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Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Luu40: 6:53pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
I think its about our education. We're more likely to be fluent in the language when our educators are also fluent. We can improve our use of the language by reading alot. Bottom line: we cam right many wrongs of the past by simply accepting our weakness, and trying to improve. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by iamdapsyj(m): 6:53pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: I am not encouraging mediocrity and I haven't said anything different from your submission. However, we should be mindful that we are not native speakers of English. Like I said earlier, since it is a medium of instruction in many schools in Nigeria, students should learn to improve and be intentional about it since doors can even be opened for opportunities...... 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by chatinent: 6:55pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Must I spark good English to impress you? You cannot fit mind your business. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by aribisala0(m): 6:56pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist:Maybe ,maybe not if that is all it means why is it calibrated? Replacing one word with another does not provide any illumination as to "meaning" Messi is competent so also was Rooney Anyway what it "simply means" is tangential to the point.The post I quoted mentioned different degrees of competence . My point is that there is no need for us to prioritize higher degrees of competence in English over the same in Yoruba Igbo or any of our own languages |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 6:57pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Kingsley1000: First, it’s irrelevant to the OP’s point…. Nonetheless, it’s different learning ANY language as an adult rather than as a kid. Furthermore, it’s nothing to with “inferiority complex” (many of us proudly speak our native languages abroad)… However, as our textbooks, academic literature and instruction is in English, basic proficiency in the language is IMPORTANT. > |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 6:59pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Luu40: KPOM! On all points… > |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by oyeb15: 6:59pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
U can't speak good English when u are having a rough time. Even in d middle of a crazy argument, you change to your mother's language. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Fantasial: 7:02pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
sherylbaky: I usually don't make comments but I have to say you are of high intelligence. Thank you for that educative and responsible response that's devoid of insults. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by mulero23: 7:03pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
So, you think the main or only reason to obtain a degree is to learn how to speak English because English was the language of taught? Oh, no... think rightly mehn! You can do better than this. Truvelisback: 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by achorladey: 7:05pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
aribisala0: Thanks for the response jare. Lagbaja had one song titled vernacular. Make people go listen and cool off the heat over a language whose origin and original speakers agreed it has grades ranging from beginner to master as pointed out by you. Gbo gbo gbosa Ko lori gbo ri Oya je kaa tabon Gbo gbo gbosa. English no get expression like your mother tongue. Talk make I understand, O tan. Idea is need 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by aribisala0(m): 7:06pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: It does have to do with inferiority complex even in our vocabulary there is a strong tendency to "English Shame" people for solecisms We do need to question where all of this is leading. It is obvious to any thinking being that it is leading to THE DEATH OF OUR OWN LANGUAGES. So should we accept that as an inevitability or take action Well looking around the world in Wales(United Kingdom) , Tanzania, India and New Zealand(Maori) we can see that action can be taken and crucially that IT WORKS. Say NO TO ENGLISH Do not speak English to your children |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by achorladey: 7:08pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
remirez07: That John Bull my son who cannot spell his name 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 7:11pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
achorladey: Almost EVERYTHING “get level or grade” - health, height, education, skill, farming, marriage, eating, driving, swimming, etc… Doesn’t detract that after studying, studying in, and/or daily practicing a language for 15 years, competence is a rational expectation. > |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by reservd(m): 7:15pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Truvelisback:No one goes to a university or polytechnic to study how to speak good English and no reasonable lecturer should fail a student for grammatical errors as long as he/she understands the message the student is passing. It's a foundation problem ie it started from nursery/primary and it wasn't tackled/corrected in their secondary school hence the bad English some graduates speak. The worst of it is that they don't even know they are expressing themselves incorrectly |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Dermie: 7:18pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Truvelisback: - You can always trace the issue to the schools they attended. Elementary, Primary and Secondary especially. - They were never taught by good teachers who could speak well. Or, they skipped English classes. - Their environment. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 7:24pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
aribisala0: You keep missing the point…. Wouldn’t be interested in this discourse if it was merely one of cultural pride, because I am extremely proud of mine… The discourse though is why would graduates who study in a language for 15 years struggle with basic competency in it. Are the textbooks and academic literature they used from kindergarten to uni written and taught in their local languages? > 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Fiscus105(m): 7:24pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
