CAMEROONPRIDE: we have, dances, music, food, some rituals. the "look" etc . now let's get closer. what's the difference between a Xhosa and a Zulu ?
or a baynakole and Hutu?
what's the difference between a fang and a Beti?
of course if you take a Bantu(farmer from the centre) and compare with a bantu living in the mountain/cattle rear , u sill more differences than similarities it still doesn't change the fact that they are the same.
another great example is the Fulani. we know there are the nomadic Fulani and the non nomadic aren't they all Fulani? don't they have the same culture? Fulaman will sed more light but I heard and I know some non nomadic Fulani I mean most are now mixed and have adopted dfferent habits. let's take the case of food . whatare the chance that a nomadic Fulani knows about spices/salt? or even fish? does it mean that now that the non nomadic who know love fish or bush meat more than cows aren't anymore Fulani ?

The nomadic Fulani are called Mbororo'en (which is what I am, though I don't heard cattle because I wouldn't be here). The other non-Nomadic Fulani usually tend to hold high office positions and have indeed intermarried with other ethnic groups in the North like the Bute, Hausa, Kanuri, Shuwa Arabs, etc. etc.

It is hard to say where you are getting at here. As long as they speak the Fulfulde tongue, then I do consider them Fulani. The Non-nomadic Fulani eat all kinds of meat except Pork. They also tend to be more focused on Islam than Nomadic Fulani. Nomadic Fulani know more about salt and spices than non-nomadic Fulani because we trade more so in Markets than Non-nomadic Fulani. You will be amazed at what Nomads know.

Fulaman198: The only Nilotes we have in West Africa are the Kanuri (Beri-beri), and the various Songhai groups (Djerma/Zarma, Dendi, Sonrai Korya chinni, etc). Wodabe Fulani like all Mbororo roots Fulani like myself (those who have always reared-cattle) are of Senegambian origin with roots also in Northern West Africa pre-Arabs. Touaregs are original Berbers who also have roots in North Africa. We are not related to Cushitic people but share some cultural similarities with them. I still believe that all west Africans though must have some root in present day Sudan. Sudan like Nigeria is one country that contains all the language groups of Africa.

There's a postulation that certain Yoruba groups are related to the Kanuri's, just as some Yoruba's are closely related to the Bamileke of Cameroon as well. You need to understand that the Yoruba's came into present day Nigeria, through different waves of migrations. The first group were the Nok group and the rest migrated later.

@Cameroon

The Bamileke's aren't Bantu.

Black Kenichi:
Sorry I meant to say Central Saharan instead of Chadic. Also The songhai and Kanuri don't really look that different from other West African. The Nilotics of South Sudan look quite different from West African. Hell, the South Sudanese look quite different to the Chadians as well.

Well I agree they don't look that different from other West Africans but on average are darker complexioned due to living in the Sahel/Sahara. Typically speaking, Sahelians tend to be darker complexioned than those who are non-Sahelians.

Also When you say South Sudanese look different from Chad, which ethnic groups are you referring to? Chad has a lot as well.

alanmwene: I don't think igbos are bantus stricto sensu!Igbos are more related to yorubas,ghanians,etc....than to any bantu group!For sure it is always possible to find similiraties here and there between bantus and west Africans,but there are quite significant cultural and genetical differences between the two groups.For example bantus don't have deities whereas igbos and yorubas have ikenga,yemanja,ogun etc.......bantus have always been absolutely monotheists!Bantus are totally egalitarians whereas west Africans aren't!We can go on and on....

That is correct

shymexx:

There's a postulation that certain Yoruba groups are related to the Kanuri's, just as some Yoruba's are closely related to the Bamileke of Cameroon as well. You need to understand that the Yoruba's came into present day Nigeria, through different waves of migrations. The first group were the Nok group and the rest migrated later.

Were the Nok people Yoruba? I think that one is up for debate

Fulaman198:

Were the Nok people Yoruba? I think that one is up for debate

Most historians believe they're the present day Yoruba's due to their arts and other things. However, I still believe more research needs to be done.

shymexx:

Most historians believe they're the present day Yoruba's due to their arts and other things. However, I still believe more research needs to be done.

