kunlebal:
That can only be possible if he as more C's that can be converted into B's, cos during my own case i have lot of B's which they can only convert to B+. i wish him the best.

Don't forget that if he had more Cs than Bs as you said, he would definitely have gotten a much lower GPA than what he has. I guess his number of Bs and Cs are fairly almost the same with your own.

3.08 CGPA WILL never go below 3.0/4.0 on the 4-point scale. 3.08(or approximately 3.10) isn't much different from 3.20, likewise the 4-point CGPA won't be much lower than yours. Definitely not below 3.0/4.0.

Let him go ahead and convert it, let's see.

bigfrancis21:

Your 4.0 CGPA(which will fall somewhere between 3.4/4.0 to 3.50/4.0) coupled with a strong GRE score(somewhere around 310), strong letters of recommendation, and an excellent SOP could get you an assistantship in average schools in the US. Top-notch schools will require outstanding and stellar records from you.

noted Bro!! Thanks!!
Am going to add Canadian schools too! I Can't shout

bigfrancis21:

Morning bro. Howdy?

Yea. The 4.0 was over 5 point(our Naija scale). Ie 4.0/5.0. Look at Electronic's post. I know someone who his CGPA was 4.10/5.0 and after conversion to the US 4-point scale, his new CGPA was 3.53/4.0.

The 3.08 was also over 5 points which on the 4-point scale will fall around 3.0/4.0 (+ or - 0.02 error margin). My friend who graduated with 3.12/5.0, converted his CGPA to the US 4-point scale and his new CGPA was 3.05/4.0. 3.08 will therefore fall around that 3.0/4.0 margin.


So you see, I'm making fairly accurate pro-rated estimations.

Hey there, hope you're getting set for classes?

So do you mean if someone has upper division on 5 point scale, the conversion takes significant effects than does for someone with lower division? Well, all his 4 and 6 unit hours when converted to 2 credit hours will have effects on the CGPA. The new grade ranking always has effects on 5.0 scale. I have some As, many Bs, few Cs, 1 D and 1 E but the conversion was fairly ok in my case.

I'd like him to give us feedback after his conversion but I'm affirmative that he is going down below 3.0

@Obo, i see. Well, it's really hard to make any other suggestions. Just keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. Goodluck!!

imperiouxx:

Hey there, hope you're getting set for classes?

So do you mean if someone has upper division on 5 point scale, the conversion takes significant effects than does for someone with lower division? Well, all his 4 and 6 unit hours when converted to 2 credit hours will have effects on the total CGPA. The new grade ranking always has effects 5.0 scale. I have some As, many Bs, few Cs, 1 D and 1 E but the conversion was fairly ok in many case.

I'd like him to give us feedback after his conversion but I'm affirmative that he is going down below 3.0

ME TOO

bigfrancis21:

Don't forget that if he had more Cs than Bs as you said, he would definitely have gotten a much lower GPA than what he has. I guess his number of Bs and Cs are fairly almost the same with your own.

3.08 CGPA WILL never go below 3.0/4.0 on the 4-point scale. 3.08(or approximately 3.10) isn't much different from 3.20, likewise the 4-point CGPA won't be much lower than yours. Definitely not below 3.0/4.0.

Let him go ahead and convert it, let's see.

Till then bro.

imperiouxx:

Hey there, hope you're getting set for classes?

So do you mean if someone has upper division on 5 point scale, the conversion takes significant effects than does for someone with lower division? Well, all his 4 and 6 unit hours when converted to 2 credit hours and this will have effects on the CGPA. The new grade ranking always has effects on 5.0 scale. I have some As, many Bs, few Cs, 1 D and 1 E but the conversion was fairly ok in many case.

I'd like him to give us feedback after his conversion but I'm affirmative that he is going down below 3.0

Yea. Sure I'm getting set for classes. Can't wait to show 'em indians Naija pepper.

I see this CGPA conversion thing is really confusing. Each 5 point-scale GPA has its own equivalent on the 4-point scale. As the 5-point GPA reduces so does the 4-point GPA. And no, the credit units are not reduced or increased during conversion. The only things changed are the grades and grade units.

