Uncle Charles:

@Bidemi. I`m glad that you are glad to find this and gladly, I wish to inform you that one who has found the Grail Message and discovered it`s value knows that he has found that which he seeks. If he needs to understand anything further about life and human existence, he will find guidance In the Light of Truth. If he follows you to Church, even you know that he will only be doing so to please you. If he wishes to know more about the history and life of the Jews, he can read the bible in his room. All he can learn from the pastor is the church culture which he doesnt really need. As far as knowledge of life and existence is concerned, it is the pastor who has to listen to your fiancee in other to learn. Even you know this in your heart of hearts. If your fiancée has a Christian background like I do, then you also know that he understands the bible better than your pastor so why do you need to take him through the trouble of listening to your pastor just to please you? and of course you know your pastors attitude to a person like your fiancee. why do you need to expose the gentleman to uneccessary embarrassment from another man who without knowing any better will take a stance of God-sent authority over your fiancee who then will have to try to be polite.......to be a seeker is not an aspiration. A seeker is a person who seeks something. In this case, the individual seeks knowledge of life and existence. If you seek you are a seeker, it is not a matter of aspiring to be or asking how to be a seeker. If you are not satisfied with your church teachings on life and existence and you seek to know more, the Grail Message is a book that offers you knowledge on life and existence, answering all questions on this subject. Your fiancee reads it, you can read it too. It is available in bookshops, libraries even on the internet as well as in your fiancees room. That "you can`t ask your fiancee" sounds strange so strange that I didnt want to send in a reply, but it seems you really are in earnest. Let me conclude that I think you should please ask him. He is in the best position to advise and to guide you but if you inwardly wish to keep your quest away from him, all good just go on and read the book, you will thereby merely be postponing the day when your fiancee will be glad to find out that you are so interested in the most important work he knows.

Thanks for the response.
I what i meant is i can't ask my fiance to take me to where he goes for the regular service cos of some reason, was asking ur opinion on how i can go about it.. Thanks all d same.[color=#000000][/color]

Plzzzzz y'all don't know shit....grail my yellow ass..if you are born and grown in the grail then you can speak bout them....grail is a way of making you see and practice evil like its nothing...cross beares are hypocrits...the message teaches you to hide you demonic evil selves under the so called lights.....the message to me so far is bullshit and it will take only turning back the hands of time and abrushin himself doing some explation to get my mind twisted on it...this is sickening and sad....I so wanna puke.

@ Alfonso.mara

Hello. I found your comments to be full of venom. I wonder whether your disgust is informed by what you have read in the Message or your personal observation of and/or interaction with some dudes in your surrounding who merely profess to be adherents of the Message
(i.e. dubious crossbearers) - which one is it? Also, what is it that you would like the Author Abd-ru-shin to incarnate again in order to explain to you?
What conceit! How important and valuable you must consider yourself to be! It obviously has not occurred to you that you are even less than an ant in the scheme of things! The mills of the Laws of Creation will simply crush you into smithereens!

Again, perhaps the Author need not go to all that trouble of re-incarnating on your behalf if the answers to your questions have already been provided but YOU have failed to seek them out. I'm afraid it would be double jeopardy for you if that is the case. So, come out with the grievances that so torment and torture you - lets hear them - without lacing your comments with unnecessary venom of course!
Perhaps you can still be helped but I doubt it!

I can't believe this!

Please to understand you, i would like to ask the cross bearers;
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

Thanks!

@noreasy
Thanks for your question; I will reply as follows:

noteasy:
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?

Genuine cross bearers do not believe; rather they are convinced! Belief means accepting something that you haven’t experienced, something that is not born out of your personal recognition, something that may not even make sense to you but you have accepted blindly. Either because you are told to, or because of your religious orientation, tradition, culture, etc.

The Grail message urges its adherents to weigh and examine everything. One must be convinced of every thing that she/he lives by, especially anything pertaining to God.

Genuine cross bearers are convinced in God, the almighty; Convinced that creation issued out of HIS eternal laws which swing in Love and Justice.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?

Again, when it comes to God, belief is not enough. Belief cannot emanate from the spirit, the breath of God in man. Beliefs arise from the intellect. And one can only approach God in his spirit, not his intellect. The spirit knows, not believes. And to know means to be convinced. Hence from the spirit comes living conviction.

Genuine crossbearers are convinced that Jesus, who is the Living Love of God, is and will forever remain the inborn son of God. However, we use the term son for the lack of a better word; for God does not have sons in the human way of having sons. The Son of God means the part of God that, although eternally connected to God the father, works separately from Him. Hence Jesus is a part of God that once incarnated on earth to save mankind from spiritual death. Jesus is that part of God the father that God the father used to save mankind.

God the father also used another part of Himself to create maintain creation. This part severed from God the father, and through Him all creation came into being. He is the Living Will of God. He is the Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Again, genuine crossbearers do not just believe in the true teachings of Jesus, genuine crossbearers are convinced in the eternal Truth that the son of God, Jesus, brought to mankind.

noteasy:
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

It depends on what you mean by Christians. If by that you mean church goers or religionists, then all I can tell you is that it is not necessary to join any religion, denomination, or church to live in the Light of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus did not bring or found any religion of earth.

If by Christians you mean followers of Christ, or those who live by the teachings of Jesus, then genuine crossbearers are Christians. The Grail message and the message of Jesus are one.

noteasy:
Thanks!