I agree, I'm not discrediting what you say, I just am unsure if present day Yorubas were Noks. I know that Noks were an ethnic group from Nigeria for sure, but that is all I know.

onila:

igbos dont look congolese

we dont have round faces

pls stop claiming us

Come on,congolese men and women look ways ways better than igboos!
Check up igbos having a meal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmrldELNZM

alanmwene:
Come on,congolese men and women look ways ways better than igboos!
Check up igbos having a meal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmrldELNZM

eating a dog is better than eating gorillas

eating gorillas- cannibalism

igbo are attractive, you must admit

congolese girls have better bodies than Nigerian girls

but not better faces

alanmwene: I don't think igbos are bantus stricto sensu!Igbos are more related to yorubas,ghanians,etc....than to any bantu group!For sure it is always possible to find similiraties here and there between bantus and west Africans,but there are quite significant cultural and genetical differences between the two groups.For example bantus don't have deities whereas igbos and yorubas have ikenga,yemanja,ogun etc.......bantus have always been absolutely monotheists!Bantus are totally egalitarians whereas west Africans aren't!We can go on and on....

true tho

I hope u don't think I meant the nomadic are Bush or ignorant.I picked randoms stuffs to show that in the same ethnic groups people can evolve differently. And even adopt a new culture depends on this and this .same with Bantu

Fulaman198:

The nomadic Fulani are called Mbororo'en (which is what I am, though I don't heard cattle because I wouldn't be here). The other non-Nomadic Fulani usually tend to hold high office positions and have indeed intermarried with other ethnic groups in the North like the Bute, Hausa, Kanuri, Shuwa Arabs, etc. etc.

It is hard to say where you are getting at here. As long as they speak the Fulfulde tongue, then I do consider them Fulani. The Non-nomadic Fulani eat all kinds of meat except Pork. They also tend to be more focused on Islam than Nomadic Fulani. Nomadic Fulani know more about salt and spices than non-nomadic Fulani because we trade more so in Markets than Non-nomadic Fulani. You will be amazed at what Nomads know.

shymexx: @Cameroon

The Bamileke's aren't Bantu.

do u have an explanation about the term semi Bantu? What does it mean? Does it mean they have Bantu blood? They adopted some Bantu habits etc ? I really don't get where the semi Bantu comes from.
Meanwhile they identify themselves as Bantu

More khosian blood? Like really? How do u measure that?

Black Kenichi:
There is no Bantu "look" per se. When the "Bantu" migrants went to the Central African rainforest they encountered and absorbed some Pygmy groups. In Southern Africa they encountered and absorbed some Khoisan groups. In East African they encountered and absorbed some Nilotics, Cushitics and hunter gatherer type groups. With different African genes coursing through their respective veins, each bantu group has taken on some of the physical characteristics of their respective group.
I'll have a hard time believing that someone like Nelson Mandela would fit into Central or East Africa.


Xhosa have more khoisan blood than the Zulu. The Xhosa Language has more click sounds than the Zulu language. The Zulu were more warlike than the Xhosa. There's actuall quite a number differences between the Zulu and Xhosa peoples. I don't know much about the other Bantu peoples that you mentioned.


That's my point.


I suppose that Fulaman would have to answer that.

onila: ewww

see this one many Igbos identify themselves as proto Bantu.that's when they don't think they are Jews

CAMEROONPRIDE: More khosian blood? Like really? How do u measure that?

Through genetic testing.

Black Kenichi:
Through genetic testing.

and how do u measure that one tribe is more warrior type than another?

@Onila u can't deny your ancestry, we sha-g-ged our way to igboland
https://www.nairaland.com/1013080/origin-bantu-peoples-eastern-nigeria/1#15247551

Black Kenichi:
Through genetic testing.

okay .still it is not really a difference, xhosa were probably closer(settled closer) to the khosian than the Zulu.

CAMEROONPRIDE: see this one many Igbos identify themselves as proto Bantu.that's when they don't think they are Jews

Igbos thinking they are Jews is just one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. I just try not to laugh whenever I see someone type something naive like that.

Fulaman198:

Igbos thinking they are Jews is just one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. I just try not to laugh whenever I see someone type something naive like that.

True. But I've seen equally ridiculous claims made here on NL. Like, Yorubas came from Canaan; Hausas are Arabs... The whole 'We came from the Middle East' thing is widespread in West Africa. Its not a peculiarly Igbo issue.

Radoillo:

True. But I've seen equally ridiculous claims made here on NL. Like, Yorubas came from Canaan; Hausas are Arabs... The whole 'We came from the Middle East' thing is widespread in West Africa. Its not a peculiarly Igbo issue.

Indeed very true, those are equally as ridiculous about Hausa are Arabs and Yorubas coming from Canaan, all of those things make me shake my head. But you know it is African inferiority complex.

