!

You Never Learn and it is obvious you never will, So King Fool Forever art thou O Stupid Sam!

Please be wise small, Shut the Fuq Up or Down, whichever you like!

You ain't gat nothing valid to say!

kingxsamz:


The same rat hole you jumped out from trying to act savage only to realise your foolishness?
If you weren't dull, you won't jump into a conversation or argument you know nothing of like a blind bat.
Clown, see how he came in gleefully shouting "ad hominem" only to crawl back into his cave in embarrassment. Mu mu wan score cheap points.

Stupido there was nothing to salvage.

I have a Right to be set aright when I was not aware of a certain Truth. But
you Stupidly thought that there was an opportunity to get back at me because of your everlasting losses against me! Fool!

You Never Learn and it is obvious you never will, So King Fool Forever art thou O Stupid Sam!

Please be wise small, Shut the Fuq Up or Down, whichever you prefer!

You ain't gat nothing valid to say!

PastorAIO:
Not only the Job story. It's all over the book.

Another similar question worth perusing is: Who appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush?

So what exactly is the contradiction you claim exists between those two verses you posted?

Why is there a question about who appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush?,

PastorAIO:


I did not ask about the reasons or the motivation that caused yhwh to give such horrendous laws to his supposed people.

A thief is a thief is a thief. Of course different thieves have different reasons for stealing. Some are hungry. Some are greedy. Some just have psychological problem aka kleptomania. etc etc etc

At the end of the day, regardless of the motivation, tiff na tiff.

Yhwh gave the Israelites commands to sacrifice their first born sons. This is a fact, an undisputed fact. If you later want to go into the reasons why and try to rationalise the evil and dastardly act that is a different matter. But at least I'm glad that you have come to admit that such a command was given by Yhwh. Well done.

In the Hebrew world view, when God allow something to happen then it is said that such is from God because he allowed it, I think you should take classes on Hebrew linguistic and system, your ignorance is obnoxious.

Kobojunkie:
I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Either your understanding is the Satan character works for the God character, or not.

I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Is homosexuality and transgenderism condoned in Christianity ?
Yes or No. . :-/

kkins25:

I don't require an explanation....I don't really care to read an epistle on this. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is necessary. Is homosexuality and transgenderism condoned in Christianity ?
Yes or No. . :-/

You question is akin to asking me if soccer, the game, is condoned in Christianity.

Dtruthspeaker:


Stupido there was nothing to salvage.

I have a Right to be set aright when I was not aware of a certain Truth. But
you Stupidly thought that there was an opportunity to get back at me because of your everlasting losses against me! Fool!

You Never Learn and it is obvious you never will, So King Fool Forever art thou O Stupid Sam!

Please be wise small, Shut the Fuq Up or Down, whichever you prefer!

You ain't gat nothing valid to say!

Ranting with a bunch of emojis literted all over his texts to hide his pain.
We already know.
Next time you want to reveal your dullness, think, look, and observe so you don't keep proving to folks here that you're truly dull.
Lol, this dullard is so desperate to be savage he had to reply twice.
Dullard.

Kobojunkie:
You question is akin to asking me if soccer, the game, is condoned in Christianity.

Thats a lie.. sexuality is a critical topic in religion. unlike football... Don't dodge the questions please.

Steep:

In the Hebrew world view, when God allow something to happen then it is said that such is from God because he allowed it, I think you should take classes on Hebrew linguistic and system, your ignorance is obnoxious.

I will admit that my knowledge of Hebrew linguistics and system is very limited. Though I have reservations, I'm willing to presume that your knowledge is superior to mine. Can you show us examples that God doing something and God allowing something is the same thing in Hebrew language and system?

For example, in the bible it is said that God created the world. Perhaps all he did was to just allow the world to come into existence. Maybe the universe came into existence as theorised in the Big Bang Theory and all your God did was sit by and let it happen. This will tally with the atheists who say that god is not necessary to explain the world or anything in it, and the more you know about the world the less you need rely on God as an explanation.

kingxsamz:

Ranting with a bunch of emojis literted all over his texts to hide his pain.
We already know.
Next time you want to reveal your dullness, think, look, and observe so you don't keep proving to folks here that you're truly dull.
Lol, this dullard is so desperate to be savage he had to reply twice.
Dullard.

Stupid Sam, we all see you racked up in great pain .

Fool Pain is not shifted because you open your mouth to try pushing it over to ne!

You never learn and that's why you would always be King Foolish Samz! The Eternal Fool

kkins25:
Thats a lie.. sexuality is a critical topic in religion. unlike football... Don't dodge the questions please.

Look, Christianity is as defined by the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ- the Christ in Christianity - and there are no rules concerning what you describe as sexuality found in His teachings .

Dtruthspeaker:


Stupid Sam, we all see you racked up in great pain .

Fool Pain is not shifted because you open your mouth to try pushing it over to ne!

You never learn and that's why you would always be King Foolish Samz! The Eternal Fool

Eyah. Na you carry your dullness quote me in the first place, thinking you've scored yourself a point and something to laugh over. You even had to quote twice because e been dey sweet your body. Too bad your happiness was short lived. Now your body don calm down, you don realize say truly, you dull.
Next time look before you leap.

