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Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 10:15am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: It didn't mention Jesus! |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 10:16am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: You mean the father was siting on Jesus who's sitting on the Holy Spirit or One God with three heads of Jesus, father and Spirit? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MightySparrow: 10:21am On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Which do you think? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by FRANCISTOWN: 10:23am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow:Thanks for furthering the confusion and gaffe. If nothing was created but by the Word according to John , and the Word said he is the beginning of creation. Some things: 1. What was the "Word" created of? 2. The word is still a creation 3. The Word is not the beginning, because the word was also created. 4. The Word was with God as a separate entity. 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by FRANCISTOWN: 10:26am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: You're asking me?? 🙄🙄🙄 Do I look like someone who believes anything from that fairybook? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 10:29am On Aug 23, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: so God sent himself down to become his one son, but with a different name .. to sacrifice himself to himself, just to convince himself to forgive us our sins... sound so dumb 2 Likes |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by FRANCISTOWN: 10:29am On Aug 23, 2023 |
bobestman:Stay one place now, are you saying they are three different people working together or a single person manifesting in 3 different dimensions? 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 10:30am On Aug 23, 2023 |
bobestman:You sabi wordplay bro! How can your second sentence be correct and the last also correct? God is one then you created three persons in that oneness. You even name the persons; one father, one son and one Spirit. Then the son called the father God! The father can send the son and spirit errands as He is greater than them but they are still different persons yet one! So crazy! It doesn't mean that they are tied together as one like someone thinks. When Antichristian tells his son Maximus to go and switch on the light in a house. Maximus goes to the switch and switch it on to do what his father said. When he does this, the light ons by the help of an Electromagnetic force (the mother/holy spirit). Now Antichristian the father, Maximus the son and the father's spirit worked together to generate the light. When the father sent the son to the world, he can't do anything till the father's spirit/the mother/holy spirit came on him. They are one cos they work in unison. They are not tied together as some foolishly think. You might see only the father on the throne cos the other 2 are always on the move. Their are 3 thrones their and even other thrones for the 24 elders. If the 24 had thrones their why can't the mother and son have? Make una dey play The father sits! The Son stands! The Holy Spirit was not mentioned! The father is omniscient! The Son and Spirit are not omniscient! |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 10:37am On Aug 23, 2023 |
nice reading from Bart Erhmans blog.. The Road from the “Duo of Philo” to the “Trinity of Nicaea” https://ehrmanblog.org/35928-2/ |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by FRANCISTOWN: 10:39am On Aug 23, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1: It doesn't sound so dumb to those who believe in that nonsense. How can "I" as a God(Yahweh), the omnipotent , incarnate as a man(Jesus), to sacrifice myself (Jesus) to myself (Yahweh) for the same man that I cursed by myself(Yahweh), so as to appease myself(Yahweh )of myself by myself (Jesus) because "I" (Yahweh) didn't have the power to forgive man until I (Yahweh )see a stream of blood coming from myself (Jesus) while hanging myself (Jesus) on the crucifix? I don't know how that shit story doesn't give people headache, honestly. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 10:44am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: My own position is that God is One and only One such that he needs no son to help him in His dominion or to save any of His creations! 2 Likes |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 10:50am On Aug 23, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: it just gave me ... wait make i drink panadol... |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 10:51am On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Deut. 6:4 |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by FRANCISTOWN: 10:52am On Aug 23, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1:Lol🤣🤣 |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 10:56am On Aug 23, 2023 |
the Jews where talking about consciousness(God) not a man sitting in the sky.. whatever the romans and Greeks or the Arabs deduced from it was entirely up to them,, |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:07am On Aug 23, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: After the above statement almost five comments followed including the below: FRANCISTOWN: Surely that book worths no atheist's time walahi talahi! |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 11:09am On Aug 23, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1: Yeah! Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Mark 12:29 Jesus replied, "This is the most important: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MightySparrow: 11:12am On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Why do you think He would not need a Son? Are you His counsellor? Why are Muslims helping Allah to kill his enemies? 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MightySparrow: 11:13am On Aug 23, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: Why then are you asking questions about the fairy book? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MightySparrow: 11:14am On Aug 23, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: And the what was God. So? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 11:29am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: what or who is 'a god' |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 11:30am On Aug 23, 2023 |
