Jodera:

I swearrr....
And now I'm completely agreeing with you, the team structure is set. We need a perfect 9.

Where can we get a Van Persie or Kane abeg.

With any of those two clones, nothing wey we no go win

Spy is still content with the 80+ goals we get. I have never said e no dey sweet belle. Just that we need an experienced or dangerous 9 that will be the difference on nights everything complex doesn't work, when we chose to go direct. The team os already setup for any sensible 9 to score 30 and I'm not even exaggerating. That arrival will even take away attention from our tired wingers too. Me i can't wait.

I heard some new RVPs are in Eredivisie. But they're all lads for now.

Shegzdave:

I’m also hoping we get a lethal 9
I also saw an article on getting a presser that will ease Ordegarrd workload so he can show his “OrdePass” skills

I so love Drury commentary

Thank you jare.

What spy fails to realize is that this very team is setup to make a 9 flourish. The fact that we score goals doesn't mean the arrival of a 9 will change our style. We won't just need to pin teams back like before, looking for loopholes. This team is set up already to isolate opponents CBs that a lone pacy 9 will destroy.


Drury, i miss the man abeg. Where's Jim sef. E don tey.

BlueRayDick:


I don't know why DaveP has refused to see things that way. He keeps yawning for a big bully striker who will come and impose himself upfront.

Arteta will most likely sign a striker but the player will be in the mould of Nketiah, Gabriel Jesus, etc. Strikers who are not going to really be that tall imposing figure in the box, but rather an attacker who partake in the free-flowing attacking football we play and can also hit his shot well.

If we don't need a pointman, MA wouldn't have prioritized getting one that can play the false 9. It shows the setup is going to be effective for an actual 9 that will do way better than Kai.


For you to say he will get another Nketiah and GJ shows how you underrate MA on this aspect😂😂😂😂😂

Haba naaa. He will enter market to get bench warmers??
My major angle is extra pull and ability to compete with europe's best. That's why. You yourself have seen how stale the KO stages was overall by all standards. Lucky is one synonym for our KO outing. But the funny thing is i still get what you and Spy dey say sha. Lol

Arsenal so good they are scoring by mistake

Peter Dury is an artist

daveP:


He's our best presser. No doubt. Plus as Captain, his detailing others who to close down is superb. But it doesn't work for us this UCL Ko stages sha. If you observed. Porto and Bayern, two teams set up to stop our press. Very annoying.

Ashey Odegaard has been giving that kine assists from deep to Martinelli sha. Wow. I keep saying the best of Nelli is when he's released from halfway line. Then nobody can stop him or tackle him and it is 9/10 times to be a goal.

Partey
Jorginho
Odegaard


These 3 have given deep assists to Nelli and he buried them. While same can't be really said for Saka(he kinda loves the dribbling and deceiving players until the doubling up and tiredness took over)

It's a risk I'm willing to take sha. Odegaard to Nelli's wing. Let's see how crazy that will be😀

Abeg lets not go there Biko. It won't only affect the entire team, it will affect us as fans too. That's a no no.

daveP:


If we don't need a pointman, MA wouldn't have prioritized getting one that can play the false 9. It shows the setup is going to be effective for an actual 9 that will do way better than Kai.


For you to say he will get another Nketiah and GJ shows how you underrate MA on this aspect😂😂😂😂😂

Haba naaa. He will enter market to get bench warmers??
My major angle is extra pull and ability to compete with europe's best. That's why. You yourself have seen how stale the KO stages was overall by all standards. Lucky is one synonym for our KO outing. But the funny thing is i still get what you and Spy dey say sha. Lol

The bold is what u think , but u are wrong.

Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he signed Jesus? Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he made Nketiah stay? Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he signed Havertz with a whole 65m ?

Those are the kind of players Arteta fancy playing as striker for his team. Whether u call them 9, false 9, AM that can play 9, etc... those are his kind of players.

Let me even ask u : What will u do if season ends and Arteta signs Julian Alvarez from city or Martinez of Inter Milan ?

germaphobe:

Abeg lets not go there Biko. It won't only affect the entire team, it will affect us as fans too. That's a no no.

The way DaveP comes up with all these experimental suggestions ehn.... . Na half season dem go sack am if he coach EPL team

Spy360:

First of all, what is a false 9?

Let's start from there because it seems you probably are using a wrong term to describe what you want.

A false 9 is a midfielder playing upfront. Like Cesc Fabregas for Barcelona those days.

Harry Kane for all intent is a striker, a 9 and not a false 9 please. May be you didn't get the definition right which misinformed all of us.

Funny enough, you are the one who is misinformed about false 9. If the bolded is your definition of false 9, I’m not surprised to see you state that Harry Kane is not a false 9. By your definition, Messi, Firmino and even Benzema never played as false 9 too.

