@All

I have not quoted directly from the Grail Message in all my postings because I believe every seeker should read directly from the Grail Message as the author advised. However in view of the outrageous, impure and unfounded allegations made by RedhotChic, I felt that it is not enough to just say that such bizare allegations ARE NOT FROM THE GRAIL MESSAGE. Thus, I will make an exception and provide direct quotation from the Grail Message that directly addresses these allegations. And with those quotations it will be clear to all where the TRUTH lies.

In the lecture entitled "GOD" (chapter 6, Grail Message vol II) the author writes:
"Therefore the prophets whose penetrative power was too weak no longer sufficed, because even the fundamental thoughts of all religious movements had finally become purely materialistic".

"Thus it was necessary that a Mediator between the Godhead and erring humanity should come, One endowed with greater power than all the others had possessed, so that He would be able to penetrate. Shall one say for the sake of the few who, in the midst of utter materialism, still longed for God? This would be right, but the adversaries would prefer to call it presumption on the part of the believers, instead of realising the Love of God as well as the strict justice in it, offering redemption equally through reward and punishment".

"For this reason God in His Love, through an Act of His Will, severed a Part of Himself and incarnated It in flesh and blood, in a physical body of male sex - Jesus of Nazareth, Who thus became the Incarnate Word, the Incarnate Love of God, the Son of God". "As the Son of God, Jesus, is of the Father, so also is the "Holy Spirit". Both are Parts of Him, belonging completely to Him, and inseparable from Him. They are like the arms of a body which can act independently, but still belong to the body if this is to be complete. Yet they can only carry out independent actions as a part of the whole".
"Such is God the Father, in His Omnipotence and Wisdom! At His right hand, as Part of Himself, is God the Son, Love; and on His left is God the "Holy Spirit", Justice. They have both emanated from God the Father and belong to Him as a unity. This is the Trinity of the One God!"

In the lecture entitled "The Immaculate Conception and the Birth of the Son of God" (Chapter 44,Grail Message Vol II) the author writes:

"After Mary's immaculate physical conception the incarnation which occurs in the middle of pregnancy could take place from the Light with a strength which excluded the possibility of any dimming on the intermediate steps between the Light and the mother's body, thus bringing about an "immaculate spiritual conception" as well".

"Therefore it is quite right to speak of an immaculate conception, which occurred both physically and spiritually without the necessity of circumventing, altering or remodelling a Law of Creation for this particular case!"

@stag
I have already shed light on woman, and womanhood. Refer to my earlier post in which I wrote about marriage, above my explanations on marriage you will find where I talked about woman and womanhood.

Now about sex. If by "sex" you mean sexual intercourse, here are my answers:

Sexual intercourse is an earthly(physical) thing; in the beyond and Paradise there is nothing like sexual intercourse. Infact souls in the beyond and spirits in Paradise do not have sex organs. The sex organs are needed on earth for procreation, and sexual intercourse; all of which are a necessity of the physical body.

Just as the physical body, needs foods, eliminates wastes, and needs rest for it to remain healthy.  The desire for sexual intercourse which often happens with men of matured age is normal, and should be satisfied in-order to keep the body healthy. Animals also satisfy this desire, but we humans are not on the same level with animals. The animal is animated by an animistic substance(soul) while humans are animated by their Spirits(the breath which God gave man). Actually the real man is the Spirit, the physical body is only a cloak that the spirit wears in-order to function on earth.

Thus it logically follows that the way man nourishes or satisfies his physical body should not be the same way that animals nourish and satisfy theirs. Man owing to his spirit, which stands higher in creation than animals souls, should exhibit more self control and decency than the animal. I will give an analogy: A 30 year old man does not wear his cloths the way a 3 year old boy does. The 30 year old man makes sure his cloths are clean and tries to keep it clean all day long, but a 3 year old might sit down on dirt and doesn't care how dirty his cloths are.

Therefore it is wrong to indulge in sexual intercourse in an animal-like manner, i.e promiscuity, sodomy, adultery, pornography, incest, and all sorts of sexual perverity. All these acts which have become accepted in today's modern society are wrong. They place man on the level of animals, even below animals.

Man should place sex where it belongs-- in the physcal realm( the lowest realm of creation). Since man originates from the spiritual realm which is far higher than the physical, he should put his spirit above all things. He should use earthly things only for their purpose, i.e he should eat, sleep and relieve his sexual desire just to keep the body healthy. But he should not live just to gratify his senses. He should not let sexual desire become a propensity in him, because such propensities will keep him earthbound. Today sexual desire has become a propensity in most people, today men live for sex just as gluttons live to eat. This is wrong, people should only have sex when it is a desire arising from their healthy physical bodies. Today the senses has been so gratified that the desire is no longer just from the body, it has become a desire of their spirit. And this is wrong because sexual desire should be alien to the spirit, because the spirit has no need for it. Whenever the desire goes beyond the need of healthy physical body and decomes a craving from the soul then such is propensity. Even if the people having sex are married, as long as they do it out of their propensity for sex then it wrong an immoral.

But the physical body's natural and healthy desire for sex should not be suppressed because suppression is unnatural. But one has to be careful to make sure the desire is not as a result of propensity, lust, or enticement. This natural desire for sexual intimacy only occurs when there is a perfect harmony between the parties involved, i.e when there is love between the man and the woman. Thus, in a real marriage(such harmony between two parties is real marriage, even if they had not wedded). In such situations it is not wrong to gratify this natural sexual desire which, in such a case, will also involve a healthy exchange of vibrations, resulting in greater power and harmony.