Remain blessed, and thank you too!

Justcool, thanks for your wonderful responses.
I know that conviction comes first before believe.It is only when you are convinced that you believe without doubts.

I'm glad you said you(the cross bearers) are Christians, but i still have more to ask;
Can you please kindly assist me go further by declaring that you(cross bearers) have accepted Jesus Christ as your guide and personal saviour(only if you believe and truly believe in Him)?

Do you believe that the teachings and words of Jesus Christ are all true and will ever be true(His words never changes and would never change,He is not a liar)?

Please, where do you reference the teachings of Jesus Christ(where do yo refer for the teaching of Jesus Christ)?

For me, i reference the holy bible as a christian(not church goers) but from the testimonies of those who lived with Christ and personally encountered his teachings and also those who personally had an encountered with God (before the coming of Jesus Christ) in the old testament of the bible.

With these, we would go into another phase of discussions and questioning.

Thanks,
I welcome all the cross bearers(m_nwankwo and co.) to give me their answers to these questions.

Just thot to share the below;

Meditation: Matthew 6:24-34
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life. (Matthew 6:25)
A hungry four-year-old opens the refrigerator door to search for a snack. She asks for candy or cookies or ice cream. But then her mother introduces her to reality: “If you’re hungry, have a sandwich, a piece of fruit, or yogurt.” If she were left to her own devices for too long, malnutrition would set in. It’s only through parental guidance that she is able to thrive.

It is the responsibility of this girl’s mother to get her child into the habit of coming to her first, before she sets her heart on something that may be bad for her. She knows that eventually her daughter will learn about the dangers of too much junk food and will choose more healthy snacks. But for now, Mom has to make all the decisions.

Can we develop a taste for the good food that God has to offer? Jesus says that the best thing we can ask for the Father to give us is “the kingdom of God and his righteousness” (Matthew 6:33). He promises that if we seek these out, then our heavenly Father will provide for all our other needs—even many of our wants!

These words from Jesus sound so hopeful and inspiring, don’t they? But sometimes it’s hard for us to act on them. We may find them comforting, but when push comes to shove, we can still go for the “junk food” of self-centeredness and self-sufficiency. Think back to a time when you got out ahead of God instead of waiting for his wisdom or trusting in his providence. How did it go? Usually these paths of self-sufficiency lead farther away from the Lord and into anxiety instead, don’t they?

Are you feeling anxious about your life right now? Are you feeling tempted to follow your own wisdom without asking for the Lord’s guidance? Don’t do it! Jesus, your Savior, is also your Provider. He can be your help in every situation if you will let him. Don’t settle for anything less than all the goodness he has stored up for you!

“Lord, you have so many good gifts that you want to give. Why would I ever look elsewhere? Help me to wait on you and to rest in the treasures you have for me.”

2 Corinthians 12:1-10; Psalm 34:8-13

Meditation: Zechariah 12:10-11; 13:1

12th Sunday in Ordinary Time

… a fountain … to purify from sin and uncleanness. (Zechariah 13:1)

A fountain: water splashing up and out, cascading down and over. Soaking, spraying, dancing in the light; cleansing and cooling body and mind. One of the world’s most famous fountains, the Trevi fountain in Rome, spills more than twenty-one million gallons of water every day. That’s more than thirty times as much water as an Olympic-sized swimming pool holds—but it’s still a scant trickle compared with the flow that springs from the Fountain of God!

Jesus is that Fountain, always pouring out love and forgiveness, grace and inspiration. He washes away the filth and grime of sin that stains our souls. He cools the heat of anger and passion, and refreshes us when we’re exhausted in the battle against sin. The water Jesus offers satisfies our thirst and offers us peace and joy. The comfort and compassion of his love play over and through our lives, drawing us to himself and causing us to want to live in a way that is pure and holy.

Jesus is the limitless Wellspring of all we need to live in relationship with the Father: all the conviction of sin that the Holy Spirit, whom he has sent, works ever so gently in us; all the forgiveness and acceptance and gracious welcome that we long for and need to experience as we turn to him. He is in us as a spring of water welling up to eternal life, stilling the throbbing pulse of shame and guilt, and soaking us with joy and delight as our relationship with the Father grows.

This Fountain never fails or runs dry. Its supply is eternal, fed by the river of the water of life, a river that flows from the very throne of God. And Jesus promises: to those who thirst, he will give from the fountain of the water of life. No payment is required, and all who drink from that Fountain will never thirst again!

“Fountain of God, pour over me! Splash forgiveness and life and joy on me today!”

Psalm 63:2-6, 8-9; Galatians 3:26-29; Luke 9:18-24

If truly you are Christians, then Why don't your followers pray in Jesus Name?

hazyfm: If truly you are Christians, then Why don't your followers pray in Jesus Name?

Crossbearers cannot be said to be Christians in the 'orthodox' sense (i.e. the way Christianity is seen and practised today) but they are followers of Christ in that they believe in the true teachings of Christ and strive to live accordingly.
So, the question is what constitutes the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the teachings of men in the Name of Christ? There is a huge difference between the two and in this lies the difference between Crossbearers and so-called religionists who call themselves Christians. The true teachings of Christ have only to do with understanding the Laws of Creation and adjusting one's deeds (thoughts, words and actions) to conform to these Laws. On the other hand, the teachings of men in the name of Christ seek to emphasise 'blind faith' devoid of inner conviction or any sense of responsibility for man's deeds in Creation. Hence, the believers are told that their sins have all been washed away....!