For eg, FOR WES translation,
our A is their A = 4 points.
Our B is their B+ = 3.5 points.
Our C is B = 3.0 points.
Our D is C+ = 2.5 points.
Our E is their C = 2.0 points and
Our F is F = 0.

For WES' conversion list, there are no Ds and Es on their US 4-point scale. All our Ds and Es are converted to C+ and C respectively thus adding extra points to the person's equivalent new CGPA. That's why WES is considered the best.

Now, the higher the CGPA, the lower the add in extra points to the final because the 5-point GPA is likely to have more As, Bs and Cs than Ds and Es(the very two which add extra points to the overall). And the lower the CGPA the more the add in possible points from Ds and Es because the person's transcripts is likely to have more Ds and Es than the first example, thus adding a little more points to the person's 4-point CGPA since the many Ds and Es will be converted to higher C+ and C.

I'll give you a quick break down of Naija GPAs I've seen converted by WES to the 4-Point scale so you can quickly place for yourself where 3.08/5.0 will land.

Nigeria. US
4.10/5.0. 3.53/4.0
4.08/5.0. 3.52/4.0
3.73/5.0. 3.37/4.0
3.68/5.0. 3.29/4.0(Your own conversion.
3.20/5.0. 3.06/4.0(Kunle's conversion)
3.12/5.0. 3.05/4.0
2.99/5.0. 2.99/4.0
2.33/5.0. 2.50/4.0

Look above and see the linear relationship. Notice the falling pattern of the 5-point scale and its equivalent falling pattern on the 4-point scale. Its a linear relationship. Now look at the scale and estimate the range 3.08/5.0 on 4-point scale will fall on? Your guess is as good as mine.


@Kunle: remember when you sent in your transcripts to WES for evaluation and you were waiting for it to come out, I told you on bbm that your new CGPA will between 3.05 to 3.10? And when it came out and it was 3.06? You told me when it came out and remember I told you I wasn't surprised that knew it would fall within that range. This was because before then my friend who had 3.12/5.0 had converted his own and got 3.05/4.0. And because your own 5-point scale CGPA, 3.20/5.0 was higher than his 3.12/5.0, I definitely knew your 4-point equivalent will be higher than the 3.05/4.0 which my friend got.

Likewise, 3.08/5.0 will be lower than 3.05/4.0 but won't fall below 3.0/4.0 since 2.99/5.0 fell on 2.99/4.0. The range will be between (3.0 to 3.05)/4.0.

Observe that its a linear ratio thing. I guess the confusion comes from the fact that the CGPA 3.08/5.0 is second class lower and its 4-point equivalent, 3.0/4.0 is considered second class upper on the 4-point scale. That's how it is. Kunle's 3.20/5.0 is second class lower but also turned out to be 3.06 which is higher than 3.0/4.0 and which is second class upper on the 4-point scale.

3.08/5.0 isn't much different from 3.20/5.0 and should give something close to Kunle's 4-point 3.06/4.0 in accordance to the law of linearity and mathematics. Hence, I don't expect such a huge downward plunge in the new CGPA equivalent, such as 2.5/4.0 to 2.60/4.0 as Kunle projected.

bigfrancis21:

Yea. Sure I'm getting set for classes. Can't wait to show 'em indians Naija pepper.

I see this CGPA conversion thing is really confusing. Each 5 point-scale GPA has its own equivalent on the 4-point scale. As the 5-point GPA reduces so does the 4-point GPA. And no, the credit units are not reduced or increased during conversion. The only things changed are the grades and grade units. For eg, FOR WES translation,
our A is their A = 4 points.
Our B is their B+ = 3.5 points.
Our C is B = 3.0 points.
Our D is C+ = 2.5 points.
Our E is their C = 2.0 points and
Our F is F = 0.


I'll give you a quick break down of Naija GPAs I've seen converted by WES to the 4-Point scale so you can quickly place for yourself where 3.08 will land.