Thus, sexual intimacy is not just for procreation which often results from it. With humans, if done correctly can also aid the spirit.  But if done wrongly it can bind to spirit, making it earth bound. The afore-mentioned harmony and power that can result from it aids the spirit as well, otherwise the creator would not have placed the desire in humans. Perhaps this harmony is part of the experience that the spirit needs in-order to mature on earth.

One must make sure that he doesn't allow lust to get into it. Even while gratifying this natural sexual instinct, purity of thought should be maintained. A conception that arises from such intercourse will be an immaculate physical conception, immaculate because the conception was done in purity, love, and without sin.

I hope this throws enough light on sexual intercourse.


The above is only my perception and experiencing of the book, "IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH: THE GRAIL MESSAGE." I encourage anybody who wishes to know the TRUTH of the matter to personally read "THE GRAIL MESSAGE" which contains the TRUTH.

@Justcool and stang
All your explanations, pontifications and expositions are in vain! Two of you cleverly refused to mention karma and reincarnation your Grail message believes in but which is against the revealed truth in THE BIBLE!
If the Grail movement believes in the Bible and Jesus Christ, why looking for another truth?

rotimy:

@Justcool and stang
All your explanations, pontifications and expositions are in vain! Two of you cleverly refused to mention karma and reincarnation your Grail message believes in but which is against the revealed truth in THE BIBLE!
If the Grail movement believes in the Bible and Jesus Christ, why looking for another truth?

@rotimy
My explanations are not for you! Please leave my explanations alone!

Is there something in you that cannot leave the Grail Message alone?
Why spend so much energy fighting a book that you have not read and have refused to read?

Maybe your conscience won't leave you in peace, for trying to discredit a book that you have not read.

In all the questions that I have addressed, there is nothing in them that warrants the mentioning of Karma and reincarnation. I simple answered, to best of my limited knowledge, questions that Stag presented to me.

@justcool

thanks so much for your time explaining these things.let me tell you something about me. the very first day i picked up the book and read about who the true seeker is, i knew right there and then that i am one. and you know something about these people? they carry the truth i their subconcious selves as i have always carried these concepts in me but never really knowing. i mean that these things u explain so clearly are the same thoughts i have had in me for so long.

@rotimy

rotimy:

@Justcool and stang
All your explanations, pontifications and expositions are in vain! Two of you cleverly refused to mention karma and reincarnation your Grail message believes in but which is against the revealed truth in THE BIBLE!
If the Grail movement believes in the Bible and Jesus Christ, why looking for another truth?

just ask someone to shed more light on karma and reincarnation for you. SIMPLE!
no knowledge is a waste. relax ur mind, lay ur guns down and try to reason out what the true Grail Message says then decide what it is

I've read the grail mesage (vol 1), attended their meeting, felt something weird like stag mentioned but could not lay a finger on what it actually was. it might be a result of what i've heard before or otherwise cant tell.
But what I know and keeps teling people is if you've ever really questioned some irregularities and inconsistencies that pervades thru our religious beliefs you will heartily agree with the grail message as a harbinger of the [/b]TRUTH.

I still belong to my original belief, but see thing from a different perspective, that everythings depends with me and no other persons on this earth (Imam, Pastors, cardinals,etc.)

@stag, To read the grail message shows you have questions you need answers to, which you might find in the grail message, at the end whatever decision you take is still yours not Abdu-ru-shin's. From the postings so far he never started any movement.

Last Note; Most people can not stand a perceived attack on what they [b]believe in they react by fighting back tooth and nail with all their being.

In this world of ours, the distinction between black/white, good/evil are minimal, but what is plenteous is where they overlap(greys). I rest my case

Any human being who genuinely seeks the TRUTH will be led to the Grail Message. In the Grail Message he or she will come to the recognition of the TRUTH. The Grail Message is a revelation of the eternal TRUTH. It is meant for all creatures of God, even beings inhabiting the divine sphere like the archangels and the elders. Therefore a human spirit can absorb the Grail Message as much as defined by its specie, that is the human spiritual. Even when a human spirit returns back to heaven, it will continue to come to deeper recognition of the Grail Message, but also will consciously know that certain things revealed in the Grail Message lie far above its conscious experiencing. The knowlege mediated in the Grail Message is inexhaustible The Grail Message speaks directly to the human spirit. That is why it will remain a book of seven seals for all those who study it with the intellect or the mind. That is why it will remain a seal to religious fanatics and those that approach it with prejudice. Only with the faculties of the spirit will the light of truth contained in the Grail Message open its rays to the genuine seeker. And when the recognition of the truth finally dawns, the finding one will stand consciously in the power of God for the knowlege mediated in the Grail Message links him for all time to God, the almighty creator. "Seek and ye shall find"!

m_nwankwo:

Any human being who genuinely seeks the TRUTH will be led to the Grail Message. In the Grail Message he or she will come to the recognition of the TRUTH. The Grail Message is a revelation of the eternal TRUTH. It is meant for all creatures of God, even beings inhabiting the divine sphere like the archangels and the elders. Therefore a human spirit can absorb the Grail Message as much as defined by its specie, that is the human spiritual. Even when a human spirit returns back to heaven, it will continue to come to deeper recognition of the Grail Message, but also will consciously know that certain things revealed in the Grail Message lie far above its conscious experiencing. The knowlege mediated in the Grail Message is inexhaustible The Grail Message speaks directly to the human spirit. That is why it will remain a book of seven seals for all those who study it with the intellect or the mind. That is why it will remain a seal to religious fanatics and those that approach it with prejudice. Only with the faculties of the spirit will the light of truth contained in the Grail Message open its rays to the genuine seeker. And when the recognition of the truth finally dawns, the finding one will stand consciously in the power of God for the knowlege mediated in the Grail Message links him for all time to God, the almighty creator. "Seek and ye shall find"!