On the issue of praying, what determines the efficacy of Prayer is the purity of your volition as well as the degree of humility that relates to it. An 'impure' prayer or one that is an 'egoistic demand' on the Creator is highly unlikely to rise to that level where it can attract the necessary Power to get heard and thereby achieve the desired result, no matter whose name one shouts when sending such a sacrilegious prayer. On the contrary, it can even attract a response from the Darkness by virtue of the Law of Homogeneity!

If we would be honest with ourselves, we would readily admit the fact that regardless of the faith one professes, be it Islam, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, etc, prayers from ALL believers in the Creator do get heard or answered. Hence there must be some basic pre-requisites which apply to all believers who 'ask, seek or knock' in the right way and manner.

A pure and humble prayer which is deeply felt inwardly (heartfelt) and sent up in earnestness to the Almighty Creator is what is needed for the required blessing to be granted. All the forces of Light would help to make it happen whenever man is able to meet those conditions. However, this is no longer so easy for man of today to achieve due to the intrusion of his intellect which tends to make his prayers impure and unworthy!
Best wishes.

Dear friend,

I am new to this forum and I have read a few posts here. I am also a follower of the Grail Message an I live in India. I just wanted to thank the person who has written the posts - About woman and about marriage etc. I will be happy if I can know the actual name of this Crossbearer and his email id so that I can some time take his help. It's so nicely written by him about women's nature, spirits and the way he described is really awesome. I appreciate it very much. Regards, Srinivas Anna. my email id is srinivasanna7@gmail.com

@ shinealight;

I have written for long and have not heard from anyone. I wil like to challenge you.

You wrote - "So, the question is what constitutes the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the teachings of men in the Name of Christ?" - and I would like to ask - where do you reference the teachings of Jesus Christ(where do yo refer for the teaching of Jesus Christ)? and who wrote it?

I have more to ask but lets start from here.

Thanks!

Please where is shinealight? u responded so quick to hazyfm. Please respond to my post.
Please i'm also looking out for m_nwankwo and justcool, you all have responded so well to other posts and i'm interested in you responding to mine too.

I have alot to say but want to gradually reveal them by examining your knowledge.

Thanks!.

noteasy: @ shinealight;

I have written for long and have not heard from anyone. I wil like to challenge you.

Hello Noteasy. You appear eager or even desperate to engage in a battle of wits to prove some point or to establish the superiority of the knowledge you think you already possess. This is precisely why personally I do not feel inclined to enter into any such debate with you.
Not because I am afraid of anything but simply because that is not my avowed goal.

I am interested in engaging with genuine 'Seekers for Truth' and not those who believe they have already found what they are looking for on the path they already follow. In short, I am not here to convert anybody or to sway anyone from the path they are already convinced is the right path for them. I do not want to take away what you already possess from you - that would not be right! However, if there are issues on the path you already follow which give you cause for concern or worry and for which you are seeking clarification or enlightenment, then it would make sense to dialogue and to exchange perceptions which can help both of us further along the path of spiritual maturing.

So, my advice is for you not to seek to 'challenge' anybody (as it is not a battle to be fought or won) but to continue striving to deepen your knowledge albeit with an open mind, for there are things in this Creation about which you may yet find that you know very little or nothing at all. Please take note that nobody claims to know it all but we are ALL still engaged in spiritual maturing which is a continuous process!

I hope the above is of some help.
Best wishes.

Anna7: Dear friend,

I am new to this forum and I have read a few posts here. I am also a follower of the Grail Message an I live in India. I just wanted to thank the person who has written the posts - About woman and about marriage etc. I will be happy if I can know the actual name of this Crossbearer and his email id so that I can some time take his help. It's so nicely written by him about women's nature, spirits and the way he described is really awesome. I appreciate it very much. Regards, Srinivas Anna. my email id is srinivasanna7@gmail.com

Hi Anna7

I believe you are referring to the explanations I gave to stag about woman and marriage.

My name if Fidelis Nwabueze. You are welcome to ask me any questions here, I will gladly share my perception. You can also e-mail me at xxxxxxxxx.com

I'm always eager and happy to converse with cross-bearers.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@ shinealight;

Please, there is no battle here!
But i have a lot that bothers me about your ways(studying the law of creation, through in the light of the truth) which i thought i should understand your origin.

I know Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, no one gets to the father except through him. There are several christian writes up and they all center or draw points from the Holy bible. And with this, i would like to know if yours also draw points from the bible.

Jesus, whom we follow as Christians did not practice fanaticism and that was his reason for telling his disciples not to stop the man casting out demons in His name, cos if he's not with them, he won't be doing that in His name. Your statement of blind faith is not the best to describe the Christian faithfuls. With this, i would like to ask you - what do you have to say about this below?

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- Meditation: Matthew 8:23-27 “Why are you terrified, O you of little faith?” (Matthew 8:26)

Actually, the disciples had quite a lot of faith. They believed that the wind was going to flip their boat. They were convinced that the waves would overpower them, and they had deep faith that their time was over.

Oh wait, that’s not faith; it’s fear! The disciples were so scared that they couldn’t see that this particular boat was probably the safest place on earth—because Jesus was with them. It’s easy to see that in retrospect, but what about us? How often do you feel buffeted by waves of fear and anxiety? Yes, the storm might be real, but you don’t have to put your faith in its power. You can still believe that Jesus is right there with you, even if it appears that he’s fast asleep.