OBoy50: Mr Attacker, it would have been better if you underlined the errors in the write up. I guess it touched deep inside your bone marrow. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by achorladey: 7:26pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: Now you are coming to terms with what I am trying to state here. Some Footballers go into Football Academy at an early age and still don't get called professional even after spending 15 years training and learning football everyday. From your words above, when you come across a graduate who still struggle with the English language this is the opportunity to appreciate the fact that the language get grades. Even all those who eventually graduated from school and are seen as expert in speaking the English language by their fellow colleagues still go through the below and you still see them practice, read and practice questions to achieve the required grades. What is IELTS? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by OBoy50: 7:28pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Fiscus105:OGAAAAAA This English is very bad sir! You can do better than this by simply writing a very simple well-spoken good English |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 7:30pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
reservd: I may be reading the OP wrong… But a “university graduate” in Nigeria implies English language learning of 10-15 years (including nursery, primary and secondary). Meanwhile, in a subject like Law, the difference between “may” and “shall” could be several years in prison… So, a reasonable law lecturer should absolutely fail a student for such “grammatical errors” that have a substantive effect. > |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by TwinGeek: 7:34pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Prolificgiant: Hello I'm interested |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by 9jaRealist: 7:34pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
achorladey: And you know what they are called wrt professional football?! Failures! Nonetheless, I bet that almost all of them would be basically competent in football. > |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by achorladey: 7:42pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: They don't call them failures for crying out loud . They rather call them AMATEUR. Nonetheless, I bet that almost all of them would be basically competent in football Competent in football in varying grades or degrees. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by maryikpaha: 7:43pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
that is where we make mistakes, is English our language. the so call poeple that English is there language, dint they shoot gun. Why is then important for me to speak it correctly when the real owner cant. bro as long as u understand the msg he or she is passing across. then what is the headache. the main objective of any borrowed language is communication. thanks 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by MrBroke(m): 7:48pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Truvelisback: So if you can't speak English language that well but always come out first when it comes to science subjects and you are very good at science, you are uneducated abi? Do you know how many people who speak English Fluently but are dump ass, like blockhead, uneducated. Education is knowing and understanding and practicalizing a field, but the real Education is the knowledge and wisdom of life, which many people are lacking and unfortunately schools can't teach you that. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by emmaodet: 7:57pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
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Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by aribisala0(m): 8:01pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: Seems to me like YOU are missing my point. Maybe I am missing yours so we are mutually missing each others points. Maybe we would not be if we were not using English Discourse? Well if that is what you want to call it? There is always more than one perspective to any "discourse" and participants cannot narrow the discourse unilaterally Perhaps a more relevant perspective is that if people are " struggling with basic competency" after so long maybe they should not be receiving instruction in English English People French People Japanese People etc do not have this problem So maybe we need to see the problem as it is for what it really is and set a long term strategy for how to get from A to B The problem is not Nigerians or Nigerian students Why should we insist that a duck should fly |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by phemmyfour: 8:03pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Truvelisback:English is a just a language. As a graduate, can you speak good french? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by bewise24: 8:04pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
maryikpaha:WRONG SIR. THE NATIVE SPEAKERS OF ENGLISH (OR ANY LANGUAGE) USE BICS WHILE GRADUATES USE CALP OF THE SAME LANGUAGE. IT IMPLIES THAT A FOREIGNER COULD TEACH YOU THE CALP OF YOUR MOTHER TONGUE. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by rayval(m): 8:05pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
9jaRealist: Same difference.. I know people with first class, a lot but aren’t fluent in English. I prolly do not know the level of proficiency you expect. Speaking English as an Educated Nigerian shouldn’t be used as a measure of anything. Also, it is probably not so bad.. maybe op is expecting a very high level … but think about it too.. 15 years in school. In Nigeria - do the teachers speak better English, do the student communicate in English, do parents communicate in English… it is either pidgin or local dialect.. So you shouldn’t even measure the years with proficiency of English language.. realistically.. most of us, na movies and books naim make us fit dey join words together.. and small exposure.. |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Truvelisback(m): 8:07pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
udomonday:How am i wrong in my expression? Is it because i didn't add "s" ? |
Re: Why Do Some Graduates Find It Difficult To Speak Good English? by Truvelisback(m): 8:11pm On Mar 30, 2022 |
Oyiboman69:English language is part of education. There are Adults looking for people who would teach them how to read and write. |
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