@ OKONKWO
YOUR BRETHREN SAID THAT I WILL LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE GRAIL MESSAGE TEACHES AND BELIEVES IN KARMA AND REINCARNATION WHICH ARE AGAINST THE TRUTH IN THE BIBLE.
Over to you M. OKONKWO

@stag
I am happy that my explanations helped you. Right after reading your first post on this thread, I perceived that you are a true seeker that's why I took time and answered your questions.

The fact that you recognized that the TRUTH in The Gail Message is the TRUTH that you carry within you, shows that the spirit within you is still alive. Only the spirit recognizes the TRUTH and whoever has let the spirit within him fall asleep or die cannever recognise the TRUTH. Even if the person has all the degrees in the world, he will never be able to recognize the TRUTH because the intellect cannot recognize the TRUTH.

I am happy for you. You are already on the right path. Weigh and examine everything with your intuitive perception, and you will never be lead astray. But also remember to remain eternally humble towards the creator, because one who is not humble will never find his/her way back to paradise, or the kingdom of God. Out of this humility always pray to the Almighty to guide you in your seeking.

When you have achieved these two things(1-weigh and examine with your intuition; and, 2-- pray humbly), then you have fulfilled instruction which Jesus gave when He said: "watch and pray that you do not fall in temptation."

To "watch" means to watch with your spirit. i,e keep your ability to perceive intuitively alive, or weigh and examine with your intuitive perception. To "pray" means to stand perpetually in humility to God and, humbly petition for His help and guidance.

Once you fulfill these two conditions, you will definitely not fall in temptation, neither will you fall in your seeking, because in your watchfullness you will recognise all temptations and in answer to your humble prayer, you will be given strength and shown a way to overcome all temptations.

My wish for you now is "watch and Pray." Then definitely your seeking will lead you to recognition and to Paradise.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@Rotimy

rotimy:

@ OKONKWO
YOUR BRETHREN SAID THAT I WILL LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE GRAIL MESSAGE TEACHES AND BELIEVES IN KARMA AND REINCARNATION WHICH ARE AGAINST THE TRUTH IN THE BIBLE.
Over to you M. OKONKWO

I do not understand what you meant by brethren. Sure, I can draw from the Grail Message and my own personal experiences to show that Reincarnation and the so called Karma are factual, that Reincarnation and Karma are expressions of the Laws of God, a manifestation of the love and justice of God. However I am sorry that I will not give you the explanations you requested. This is because I percieve that you are not a genuine seeker for the TRUTH and it will be belittleing the WORD OF GOD to offer explanations to those who already think that they have the TRUTH. Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

@Rotimy

I do not understand what you meant by brethren. Sure, I can draw from the Grail Message and my own personal experiences to show that Reincarnation and the so called Karma are factual, that Reincarnation and Karma are expressions of the Laws of God, a manifestation of the love and justice of God. However I am sorry that I will not give you the explanations you requested. This is because I percieve that you are not a genuine seeker for the TRUTH and it will be belittleing the WORD OF GOD to offer explanations to those who already think that they have the TRUTH. Stay blessed.

The truth remains that you and your grail message have no TRUTH to offer except to mislead some unfortunate people. KARMA is a Hindu doctrine that has no place in the word of God and reincarnation is totally in contrast with the word of God in Hebrews 9:27 where it is said "that we are appointed to die once". Karma and reincarnation are NOT the expressions of the laws of God but cultic inventions from groups like the Grail Movement. I WILL NEVER BE A SEEKER OF TRUTH AS REVEALED IN THE GRAIL MEASSAGE! God forbid!

rotimy:

The truth remains that you and your grail message have no TRUTH to offer except to mislead some unfortunate people. KARMA is a Hindu doctrine that has no place in the word of God and[b] reincarnation is totally in contrast with the word of God in Hebrews 9:27 where it is said "that we are appointed to die once"[/b]. Karma and reincarnation are NOT the expressions of the laws of God but cultic inventions from groups like the Grail Movement. I WILL NEVER BE A SEEKER OF TRUTH AS REVEALED IN THE GRAIL MEASSAGE! God forbid!

Man is spirit. The body is an instrument which man uses to experience on earth. Thus it is appointed unto man (the spirit) to die once. Thus the often quoted, but poorly understood statement refers to spiritual death, not physical death. Indeed their are documented evidence in the present and past eras of people who have undergone physical death on more than one occasion. Lazurus died and Jesus ressurected him. Lazurus is not living on earth presently. He must have died again after Jesus raised him. Thus he died more than once. In the present time, there are documented cases of human beings who are pronounced clinically dead and who came back to life hours or in some cases days after their physical death. Some of them died again years after their first physical death. Just like Lazurus and others whom Jesus raised from the dead, these people died more than once. These events clearly show that it is possible for earthly death to occure more than once. Thus, those who interpret the statement "that it is appointed unto man to die once" as refering to physical death and use it as a reason for disputing reincarnation can see that their premise of earthly death occuring only once have been contadicted in many instances. Those who genuinely want to know about reincarnation can raise their questions and it will be answered.