So what rocks your boat? Are you worried about your children? Are your finances overwhelming? Is it a serious illness or disability? Ask the Lord to speak to you through the storm.

“Lord, where are you? I am afraid and alone.”

“I am here. Even if you can’t see me or hear me, I am right beside you.”

“I’m anxious, Lord. I can’t sleep. I’m worried all the time.”

“Just try to fix your heart on me. Let me show you how to find peace in a storm, just as I did.”

“But the storm is still here. It hasn’t gone away.”

“That’s okay. I am bigger than any storm. Let me calm your heart. Let me show you my steadfast love. You can find peace in my presence.”

“Lord, my faith is not very big.”

“Don’t worry. All I need is a mustard seed. Just come to me with whatever faith you do have, and I will see you through.”

Talk honestly with the Lord today. Tell him what you are dealing with. Ask him to give you his peace and to help calm your anxiety. Even if the circumstances don’t change, you’ll see them gradually lose their power to disturb you. Just try your best to believe that you and Jesus are in the same boat.

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Please what do you call the faith Jesus was talking about?

You talked about Laws of Creation and I would like to ask you - of whose creation? Who created the world, who formed the laws? Does he claim the same pedigree with God?

It baffles me you have commonized the creations He made to mere principles and arithmetic. Where you with Him during creation?

Please do not invite cause upon yourself by disproving the words of God or equating it to science.

You can't save two masters at the same time. Please chose today whom you shall serve.

I thank you all.

The Grailmessage is the best book I have ever read.... Though I have not completely understand all its contents. I wish I discovered this book early enough.

@justcool @m_nwankwo
I stumbled on this tread today & am so grateful for the opportunity that av got to read most of ur posts/excellent replies. Am a crossbearer nd I bless the day I read the book. I wasn't afraid nor biased when i came across the Grail Message coz i grew up with so many questns abt creation nd our purpose for being here on earth. Even as a child, i recognised the spark i carried within me so the search for more knowledge nd for what is true gives me fulfilment. All I can say is that av been a better person living consciously in this part of creation since I chose to adhere to the teachings of the Grail Message nd i pray for the grace to get more knowledge nd understanding as i continue to read.

Dear friend,

Thank you for replying. I am happy to read from you. Here in India most of the population is Hindu and I have also come to the Grail Message from a Hindu family. I try to tell people about the Message but here our Gurus and godmen have influenced and mislead people to the extent that no one is now willing to listen. Since these godmen are comfort loving people, they are encouraging others also not to do anything for their spirits as can be seen from their writings and lectures. I am quoting here one example:

“SURRENDER IS RELAXATION :
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It has to come from deep inside you,

The essential surrender happens within you; it has nothing to do with anybody outside you. The basic surrender is a relaxation, a trust — so don’t be misguided by the word. Linguistically, surrender means to surrender to somebody, but religiously, surrender simply means trust, relaxing. It is an attitude rather than an act: you live through trust.
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Let me explain. You swim in water — you go to the river and swim. What do you do? You trust water. A good swimmer trusts so much that he almost becomes one with the river. He is not fighting, he does not grab the water, he is not stiff and tense. If you are stiff and tense, you will drown; if you relax, the river takes care of you. That’s why whenever somebody dies, the dead body floats on the water. This is a miracle. Amazing! The live person died and was drowned by the river, and the dead person simply floats on the surface. What has happened? The dead person knows some secret about the river which the live person did not know. The live person was fighting. The river was the enemy. He was afraid, he could not trust. But the dead person, not being there, how could he fight? The dead person is totally relaxed with no tension — suddenly the body surfaces. The river takes care. No river can drown a dead person.

Trust means you are not fighting; surrender means you don’t think of life as the enemy but as your friend. Once you trust the river, suddenly you start enjoying. Tremendous delight arises: splashing, swimming, or just floating, or diving deep. But you are not separate from the river, you merge, you become one.
Surrender means to live the same way in life as a good swimmer swims in the river. Life is a river. Either you fight or you float; either you push the river and try to go against the current, or you float with the river and go wherever the river leads you.

Surrender is not towards somebody; it is simply a way of life. A god is not needed to surrender to. There are religions which believe in God; there are religions which don’t believe in God, but all religions believe in surrender. So surrender is the real god.

Go With The Flow
God is just an excuse to surrender. It is a help, because it will be difficult for you to surrender without any object. The object is just an excuse so that in the name of God, you can surrender. Buddhism says simply surrender — there is no God. You relax. It is not a question of some object; it is a question of your own subjectivity. Relax, don’t fight. Accept.

Belief in God is not needed. In fact, the word ‘belief’ is ugly. It does not show trust, it does not show faith — belief is almost the very opposite of faith. The word ‘belief’ comes from a root lief — which means to desire, to wish. You say, ‘I believe in God the compassionate.’ What exactly are you saying? You are saying, ‘I wish there was a god who is compassionate.’ Whenever you say, ‘I believe,’ you say, ‘I intensely desire.’ But you don’t know.
If you know, there is no question of belief. Do you believe in the trees here? Do you believe in the sun which arises every morning? Do you believe in the stars? There is no question of belief. You know that the sun is there, that the trees are there. Nobody believes in the sun — if he did, you would say he is mad. If somebody came and said, ‘I believe in the sun,’ and tried to convert you, you would say, ‘You have gone mad!’