So what is a false 9?

A long read.

A false 9 is still a 9 but whose roles (which include dropping into the midfield to link up play, creating chances, and making timing run to finish chances) transcends the conventional target man a traditional 9 is known for.

It’s just like the inverted left or right back or wing back thing we now have. Are they not defenders? Of course they are defenders but with more roles outside of defending.

A traditional 9 mostly camp upfront when his team is in possession and without possession as he is the target man for goal. A traditional 9 doesn’t need to share the burden of linking up play, winning possession, creating chances for other team players or come deep into the midfield.

His main aim is to score, and all his energy is usually channelled towards positioning himself upfront to receive the ball from teammates (who mostly look for him) at suitable position so he could score. This is evident is traditional 9 like Lewandowski, Haaland and others.

On the other hand, a false 9 is not necessarily or always the target man as goal scoring burden is expected to be shared with other attackers. A false 9 doesn’t have to score plenty of goals like a traditional striker because one of his role is to assist his teammates to get goal scoring chances just as the teammates are expected to do the same for him.

So how does a false 9 do it?

When their team is in possession, a false 9 timely drops into the midfield to link up play with teammates while luring defenders with them so he could create goalscoring opportunities for other teammates or allow teammates to exploit the spaces left behind by the defenders he lured out. Messi does this a lot.

A False 9 join the midfield to increase overload in the midfield to help build up play towards dominating opposition and creating goal scoring chances. Traditional 9s hardly do this unless it’s necessary. This mostly happens when a traditional 9 is starved of the ball as he relies on their teammates to feed him to score. We could see what happened to Osimhen during the last AFCON.

While dropping deep to advanced midfield role to build up play, a False 9 also has to make a quick run into the penalty area when the ball is in the final third so he could position themselves for goal scoring opportunities and actually score the chances that comes to him like a traditional 9. This particular attribute is what makes Messi one the best false 9 ever with Kane coming very close.

So what happens when false 9 teams are not in possession?

When their team are not in possession, a false 9 stays upfront to press for ball like a traditional 9 while also helping defensively when needed like a traditional 9.

Most strikers don’t flourish as False 9s because they need to:
- have great ball control skill
- be able to dribble or take on other players in tight position
- have intelligent movement and smart timing runs into the final third and midfield
- have the ability to make varied passes especially in tight position amongst other attributes.
- have intelligent positioning skill.

Now, despite the fact they regularly drop back into advanced midfield positions in order to create chances, false 9s are still expected to be clinical in front of goal like any good center forward would be.

Only few strikers can do all these e.g Messi, Kane, Benzema. The problem now is that many other strikers are gifted with one of two attributes that makes a good false 9 but poor in others. That is why many of us were worried that Gabriel Jesus might be misfiring because he had to drop deep to link up play.

Some creative midfielders tend flourish in the false 9 role (especially those with great finishing and intelligent movement) because they are already skilled in the midfield role and have some attributes of a good striker (finisher and intelligent positioning). That is why a players like Debruyne, Foden, Bellingham, Bernado silva might perform well in that role while many other fantastic midfielders might struggle in the role.

So you saying a false 9 is a midfielder playing upfront using that Fabregas example and denying Kane as a false 9 is wrong. It only makes it look like a false 9 has to be a midfielder and strikers can’t play as a false 9.

Spy360:

Kane is already a true 9. He does not even drops deep because he is always their most forward player.

You are saying this because you saw Kane holding ball against Arsenal. But forgetting that they were playing in a low block. Kane was still their farthest player.

When you say a striker drops deep, it means he is no longer the farthest player.

Van Persie was not originally a striker. He was converted by Wenger just as Henry. But under Ferguson he was a true 9. Man United bought him as a true 9.

All these is just grasping at straws especially in Rvp own. I just no wan bring up Kane evidence sef

I showed you evidence from professionals including his coach and himself saying he played as a false 9 in straight terms and you're writing long English.

Once you have made up your mind, even if thief tell you say na him steal am, you go still try to interpret the "stealing" the thief used all so that you must claim W.

Na you sabi

Spy360:

Lol

If a striker is playing striker does it change anything?

For it to be false, it has to be a midfielder playing as a striker.

Abeg nor argue semantics with me. I pass that level.

Maybe you should take the argument to those who taught you semantics.

A striker can play as a false 9! This is a simple knowledge na. What makes a false 9 is the role you played on the field and not necessarily whether a player is a midfielder or a striker.

You can search in Google though

Spy360:

It is not that he is free to waste, but I just gave you the reason why he wastes chances. If you want him to score more he has to be less involved. A good example is Nketiah.