@ karma and reincarnation

m
M. Okonkwo, please tell me and other Nairalanders who you were in your fomer life! Your fomer names, what you did and where you lived. Reincarnation have to occur in a new body with same soul! Lazarus came back with the same body and same soul, mthat was why he recognized the Sisters and brethren ulike in the so-called reincarnation!


[b]Reincarnation
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Reincarnation in art Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body. This essential part is often referred to as the spirit or soul, the "higher" or "true" self, "divine spark", or "I". According to such beliefs, a new personality is developed during each life in the physical world, but some part of the self remains constant throughout the successive lives.[1]

Belief in reincarnation is an ancient phenomenon. This doctrine is a central tenet within the majority of Indian religious traditions, such as Hinduism (including Yoga, Vaishnavism, and Shaivism), Jainism, and Sikhism. The idea was also entertained by some ancient Greek philosophers. Many modern Pagans also believe in reincarnation as do some New Age movements, along with followers of Spiritism, practitioners of certain African traditions, and students of esoteric philosophies such as Kabbalah, Sufism and Gnostic and Esoteric Christianity. The Buddhist concept of Rebirth although often referred to as reincarnation differs significantly from the Hindu-based traditions and New Age movements in that there is no "self" (or eternal soul) to reincarnate[/b][i][/i]

rotimy:

@ karma and reincarnation

m
M. Okonkwo, please tell me and other Nairalanders who you were in your fomer life! Your fomer names, what you did and where you lived. Reincarnation have to occur in a new body with same soul! Lazarus came back with the same body and same soul, mthat was why he recognized the Sisters and brethren ulike in the so-called reincarnation!


[b]Reincarnation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Reincarnation (disambiguation).
"Past Lives" redirects here. For the 2002 Black Sabbath album, see Past Lives (album).
For the band, see Past Lives (band).
For the 2008 Galneryus album, see Reincarnation (Galneryus album).

Reincarnation in art Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body. This essential part is often referred to as the spirit or soul, the "higher" or "true" self, "divine spark", or "I". According to such beliefs, a new personality is developed during each life in the physical world, but some part of the self remains constant throughout the successive lives.[1]

Belief in reincarnation is an ancient phenomenon. This doctrine is a central tenet within the majority of Indian religious traditions, such as Hinduism (including Yoga, Vaishnavism, and Shaivism), Jainism, and Sikhism. The idea was also entertained by some ancient Greek philosophers. Many modern Pagans also believe in reincarnation as do some New Age movements, along with followers of Spiritism, practitioners of certain African traditions, and students of esoteric philosophies such as Kabbalah, Sufism and Gnostic and Esoteric Christianity. The Buddhist concept of Rebirth although often referred to as reincarnation differs significantly from the Hindu-based traditions and New Age movements in that there is no "self" (or eternal soul) to reincarnate[/b][i][/i]

Thanks again Rotimy. The explanation I gave on Lazurus is simply to refute your interpretation of the statement that "it is appointed unto man to die once". It was not an explanation for reincarnation. You are correct in your statement that reincarnation is a "process" by which a human spirit survives physical death and is reborn in a new human body. I could easily give you precise details of my spiritual history spanning millions of years. But what purpose will it serve you. Such personal details of who I am and where I lived in my various reincarnations on earth is not necessary for any person to understand reincarnation. I could give you a detailed explanation of reincarnation using the principle of love and Justice of God. I have not yet given you an explanation because you do not want to know and you are "convinved" of what you presently believe. All I have done so far is to refute the first argument you used to dispute reincarnation. Stay blessed.

@ all nairalanders
Since so many people in this forum have made allegations on the Grail Message. Let us use this opportunity to address all questions concerning the Grail Message.

If there is something in the Grail Message that you don't understand, or if there is something that you wish to know about the Grail Message, ask your questions and m-nwankwo and I will offer clarifications.

Please don't join the masses shouting "crucify him!" Rather than joining the masses that attack anything that they don't understand, here is an opportunity for you to scrutinize the Book.  Ask your questions so that afterwards you can have an educated opinion of the book rather than an opinion based on assumptions.

For those who genuinely wants to know about reincarnation. Please refer to this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-94905.0.html#msg1697718

The issue has already been discussed in this forum. There you will find mine's and m-nwankwo's perspective on the issue.

Thanks

Re: Bible Accounts That Suggest Reincarnation.
« #29 on: December 05, 2007, 10:04 PM »

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@Kobojunkie

I know that Jesus the son of God preached about reincarnation. [b]The source of my knowlege is however not the bible. Therefore I willnot quote biblical verses to buttress my persuation. If any person have any objection to the points I raised, then I will offer answers and we discuss.[/b]

M. Okonkwo wrote the above on the thread that Justcool claimed that answered every question on re-incarnation. If not anything, I am happy that M. Okonkwo is honest. His expert views are NOT FROM THE BIBLE! It was a cooked up story from the Hindus, Buddahs and African Traditionalists- a pure cultic belief outside the Holy Bible

rotimy:

Re: Bible Accounts That Suggest Reincarnation.
« #29 on: December 05, 2007, 10:04 PM »

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@Kobojunkie

I know that Jesus the son of God preached about reincarnation. [b]The source of my knowlege is however not the bible. Therefore I willnot quote biblical verses to buttress my persuation. If any person have any objection to the points I raised, then I will offer answers and we discuss.[/b]

M. Okonkwo wrote the above on the thread that Justcool claimed that answered every question on re-incarnation. If not anything, I am happy that M. Okonkwo is honest. His expert views are NOT FROM THE BIBLE! It was a cooked up story from the Hindus, Buddahs and African Traditionalists- a pure cultic belief outside the Holy Bible