Be Like A Wave
Trust needs no god, the infinite life, this totality, is more than enough. Once you trust, you relax. That relaxation is surrender. Religion, as such, is surrendering, relaxing. Don’t cling to anything. If you do so, it shows that you don’t trust life.
Surrendering means surrendering to life; surrendering to the source from where you come and to where one day you will go back again.
You are just like a wave in the ocean: You come out of the ocean, you go back to the ocean.””

I am trying to tell people that you seek truth and follow truth if you want your salvation and redemption from this earth life but they say that it will happen to them automatically because these godmen have convinced them of the same.

So I will be happy if you please write a note a reply to the above so that I can inspire people that it is not automatic but they should do something for their salvation.

@Anna7

I know of an indian who in my sensing is permitted or called to bring the Grail Messsage closer to india and indeed to areas where eastern religions are predominant. He has written extensively on his own perception of the Grail Message with respect to the spiritual evolution of india and its people. You may find his works to be of spiritual benefit. You can find links to his works in this web address: http://www.sphatik.net/india/. Stay blessed.

Thank you so much for this information and the link. There is so much to read there, i will go through slowly. Wishing you nice time

Hi Anna7

I'm glad you've finally put your concerns on Nairaland. I will share my perception on the issue you raised as soon as time permits me. At the moment I'm terribly busy. Please bear with me. Expect my reply around the weekend.

Thanks and remain blessed.

I just have two questions to ask on Grail Message.

1) Do you believe in Hell, Demons, Devil and heaven. I need details on the above mentioned...
2) Does the Grail Message convey details on Reincarnation?
Pls explain also in detail..
Will be waiting for your response...
Thanks!

With all these write-ups, I have come to believe that grail message is just the study of creation.
But would like to ask,what would you really gain by studying the creation and going contrary to the words of God?
It is this quest for knowledge that led to the sins of Adam and Eve. And now,here comes the grail message thwartting and deceiving people with the intellectual gift given to them.

But would still advice you to truely read the bible(cos i have seen some of post with the bible verse). It has the words of God and would best counsel you. And the only word that gives life in abundance.

I really don't want to engage in any verbal attack but promise to assist whereever you have a hitch to explain the words of God. Please kindly read!

Thank you all!
I promise to help you out whereever you have a hitch.

noteasy: With all these write-ups, I have come to believe that grail message is just the study of creation.
But would like to ask,what would you really gain by studying the creation and going contrary to the words of God?
It is this quest for knowledge that led to the sins of Adam and Eve. And now,here comes the grail message thwartting and deceiving people with the intellectual gift given to them.

But would still advice you to truely read the bible(cos i have seen some of post with the bible verse). It has the words of God and would best counsel you. And the only word that gives life in abundance.

I really don't want to engage in any verbal attack but promise to assist whereever you have a hitch to explain the words of God. Please kindly read!

Thank you all!
I promise to help you out whereever you have a hitch.

And you think you have the monopoly of interpretation over the word God abi?
What makes you think your perception on the word which sure affects your interpretaion is not wrong

@joe4christ!
I'm not saying that I have monopoly of knowledge but I'm only saying I would assist 2 explain to the best of my ability what is of concern to them in the bible.
If you are with me too,you can also assist butteress on my views and explanations.

noteasy: @joe4christ!
I'm not saying that I have monopoly of knowledge but I'm only saying I would assist 2 explain to the best of my ability what is of concern to them in the bible.
If you are with me too,you can also assist butteress on my views and explanations.

Pls just let them be, they've chosen their path, they believe they are on the right path so we too believe same, every man will answer for himself, ii only got into this thread to ask just two question of which they did'nt answer, so i rest my case, those whom the lord has chosen unto his own fold cannot be lost, they will still find their way to his fold. Just release the word and let the spirit do the convincing.
Bless you.
I'm outta here!

joe4christ:

Pls just let them be, they've chosen their path, they believe they are on the right path so we too believe same, every man will answer for himself, ii only got into this thread to ask just two question of which they did'nt answer, so i rest my case, those whom the lord has chosen unto his own fold cannot be lost, they will still find their way to his fold. Just release the word and let the spirit do the convincing.

Very good. I like your open-mindedness and the attitude of giving other people their own psychic space, thereby allowing them to exercise their God-given freedom of decision-making!

Believe it or not, Crossbearers are also 'for Christ' , however, we strive to follow the true teachings of Christ (see my comments in a previous posting on this thread below):

Crossbearers cannot be said to be Christians in the 'orthodox' sense (i.e. the way Christianity is seen and practised today) but they are followers of Christ in that they believe in the true teachings of Christ and strive to live accordingly.
So, the question is what constitutes the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the teachings of men in the Name of Christ? There is a huge difference between the two and in this lies the difference between Crossbearers and so-called religionists who call themselves Christians.
The true teachings of Christ have only to do with understanding the Laws of Creation and adjusting one's deeds (thoughts, words and actions) to conform to these Laws. On the other hand, the teachings of men in the name of Christ seek to emphasise 'blind faith' devoid of inner conviction or any sense of responsibility for man's deeds in Creation. Hence, the believers are told that their sins have all been washed away....!