PastorAIO:


I will admit that my knowledge of Hebrew linguistics and system is very limited. Though I have reservations, I'm willing to presume that your knowledge is superior to mine. Can you show us examples that God doing something and God allowing something is the same thing in Hebrew language and system?

For example, in the bible it is said that God created the world. Perhaps all he did was to just allow the world to come into existence. Maybe the universe came into existence as theorised in the Big Bang Theory and all your God did was sit by and let it happen. This will tally with the atheists who say that god is not necessary to explain the world or anything in it, and the more you know about the world the less you need rely on God as an explanation.

The more you know about the world the more you know there is God.
There are many verses in the bible that made it clear that God created the heavens and the earth himself and alone.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Isaiah 51:13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

All these and many more shows that the creation was yahweh's work which He did by himself and alone.

PastorAIO:


Buddha, I'm not sure if you're an atheist or follow another religion but I actually do believe in the existence of yhwh. For many years encouched my spirituality in christian terms and within a christian framework and I've had the chance to get a close look at the whole affair.

That yhwh demanded Jesus as a sacrifice was a claim made by the first christian apostles, Paul especially. His letters are replete with it. Perhaps you don't think that the apostles can speak for yhwh. I cannot argue against that.

Of course many people hide behind religion to commit all sorts of vile and atrocious acts. An atheist may say that yhwh was created in the image of the people worshipping him. However I think quite the contrary. I do think the vile acts of these people was inspired by yhwh, an actual autonomous being.

You ignore both the human ability to commit vile acts of their own freewill, and the human ability to create. Paul was an adept creator. His letters about the Christ he only met in Spirit are the core of the Gospel according to Luke. But I respect your believing, though I always prefer understandings, which believe gets in the way of.

I study religions and their adherents, Pastor. And because of my greed, I sell what I have for the good fields in them all on which I harvest the crop which I store where moths can't get at it.

PastorAIO:
Actually, talking of context, you need to know what was going on in Israel at the time of Josiah. There was a power struggle. Previously Yhwh was worshipped in a number of ritual 'High Places'. When the Temple was built there became a power struggle between the Priesthood in Jerusalem and the priesthoods out in the rest of the country. Josiah sought to centralise the worship of yhwh. That is why he ended up killing all the other priests and sacrificing them on the altars. Josiah was a yhwh only adherent so you know that those human sacrifices were made to yhwh.

1Samuel 9
13As soon as you enter the city you will find him, before he goes up to the high place [/b]to eat. For the people will not eat till he comes, since he must [b]bless the sacrifice; afterward those who are invited will eat. Now go up, for you will meet him immediately.” 14So they went up to the city. As they were entering the city, they saw Samuel coming out toward them on his way up to the high place.

Samuel the prophet of yhwh would bless the sacrifices in the High Places. These were sacrifices made to yhwh. Made in High Places.

1Kings 3
4And the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place. Solomon used to offer a thousand burnt offerings on that altar. 5At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night, and God said, “Ask what I shall give you.”

Solomon went to sacrifice at the high place in Gibeon and yhwh met him there. So you see yhwh was worshipped in high place very very well and much.

Are these also contradictions according to you or what?,

kingxsamz:


Eyah. Na you carry your dullness quote me in the first place, thinking you've scored yourself a point and something to laugh over. You even had to quote twice because e been dey sweet your body. Too bad your happiness was short lived. Now your body don calm down, you don realize say truly, you dull.
Next time look before you leap.

Sam D' Stupid your foolishness is already cast and set and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

So, till your next round of thy stupidity and to the pleasure of thy foolishness, Stay thou Stupid, , thou O Stupid Sam!

PastorAIO:


So the fact that someone else is making human sacrifice makes it okay for you to make them a human sacrifice to your own deity?

Actually, talking of context, you need to know what was going on in Israel at the time of Josiah. There was a power struggle. Previously Yhwh was worshipped in a number of ritual 'High Places'. When the Temple was built there became a power struggle between the Priesthood in Jerusalem and the priesthoods out in the rest of the country. Josiah sought to centralise the worship of yhwh. That is why he ended up killing all the other priests and sacrificing them on the altars. Josiah was a yhwh only adherent so you know that those human sacrifices were made to yhwh.

yes there was a power struggle between the priest ordained by yahweh and those others that were not.
@ bolded where was it written that Josaih offered those priest to yahweh.

1Samuel 9
13As soon as you enter the city you will find him, before he goes up to the high place [/b]to eat. For the people will not eat till he comes, since he must [b]bless the sacrifice; afterward those who are invited will eat. Now go up, for you will meet him immediately.” 14So they went up to the city. As they were entering the city, they saw Samuel coming out toward them on his way up to the high place.

Samuel the prophet of yhwh would bless the sacrifices in the High Places. These were sacrifices made to yhwh. Made in High Places.

1Kings 3
4And the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place. Solomon used to offer a thousand burnt offerings on that altar. 5At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night, and God said, “Ask what I shall give you.”