Hi again Rotimy

I have always made it clear that the Grail Message is the source from which I draw. I have also stated that I do not use the bible or any sacred texts of world religions to explain or justify my convictions. My answers are drawn from the Grail Message and my experiencing of the laws of God. Therefore I did not cook up any story from any book, philosophy etc. If the faculties of your spirit are opened, you do not need books, philosophies etc to recognise God and his ways in creation. It is not and will never be my intention to persuade anybody to accept what his or her spirit did not accept. Therefore if you believe that your bible is the Truth, then keep to it. I have no intention of persuading you to the contrarly. Many who have crossed my part in this earthlife have initially reacted the very way you do. I am used to it. Stay blessed.

justcool:

@ all nairalanders
Since so many people in this forum have made allegations on the Grail Message. Let us use this opportunity to address all questions concerning the Grail Message.

If there is something in the Grail Message that you don't understand, or if there is something that you wish to know about the Grail Message, ask your questions and m-nwankwo and I will offer clarifications.

Please don't join the masses shouting "crucify him!" Rather than joining the masses that attack anything that they don't understand, here is an opportunity for you to scrutinize the Book. Ask your questions so that afterwards you can have an educated opinion of the book rather than an opinion based on assumptions.



For those who genuinely wants to know about reincarnation. Please refer to this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-94905.0.html#msg1697718

The issue has already been discussed in this forum. There you will find mine's and m-nwankwo's perspective on the issue.

Thanks

Thank you justcool! I completely agree with the sentiments you expressed. Stay blessed!

@justcool/m_nwankwo

So how do you know that the grail message is the truth apart from the rational that it makes sense? How are we sure it is not the work of a very intelligent man postulatting logical answers to questions religions don't answer properly or issues that confuse us? what is the source of the writer's inspiration? Personally i haven't read the grail message and i won't critisize it, but i know someone who said that he ended up having more questions than answes after reading the book.

@KunleOshop,

KunleOshob:

@justcool/m_nwankwo

So how do you know that the grail message is the truth apart from the rational that it makes sense? How are we sure it is not the work of a very intelligent man postulatting logical answers to questions religions don't answer properly or issues that confuse us? what is the source of the writer's inspiration? Personally i haven't read the grail message and i won't critisize it, but i know someone who said that he ended up having more questions than answes after reading the book.

Thanks for your questions. I will address them as follows:

1. God is the Truth. God has attributes or what one may call qualities. These atributes of God include perfection, omnipotence, omniscience, immutability, love, justice. Any thing that is from God reflects these attributes of God. God imbued the spirit of man with a spiritual faculty that enables it to recognise these attributes of God and thus recognise God. This spiritual faculty is not in the human body or its organs including the brain. It resides in the spirit of man. This spiritual faculty enables us to easily differentiate good from evil, justice from injustice, love from hate, humility from pride etc. It is only when this faculty is blurred by the human brain do our perceptions narrow dramatically that we cannot differentiate anymore. It is with this spiritual faculty that one recognises the activities of God which must in all circumstances be in accord with justice and love. Thus in the visible and invisible things, earthly and non earthly things, indeed in all things, look for evidence of love, justice, immutabilty and perfection. To know wheather or not something is true, use your spiritual faculty to find the qualities or attributes of truth. For instance, you reap what you sow. You observe it in earthly planting and harvest. You observe it in your thoughts and motives, in that of you neighbour and your enviroment. If for billions of years it is demonstrated without an exception that mango gives rise to mango, tomato to tomato, evil thoughts to evil thoughts etc, then these experiences will convince you that truth is the driving force behind these occurrences since in no single case was these observations contradicted or invalidated by past, present and future discoveries. Only the Truth is perfect and what is perfect cannot be disproved or contradicted. As you start to examine your actions, words, motives and thoughts, you will see a precise pattern, that is, what you send out comes back to you, as you voluntrily choose to send out only good actions, motives, thoughts, etc, your spirit will inevitable be atrracted to the power of God who is the origin of all goodness. This connection with the power of God enables your spirit to know the Truth and you could easily decipher whatever is true and untrue. Thus examine the Grail Message with your spirit and you will have personal experiences that confirms to you that it is the Truth.

The Grail Message is the work of ABDRUSHIN. If you examine the Grail Message with your spirit, you will recognise the identity of the author and from where he draws what he says. "By their works, ye shall know them" The taste of the pudding lies in the eating. Find time to examine it and you can draw your conclusions. I know who the author of the Grail Message is. That is personal to me and any genuine seeker will without any persons help recognise the identity of the author.

I have examined the Grail Message for over two decades and it has answered all questions. It is a revelation of the eternal Truth. Thanks and stay blessed.

@m_nwankwo
Thanx for the response but you haven't answered my questions. Besides how come that if it the real truth most people don't recognize it as the truth even when they read it as you claim? Also the credentials of the author and his source of inspiration is critical to determine if he is telling the truth. You avoided answering this points. Abi you are not confident of him enough to share his truth with us??

KunleOshob:

@justcool/m_nwankwo

So how do you know that the grail message is the truth apart from the rational that it makes sense? How are we sure it is not the work of a very intelligent man postulatting logical answers to questions religions don't answer properly or issues that confuse us? what is the source of the writer's inspiration? Personally i haven't read the grail message and i won't critisize it, but i know someone who said that he ended up having more questions than answes after reading the book.

@ KunleOshob
Thanks for your questions. I felt happy reading your post, especially the highlighted part.

