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Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by BeigJawnson(m): 3:22pm On Apr 14 |
MuslimIgbo: Are you saying there wasn't slavery in Africa before the whites came? What were the powerful gods of the land doing when their people were been taking into the white man's land as slaves...? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by BeigJawnson(m): 3:24pm On Apr 14 |
MySolace:Are you saying this about all pastors or some pastors? |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by YourGFsnatcher: 3:25pm On Apr 14 |
Dancebreaker:That's all true. The fact that they lose the value fast means its all hypocrisy in the first place 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by MySolace: 3:41pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24:So, in other words, those without religion lack morals? Problems cant be solved witout religion? So, religion brought about d phone ure using to spew dis out? 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Maysdevices(f): 3:42pm On Apr 14 |
CloudKnight:Apt. Parents tell kids to be Godly but ask them to help lie in certain situations |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Maysdevices(f): 3:49pm On Apr 14 |
JASONjnr:Na you make mistake answer the first reply |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Vulcan24(m): 3:50pm On Apr 14 |
MySolace: Are u a graduate? These ur questions are taught in GST courses! Each subject or profession is an integral part of mans morality, religion and education! What they produce in each compartment is not independent of each other! The man who made phone if he had been smoking colos at his young age and drinking concoction at the bar who wouldn't have lived or had the education n sense to invent a fone ? Am not supposed to be educating u on the integral functions of moral, religion and science but I felt u are a young man needing tutelage |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Vulcan24(m): 3:57pm On Apr 14 |
MySolace: Are u a graduate? These ur questions are taught in GST courses! Each subject or profession is an integral part of mans morality, religion and science! What they produce in each compartment is not independent of each other! The man who made phone if he had been smoking colos at his young age and drinking concoction at the bar who wouldn't have lived or had the education n sense to invent a fone ? Look at the man who invented Kalashnikov, look at the writings of Plato, book written by Hitler, the art of da Vinci, Handel music....all these great men are products of the embodiment of religion, moral and science. In real times their environment and an interplay of their innate skills developed by education. Am not supposed to be educating u on the integral functions of moral, religion and science but I felt u are a young man needing tutelage |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 3:57pm On Apr 14 |
DeepSight:Namely? |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Dancebreaker: 4:01pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24:Well, bro you need to first stop using tech! So that their creation will not pollute your religiosity. Don't drive car, don't use aeroplane, phone, laptop etc. Because all use computer chips. And who said our ancestors didn't already have fear of God? They marvelled at the power of God displayed in his creation: rivers, mountains, forest, wind, sunshine, darkness, fire, the earth, thunder and lightening, etc. They had enough presence of mind to develop their own religious philosophy of lesser gods being in the service of God. Ifa, Ogun, Sango, Amadioha, Yemoja, Esu, Ani, Olokun, Osun, Egugun and others in service of Osanobua, Eledumare, Chukwu, etc. They didn't wait for Europeans to come first. Oyinbo continued to develop their ideas despite their religion to produce modern age. We Africans stopped developing the ideas of our ancestors to play follower to oyinbo religious ideas. While Oyinbo dumped same religious ideas they gave us. 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by NoToPile: 4:06pm On Apr 14 |
Handling toddlers can be a handful and it's always easier to criticize another as a bad parent until you enter that same shoe. Here in Naija there are children's section, teenagers section etc. some churches even break the children's section down further according to age. Methods of teaching children is different, they sing christain songs, read Bible out loud a whole lot of christain activities in church Nursing mothers have a place they stay too sometimes at the back of the church, in some churches it's another section entirely but what is happening in the main church is transmitted to them on TV. You can't determine when a baby cries. All is to minimize distractions from the children. So maybe the church attended abroad doesn't have a children's section, because most churches have here. Though I must say some parents are actually slacking in bringing their children up in the way of God, that's another topic entirely. 2 Likes |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 4:14pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24:It is always laughable when people falsely equate religion with high morals. 2 Likes |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Vulcan24(m): 4:15pm On Apr 14 |
Dancebreaker: God means a supreme diety by whatever name each religion calls it! Yes I use technology but there's no instrument or vice that can't be a tool of destruction in the hands of a man who doesn't fear God! So pls understand my point that we must first acknowledged God in all we do before we put so much faith in our science & tech. Am widely read and I can tell u the brain behind most inventions is a product of moral religion and lastly science! |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by Vulcan24(m): 4:17pm On Apr 14 |
plaetton: Defeatist approach! Moral did not exist in a vacuum, morals are taught in religion! Am not sure u are following! Where's the morality that dosent follow a religious belief? Point it out!! Fo your own good, don't argue to win, argue to learn |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by delpee(f): 4:21pm On Apr 14 |
JASONjnr: In Nigeria, there's usually Sunday School for kids and Youth Church for teenagers within the premises. They are taught the scriptures and engage in activities relevant to their ages. I still have fond memories of my years in Sunday School. A good foundation in learning about God. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by DeepSight(m): 4:24pm On Apr 14 |
plaetton: United States is one example and Europe before the late twentieth century is another. So was Greece, Rome, Persia and Egypt. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 4:56pm On Apr 14 |
DeepSight:Europe began to progress with the emasculation of religion. Likewise the United States has seen the gradual but steady emasculation of religion on a parallel course with their technological and economic growth. 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 5:02pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24:There is a difference between being moral and claiming moral. I should be asking you where exactly is the morality in any religious belief? Religious belief, by definition is : Make it anything up as you go, including the claim to morality. I have not seen any morality in any religious belief. Rather, I seen a lot of evil carefully dressed I'm religious garb. If you a person cannot be good or moral without a religious foundation, then of us that try to be good without any religious mortgage are better adapted to face life and reality. 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by DeepSight(m): 5:09pm On Apr 14 |