Regarding the two questions you posed:
1.) Certainly, Hell, Demons, Phantoms, etc, do exist but they are all manifestations of the works of man. By 'works' I am referring to man's volitions, thoughts, words and actions. In summary, these deeds of man take on living forms in the beyond which continue to exist and await the sower of the seeds to partake in the fruits of his sowing.
- The Devil as personified by Lucifer also exists and so do the 'works' of Lucifer and his minions as exemplified by the 'Darkness' and its evil manifestations on earth and in the beyond.
- Heaven, Paradise and the Light regions are also in existence and they form the abode of the Blessed Ones who have no need to descend into the World of Matter for experiencing and maturing but are able to live consciously in conformity with the Will of the Almighty in the higher eternal realms. Human spirits who attain the requisite spiritual maturity through experiencing in the World of Matter are also able to ascend to the eternal light regions, specifically, Paradise.

2.) Again, the concept of Reincarnation as a fact of life is confirmed by the Grail Message and the laws governing this are clearly explained in several passages of the lectures in the Grail Message.

Personally, I do not believe that a public forum such as this is the right place for giving the detailed explanations that you requested. If you are truly seeking to broaden your perceptions as well as deepen your knowledge and understanding of the spiritual principles governing the entire Creation, it is best to get yourself a copy of the Grail Message which is available through the following link:

http://shop.alexander-bernhardt.com/index.php?page=index&x77939=58f99d88e6872183e45812ca030f34dc

Best wishes.

Hi Anna7

I am sorry for not replying last weekend as I promised. I was terribly busy; I most genuinely apologize for my lateness. Please forgive me.

My perception is as follows:

The idea that one needs not make any effort does not correspond to the will of God. Motion is a law that rests perfectly in the will of God. To be alive is to be in constant movement. This movement cannot only be confined within the individual but it interacts with the outside. One who is truly inwardly alive cannot be disconnected from his environment, he cannot remain idle on the outside; indeed, in creation, your environment is a reflection of your inner mobility. It is a sacred duty of every creature, not only to keep himself eternally alive through movement but also to uplift his environment through this movement.

In the lighter planes of creation, your environment always corresponds to your inner condition. Due to the density of coarsest gross matter, this law is sluggish in its manifestation on earth; hence men fail to observe it. Hence on earth both good and bad people may find themselves in the same gross material environment; this is totally impossible in the beyond and above. Hence the idea that it all lies within you and that it has nothing to do with the outside should not be taken out of context.

The individual must never close his eyes to his environment. He must look around him and not only within him. For all that happens in his environment manifests the will of God. Even the laws of nature that we observe everyday on earth are nothing but the manifestation of the Creator’s will. It goes further than that, it also points to the individual where and how he stands in his spiritual development. For the laws of creation place each individual exactly where he belongs, where he earned for himself, or where he needs to be. With this in mind, the individual will realize that the beggar that he meets on his way to work every day is not there by chance. He will realize that his perhaps sick nephew, brother, or neighbor is not completely disconnected from him. These manifestations in his environment are exactly what he needs for his spiritual development. Rather than retiring within himself in meditation, he will reach out to act in his environment. He will help the beggar on his street, he will help his sick nephew, brother, or neighbor. He must act!!! A good volition cannot reside in you without you acting. It forces you to act. Refusing to act is tantamount to blocking it; then like a flame without oxygen it will flicker and die. Or based on the law of creation, it will be pulled away from you, and held fast by the individuals who use it aright by acting it out.

Meditation and surrender that mankind often praise may be detrimental to spiritual development. Prayer is far more beneficial than meditation. During prayer, the individual realizes his smallness and trusts in the power of God; but during meditation the individual retires within himself and trusts in the power within him. Hence Prayer is the opposite of meditation. One who realizes that the human spirit is only a piece of work, a little fruit of creation, will easily realize the dangers of meditation. The power that courses through the human spirit, even in its greatest level of maturity remains an insignificant shadow compared to the entire power of God. The spirit is nothing without this power. Hence one who have come to this realization will only bow down in humility to God and will never for once revel in the little power that flows through him, neither will he ever trust only in the little power that resides in or flows through his spirit. For even this little power that flows through the spirit, which these men marvel at is only sourced from the power of God which naturally flows through power centers in creation; a power to which anybody that opens himself receives, depending o the degree of opening or openness. For all powers of healing lie outside the spirit, the spirit is not a source of power but it is rather like a lens that can gather energy and direct it to singe and burn in what ever direction it chose based on its free will. But to those who believe that it all lies within them, experiences will soon come to their aid, for should they ever find themselves in a situation that requires the concentrated power of God, the little power that flows through their spirits will fail them.

A keen observation will show you that these people that practice meditation, or “retire or commune with their inner self” do not really do so! They only commune with their intellectual volition, and revel in the little light of their feeling. They are often far from communing with the actual inner self which is the spirit; they are often far from their intuitive perceptions. For one who listens to his intuition will be filled with the desire to act, and also the desire for God. These are always evidenced in the intuitive perception; the human spirit originating from the plane of constant activity and movement always expresses the desire for activity in its voice. And the knowledge of existence of God which lies in the spirit is always evidenced in its voice.

The philosophy of meditation or retiring within oneself for strength and sustenance flourishes in cultures where people believe that man carries a part of God within himself or that man is Divine. Hence it makes sense to retire to that Divinity within as opposed to seeking the Truth outside. But the idea of man being Divine is wrong. Man is a piece of work, a fruit of creation. He is as much a work of the creator as his environment, creation, is. Hence he can find the WILL of God expressed in the laws of creation or outside him, as he can also find the same WILL expressed in his intuition, in the voice of his spirit which is an indirect work of the creator. Hence man should not only seek the Truth within him; he should seek both within and without him.