KunleOshob:

@m_nwankwo
Thanx for the response but you haven't answered my questions. Besides how come that if it the real truth most people don't recognize it as the truth even when they read it as you claim? Also the credentials of the author and his source of inspiration is critical to determine if he is telling the truth. You avoided answering this points. Abi you are not confident of him enough to share his truth with us??

I agree with m-nwankwo's response but from your post above I can see that you need more clarification. m-nwankwo approached the issue from the spiritual perspective, and in an all embracing manner. Perhaps you are looking for a scientific answer, since today people only listen to science.  Therefore let’s approach the issue scientifically.

Your question is "how do you know that the grail message is the truth apart from the rational that it makes sense?" and "what is the source of the writer's inspiration?"
The scientific way to discover the Truth is through the scientific method. The bedrock of scientific method is that "Theory Must Agree With Reality." Thus any hypotheses or theory that does not agree with reality cannot be certified a scientific fact or truth. Although one should not use science, which is limited only to physical things to judge spiritual things but for the sake of finding the Truth let us put the Grail message under scientific scrutiny.

In all religious books certain things that cannot be explained are covered with the veil- blind faith. Whenever the explanations deviates from the Truth around us (the Truth in nature), the readers are told to accept it as a mystery of God. Thus accept it blindly with faith. Thus you cannot put any religious book under scientific scrutiny because some of the things in them (the religious books) do not agree with reality. Even when they talk of earthly things, things within the realm of science, they still do not agree with reality.
Example: a donkey talking, Mary getting pregnant without sexual intercourse with a humanbieng and etc
Such stories do not agree with reality and can never be accepted by science. Thus one can safely say that the religious books do not contain the whole Truth. Even if the spiritual parts of the book are true, the physical parts are not true because they do not agree with the reality around us. Hence those religious books do not contain the eternal Truth, which is true in all things, from spiritual to physical. We know that in the physical world a donkey can never talk; neither can a woman get pregnant without sexual conception, except in in-vitro fert, which was not yet invented at the time of Marry. At best we can say that the religious books, scriptures, etc contain the truth in parts but not the eternal Truth which can never be in parts

Only the Grail message, in Its explanations lives up to the notion that "Theory Must Agree With Reality." All the explanations in the Grail message agree with reality. And the Grail message does not require blind faith. It urges the reader to weigh and examine everything, and compare it with the reality around him/her. Thus the explanations in the Grail Message concerning physical things all agree with the physical reality around us. Thus one can logically conclude that this is the Truth, since the Truth in It extends to physical things. The Truth is the Truth, even in physical things. The Physical world follows strict and unchangeable laws which science have observed.

And the explanations in the Grail Message that deals with the non-physical things also follow the same straight logic that is found in the explanation of physical things. In the explanation we see the same unchangeable laws that operate in the physical things, also operating in the spiritual realm. There is no arbitrariness, everything in creation is explained in all its naturalness, and the same laws that we see in physical worlds also uphold the spiritual worlds. Since these laws originated from the creator, it should be found in all parts of the creator’s works.

Besides we have a part of the spiritual world in us, i.e. our innermost core (our spirits) Having originated from the spiritual world, it carries slumbering within it, the memories of the spiritual world (broadly speaking). People, who have not buried their spirits within them, easily recognize that the Truth in the Grail Message agrees with the spiritual reality in them.

Another way that science uses in finding the Truth is, "Test." Under the right conditions, the theory must always work. Thus whenever the theory is tested under the right conditions it must work. Example: the law of gravity whenever tested always works! All the things in the Grail message that I have applied have worked each time without fail. I have applied the laws of reciprocal action: "What ever a man sows, that he shall reap!" I applied it physically by literally sowing corn in a farm, and I reaped corn. I applied it spiritually by being charitable, and I reaped charity!
This is another Test that the Grail message lived up to.

The fact that not everybody who reads the Grail Message reorganizes the Truth in it shows that some people have buried their ability to recognize the Truth, which can only be recognized with the intuitive perception (The Spirit). Some people even fail to see the strict logic in it, because apart from being spiritually slow, some people have also lost the ability to think. Even in schools, the best teacher may never be able to teach all students to get an “A.” Even though what the teacher teaches is an established truth. No matter how truthful and straightforward a theory is, there will always be people who will never get it. We see this everyday, even in this forum.

KunleOshob:

Also the credentials of the author and his source of inspiration is critical to determine if he is telling the truth. You avoided answering this points. Abi you are not confident of him enough to share his truth with us??

The writer of the Grail message did not bring Himself, He brought the Truth. Therefore one who seeks the Truth should not start by seeking the personality of the Truth bringer. “Gold is Gold even in the hands of a beggar.” Credentials are of no importance here because the ability to bring the eternal Truth is a nonphysical ability which neither university nor school can ever give. It is simply God given. Similar questions were asked to the Son of God Jesus: “was he not just a carpenter or a carpenter’s son?” “Under whose authority does he speak,” and “can anything good come out of Nazareth?”
His credentials lies in the words that He brought. The words should be examined and if found wanting, should be thrown away irrespective of who brought it; but, if found to be the Truth, the words should be upheld and lived by.

If I propose a hypothesis, the scientific researchers will analyze my hypothesis, weigh and examine it, compare it with reality, and compare it with known scientific laws. If my hypotheses live up to all scrutiny then it becomes a scientific law, irrespective of my educational background. Remember, some of the greatest scientists ever lived did not have an impressive credentials in terms of educational background.