MightySparrow: It's our Dad that needs heir so they gave birth to us! Why would God need a son? Are you His counsellor?Does it make sense? Why are Muslims helping Allah to kill his enemies? Muslims kill! Atheists kill! Traditionalists kills! Christians Kill! Jews Kill! There are many acts of such in the Bible. You can reply me if you need me to bombard you with them! 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by SIRTee15: 11:43am On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Mr Man that's metaphorical. It's Jewish way of expressing divine messianic claim. God has no hand not to talk of right hand. He's a spirit. Stop forcing Quranic concept into the bible. Someone standing on the right hand of God is a way of saying both has the same essence and nature. |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by MightySparrow: 12:16pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 12:19pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Chai! Subhanallah! But the context shows it's not metaphorical! The Stoning of Stephen …55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57At this they covered their ears, cried out in a loud voice, and rushed together at him.… I admit that one has to be asinine to successfully explain trinity! For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 1. One God! (Not three) and 2. One mediator between God and mankind who is THE MAN (NOT GOD) JESUS CHRIST! God is one! Jesus is man not God! |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 12:27pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: why would i even need a man like me to mediate between me and GOD,,, why would i not just go straight to him as he asked us.. ''do not have any other god/man (my addition) before me'' |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 12:29pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1: I agree, just pointing him to another contradiction to what he said earlier! 1 Like |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by SIRTee15: 1:14pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: There's a difference between God and God incarnate my friend. God took a flesh upon himself and manifested as the 2nd person of the trinity in a person called Jesus. Jesus also has the human nature with a human soul. That human nature must be subservient to the divine nature which is God. Just like we must ensure our human nature submits to our spirit nature- influenced by the holy spirit to be real Christians. AntiChristian: Then don't extrapolate your erroneous thought to Christian theology. The bible clearly teach the separation of the soul and spirit. Your Koran muddled it up and leaves it's readers confused on which is which. AntiChristian: How is it not applicable. You are seen as one despite u having a spirit and a soul. Your existence is one entity, so u would be seen as one. God entity is ONE and will always be seen as ONE my friend. Now to some doctrinal teachings. God described himself having a soul, would his soul be seen differently from him? Would the spirit of God which is the holy spirit be seen differently from him. If your own soul can't be seen differently, why do u think the soul and spirit of God be seen differently. U said u believe soul and spirit is the same. So tell me what is ruh and naffs in the Koran. Which one gives life to man, which one is the seat of emotions and intelligence in man, which one departs and return to God after death. According to the Koran is the soul naffs or ruh? Is the spirit naffs or ruh. |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by SIRTee15: 1:39pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Mr Man, the vision of Stephen is called anthropomorphism. God is described expressions that makes meaning to us as humans. God is described as having a face, ears, hand and feet in the bible. But he's invisible. The bible says no one has seen God but his son who is also God. When God dwelled in the tabernacle or the holy of holy, he was invisible. Israelites didn't see him. Now to the son of Man, let's see how the old testament described him. 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Finally since u happy to quote the words of Paul saying Jesus is a man, which we don't have a problem with anyway. U shouldn't have a problem when same Paul said the FF about Jesus. Philippians 2:5-7 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. Colossians 1:15 [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created… Colossians 2:9 In [Christ] all the fullness of the Godhead deity dwells bodily. Now if u deny the above writings of Paul, then u ate just a desperate hypocrite. Choose and pick what suits your fancy just like u people do with your hadiths. Furthermore, this is what Peter said about Jesus. 2 Peter 1:1 To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. Finally John 1. 18 says No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Choose your pick, the buffet is plenty and in abundance. We Christians don't make things up like u Muslims do. Jesus being God is as real as the father being God. |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by SIRTee15: 1:47pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian: There's no contradictions. Jesus is fully man and fully God and rightly described himself as such. I'm sure you been told million times but I understand. The day u accept is the day u leave Islam. So continue ignorance of compulsion. |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 2:01pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Where was God incarnate in the Old testament? Why do God need to have incarnate to copy pagans and paganism? If Jesus has human nature and human soul doesn't that make Jesus greater than the father who has no human nature and human soul? All these are theories which can never be proven from the direct words of Jesus even in your New Testament! Then don't extrapolate your erroneous thought to Christian theology. O, can you show me how God created Adam from earth and blow Spirit and Soul in to him? Do show me the separation of Soul and Spirit in man from the Bible! How is it not applicable. You are seen as one despite u having a spirit and a soul. Your existence is one entity, so u would be seen as one. God entity is ONE and will always be seen as ONE my friend. God is one yet has three person[b]s[/b] that can act separately yet Human body and soul/Spirit can't act likewise! Now to some doctrinal teachings. God described himself having a soul, would his soul be seen differently from him? Would the spirit of God which is the holy spirit be seen differently from him.Where does God have a soul? U said u believe soul and spirit is the same. So tell me what is ruh and naffs in the Koran. Don't confuse yourself! Sometimes both can be used interchangeably! Ruh can mean: 1. Spirit/Soul 2. Angel Gabriel. Nafs can mean body and Soul! It can also mean "Self" So we can finally agree that the Godhead was on the throne while there was no one on the right side of your Godhead?? |
Re: Did Isiah Saw Three Gods In One On A Throne? by AntiChristian: 2:03pm On Aug 23, 2023 |
SIRTee15: The father is fully God and 0% man! Jesus is fully God and fully man! Who is greater? |
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