Solomon went to sacrifice at the high place in Gibeon and yhwh met him there. So you see yhwh was worshipped in high place very very well and much.

yea my bad, before the house of God was buil, the high places were used for sacrifice, because the house of God was not yet built.

These you quoted were before the house of God was built.

1 Kings 12:31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

The altar Josiah offered those priest on were altar that Jeroboam hath built.

. Jeroboam set up his own religious worship, with his own priest which were not the levites, only the levites were chosen to be priests but he chose the lowlives, the word lowliest of men means criminals or murders to be his priest.
It was these murders that Josiah killed on the altar, and because the word 'offer' or 'sacrifice'
Because any killing down on an altar is called sacrifice, it doesn't mean it is really a sacrifice but because the execution was done on it.

Dtruthspeaker:


Sam D' Stupid your foolishness is already cast and set and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

So, till your next round of thy stupidity and to the pleasure of thy foolishness, Stay thou Stupid, , thou O Stupid Sam!

Good. While you mask your tears with laughing emojis, I'm sure you have learnt one or two lessons about making use of the brain before indulging in conversations that you have no business with.
The first step to improving oneself is to acknowledge your flaws. It's good you acknowledge that you're dull. You're on the right path to self improvement. Kudos boy.

kingxsamz:


Good. While you mask your tears with laughing emojis, I'm sure you have learnt one or two lessons about making use of the brain before indulging in conversations that you have no business with.
The first step to improving oneself is to acknowledge your flaws. It's good you acknowledge that you're dull. You're on the right path to self improvement. Kudos boy.

trying to cover your shame by trying to have the last word, knowing that I was not going to speak after my last response?

E no work!

The Shame ain't going anywhere, Fool

Kobojunkie:
Look, Christianity is as defined by the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ- the Christ in Christianity - and there are no rules concerning what you describe as sexuality found in His teachings .

What about pedophilia?

kkins25:
What about pedophilia?

Yet another "is soccer condoned in Christianity" question

Kobojunkie:
Yet another "is soccer condoned in Christianity" question

hmmm. i guess Christianity isn't the all.. maybe you should be multi religious.

kkins25:
hmmm. i guess Christianity isn't the all.. maybe you should be multi religious.

I don't understand what you mean at all by this.

Steep:
yes there was a power struggle between the priest ordained by yahweh and those others that were not.
@ bolded where was it written that Josaih offered those priest to yahweh.


yea my bad, before the house of God was buil, the high places were used for sacrifice, because the house of God was not yet built.

These you quoted were before the house of God was built.

1 Kings 12:31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

The altar Josiah offered those priest on were altar that Jeroboam hath built.

. Jeroboam set up his own religious worship, with his own priest which were not the levites, only the levites were chosen to be priests but he chose the lowlives, the word lowliest of men means criminals or murders to be his priest.
It was these murders that Josiah killed on the altar, and because the word 'offer' or 'sacrifice'
Because any killing down on an altar is called sacrifice, it doesn't mean it is really a sacrifice but because the execution was done on it.

It is fun to return to Nairaland and hear you guys still making up doctrines and apologetics as you go along.
We know that Josiah offered those priests to Yhwh because Josiah was a king devoted to yhwh, he would not be offering them up to Baal or Molech. Further more we also know from Ezekiel 20:25 that yhwh did explicitly ask for human sacrifice.
Now you may try to excuse this. by saying that yhwh only asked for human sacrifice because he was was angry that they did not follow his previous statutes, however I am not interested in the reasons for his demanding their children to be sacrificed. The fact is that whatever the reasons were, he DID give the commands that they should sacrifice their children.

Such a command was so characteristic of him that even when Abram heard it he did not think twice, he did not question, he prepared straight away to go and sacrifice Isaac.

High Places: People have been sacrificing to Yahweh in the High Places from long before the temple was built. Those were altars dedicated to yhwh. You are mixing up Jeroboam and Josiah's era to cause confusion. These were two different time periods, and two totally different regions.

Jeroboam was the King of Israel which was a totally different kingdom from Judah. At the time of King Jeroboam, the ruler of Judah was Rehoboam. The kingdom of David had split into Israel and Judah.
Josiah was a king of Judah, in the lineage of Rehoboam. His territory had nothing to do with Jeroboam's territory. The priests that he had jurisdiction over and sacrificed would not have been the priests that Jeroboam raised. Josiah had NO access to the high places that Jeroboam made.

You are wrong at every turn. yet you continue to make things up and indulge your fantasies. Murderers and criminals for priests is only in your imagination. They were considered 'low lifes' does not mean they were criminals. And anyway since Israel and Judah were 2 totally different kingdoms, everything you've said about is WRONG.

And it's that same wrongness, and that characteristic mendacity, that is making your deny the obvious word ritual sacrifice (way yiz bah) and say that it is only a killing.


Oh, and by the way, the priests in Jerusalem were also involved with sacrificing to other gods, not just yhwh. So you can't blame the priests of the high places for having corruption that the Jerusalem priests didn't have.

Ask yourself, why you have such a fondness for mendacity? I want to suggest to you that it has a spiritual source.