But when you have put the book to scrutiny and recognize the Truth in it. By living in accordance with the Truth, your spirit along with it’s perceptive abilities will grow to the extent and that you will recognize who brings the Truth. You will reconize Him and His inspiration in His work(The Grail Message) -- "By their works you shall know them." But then this recognistion will be a personal experience, just as Peter was the first to personally experience Jesus as the son of God. Peter was the first of the twelf to personally recognize God in Jesus. Then, you will also by personal experence recognize the origin of the bringer of the Truth in the Grail Message, and also His inspiration. I will not deny you this personal experence.

The Truth can only come from God, WHO is the Truth HIMSELF. Always remeber: "By their works you shall know them."

Read and experence the Grail Message. The message bears witness to It's origin and the insipiration of it's writer, only personal experencing will reveal this to you.


I hope this helps. Thanks and remain blessed.

rotimy:

[b]Re: Bible Accounts That Suggest Reincarnation.
« #29 on: December 05, 2007, 10:04 PM »

M. Okonkwo wrote the above on the thread that Justcool claimed that answered every question on re-incarnation. If not anything, I am happy that M. Okonkwo is honest. His expert views are NOT FROM THE BIBLE! It was a cooked up story from the Hindus, Buddahs and African Traditionalists- a pure cultic belief outside the Holy Bible

Please can you show me where in this thread or another that I claimed that the thread answered every question on re-incarnation.

Here is what I said:

justcool:

For those who genuinely wants to know about reincarnation. Please refer to this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-94905.0.html#msg1697718

The issue has already been discussed in this forum. There you will find mine's and m-nwankwo's perspective on the issue.

The Grail Message answered all questions concerning reincarnation. I and m-nwankwo are willing to offer clarifications on the issue to whoever still has questions after reading the earlier thread on reincarnation: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-94905.0.html#msg1697718

@rotimy
I don’t know what you intend to achieve by posting lies against me. I hope this clears your lie. I and m_nwankwo are still open to entertain questions on reincarnations. I never claimed that we have answered all questions and thus done on the issue. Such will discourage people from bringing their questions.
I maintain: Anybody who has questions on any issue concerning the Grail Message should bring up his/her questions.
If you said that by mistake, please next time read my post carefully.
Also, I wish to let you know that the theory of reincarnation is not alien to early Christianity. Read about the council of Nicea, and the gnostic christians. But this does not mean that I draw my explanations from the bible. I draw from the Grail Message, thus I do not agree with the bible on every issue.

@justcool
your explanation is still not satisfactory, maybe i would understand better if i get hold of a copy of the grail message and read through my self / subject it to scrutiny. Where can i get one? i stay in Lagos. But i must mention that i believe very strongly in the bible even though my views as a christian does not conform to what a lot of churches preach today and i would find it very difficult to accept any thing that contradicts the bible. I also know for a fact that the bible is incomplete as it doesn't answer all questions i expect it to answer. Even then i doubt if the Grail message would.

@KunleOshop,

KunleOshob:

@m_nwankwo
Thanx for the response but you haven't answered my questions. Besides how come that if it the real truth most people don't recognize it as the truth even when they read it as you claim? Also the credentials of the author and his source of inspiration is critical to determine if he is telling the truth. You avoided answering this points. Abi you are not confident of him enough to share his truth with us??

Hi again. I believe that I did answer your questions. I am happy the justcool has given you further clarifications. The summary of my answer is that he who wants to know the Truth should look out for the qualities of Truth in all that comes his way. I am not sure that you will dispute that omniscience, omnipotence, justice, love, immutability, perfection etc are attributes of Truth. Use these qualities of Truth as criteria for finding out the Truth. Except a man is spiritually dead, these attributes are so clear that they do not need interpretation. When a lecturer gives grade A to a student who never sat for an exam, it does not require interpretation for any normal human being to see that an act of injustice has been committed. When a murderer is set free and an innocent person is convicted, it does not require explanation for a normal human being to percieve that it is unjust.  As in these simple examples, so is it in the most complex things. Use these qualities of the Truth to scrutinize the Grail Message.

I guess what is important is what your own spirit percieves as it examines the Grail Message. The search for Truth is a personal journey. Thus what other people say or do not say is not important. To seek demands spiritual examination, it requires the faculty of the spirit. Many seek with the faculties of the brain and they will not find for the Grail Message addresses the spirit, the real man. Life experiences however compel people to bust asunder the limitations of the brain, allowing the spirit to percieve. At that time they then recognise the Grail Message which they once attacked years ago. If you have a million dolar to share, millions or even billions of people will rush for it. This is because material things are very enticing to the brain and that is what they brain can understand. If however Truth is being proclaimed, very few will show interest because the human mind, the human brain cannot understand the truth. That is why the Light will shine in darkness and darkness will not comprehend it. On thing is however certain, he who truely yearns to recognise the Truth and serve God will be led to the Grail Message even when they presently oppose it.

It is not lack of confidence that made me not to mention the identity of the author of the Grail Message. Justcool has already given you some of the reasons. The identity of the author will not affect the Grail Message or its author but will certainly affect the objectivity of the reader. And objectivity should never be compromised. Indeed the author demands it from all those who desire to examine the Grail Message. If your spirit tells you to read the Grail Message, then go ahead. As you read and have issues that you need clarification, I and justcool will be willing to offer our perceptions. If however your spirit do not want to examine it, then leave it. Stay blessed!

My Dayz . . .grail message on Nairaland? , My Lord God, i never knew people believed in this occultic groupgosh!