Fulaman198:

Indeed very true, those are equally as ridiculous about Hausa are Arabs and Yorubas coming from Canaan, all of those things make me shake my head. But you know it is African inferiority complex.

It most certainly is. Africans trying to bask in the glories of 'whitish' civilizations belittles the achievements of our own people.

Radoillo:

It most certainly is. Africans trying to bask in the glories of 'whitish' civilizations belittles the achievements of our own people.

Yah, anyways I do not want to derail the thread any further or Onila will accuse me of Hypocrisy. But go back to what I said earlier there is only one Bantu ethnic group in Nigeria and that is the Tiv

Fulaman198:

Yah, anyways I do not want to derail the thread any further or Onila will accuse me of Hypocrisy. But go back to what I said earlier there is only one Bantu ethnic group in Nigeria and that is the Tiv

Um, that may not be entirely correct. There are no true Bantu groups in Nigeria. But there are some ethnic groups throughout the Nigeria/Cameroun border area that are said to be Bantoid by ethnographers and linguists. Bantoid means that they are closely related to Bantus, but are not really Bantus.

Tivs are Bantoid. And so are the Ekoi people of Cross River. The Tikar people of Cameroun are Bantoid too.

Radoillo:

Um, that may not be entirely correct. There are no true Bantu groups in Nigeria. But there are some ethnic groups throughout the Nigeria/Cameroun border area that are said to be Bantoid by ethnographers and linguists. Bantoid means that they are closely related to Bantus, but are not really Bantus.

Tivs are Bantoid. And so are the Ekoi people of Cross River. The Tikar people of Cameroun are Bantoid too.

Oh ok, I understand, but what is the difference between Bantoid and Bantu? Are they not the same thing. I really appreciate your input in this thread.

Fulaman198:

Oh ok, I understand, but what is the difference between Bantoid and Bantu? Are they not the same thing. I really appreciate your input in this thread.

I'm not a professional in this thing, but let me try. The "-oid" indicates simiarity, but not exactness. Bantu languages share some of their features in common with the so-called Bantoid languages. But there are still important differences that put them apart.

An instance. Did you know that Gwari language and Ebira language are said by linguists to be "Nupoid"? This doesn't mean that Gwari and Ebira are the same with Nupe. It only means Ebira and Gwari share some close similarities with Nupe, while also exhibiting some important differences.

Radoillo:

I'm not a professional in this thing, but let me try. The "-oid" indicates simiarity, but not exactness. Bantu languages share some of their features in common with the so-called Bantoid languages. But there are still important differences that put them apart.

An instance. Did you know that Gwari language and Ebira language are said by linguists to be "Nupoid"? This doesn't mean that Gwari and Ebira are the same with Nupe. It only means Ebira and Gwari share some close similarities with Nupe, while also exhibiting some important differences.

That makes sense, thank you for your explanation

Black Kenichi:

Xhosa have more khoisan blood than the Zulu. The Xhosa Language has more click sounds than the Zulu language. The Zulu were more warlike than the Xhosa. There's actuall quite a number differences between the Zulu and Xhosa peoples.

Zulus and Xhosas are both Nguni people. Other than the aforementioned difference (more clicks sounds) these two aren't different at all. And no, Zulus weren't naturally warlike they were trained to be warriors.

alanmwene:
Come on,congolese men and women look ways ways better than igboos!
Check up igbos having a meal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmrldELNZM

You see how lies are propagated. Who told you Igbos eat dog meat?

The cook in the video goes by the name Tunde, and the video description describes the practice of eating dog meat in Ondo State (SW) and Calabar (SS).

Every bizarre occurrence in Nigeria is automatically tagged an Igbo one. Some serious Igbo haters and baiters here!

I don't really know what this thread is about but some Zambians look very Igbo and bear very Igbo sounding names. Don't know if this input is useful.

babe_online: I don't really know what this thread is about but some Zambians look very Igbo and bear very Igbo sounding names. Don't know if this input is useful.

Err...I don't really think Zambians and Igbo's have much in common in terms of looks based on those I've met. Zambians look more like other Southern Africans IMO. However, Igbo's, Gabonese, some Cameroonians and Congolese do have a lot of similarities.

shymexx:

Err...I don't really think Zambians and Igbo's have much in common in terms of looks based on those I've met. Zambians look more like other Southern Africans IMO. However, Igbo's, Gabonese, some Cameroonians and Congolese do have a lot of similarities.

I see.