The analogy about the swimmer and the dead person explains clearly the need for personal effort and movement! But pacifists use this analogy without observing it very well or following it through! Observe the dead man. He floats! Right? But for how long and where is he headed? Anything dead floating on a river is headed to be deposited of the shore!!! Currents in creation do not allow idle floating; once the individual ceases to make effort, which is tantamount to being dead, he floats as the currents carry him off towards the shore! Hence in creation, one who floats is gradually being carried to the shore of destruction or prediction. He is deposited of the shore of life; i.e. he loses his personal ego! Good swimmers work every second to maintain their position in the river. Their muscles have to keep working in unison with the currents of water. Hence, under normal circumstances, living creatures are hardly ever deposited off the shore; only dead ones!

The same is applicable with the birds in the air. Once they stop making effort or flapping their wings, they begin to descend! At the initial beginning of such descent, one not thoroughly acquainted with the laws of creation may think that the air is carrying them gently; they may still appear to float. But this is not the case, for if they remain stationary they are headed towards the ground where they will be tossed to the ground or dashed to pieces by the ruthless hands of gravity! Once they stop flapping their wings, the air will gradually but unfailingly push them of its currents, towards the stationary ground.

Hence the teachers who teach mankind to go with the flow or give up their personal effort are like the birds which have stopped flapping their wings, calling out to other birds to do the same. They enjoy gliding in the air without making effort, while laughing at others who are constantly making effort. This gliding without effort appears so comfortable, it appears so gentle, an easy flowing with the currents of air; only that soon they will meet the deadly fate of hitting the ground and dying.

Also the principle of “go with the flow,” is Luciferian. It is tantamount to the principle of letting go! This principle is the easiest way of dealing with temptation; but it is a very dangerous road! Once tempted, the individual lets go, gives in, or goes with the flow! Rather than following the arduous and difficult road of resisting. However, this arduous way is the way of life, the way of remaining alive. For life in subsequent creation is a struggle! The individual has to struggle for his ego or his existence. One must never let go of oneself! We live on earth where good and evil dwell side by side; where all currents, both the pure and impure, courses through. One is often attacked or surrounded by impure currents; in such cases he has to fight, he has to struggle, he has to dispel these currents otherwise they will soil him and set him on a read towards prediction! Due to the density of matter and the fact that at the moment the earth has deviated from its right course and is now revolving at an unnaturally greater distance from the light, all that is dark gains a firmer hold on anything that is material. Hence once an individual lets go of himself and succumbs to dark currents, all that is light and pure in him will in time gradually depart from him. He will become a vessel for impure currents, without knowing it; sometimes in the delusion that he is ascending, making spiritual progress, or serving the light. For all struggles within him will immediately be silenced by darkness; like a bird gliding effortlessly downward or like a dead body floating aimlessly on a river, he feels gripped by a certain peace, similar to the so called nirvana. However this is the grip of death. The individual is headed to the desolation of his hard-earned ego, the worst faith that can befall a human spirit.

Also, Buddha, who was a servant of God did not teach the principle of letting go, neither did he teach nirvana. These principles are the consequences of, or are a wrong reaction to the principle of temptation which is the work of Lucifer. We find this principle, albeit in different guises, in almost all religions and cultures of the world today; so it’s not only found among Buddhists or Indians. Even in western Christianity, the idea that only belief in the savior can save an individual and that the individual’s personal effort cannot help him is another form of letting go! Letting go of your personal effort!

We are not here to go with the flow of all currents that meet us here in subsequent creation. We are here to exercise our intuitive perception with all our strength to recognize the pure currents that come from above and also the impure ones that stem from the dark planes. After this recognition, it becomes our duty to unite with the pure currents and dispel the dark ones. We must present a fighting front to all that is dark because all in subsequent creation is not pure!

And mark my works, even after recognizing the pure currents, one must unit with it not just flow on it effortlessly. Nothing pure or nothing from above can be enjoyed or indulged in effortlessly! Only that which is dark or impure carries you along in your sleep, not demanding that you wake up or make any effort. That which stands in the will of God demands that you remain awake. The human spirit possesses free-will which he must employ in his work. He decides, based on his intuition, the channels through which the pure currents that he receives from above must flow. The human spirit can only be a conscious mediator! This he does through his words, thoughts and actions. He has to act!

One who wishes to remain afloat effortlessly in the pure currents of creation will be deposited off to the shore, exactly like the rivers deposit or expel the dead off to the shore! Only darkness holds you in its grip while you are dead or living aimlessly. To maintain or remain in contact with the light or pure currents that stem from above, you have to exercise the muscles of your personal effort, otherwise the pressure of the pure current will fling you out, deposit you off to the shore, or expel you.

The pure currents are meant to flow through you not you lying on them as a dead man lies on the currents of water. And one who has united with the pure currents that comes from above will soon feel attraction towards the source of this purity. His will trace these currents in his intuition all the way to God, the source of all that is pure. Then recognition will dawn on him; he will fall on his knees before his God. This is the path to accent.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@ Justcool
You have written so wonderfully well. I adore your write up and response to Anna.

But I would like to point a fact to you; - the battle is not for the strong(David and Goliath), the race is not for the swift, if Christ does not watch over a house, the housekeeper is working in vain.

And for you, if God does not bless your hard work with success, you have all laboured in vain.