I have done this argument with Jodera and he saw it, please trace it back I don't have time.

There is absolutely no excuse why a player should be wasting chances. Na you know where you carry your own excuse come from.

Spy360:

Very possible but it will be an uphill task and such a player does not exist amongst the top clubs.

Victor Gyokeres is a good example but there is no guarantee that he will succeed under the conditions of the PL.

It is not an uphill task. If Gabriel Jesus can just convert 60% of his chances, we would have had one in our hand. But baba go dey dance atilogwu.

BlueRayDick:


The bold is what u think , but u are wrong.

Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he signed Jesus? Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he made Nketiah stay? Do u think Arteta didn't know what he was doing when he signed Havertz with a whole 65m ?

Those are the kind of players Arteta fancy playing as striker for his team. Whether u call them 9, false 9, AM that can play 9, etc... those are his kind of players.

Let me even ask u : What will u do if season ends and Arteta signs Julian Alvarez from city or Martinez of Inter Milan ?

Why is he going after his oga scrap
Remember we were so close to getting sterling just that city won't release so much players to us
Also we should have gotten isak ahead of Newcastle but it didn't
I also remember he wanted vlahovic but the werey chose juve more reason I think arteta will go for a physical forward this time
The sporting guy looks tidy, I still love vlahovic or Boniface
We should stay away from osihmeh abeg

germaphobe:

Abeg lets not go there Biko. It won't only affect the entire team, it will affect us as fans too. That's a no no.

It will work bro.. I've mentioned I here once. I've even read something of such on EBL'S thread.

mostob:
It is not an uphill task. If Gabriel Jesus can just convert 60% of his chances, we would have had one in our hand. But baba go dey dance atilogwu.

I agree

mostob:
There is absolutely no excuse why a player should be wasting chances. Na you know where you carry your own excuse come from.

It's not an excuse it's a reason.

It's like asking someone to run 200m before jumping a bar. Even if the bar is less that 50cm high, that person will not get it 100%.

iamoyindamola:

Why is he going after his oga scrap
Remember we were so close to getting sterling just that city won't release so much players to us
Also we should have gotten isak ahead of Newcastle but it didn't
I also remember he wanted vlahovic but the werey chose juve more reason I think arteta will go for a physical forward this time
The sporting guy looks tidy, I still love vlahovic or Boniface
We should stay away from osihmeh abeg

Isak can play both CF and LW. Also, Isak can play comfortably well in our free-flowing attacking football; he's not the traditional 9 that stays upfont and expects to be serviced all through the match.

I think Arteta always goes for his former oga's players cos he has seen them play at close range; he knows the ability of each of them and he believes he has what it takes to make them better for his own style of play.

Probably he feels it will require more time for him to sell his style of play and football philosophy to other club players if he should sign them.

I may be wrong tho, but I think that's how he thinks

BlueRayDick:


Isak can play both CF and LW. Also, Isak can play comfortably well in our free-flowing attacking football; he's not the traditional 9 that stays upfont and expects to be serviced all through the match.

I think Arteta always goes for his former oga's players cos he has seen them play at close range; he knows the ability of each of them and he believes he has what it takes to make them better for his own style of play.

Probably he feels it will require more time for him to sell his style of play and football philosophy to other club players if he should sign them.

I may be wrong tho, but I think that's how he thinks

That should be part of it
Even though I was not convinced with isak too but the guy give me big L
He's impressed massively from the one I know in soceidad

Spy360:

It's not an excuse it's a reason.

It's like asking someone to run 200m before jumping a bar. Even if the bar is less that 50cm high, that person will not get it 100%.

Totally unrelated example. What of the time he ran just 5m? What excuse would you have given then?

iamoyindamola:

That should be part of it
Even though I was not convinced with isak too but the guy give me big L
He's impressed massively from the one I know in soceidad

At Sociedad he looked kind of sluggish even though he was getting the job done. He looked like someone who was going to struggle to adjust to the pace of the EPL; but he has shown those were wrong assessment of his ability.

Toluxe0075

You quoted a simple definition I gave just to discredit me with an epistle. Imagine putting up all those words just to explain false 9.

My simple definition is a midfielder playing upfront. That is the player possesses the skills of a midfielder but is positioned as a striker. You mentioned them as dribbling, ball control, creativity etc.

The examples you gave also justified my claims. Bernado, Messi, Bellingham etc were all midfielders in advanced roles.

Also as you said that a striker drops deep could be due to lack of seeing the ball not necessarily because he has to. In a low block the striker will have less of the ball and will drop deep but he will always be the most advanced player in his team. For a false 9 it is his duty and not just him doing it. Even strikers drop deep to defend. That doesn't make them false 9s.