Nigeria US
4.10/5.0 3.53/4.0
4.08/5.0 3.52/4.0
3.73/5.0 3.37/4.0
3.69/5.0 3.29/4.0 (Your own conversion. )
3.20/5.0 3.06/4.0(Kunle's conversion).
3.12/5.0 3.05/4.0
2.99/5.0 2.99/4.0
2.33/5.0 2.50/4.0

Look above and see the linear relationship. Notice the falling pattern of the 5-point scale and its equivalent falling pattern on the 4-point scale. Its a linear relationship. Now look at the scale and estimate the range 3.08/5.0 on 4-point scale will fall on? Your guess is good as mine.

About the Indians, they are easy to sway but they work in group and cheat and that could make it harder for one to break them

@the conversion from wes website, but don't forgot there is also US range for those grades.

lolz@my conversion, then I need to ask WES for refund.

@the subject's CGPA, I'm still waiting for him and hope he comes feeding us back.

imperiouxx:



About the Indians, they are easy to sway but they work in group and cheat and that could make it harder for one to break them

lolz@my conversion, then I need to ask WES for refund.

@the subject CGPA, I'm still waiting for him and hope he comes feeding us back.

Lucky enough, I got a pal with first class brains going for spring 2014, my same course(Telecommunications Engineering) and the same University(University of Maryland College Park). Oga Chijioke, I greet you o. E kenee m gi.

Na we go run things togeda, show Rajeesh, Rahib, Rapush, Ranjohn and other Ra Ra 'em pepper.

Make I hear say dem break us na.

Lucky, we could meet other Nigerians in UMD too.

bigfrancis21:

Lucky enough, I got a pal with first class brains going spring 2014, my same course(Telecommunications Engineering) and the same University(University of Maryland College Park). Oga Chijioke, I greet you o. E kenee m gi.

Na we go run things togeda, show Rajeesh, Rahib, Rapush, Ranjohn and other Ra Ra 'em pepper.

Make I hear say dem break us na.

Lucky, we could meet other Nigerians in UMD too.

That would be good. I dislike those Indians, they sit in chain for classes even in exams. Let just forget about them now.

Bigfrancis can type epistle for the 7continents









Hi all! It's been a while

bigfrancis21:

Observe that its a linear ratio thing. I guess the confusion comes from the fact that the CGPA 3.08/5.0 is second class lower and its 4-point equivalent, 3.0/4.0 is considered second class upper on the 4-point scale. That's how it is. Kunle's 3.20/5.0 is second class lower but also turned out to be 3.06 which is higher than 3.0/4.0 and which is second class upper on the 4-point scale.

3.08/5.0 isn't much different from 3.20/5.0 and should give something close to Kunle's 4-point 3.06/4.0 in accordance to the law of linearity and mathematics. Hence, I don't expect such a huge downward plunge in the new CGPA equivalent, such as 2.5/4.0 to 2.60/4.0 as Kunle projected.

However, for me, there was no misconception about the upper division or lower since such isn't used here (just asking question about effects of conversion on upper and lower division). They use c. um laude system for higher honors which put even 3.49 nowhere around the top three CGPA ranges let alone 3.0.

US system is

c. um laude (3.80-4.00)
magna c. um laude (3.65-3.79)
summa c. um laude (3.50-3.64)

3.0 is the entry CGPA considered to be minimum for an averagely ok student. And this shouldn't be mistaken for British upper/lower division.

kofsy: Bigfrancis can type epistle for the 7continents



Hi all! It's been a while

Funny girl. Been a while you've been away. Howdy?

Oboy if my calculations are right then my GP is Cum Laude rated ....hmmmmm Actor!! .. lol whatever that means
but do schools .Really convert or they just find the average noni? because I ain't .WESing my Transcript . am not !!

bigfrancis21:

Yea. Sure I'm getting set for classes. Can't wait to show 'em indians Naija pepper.

I see this CGPA conversion thing is really confusing. Each 5 point-scale GPA has its own equivalent on the 4-point scale. As the 5-point GPA reduces so does the 4-point GPA. And no, the credit units are not reduced or increased during conversion. The only things changed are the grades and grade units.

For eg, FOR WES translation,
our A is their A = 4 points.
Our B is their B+ = 3.5 points.
Our C is B = 3.0 points.
Our D is C+ = 2.5 points.
Our E is their C = 2.0 points and
Our F is F = 0.