plaetton: I am sure I dont need to say anything - you yourself know how lame this response is. The United States is a very religious country and has always been and has always been on the path of steady progress. There is no corelation between the emasculation of religion and the progress of the United States. And Europe has been largely religious throughout most of its progress. Deviation away from religion is fairly recent in historical terms. Finally you just had to be silent about Greece, Rome, Egypt, Persia, didnt you? You had no choice but to ignore these references. What these references show is that societies can, do and have progressed with religion. Thus, its not just about religion as I said. If anything, it can be argued that religion has in fact contributed much to many societies, in terms of education and charity for example. Most of the earliest universities were set up by the Church, for example. The Big Bang Theory was propounded by a Catholic Priest. And the fact that I am saying all these things should give you cause for pause because you know just how much I detest religion myself. I am just trying to make a point to you: you are singling out religion as the single cause of Africa's backwardness and that is simply not so. The matter is beyond just religion. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 5:37pm On Apr 14 |
DeepSight:First of all I kept silent on ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt because I'm not quite sure how we can attribute progress to these ancient societies considering that they all eventually spiraled into decline and exist no more. There is no way to measure the standard of living of the average citizens of these now defunct civilizations. If we can day that these were highly religious civilizations, then we might as well also say that their retrogressive religions ultimately led to their extinction. Secondly, the United States is not very religious nation, as you claim. Yes, the religious south use religion as a political weapon and make a lot of noise about it. In the United States, religion is both a political weapon to subdue and business that exploits. And that's my point. Religion is a retrogressive evil weapon used to control and exploit. 1 Like |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by DeepSight(m): 5:56pm On Apr 14 |
plaetton: Look, I don't think there is a point in quibbling about the details - all of which you are very wrong about. This is because Your last line is right. What you fail to see is that that last line being right does not render religion solely or mainly responsible for the backwardness of Africa. Many other factors are at play and are far far far more important. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by plaetton: 6:19pm On Apr 14 |
DeepSight:I cannot say and have not said that religion is solely responsible for the backwardness of Africa. I did respond to the poster who complained about the rot in western society, supposedly speaking from a religious moral high ground. And my point is that if religion is somehow connected to high morals, then as the most religious nation on earth, Nigerians should not only be the beacons of the highest morals,but should have built an egalitarian society for the citizens and not need to be economic refugees in the West. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by DeepSight(m): 6:21pm On Apr 14 |
plaetton: Well this angle is fair enough I must say. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by JASONjnr(m): 6:35pm On Apr 14 |
delpee: In the memories you hold, I will tell you that, the method used in teaching the kids were Bible story time, dramas, songs and dancing. Those activities keep the children active and growing in the gospel. Nobody will start telling the child to listen to scriptures from the Bible and teachings from the Bible. A child will grow into the gospel. Same way, nobody will take a junior secondary student to the university to start receiving 2hrs lectures from their usual 40minutes lessons. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by sunsweet33: 6:48pm On Apr 14 |
7508: Well, to me not knowing something is not a crime but passing such judgement because “she wasn’t even anywhere near the speaker” is quite surprising to see from a Christian writer. Sounds like he felt the kids were being spoilt by a silly, overindulgent mom rather than her actively taking a cogent decision as a parent raising her kids in the church. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by armadeo(m): 8:27pm On Apr 14 |
rexbuton: Every age. A child should not even be able to read when the Bible should be exposed to him/her. Harry Potter was targeted at young kids / early teens. It just blew up beyond its scope. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by femi4: 10:24pm On Apr 14 |
rexbuton:misleading title |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by MySolace: 11:25pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24: Firstly, wot is religion? I strugle 2 understand wot brought "kolos" into dis context, nevertheless, did d iventors of phone came about it by doing "abrakadabra" in d church? Sir, does one need to b a graduate to knw that mankind braces evolution? And d era of "over dependency" on religion has passed. science and tech solver d problems of mankind more dan religion. Does one need to b a graduate to knw dat UK dat is less religious is more advanced and innovative dan, if i say d whole of religious africa put togeda, i hope am not hiting out of proportion? |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by MySolace: 11:43pm On Apr 14 |
Vulcan24:...contd... Also, few persons u mentioned practiced indigenious religion. Why would Africans dwell so much on alien religion? Religion dey barely understand! The world has moved on. Also for d records, am an alumni of one of the prestigious Federal institution in d southeast. Studied Political science. So its laughable if u think being a graduate has anything special to offer in dis context. Am a Realist. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by MySolace: 12:14am On Apr 15 |
Vulcan24:How do u mean plz? Of course morality doesnt exist in vaccum. Morality comes more from culture and tradion dan from religion. Its inside culture u even find religion. But africa chooses to sufforcate itself wit another man's religion. Making a mess of it and themselves. The painful part of it is dat d real owners of this religion(precisely christianity) have moved on. This is purely axiom. It doesnt need proof cos its crystal clear. Africa has replaced common sense/reasoning wit religion and spirituality. Wen one is sick, instead of visiting a physician or medical centre, he's running to the church. An average african brain/mentality is religiously enslaved. This has to stop. Else, we remain in d dark. |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by DigitB: 2:19am On Apr 15 |
Children have nothing to learn from your "Service" |
Re: Dangerous Attitudes Amongst Nigerian Churches In The Diaspora by RussellRutherfo: 5:58am On Apr 15 |
MuslimIgbo: Shut your trap pedo false prophet follower. Muhammad(may poison continuously be upon him) was a black slave trader and islamic slave trading of Africans was evil and still not yet stopped while Christian abolitionists stopped slave trading. |
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