DECOtech: The 1988 Peogut 505. I believe that the heavier a car is, the safer. Though not all heavy vehicles are safe.

Siena:

Not strictly true, bro. Newer cars are actually often lighter than their predecessors, yet safer. There are several factors that make any given car safer.

Body shell rigidity.
Seam welds.
Impact beams.
Suspension eat-up.
Brakes.
Aerodynamics.
Crumple zones.
Battery location.
Fuel tank location.
Dashboard / fascia.

I didn't mention ABS or airbags here, because I'm looking more at passive safety.

smartchoice: Make I park here...@op define your meaning of safe....

Siena:

Not strictly true, bro. Newer cars are actually often lighter than their predecessors, yet safer. There are several factors that make any given car safer.

Body shell rigidity.
Seam welds.
Impact beams.
Suspension set-up.
Brakes.
Aerodynamics.
Crumple zones.
Battery location.
Fuel tank location.
Dashboard / fascia.

I didn't mention ABS or airbags here, because I'm looking more at passive safety.

smartchoice: Associated press AP is this not one of the papers that incriminated Saddam Hussein? Libya's Gaddafi and a host of others..,well the test is subjective and I will like a French test result not American!

Siena: Wow. This makes sobering reading.

CityNG:

Fair enough. Please create a thread when you're done so we can learn.

Meanwhile:

"The AP is one of the largest and most trusted sources of independent newsgathering, supplying a steady stream of news to its members, international subscribers and commercial customers. AP is neither privately owned nor government-funded; instead, as a not-for-profit news cooperative owned by its American newspaper and broadcast members, it can maintain its single-minded focus on newsgathering and its c[b]ommitment to the highest standards of objective, accurate journalism.[/b]

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smartchoice: City NG while am not attacking your person am not comfortable with your one track perspective to the issue at hand..

smartchoice:

Culled from their web and you expect them to give a not so impressive account of themselves abi?

CityNG:

Thank you, I understand where you are coming from.

Is there any untruths that I have posted? Have I embellished any facts presented? Have I not listed a credible source?

I am willing to learn (only a fool will think he knows it all or have all the answers). Please correct me if I have misstated any thing.

I am a dual citizen of the US and Nigeria (I live in both places, not visiting but actually living), I write from the experiences of an American and a Nigerian, unfortunately not as a French because I've never lived there (just vacated there).

Do you know one of the top 5 vehicles on my bucket list?

Renault R5

I have no agenda other than to "car talk".

CityNG:

I do actually expect them to give an accurate, if impressive account of themselves.

They have done nothing in 30 years that I've been reading them to impress me with less than stellar news worthiness.

A question for you: What do you think the AP does?

smartchoice:

Same here just to car talk but I will like to know what the French were thinking of when they rolled out the vehicle

smartchoice:

News but from which perspective?

smartchoice: Oga Gbudje it will be nice of you to give us an European perspective to the issue at hand....your wow does little to educate we your followers on this section.

Siena:

I am actually more surprised that the Peugeot 505 scored so badly in terms of safety, compared to the much smaller (and thin-steel) Toyota.

I have owned both Peugeot and 2 Toyota. A 1986 Peugeot 505 STI, 1985 Toyota Celica, 1981 Toyota Carina Estate and 1986 Toyota Celica Supra.

The Peugeot felt much more substantial than my 3 Toyota. But there you go - proof that weight and size do NOT automatically equate to safer. I am a Euro fan, and don't care much for Japanese wheels, but the facts speak for themselves.

Here in the UK, French cars tend to lag behind the other Euro offerings, and even Japanese models, with Citroen being the cheapest, and Renault the most expensive. Gasoline-engined PSA cars are extremely poor sellers here, with diesel-engined models making up approx. 80% of sales. Gasses are almost worthless used, even a nice clean 6-year-old 407 gasser can be had for very little money, despite bristling with options.

If I were to pick a Peugeot model today, my choices would be, in no particular order:

1) Peugeot 504 GL.
2) Peugeot 504 V6.
3) Peugeot 604 GL.
4) Peugeot 403 Cabriolet.
5) Peugeot 404.

I would NOT touch a modern FWD Peugeot. Nothing to do with reliability, but more to do with their ultra-thin steel bodies, which do not inspire me with any degree of confidence.

smartchoice:

Same here just to car talk but I will like to know what the French were thinking of when they rolled out the vehicle

CityNG: Smartchoice, what news agency do you recommend for me to read that you consider unbiased?

I'm willing to give it a try.

Thanks.