For WES' conversion list, there are no Ds and Es on their US 4-point scale. All our Ds and Es are converted to C+ and C respectively thus adding extra points to the person's equivalent new CGPA. That's why WES is considered the best.

Now, the higher the CGPA, the lower the add in extra points to the final because the 5-point GPA is likely to have more As, Bs and Cs than Ds and Es(the very two which add extra points to the overall). And the lower the CGPA the more the add in possible points from Ds and Es because the person's transcripts is likely to have more Ds and Es than the first example, thus adding a little more points to the person's 4-point CGPA since the many Ds and Es will be converted to higher C+ and C.

I'll give you a quick break down of Naija GPAs I've seen converted by WES to the 4-Point scale so you can quickly place for yourself where 3.08/5.0 will land.

Nigeria. US
4.10/5.0. 3.53/4.0
4.08/5.0. 3.52/4.0
3.73/5.0. 3.37/4.0
3.68/5.0. 3.29/4.0(Your own conversion.
3.20/5.0. 3.06/4.0(Kunle's conversion)
3.12/5.0. 3.05/4.0
2.99/5.0. 2.99/4.0
2.33/5.0. 2.50/4.0

Look above and see the linear relationship. Notice the falling pattern of the 5-point scale and its equivalent falling pattern on the 4-point scale. Its a linear relationship. Now look at the scale and estimate the range 3.08/5.0 on 4-point scale will fall on? Your guess is as good as mine.


@Kunle: remember when you sent in your transcripts to WES for evaluation and you were waiting for it to come out, I told you on bbm that your new CGPA will between 3.05 to 3.10? And when it came out and it was 3.06? You told me when it came out and remember I told you I wasn't surprised that knew it would fall within that range. This was because before then my friend who had 3.12/5.0 had converted his own and got 3.05/4.0. And because your own 5-point scale CGPA, 3.20/5.0 was higher than his 3.12/5.0, I definitely knew your 4-point equivalent will be higher than the 3.05/4.0 which my friend got.

Likewise, 3.08/5.0 will be lower than 3.05/4.0 but won't fall below 3.0/4.0 since 2.99/5.0 fell on 2.99/4.0. The range will be between (3.0 to 3.05)/4.0.

Observe that its a linear ratio thing. I guess the confusion comes from the fact that the CGPA 3.08/5.0 is second class lower and its 4-point equivalent, 3.0/4.0 is considered second class upper on the 4-point scale. That's how it is. Kunle's 3.20/5.0 is second class lower but also turned out to be 3.06 which is higher than 3.0/4.0 and which is second class upper on the 4-point scale.

3.08/5.0 isn't much different from 3.20/5.0 and should give something close to Kunle's 4-point 3.06/4.0 in accordance to the law of linearity and mathematics. Hence, I don't expect such a huge downward plunge in the new CGPA equivalent, such as 2.5/4.0 to 2.60/4.0 as Kunle projected.

Got your point bro, I remember the cgpa stuff on bbm.

electronic: Oboy if my calculations are right then my GP is Cum Laude rated ....hmmmmm Actor!! .. lol whatever that means
but do schools .Really convert or they just find the average noni? because I ain't .WESing my Transcript . am not !!

Schools convert of course. For those that convert by themselves. They have in-house evaluators who evaluate foreign transcripts.

Actually, WES is the best. If at all you'll have the need to convert your CGPA using WES, please do so quickly.

@bigfrancis21, @ kunlebal, @ imperiouxx, and the rest that i cant mention that took time out to help my cgpa problem..

How do i go about having my CGPA convert to the scale of 4.0 by WES...? thanks

[size=14pt]Seunolumonday[/size] : How did your interview go?


-OjaP

OjaP: [size=14pt]Seunolumonday[/size] : How did your interview go?


-OjaP

It was rescheduled.. She's gonna post her successful interview experience before this month ends..

Amefrica:

It was rescheduled.. She's gonna post her successful interview experience before this month ends..