I would refer you to the below with the story of the woman with an issue of blood in the bible,

WOMAN WITH ISSUE OF BLOOD
The Woman Who Was Healed by a Touch
Matthew 9:20-22; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 8:43-48

This sick, anonymous woman must have been emaciated after a hemorrhage lasting for twelve years, which rendered her legally unclean. She could not throw herself, therefore, at the feet of Christ and state her complaint. Her modesty, humility, uncleanness and pressure of the crowd made close contact well-nigh impossible, hence her eagerness to touch in some unnoticed way the hem of His garment. Who was this woman of faith? The primitive church, feeling she was entitled to a name, called her Veronica, who lived in Caesarea Philippi, but in the gospels she is enrolled in the list of anonymous female divines. There are several aspects of her cure worthy of note—
She Was Cured After Many Failures

What this poor woman really endured at the hands of the medical men of the time is left to the imagination. What a touch of reality is given to her story by the knowledge that she had suffered many things of many physicians and was no better but rather “grew worse.” Where men failed, Christ succeeded. Down the ages men and women which no agency could reclaim have been restored by Christ. What is not possible with men is blessedly possible with God. Her disease was of long standing yet she was swiftly healed, for as soon as she touched the hem of His garment, “straight-way the fountain of her blood was dried up.” If a person suffers for a while from a complaint and seeks no medical advice, but in the end goes to the doctor, he invariably says, “You should have come to me sooner.” But it is the glory of Christ that He can heal those who come late to Him.
She Was Cured With the Utmost Rapidity

Mark’s favorite word, “straightway,” which he uses 27 times in his gospel, is in most cases related to Christ’s rapid cures. How swift He was in His relief for the suffering! As at creation, so in His miracles of healing, “He spake and it was done.” Spiritual parallels of His instantaneous power can be seen in the conversions of Matthew, Paul and the dying thief. Many of us, too, can testify to the fact that He can transform character in a moment of time. The term Jesus used in addressing the nameless sufferer suggests that she was still young, though wasted and faded by her malady which made her look older than she was. But the nature of her disease and the age of the one afflicted made no difference to Him in healing the sick and saving the lost. As Jesus passed by the withered fingers of the woman brushed the border of Christ’s sacred dress, and all at once her thin body felt the painless health of her girlhood return. A strength she had not known for 12 years renewed her being, and she knew that Christ had made her whole.
She Acknowledged Receipt of the Benefit Bestowed

As soon as the woman touched Christ’s garment, He felt that “virtue had gone out of Him,” and turned about and said, “Who touched me?” The disciples mildly rebuked Jesus by saying, “Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?” Perhaps her touch had been unnoticed by the eyes of those around, and she must have been one of many who touched the Master that day as he proceeded on His errand of love, but a touch of faith could not be hidden from Him. Quickly the Physician saw the patient, and trembling with self-consciousness but too glad and grateful to falter, she confessed to her touch of His robe. “She told him all the truth.” She experienced that open confession is good for the soul. What a glow of gratitude her countenance must have had, as she publicly stated that her burden for twelve years had rolled away!
She Was Commended for Her Faith

The crowd who listened to her confession also heard the Saviour’s benediction, “Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.” As a true daughter of Abraham (Luke 13:16), her faith is crowned by the Master. Hers was not faith without a touch, or a touch without faith. Believing, she appropriated and was healed. “Daughter,” was an endearing term for Jesus to use. Some tender insight of His own must have prompted Him to use it. As Theron Brown puts it so beautifully—

The restored sufferer would never forget the friendly benignity that assailed her with one indulgent epithet or the sympathy in that endearing term by which the Messiah of Israel recognized her as His own.... She cherished her debt to the Man of Galilee.
She Has a Place in Legend

It is said that this woman who was healed of her plague walked with Jesus as He went to His cross, and that seeing His blood and sweat, she drew out her handkerchief and wiped His brow. Later on, as she reverently caressed the piece of linen, she found the image of the blood-stained face of Jesus imprinted on it. Face cloths for the Roman catacombs alleged to hold the impress of His features were called Veronicas. About a.d. 320, Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea and a dependable historian records that when he visited Caesarea Philippi, he heard that the woman healed of her issue of blood out of gratitude for her cure had erected two brazen figures at the gate of her house, one representing a woman bending on her knee in supplication—the other, fashioned in the likeness of Jesus, holding out His hand to help her. The figure had a double cloak of brass. Eusebius adds this explicit statement as to these figures, “They were in existence even in our day and we saw them with our own eyes when we stayed in the city.” The well-known Sankey gospel hymn recalls and applies the story of the nameless woman whom Jesus healed—

She only touched the hem of His garment,

As to His side she stole,

Amid the crowd that gathered around Him,

And straightway she was whole.

It is encouraging to know that His saving power this very hour can give new life to all who by faith take hold of His skirt (Zechariah 8:23).

I urge you to please read your bible(with God's words) and you would have life in abundance.

Shalom!

Hi Justcool. Thank you so much for answering. Your explanations on the Law of movement, prayer and meditation, spirit and the Power of God, principal of letting go and temptation are very nice and quite helpful for the deepening the knowledge of the readers of the Grail Message.

I was looking on the Nairaland if you have ever explained the Eternal laws of creation and how they work. If not please do the same especially in context of that people should know and understand these laws which is more important for them than to following the dictates of their own religions. No hurry please take your time.