There is a difference between a midfielder in an advanced role and a striker dropping deep. The bolded is what's a false 9. Common sense will tell you that if he is a striker already there's no point calling him false. It a midfielder is playing midfield will you call him false 10? Makes no sense. The false in that term is because he is not a striker in the first place.

Kane drops deep because that's his pattern not because the coach wants him to. Even at Spurs he does that too. We cannot look at Harry Kane in a team and say he is playing false 9 because he drops deep at times. Kane does that simply to evade markers. That's his pattern. But when you have Kane in your team you don't say he is a false 9. That would be stupid. You can easily replace Kane with Lewandoski, does that change anything? No. If you substitute Kane with Chipo Moting will he also drop deep? No.

mostob:
Totally unrelated example. What of the time he ran just 5m? What excuse would you have given then?

Use your head.

BlueRayDick:


At Sociedad he looked kind of sluggish even though he was getting the job done. He looked like someone who was going to struggle to adjust to the pace of the EPL; but he has shown those were wrong assessment of his ability.

Exactly
I think it was ebening that was bidding for him that year

iamoyindamola:

That should be part of it
Even though I was not convinced with isak too but the guy give me big L
He's impressed massively from the one I know in soceidad

Isak's finishing and conversion rate is impressive. However, I doubt Newcastle will allow him leave.

daveP:


Spy is still content with the 80+ goals we get. I have never said e no dey sweet belle. Just that we need an experienced or dangerous 9 that will be the difference on nights everything complex doesn't work, when we chose to go direct. The team os already setup for any sensible 9 to score 30 and I'm not even exaggerating. That arrival will even take away attention from our tired wingers too. Me i can't wait.

I heard some new RVPs are in Eredivisie. But they're all lads for now.

We need new correct striker that can impose himself and make things happen.

Bayern game made me realize we need someone that's clinical and not easily bullied.

Havertz only play well when arsenal does

mostob:
Baba no send anybody. He scored a golazo as if it is normal thing. He didn't even know how to celebrate..Man is just too serious.


Southgate and his cronies go dey piss for body now

daveP:


Thank you jare.

What spy fails to realize is that this very team is setup to make a 9 flourish. The fact that we score goals doesn't mean the arrival of a 9 will change our style. We won't just need to pin teams back like before, looking for loopholes. This team is set up already to isolate opponents CBs that a lone pacy 9 will destroy.


Drury, i miss the man abeg. Where's Jim sef. E don tey.

Gbam
This team is almost complete but the the arrival of a lethal 9 will complete the team, cause that will increase our goal tally at the end of the season cause I’m sure the arrival of a 9 won’t stop Saka from scoring goals and taking assist.

The arrival of a 9 will make us appreciate Ordegarrd more cause Man will rake assists.

Roland17:


Isak's finishing and conversion rate is impressive. However, I doubt Newcastle will allow him leave.

That's why he's not in my list
I just they laugh as others they mention him

The kain coach we go see for EPL next season eh...
Heard Liverpool is going for Feyenoord coach... another 'baldie' from Holland. May he turn out like his elder brother (Ten Hang)

Spy360:
Toluxe0075

You quoted a simple definition I gave just to discredit me with an epistle. Imagine putting up all those words just to explain false 9.

My simple definition is a midfielder playing upfront. That is the player possesses the skills of a midfielder but is positioned as a striker. You mentioned them as dribbling, ball control, creativity etc.

The examples you gave also justified my claims. Bernado, Messi, Bellingham etc were all midfielders in advanced roles.

Also as you said that a striker drops deep could be due to lack of seeing the ball not necessarily because he has to. In a low block the striker will have less of the ball and will drop deep but he will always be the most advanced player in his team. For a false 9 it is his duty and not just him doing it. Even strikers drop deep to defend. That doesn't make them false 9s.

There is a difference between a midfielder in an advanced role and a striker dropping deep. The bolded is what's a false 9. Common sense will tell you that if he is a striker already there's no point calling him false. It a midfielder is playing midfield will you call him false 10? Makes no sense. The false in that term is because he is not a striker in the first place.

Kane drops deep because that's his pattern not because the coach wants him to. Even at Spurs he does that too. We cannot look at Harry Kane in a team and say he is playing false 9 because he drops deep at times. Kane does that simply to evade markers. That's his pattern. But when you have Kane in your team you don't say he is a false 9. That would be stupid. You can easily replace Kane with Lewandoski, does that change anything? No. If you substitute Kane with Chipo Moting will he also drop deep? No.

Lol 😂

Seeing Liverpool current forwards(aside Salah), one can't help but appreciate Mane and Firmino.

toluxe0075:

Lol 😂

E reach to Lol