Please Why do u have to die the day your husband or wife dies? Like u are join together from heaven? na wa o

jkpretty:

My Dayz . . .grail message on Nairaland? , My Lord God, i never knew people believed in this occultic groupgosh!

Please Why do u have to die the day your husband or wife dies? Like u are join together from heaven? na wa o

Why do you make false accusation? How is the Grail Message an "occultic groupgosh". Where do you get the information concerning the death of husband and wife. Such impure and unholy statements are not from the Grail Message. Kindly retract your false statements or provide evidence to support your allegations. Thanks.

Abegi jo

Grail messengers

my aunty has been a grail messenger for years

yet she still comes to my house for prayers.

Wetin u pple dey yan for dia

Carry your cult comot jo!

Gamine:

Abegi jo

Grail messengers

my aunty has been a grail messenger for years

yet she still comes to my house for prayers.

Wetin u people dey yan for dia

Carry your cult comot jo!

I do not know what you mean by Grail Messengers. I answer questions on the Grail Message. The Grail Message is a book. If you have any questions , then present them. Thanks.

@m_nwankwo
what is your view or the grail message's view on UFOs and extraterrestial beings? Also what is the view on Astronomy/Astrrology? I have a lot of questions but lets start with these.

KunleOshob:

@m_nwankwo
what is your view or the grail message's view on UFOs and extraterrestial beings? Also what is the view on Astronomy/Astrrology? I have a lot of questions but lets start with these.

Hi again KunleOshop.

Your questions are loaded. I will give a concise answer. However I can go into details if it is necesssary.

1.  Most of the cases of UFO  are hoax or have scientific explanations. The cases are so varied that each must be treated alone. However let me give some general explanations in cases in which it is no hoax or have scientific explanations. In these very few cases, such individuals observed non-physical events with their non-earthly eyes, ears etc. The human spirit is the real man. This spirit have several bodies of which the earthly body is the last one. The other bodies are finer than the earthly  body and are meant for experiencing non earthly things. Each body that the spirit wears corresponds to a particular plane in which the spirit is experiencing. Thus, a spiritual body is for experiencing spiritual things, an animistic body is for experiencing animistic beings and worlds like the fairies, gnomes, salamanders etc, ethereal body for experiencing ethereal things, astral body for astral things, the physical body for physical things. Our thoughts and intuitions have forms and these forms populate worlds that are non physical. In otherwords, the expressions of mans free will form non-physical worlds with lanscapes, buildings, cars, planes etc. Indeed all the activities you see on earth are present in these invisible worlds. The worlds were generated by man using the power of God. It is the world of thought forms and voilition forms. Human souls who produce these forms are entrapped in these forms when they die. Human beings on earth who have  passions for aliens, UFOs are connected to these invincible worlds through there passion. They are also entrapped in these worlds when they die. Ocassionally, humans in physical bodies can unconsiciously open their non earthly eyes, ears and other senses and percieve these worlds. They thus see planes, suacers, space ships and "aliens" diriving them. The space ship and the aliens are just "creations" of man using the neutral power of God. Individuals who witness these non earthly events think that they do see earthly space ships, aliens etc. The reality is that they are seeing with their non physical senses. It is simliar to when you see a man that is dead. You are seeing with non earthly faculties. That is why even in these real sightings, no earthly evidence is found since the space ship and the "aliens" driving them belong to the non-invincible world of thought forms and intuition forms.

If by extraterresterial, you mean other beings apart from humans. Yes, there are uncountable beings, created by God and they occcupy worlds and carry out specific function in obedience to the will of God. Some of them are so big that they can hold our entire universe in the palm of their hands. Read the Grail Message and you will find how creation started, the various beings, their activities etc. You will also find where the spirit of man originated, where  souls of animals originated, how the universe and the galaxies were born, maintained and developed etc.

The stars are important because the consequences of our actions are channeled to us in concentrated form through the radiation of the stars. Thus stellar radiations are channels through which the consequences of our activities reaches our souls. Thus good stellar radiations channel good reciprocal actions and bad stellar radiations chanell bad reciprocal action. The stellar radiations do not generate the reciprocal actions, rather it is the human being that generates the reciprocal actions. Thus the weal and woe of humanity is not dependent on the stars but on each human spirit. The stars only return what we put in creation through our activities. However no human being has been gifted by God to read all steller radiations from all stars. Most importantly, no human being is so gifted as to determine the precise spiritual maturity of the soul. Thus only he who knows all the stars in our world and other worlds and knows the precise maturity of each soul can make predictions of world events with mathematical exactitude. There is no creature endowed with this ability. Only God fufills these conditions. Thus predictions made by creatures by observing the stars will be deficient since they have limited understanding of stellar radiations and the maturity of the human soul. There is a lecture on Astrology in the Grail Message. You will find all you need to know in that lecture. Thanks and stay blessed.

I used to doubt the existence of UFOs/Extra terrestals until recently when i did some extensive research on it. I discovered UFO sightings are not a recent phenomena and they have been sighted for thousands of years, some ancient religions are actually thought o have originated from interactions with these beings, i also came across ancient paintings and artifacts that proved their existence, were as i do not wan to deviate from the original topic of ( the truth of the grail message) i believe some answers lie in this UFO/Alien phenomena and The truth most be able to provide some explanation for this. Your explanation of UFO is far from the reality on ground. You may wish to visit this site for a start i found a lot of answers in it. http://www.bibleufo.com/

Where can i get a copy of "THE GRAIL MESSAGE"? as i said i stay in Lagos.