Thanks.

xandy84: @bigfrancis21, @ kunlebal, @ imperiouxx, and the rest that i cant mention that took time out to help my cgpa problem..

How do i go about having my CGPA convert to the scale of 4.0 by WES...? thanks

I posted the conversion scale and points some pages back. Unfortunately I don't remember the page else I would have posted the direct link here for you.

hello

Nov2

Greetings to elders in house, am sort of new in nairaland and need u guys help. Am a HND holder finish my NYSC June 2012 and applied for US student Visa for fall 2013 but was denied. During d course of interview d VO asked for my SAT and TOEFL result but cud not provide it, reason being that d school I applied for waived it for me bcuz I had GPA above 2.5 so I did not kia to write it. After d whole stuff I was given a leaflet and after reading it all I cud hold was that I don't have a strong tie.

So now, have sat for d toefl and scored 71 and want to apply again. The question now is can I change one or two things frm what I used initially, then also can I claim am working? Having it in mind that initially I claim I was not working reason being that I want to focus my education serious. Pls kindly help am seriously confused
Thanks

Nov2: Nov2

Greetings to elders in house, am sort of new in nairaland and need u guys help. Am a HND holder finish my NYSC June 2012 and applied for US student Visa for fall 2013 but was denied. During d course of interview d VO asked for my SAT and TOEFL result but cud not provide it, reason being that d school I applied for waived it for me bcuz I had GPA above 2.5 so I did not kia to write it. After d whole stuff I was given a leaflet and after reading it all I cud hold was that I don't have a strong tie.

So now, have sat for d toefl and scored 71 and want to apply again. The question now is can I change one or two things frm what I used initially, then also can I claim am working? Having it in mind that initially I claim I was not working reason being that I want to focus my education serious. Pls kindly help am seriously confused
Thanks

Its very commendable that you wrote a standardized test. Its a common reason used by VOs to deny people. Go to the embassy with it.

The VOs don't like to hear that you're idle except you got a cogent reason for that. Working experience is important.

xandy84: @bigfrancis21, @ kunlebal, @ imperiouxx, and the rest that i cant mention that took time out to help my cgpa problem..

How do i go about having my CGPA convert to the scale of 4.0 by WES...? thanks

I don't really get your question, do u want to convert it yourselves or you want World Education Service to do it for you. If your answer is yes to the second question, Kindly register with WES on www.wes.org

Nov2: Nov2

Greetings to elders in house, am sort of new in nairaland and need u guys help. Am a HND holder finish my NYSC June 2012 and applied for US student Visa for fall 2013 but was denied. During d course of interview d VO asked for my SAT and TOEFL result but cud not provide it, reason being that d school I applied for waived it for me bcuz I had GPA above 2.5 so I did not kia to write it. After d whole stuff I was given a leaflet and after reading it all I cud hold was that I don't have a strong tie.

So now, have sat for d toefl and scored 71 and want to apply again. The question now is can I change one or two things frm what I used initially, then also can I claim am working? Having it in mind that initially I claim I was not working reason being that I want to focus my education serious. Pls kindly help am seriously confused
Thanks

Got some questions for you bro, are you going for Bsc or Msc, change some things like what n what. Adding work experience is very important but if you are adding work experience make sure you have your appointment letter, I'd card, pay slip n if possible study leave letter with you. Kindly answer the questions.

^^^ pay slip isn't necessary if he's self sponsor.

Amefrica has said it all,thanks ojap for puttin me in mind

Amefrica:

It was rescheduled.. She's gonna post her successful interview experience before this month ends..

kunlebal:
Got some questions for you bro, are you going for Bsc or Msc, change some things like what n what. Adding work experience is very important but if you are adding work experience make sure you have your appointment letter, I'd card, pay slip n if possible study leave letter with you. Kindly answer the questions.

I think what he needs is employment letter and study leave approval letter

@frankie2k, did you receive my pm?

imperiouxx: ^^^ pay slip isn't necessary if he's self sponsor.

Don't get you bro, pay slip is not necessary if he's self sponsor or if he's not self sponsor.

Tochium:

I think what he needs is employment letter and study leave approval letter

What about staff I'd card